/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4867182
c65 prices on ebay are a great source of comedy for the commodore community.

> Why aren't you buying them low to sell them high later on?
because:
> im not fat neckbearded, scamming american retard
> im not a pathetic and desperate scalper

>>4867189
Yeah.

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Ultra-rare-Commodore-65-RAM-Expansion-C65-DX64-C90-prototype-working/322853882595#vi__app-cvip-panel

>>4867229
HAHAHA. wow. people are fucking stupid. what crazy amount of money.

>>4867241
Indeed.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-APPLE-LISA-1-TWIGGY-COMPUTER-COMPLETE-AND-WORKING-with-Video/182999855120

>>4867302
I refuse to believe that’s real.

>>4867332
I'm afraid it is, and that someone has given that money for that hardware. And the prices will keep rising.

>>4867338
