/vr/ - Retro Games

Mario vs DK GBA
Conker Live

>>4915142
>Conker Live
is my memory failing me or was that game shit in both single an multi?

>>4915121
Don’t like that you can use first person in “normal” mode, it makes the ocelot fight way too easy. Also don’t like the new boss music, the regular alert/danger music was great for the bosses. Voice actor swaps are weird, too, and snake’s mouth looks derpy in every scene he talks in. It’s still a good game but it’s inferior in every way but graphics to the original imo.

>>4915142
>Mario vs DK GBA
What’s it a remake of? I wish the DS sequels had the same gameplay instead of touch screen mini shenanigans

underrated because of how many people rage and shit on them

>>4915147
It was better in both, and only kiddies who think one or two uncensored words makes the n64 one exponentially better, as if the script is any more funny
different art style is just preference
case could be made for 64 multiplayer

>>4915162
youre right i was thinking reboot and even that im unsure of

>>4915197
Literally the only people that rage about them is the insane "Pokemon gen 1 was my childhood and everything that was released after that is cancer" crazies, and they don't really count.

>>4915197
>Can't evolve Golbat into Crobat until after gaining the National Pokedex

Nah it's shit.

>>4915162
>Don’t like that you can use first person in “normal” mode, it makes the ocelot fight way too easy.
You could always just, like, not use it, my dude.

>It’s still a good game but it’s inferior in every way but graphics to the original imo.
Nah, TTS is better,

>>4915493
The game was meant to provide a modernized representation of the gameplay of the originals. In that case, it makes sense that they would block of Crobat and Johto/Hoenn mons until later.

>>4915121
The soundtrack is half of what makes MGS1 such a classic and it went from a handful of iconic tracks to a huge amount of barely noticeable tracks

>>4915197
These along with original Gen 2 are my favorite Pokemon games.

>>4915150
The spritework of the DS remake is too good to miss out on compared to the PSX level models in the PS2 version

>>4915150
>>4915564
I still think the snes version is best. Ps2 version looks ugly and the ds version has an awful translation.

>>4915515
Wrong!

>>4915121
That remake sucks though. They changed all the fun dialogue and then let you always aim in first person which completely breaks the level design.

It's literally the poster child for how to fuck up a remake.

>>4915493
Is that a joke?

>>4915662
>awful translation
4's really overdid it with the turning accents into text thing but it wasn't that bad in 5 or 6, except for the final boss of 5

>>4915515
Awful because SMB1 and Lost Levels both look and play inferior to the originals.

>>4915197
I like the nuzlocke hack.

>>4915121
I'm a MGSfag, and the remake sucks in almost all areas.

>>4915515
Doesn't one of them have broken jump physics?

>>4916170
Except for the fact that it's better than the original in every way except music.

Nobody ever seems to bring up Bionic Commando Rearmed when talking about remakes, it's great.

>>4916201

You smell of underage that played the remake first.

>>4915162
>It’s still a good game but it’s inferior in every way but graphics to the original imo
I played TTS first so I have a soft spot for it but this is pretty accurate. It's a cool novelty but when I replay the MGS series, it's the PS1 version I play.

>>4916174
SMB1 reacts differently to Mario hitting a ceiling while moving than the original. That's all I'm aware of

>>4915142
Mario Vs. Donkey Kong isn't a remake, it was a sequel/spiritual successor to DK94.

bretty good

best version of classic RE1 (haven't played REmake yet)

>>4916215
>>4916209
>>4916201
>>4916170
TTS is a better game in every way. Its MGS with the MGS2 engine and updated cutscenes. How can you possibly defend the original? Just don't use FP aiming if you think it makes the game too easy.

>>4916363
This looks like shit compared to the original. Is it actually good?

>>4916434
>updated cutscenes
Yeah just like how every movie remake is better than the original right... I mean it's higher resolution and has more modern special effects so it must automatically be better!

>>4916363
my favorite part is how they just removed the japanese voice acting from the game without adding new voices and obviously crossed out the option in the menu for it. fucking brilliant.

How are the SaGa remakes for DS?

>>4916209
Not even close dude. I first played MGS on a demo disc before playing it in 2000. I love the shit out of the series. The only people who prefer the original over TTS are autistic contrarians. The original has it charms of course, but TTS gave us first person aiming which revolutionized 2 and 3. 2 and 3 would have been mediocre in terms of gameplay without first person. TTS corrected this. The only reason first person wasn't in the original is because it couldn't handle it. Get over yourself you pretentious autistic contrarian.

>>4916559
I thought PSX MGS had first-person view? So it definitely wasn't due to hardware limitations.

>>4916559
So it's revolutionary solely because of first-person aiming but also you can't criticize it for first-person aiming because you don't HAVE to use it. Ok

>>4916434
>updated cutscenes
https://youtu.be/_wRFNeGCsrk?t=18s
I'm not sure that's a positive

>>4916559
>my opinion is everyone's default opinion, and anyone against it is a contrarian

Pretty sure you've seen the word thrown around this board and decided to use in the wrong context. It's a widely known fact that the remake isn't as good as the original, even normalfags agree on that. Kill yourself, negro.
>>4916434
Remakes always lose something compared to the originals. Even RE Remake which i'd argue is the template for every remake ever does that.

>voice acting is worse
>soundtrack is worse
>really tryhard fight scenes right out of the matrix
>engine doesn't match with level and enemy design

JUST DON'T USE THE BUILT IN MECHANIC DUDE XD. Nah, it doesn't work like that.

Oh but it uses a more modern engine, it looks better, so it's automatically a better experience, right? You sound like a """""modern gamer""""". Bet you loved the slow motion spinning kicks and bullet time, huh?

>>4916350
You didn't play the best version then

>>4916602
>widely known fact
Lol okay kid

>>4915121
technically its not a remake since you are playing as Raiden who is playing as Snake in a simulation that was eluded to in MGS2 which was also a simulation

>>4916626
>MGS2 which was also a simulation
You fell asleep about half an hour from the end if you believe this.

>>4916629
then why does the floor during the RAYs fight look exactly the same as the floor during the VR missions

>>4916637
If it's a simulation then how do Snake and Otacon recognize Raiden in MGS4? They would have never actually met him.

>>4916647
no idea
probably because to Kojima's surprise people actually liked Raiden?

>>4916651
Then how is it people know about the Big Shell incident? Why is the salvaged Arsenal Gear real? How come there are recovered Metal Gear RAYs? Why is Vamp around? Why is Olga dead? Why is Solidus dead? Why does Sunny have a Patriot killswitch? How the fuck does anyone even know about the Patriots? How'd E.E. die? Why do Snake and Otacon know about GW and the other AIs?

>>4916629
>>4916637
>>4916647
>>4916651
>>4916658

Dumbasses. You clearly missed the point of MGS2. It was also made to have no sequel whatsoever. MGS4 ruined 2's point, and also retconned a shit ton of stuff. There's a reason it doesn't make sense.

>>4916667
Sure sure, or 2 happens as presented and everything makes sense.

>>4916703

>imagine being this much of a simpleton

It retains the voice acting from the original release. It's retro because it's from before console games had updates/DLC, which is the most logical cutoff.

>>4916719
>I can't prove my claim so I'll just ad hominem
Cool.

>>4916838

To actually believe that MGS2 is to be taken literally, you either haven't played it or are beyond help.

>>4916703
This anon is correct, other posters are trying to pull a “squall was dead after disc 1” type bullshit

Remakes aren't allowed here anymore, sadly.

>>4916852

Yes. So is Silent Hill 2 as well, right? Fuck it, movies too. The Shining and Matrix, are also straightforward literal narratives.

What the fuck is a metaphor anyway, right?

>>4916860
I just ignore the guy who does it for free. One click is all it takes to circumvent a ban.

i liked it

>>4915147
Don't know about multi, but singleplayer is undeniably better on the Xbox. Not only are the graphics amazing (that fur effect) but the controls are better overall.

>>4916518
The West was not ready for a voice acted Wild Arms. But by 4... we still weren't ready because that game is cheesy. BUT BY 5, by 5 we were ready!

>>4915515
This one is not underrated, it's still hailed as one of the best remake packs around. Most people complaining about the jump physics on 1/LL only learned about it through the internet, probably the ones that first noticed it were speedrunners.
That said, as much as I love All-Stars and think it's a great package, in some ways I do feel that the original is better, or at least, I feel the original still has its own charm. In that way, while it's cool to play a NES Mario game on SNES with more detailed graphics and stuff, but some of my nitpicks:
SMB3 on SNES changed some of the unique backgrounds from SMB3 with more generic stuff. But only in some places, like underground caves, or the missing transparent item icons on the sky (I always liked that detail a lot on the original, very surreal). It still added a bunch of new graphic assets that look nice though.
I like SMB1 overall, added some really nice backgrounds, but Lost Levels was lazy, using the same assets from SMB1, while the original japanese SMB2 had completely new tilesets (rocky floors instead of blocks, different clouds and bushes, etc).
SMB2 is the one that got the best treatment IMO, beautiful backgrounds, super densely colored, no complaints from this one except that I think one of the bosses was removed (and replaced by repeating another one).
All in all though, still great. Despite my nitpicks it still feels like remakes done right.

>>4916667
>There's a reason it doesn't make sense.
What? It's only thanks to MGS4's retcon that 2 makes even the slightest amount of sense.

>>4916807
I don't follow current gaming news so it's the first time I'm hearing about that.

Thanks, anon! Going to have a blast replaying it.

>>4917072
The original is Japan-only.

>>4917070
How so? 4 had little direction as it lost its co-lead writer

>>4916807
>It's retro because it's from before console games had updates/DLC
Nice try faggot. Plus it's not even out yet, so you can't even say for certain it wont ruin something.

>>4916350
Directors Cut is the best version of RE1.

REmake should be considered it's own entity as it's almost completely different

>>4917291
That's not a remake, though. It did itself get an HD remaster but the engine isn't the same as Tekken 3 in some pretty fundamental ways.

>>4916207
Sequel wasn't bad either, not great but it was fun.

>>4915162
>Don’t like that you can use first person in “normal” mode, it makes the ocelot fight way too easy.
First person makes the whole game much easier; it's almost broken. I still prefer it because I like having a lot of different options for approaching a situation, but you can go around 1-tapping dudes left and right.

>>4915497
>just don’t use a game breaking feature that was prominently featured
If you have to self-impose rules to make a game challenging, it’s shit

>>4916598
In all fairness, the part where Ocelot drops his gun trying to twirl it with his non-dominant hand was pretty great. It doesn't make up for all the ridiculous Matrix backflips, but it made me smile.

>>4917067
>probably the ones that first noticed it were speedrunners
Nah, I noticed it back in the 90s. I love All-Stars, but the difference is instantly noticeable if you grew up with the originals.

>SMB2 is the one that got the best treatment IMO
Totally agree. The shimmering ice background in World 4 is my favorite.

>SMB3 on SNES changed some of the unique backgrounds
The one that always bugged me the most was that every airship in All-Stars was the same color.

>>4917383
Anon, it's a PS2 remake of a 1999 Arcade game that ran on Namco System 12, a Playstation-based arcade board.

>>4917428
>It doesn't make up for all the ridiculous Matrix backflips,
those were funny too tho

stop taking mgs so serious, konami games are supposed to have comedic relief

>>4917475
That board was more advanced than a Playstation board, it was a prototype PS2 board. It's called a port, by the way, not a remake.

>>4917518
Not him and they were kind of funny, but in an action game It's real tedious to have to sit and watch a cut scene of another character doing crazy looking fun shit that you as the player never get to do.

>>4917582
Since the TTT board is retro, does that make the PS2 retro by proxy?

>>4917602
>I like the older games
>oh shit bro like PS2?
>exactly like that. San Andreas, now that's a game

>>4917629
Fuck off.

>>4917413
You're a fucking retard dude. The Ocelot fight was "harder" in the original because of how underpowered the Playstation was (there would have been first person if it could support it). The natural progression was to add first person mode and we got it in 2 and 3 and the series was better off for it. The only reason that Ocelet was "hard" in the ps1 version was because half the fucking time you couldn't see him and we just locking on and trying to shoot him like a blind retard. That's shit gameplay you autistic fuck.

>>4917867
Not him but first person aiming completely breaks the game. The Ocelot fight is just one example but the whole thing is designed around your field of view. Giving you that ability from the start but not re-designing the levels so the whole game isn't a joke is one of the myriad reasons it's one of the worst remakes of all time.

>>4915559
Gen 2 was fucking perfect.

>>4916350
One huge problem though

>it's on Nintendo DS

>>4917298
Hell yes this. Objectively the best DoA hands down.

>>4918128
>the worst remakes of all time.
dat hypèrbole.
Not the anon you were discussing with but I see TTS as a cool remake of MGS1 that let you play with MGS2 gameplay, meaning you can also do more crazy shit with the guards and what not.
Never understood the hate it gets. As a fan of MGS1, TTS was a treat. It's not like I can't play the original anymore if I want "muh original VA" (which I agree it's better, but I also like that the full case came back for TTS, it's nice to have another version by the same people), and "muh fair Ocelot fight", I can always play the original, in fact I did some months ago. Doesn't mean I can't also enjoy TTS, it's a fine remake.

>>4916676
>REmake

>>4918162
I guess we can disagree, but it makes it into a game where stealth and sneaking are no longer all that necessary at all. I don't hate everything about it, but I can't think of another remake that destroys the core gameplay of something that badly.

>>4916873
The card thing was stupid. The new guys were cool, the leveling enemies was neat. Overall worse than the Genesis one I think but it was fun.

>>4918226
>destroys the core gameplay
lol

>>4918249
It does though. It's a stealth sneaking game that was designed around your field of view. So when they let you shoot guards in first person right from the start of the game without changing anything up it makes the whole thing a cakewalk. It utterly confounds me that someone could claim to be a fan of Metal Gear but not care about that. Enjoy doing all that crazy shit to the guards if you like, I still hold it up as the pinnacle of terrible remakes.

>>4918272
do you think the same about mgs2 and 3?

>>4918272
>It utterly confounds me that someone could claim to be a fan of Metal Gear but not care about that. Enjoy doing all that crazy shit to the guards if you like
The one you're replaying now wasn't me (>>4918162).
Anyway, you can play the game without using the first person camera. I enjoy having a remake that lets me do MORE stuff than the original game, even if that "breaks" the design of the game. I still think it's kind of exaggerated though, like calling it one of the worst remakes of all time just because of things like that... there's much worse remakes out there.

>old game gets a remake
>its horrible

>>4918291
No because those games had the levels designed with first person shooting in mind. 2 is solid, 3 is my favorite metal gear.

>>4918292
I guess we just disagree.

>>4918406
So basically you're just crying about having the option to use first person perspective.

>>4918469
I would hardly say crying, but I think remaking a game and then giving the player an ability that breaks how the original was designed and makes it piss easy is a shame.

>>4918480
I mean, it's not like the original is popular because of its difficulty.

>>4918481
Well other people can love breezing through Twin Snakes if they like, it's still a joke to me.

>>4918487

>>4918406
>No because those games had the levels designed with first person shooting in mind. 2 is solid, 3 is my favorite metal gear.
I really, really doubt that. I've played the fuck out of MGS2 and you can literally run around popping heads, even on extreme, ammo permitting. Haven't played 3 on extreme yet tho so can't comment about that one but I suspect it is the same, at least on hard.

>>4918493
What would I even be mad about? The original is still awesome. That they made a remake that ended up being a turd isn't upsetting. It's kinda funny if anything.

>>4918605
Lol

>>4917582
>That board was more advanced than a Playstation board
Yes. And still retro. 1996 board, 1999 game. Absolutely retro.

>it was a prototype PS2 board
Not anywhere close. It's just a faster Playstation.

> It's called a port, by the way, not a remake.
It's both. The game was ported to PS2 but was remade, like Soul Calibur was when ported to Dreamcast.

>>4916598
Matrix was a mistake.

>>4915685
No, really, you can't until beating most of the postgame.

>>4915197
Much better than the originals, agreed. I just wish they thought things through with evolutions. It really is the only glaring issue in an otherwise great game.
Locking evolutions before an arbitrary point in the game is poor design. And I don't believe there's any way to get Espeon or Umbreon at all because it's the only Generation 3 game without a clock.

>>4919108
Of course. You shouldn't be able to because it's a remake of the first game. That's why I thought you were joking. It would be ridiculous to assume you'd be able to make a Crobat early on.

>>4919003
I never said it wasn't retro. You're clearly just spoiling for a fight when you posted that as I already mentioned that it got an HD remaster, so I guess well done, troll successful.

>>4919224
They shouldn't have let you get non-gen1 pokemon in the main part of the game though.

Saying "it's still a good experience if you choose not to use this feature!" is like saying "it's still a great movie if you don't watch how it ends!"

New people come into Twin Snakes not knowing what was original and what was new and have their experience cheapened as a result. Being able to do a self imposed challenge to make it more like the original doesn't mean it contains the original experience.

FF II remake is my favorite FF. Best characters and a of of freedom

When I played twin snakes I didn't know there was a first person aiming mode and played the whole game without it.

>>4919003
Man, you think it would somehow be possible to port it to PS1 or at least shift some of the new assets into a Tekken 3 mod?

Not sure this is remake or reboot but i like it.

>>4918143
You're a faggot

>Twin snakes
>Underrated
If anything, it was overrated as fuck. Faggots who were too scared to play the original played this game, and faggots who hated the Gamecube for no reason some how called it "One of the only good GCN games"

>>4915521
blegh, really? Everything about this game just sucks.

>>4915121
As much shit as people give Twin Snakes, being able to instantly change the PAL key to frozen and hot from Metal Gear Rex's room if you know what to do was the one biggest improvement over MGS1.

>>4916598
I like to think Twin Snakes is MGS1 from Otacon's perspective.

More of a reimagining but it still counts
>>4916557
The remake for 2 is pretty good. Adds some extra depth to the combat and some new areas/bosses.
I believe it's generally agreed upon that the remake for 3 is the definitive version and actually makes it into a SaGa game

>>4920315

You must be the only person in the universe to do so. Now that's a contrarian.

>>4920516
>being able to instantly change the PAL key to frozen and hot from Metal Gear Rex's room if you know what to do was the one biggest improvement over MGS1

And skip the plot twis....nah you're right, there is really no point in listening to codecs since they can't compare to the originals anyway.

>>4920227
Yes. But the graphics would have to be heavily downgraded to keep the Tag mechanics.

>>4918296
>graphics already confirmed generic mobile game-like shit
Oh well at least the music will probably be correct.

>>4920315
It represents everything wrong with that "3D = Cool" thing they had going on in the 2000s, not saying your opinion is bad just saying that it surprises me that it's even getting mentioned at all.

>new secret areas making levels larger
>new boss fights
>redesigned stage 5', better designed than the original
>new final form for Dracula, making it actually challenging
>a shit-ton of hidden items to find
>customizable soundtrack (can select from original Rondo, remake arrange, and SOTN)
>boss rush mode with co-op multiplayer or single player
>as an extra, the original PCE Rondo, and the best version of SOTN

>>4921357
>Oh well at least the music will probably be correct.
nah they are fucking that one up especially

>>4920227
Absolutely not. Namco didn't even attempt to bring TTT to PS1 despite the port of T3 being easy for them. By that time they had learned to push System 12 to its technical limits, which were beyond what a PS1 could realistically accomplish.

>>4921374
All that and they throw in sotn just because. It's a damn fine collection. I wish the graphics in the remake were better but that's a small thing.

>>4921374
Spend so many hours on this one, already liked Castlevania but this one sold me any game related to it, makes me wish more remakes respected the consumer this much.

>>4921332
>keep the Tag mechanics

I wasn't planning on keeping them, just adding the existing assets over so as to make an enhanced Tekken 3 special edition, you can't realistically fit all that tag stuff in RAM.

>>4921443
As I said TTT may not be possible, but the extra costumes/stages and characters sure can?

>read through thread
>one guy desperately shitflinging and crying and posting 50 times that other people don’t worship the twin snakes
Jesus dude relax

>>4921451
>All that and they throw in sotn just because

It's called the Dracula X collection, SOTN is basically Dracula X 2.

>>4917867
>sponge bob reaction image
I have to thank your brainlets for always making it so easy for us to spot you. Bravo.

>>4918128
>first person aiming completely breaks the game. The Ocelot fight is just one example
Even gaming journalist at the time pointed this fact out. Imagine being more stupid than a gaming journalist LMAO

>>4918406
>>4918272
>No because those games had the levels designed with first person shooting in mind.
This. It's like going back to a game and adding jumping or aim down sights to a game that did not originally have it. Shit ruins the balancing and feels completely out of place.

>>4921510
There's one troll but there's also other people giving reasons as to why tts isn't "one of the worst remakes of all time". I don't love it, but it's an okay way to replay through the mgs1 story in a different way. As I said I enjoyed fucking around with different ways of stealth and guard manipulation thanks to mgs2 mechanics. mgs games I don't play for their difficulty. They are more comfy kinda game for me.

>>4918616
>>4918493
>>4918469
>>4918249
>>4917867
I can't wait for summer to end.

>>4915197
this.
Replayed pokemon red GB a month ago and completed the 151 pikedex with a friend. These games are SO flawed, they deserved a better, well-balanced remake.

>>4918143
Are you refering to the controls or the fact that nds is not retro?
>not retro
This thread is about retro games remakes on mire modern consoles
>controls
Explain how the controls are worse than the ps1 controls (no dualshock, I mean real ps1 controllers).
>resolution
Same as ps1 basically

>>4918616
>>4918493
>>4918469

>>4921638
I am the one saying it's one if the worst remakes ever, and I stick by it. But you don't have to agree. Personally though I still can't think of another remake that borked the core gameplay as badly as twon snakes. The Lunar 2 remake is close to as bad but not quite in my opinion.

>>4921730
>le shrek cringe meme

>>4922036
says the summerfag

>>4922048
nice projection

>>4922056
no u

>>4922036
>>4922048
>>4922056
>>4922057
You're both acting like dipshits.

>>4922023
I can easily thing of many other remakes that would fit the "worst of all time" at least better than TTS.
That TMNT TiT remake for PS2 comes to mind.

>>4922376
I can only speak for what I've played. I'm sure worse ones exist but it's always been funny to me how hard ts dropped the ball.

>>4919592
>"it's still a great movie if you don't watch how it ends!"
That's not a good analogy.
It'd be as if a movie gets a new edition with new optional camera angles, but you can still watch the original angles if you want.

>>4922470
The best analogy is a movie gets a new edition with additional camera angles where you can see boom mics, lights and other cameras.

Ohh yeah and where they dub over the original performances with much more boring ones lol.

>>4915121
>Twin snakes underrated ?
Are you serious?

>>4922631
Yes. Most people shit on it (usually Sonyfags), despite it having better qualities than the original in certain aspects.

>>4922650
lol

>>4922631
Just read through this thread. A few anons tried to make sense by saying hey, TTS isn't that bad, it's a remake of the original with some new stuff, but there's always people insisting that because you have the option to aim in first person, it's a total disaster OMG how can it be so bad, how did they dare to include first person camera and make the game easy! (as if the original was famous because of being hard).
I'd be inclined to think that yes, many PlayStation fans were furious that Nintendo got an exclusive remake of MGS1, especially in the early days of 6th gen, the Sony vs Nintendo wars were heated, Sony had already obilerated Sega and Xbox didn't seem like a threat yet, so Sony fanboys' main objective was Nintendo.
Console wars.... console wars ever change.

>>4923048
console war faggotry is the cancer of vidya discussion to be honest, from the little shits on the playground spouting about blast processing to the retards on /v/ posting dumbass wojak variants

>>4920516
>I like to think Twin Snakes is MGS1 from Otacon's perspective.
wasn't there something in MGS2 that sort of confirmed that TTS was Raiden's Shadow Moses VR sim?

>>4915521
I strongly disagree. It's on level.

>>4917374
Agreed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1YwYD1YUvY

>>4923095
Maybe its all the flips Snake does in TTS

>>4923095
how can mgs2 confirm something that didn't exist yet, unless kojima planned a mgs remake that was actually just a simulation

>>4923095
>>4923189
Kojima pretty much came out himself that Twin Snakes is actually the VR sim for soldiers, thus is one of the reasons why it never gets remastered, that on top of it being made by a now defunct game development studio

I used to think 6th discussions wouldn't hurt /vr/ significantly. I now thank you guys for proving me wrong.

>>4925002
>Kojima pretty much came out himself that Twin Snakes is actually the VR sim for soldiers

I'll take things that never happened for $40

>>4925002
>>4923095
That's Ghost Babel.

>>4925013
This isn't even a 0,5% of what real 6th gen console war would be like.

>>4921374
Are SoTN and Rondo on PSP being emulated or are they genuine native ports?

>>4925067
I believe they are emulated, although maybe SOTN is actually a port since it has a lot of new stuff, namely Maria (who is different from the Saturn Maria).
I forgot to mention, on top of all that, it also includes "Dracula X Peke", the mini-game of sorts that appears when you put the Rondo CD on a PC Engine without the correct card.

>>4925067
Probably the latter, both of them. They share many assets and I remember SOTN having no slowdowns that would occur on PS1.

>>4915121
probably one of my favorite metal gear games but i can get how adding in FPS aiming makes it much easier. at least psycho mantis disables it.

but complaining about the cutscenes is retarded.

>>4927068
Why? The acting is all much more dull and most of the fun lines were changed or removed. It's not as bad as the aiming thing but it's still a big step down from the original

>>4917582
>remade from the ground up using a completely new engine
>that's a port, not a remake
???

>>4915197
Only genwunners complain, and genwunners aren't people.

>>4916350
REmake is good, try it out.

>>4916873
I liked it for the nicer graphics and redone soundtrack. Didn't much bother with the cards.

>>4927279
gentrheeders are even worse though. Let's keep that in mind.

>>4915121
I feel trolled into oblivion just reading this shit.

>>4922650
>(usually Sonyfags)
Leave the fucking console wars out of this, come on. Dude, come on.

>>4923048
>I'd be inclined to think that yes, many PlayStation fans were furious that Nintendo got an exclusive remake of MGS1
How fucking dare you be so fucking arrogant about your opinion, so fucking blind to the opposition that you go as far as to deny them their gripes with the game they stated. You are being completely delusional and reality denying in your clinging to this idea that TTS is so flawless and so much of an improvement that the only reason anybody could pretend(!) to dislike it is because of console wars bullshit. The amount of close minded idiocy it takes to genuinely hold such a position astounds me, but I will not simply dismiss you as a troll because I have face the reality that there might really be people as infinitely stupid as you.

>>4927068
>but complaining about the cutscenes is retarded
No it's not. One of the most legitimate criticisms against all MGS games is that they are more like interactive movies than actual video games because they are so cutscene heavy. If you don't care about the cutscenes, you can barely call yourself a MGS fan. Presentation is a huge deal with the series, it's an integral part of the experience.

Best thing about TSS is that it makes all cutscenes skippable which is ideal for speedrunning the games.

>>4929540
>How fucking dare you be so fucking arrogant about your opinion
It's not an opinion. I just happen to remember the bitterness from PlayStation fanboys when Gamecube got deals like Resident Evil remake and TTS. I mean, it's not like Sony fans are the only ones guilty of this anyway, but it's a thing that happens.
>this idea that TTS is so flawless and so much of an improvement that the only reason anybody could pretend(!) to dislike it
Please show me where anyone said that TTS is flawless. I myself gave my reasons as to why I don't think it's "One of the worst remakes ever", but that doesn't mean I think it's flawless, or better than the original for that matter.

>>4929547
>Presentation is a huge deal with the series, it's an integral part of the experience.

This. I would even appreciate the over the top stuff (much like I appreciate every cutscene from MGR) if at the least the art design/OST were on point, which they're not. What I feel like looking anytime I watch TTS cutscenes is cinematic masturbation, I can't think of a better term. That's the sort of impact having drab scenery or poor pacing due to lackluster music to justify it can cause.

>>4930463
>I just happen to remember the bitterness from PlayStation fanboys when Gamecube got deals like Resident Evil remake and TTS. I mean, it's not like Sony fans are the only ones guilty of this anyway, but it's a thing that happens.

Not with legitimately good games. RE4 is widely accepted as a good game, even by those who blame it for ultimately ruining the series by turning it away from horror to action. It later came to PS2, much later, but that wasn't known right from the start and if a high amount of people would be shitting on legitimately good games because of console war bitterness, then RE4 would get a lot more hate, but it doesn't. It especially didn't back then, can't say the same for TTS.

Anyway, I'm so old that at that point in time I could afford being an idort and I already had a gamecube because of Metroid Prime and RE4. I was actually very happy that Nintendo seemed to have gotten over the lump that was the wholly disappointing N64. Gaming needs competition so I was glad the the gamecube seemed to be doing well at the time. What I was salty about MGS wise though was the bait and switch with Raiden in MGS2. That pissed me off.

Then TTS comes around and now they turned Snake into a flipping pseudo Raiden wannabe ninja. TTS fucking sucks and I definitely consider it one of the worst remakes ever. Let's go down the list.

1. Not mentioned yet but to me the most glaring and offensive change right off the bat, the color grading. The original had very cold color grading with lots of blue, some green but always with a lot of blue. The remake is very green and brown instead and with very little blue. It's horrendous and ruins the whole atmosphere.

2. Re-recorded voice acting. There was a lot of bullshit going on with the voice acting. I'm too lazy to look it up, so this might not be accurate but from what I remember they wanted to get a whole new crew except Hayter, just to save money since they obviously had re-record all of the dialog because of copyrights. Hayter put his foot down and demanded the original cast be used and even accepted less pay himself. Everybody was paid shit though and the quality really suffers. You can hear these people don't wanna do all that shit again.

3. Cut scenes. They are so fucking out of character and needlessly ridiculous. When I first played the game I just started laughing hysterically. I already hated the game because of the fucked up colors but these cut scenes were so idiotic, i almost couldn't believe it was real. The turned Snake into Raiden. Kurt Russel became Jet Li on crack. A grumpy and flat footed soldier was turned into a flippy wire-fu faggot. It's a fucking character assassination. It utterly destroys the atmosphere that the original had, which was very gritty and dramatic, and turns it into shaolin soccer. It's a bad joke, the whole game is like a practical joke from chinese clown hell. It should've been release on April fools.

4. MGS2 controls. As already mentioned, the invalidate the level design, which should have been completely redone to fit the new controls, some people would have for sure hated that even more but it's what they should've done. Aside from that though, the MGS2 controls heavily rely on the pressure sensitive PS2 controller. Shit was awkward as fuck on the gamecube controller.

5.Streamlining the gameplay. Lots of people will disagree with this but removing the forced backtracking further hurt the game, although the damage was already done at that point by the other factors. Having to backtrack in the original gave you some time to reflect upon the story and also feel a sense of loneliness and desperation, which I thought was very impactful, especially during my first playthrough of the original. I usually dislike backtracking but I thought it was used very well in MGS.

6. Music. Again, the presentation was so much of what made MGS special. The remake wasn't special, it was especially shitty. The horrible new music just further drags this shitpile of a game down even further.

All in all, there are no redeeming qualities to TTS. It's a complete disappointment and misunderstanding or simply failure to replicate the source material. Truly one of the worst, if not the worst remake of a game ever created. No hyperbole, just my humble opinion.

>Please show me where anyone said that TTS is flawless. I myself gave my reasons as to why I don't think it's "One of the worst remakes ever", but that doesn't mean I think it's flawless
You didn't mention any flaws it had. Let's hear it then, what flaws did you find with the game?

What you gave was a dismissal of one argument, MGS2 controls make it too easy, by simply making the claim that it is "not that bad" and that "MGS wasn't known for being difficult anyway", which is a crock of shit by the way. Lots of people tried the guns blazing approach and then whined as they were punished for it, stealth games weren't a big thing before MGS came along. Also, the higher difficulties, are pretty damn tough and unforgiving and that is definitely part of the MGS reputation. Then you offered up another dismissal of any all other criticisms of the game as nothing but bitterness and bullshit from Sony fanboys.

>>4930810
>The remake is very grey and brown

fix'd

Seriously, every interior looks like it's been plastered with a smog filter.

>>4930949
>grey

That's really just lack of blue. The original had some green too but it also had a lot of blue. The remake had almost no blue, way too much green and more brown. It's definitely to much green though.

Pic related is nothing but fucking green where it really doesn't belong.

>>4930969
>>4930949
This is how the area looked in the original.

Another example for good measure. Here is the green remake version.

And here is the original without the green tint.

>>4916350
Think about buying this soon. Got into speed run RE 1 DC on emulation (both PSX and OG on Saturn). Outside of the gimmicky touch screen knife---how does it hold up? Original soundtrack or Analog DC score? Graphics as sharp as the PC version (which is surprisingly playable on modern machines thanks to the thriving community and the Sourcenext versions).

>>4930992
>Those fucking distorted polygons HELP the scene instead of runing it
how!

>>4931008
Shit b8 idiot

the redesigns were a mistake

>>4916559
>>4916434
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IimjoFyUktY

>PSX
>Actors genuinely emote and ACT according to the immediacy and stress of the situation the characters are in
>The echo of the voices reflects them fighting/speaking in a gigantic hangar
>The soundtrack fitting with the emotional weight of the speech, complimenting it.
>Grey Fox remains in character even when getting an arm sliced off (it's established in the Otacon fight, that only Snake's punches bring Fox any semblance of a sensation in combat)
>character movement is concise, to the point, and timelessly poignant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y49drgdU4_Y

>GC Remake
>Actors speak to one another like they're casually chatting while having the mid day tea, not minding the nuclear-equipped, bipedal monstrosity in their presence.
>Sound quality is overprocessed and sounds like the audio director just pasted the raw recording track onto the game
>Grey Fox yelps like a little bitch when his arm is sliced off
>Character models behave like 6yr olds with 2 kilos worth of sugar injected into them, turbo-sperging for LE EBIN MATRIX EXTREME AKSHUN xdDDDD

Literally the only one who sounds as jolly as ever is Cam Clarke, but that's because he, as Sheev Palpatine, just relish so much on being evil, you can't help but love the guy.

tl;dr kys you stupid faggot cocksucker niggershit motherfucker zoomer scum lowlife piece of shit jabroni.

>>4932003
Reminds me of the Baker scene.
>Original
>Baker forgets Meryl's codec
>Snake is disappointed, expresses it with a "Damn."
>TTS
>Baker forgets Meryl's codec
>Snake is enraged at this, points a gun to the old man's head like an autist
What were they thinking?

>>4931402
How is the rest of the remake?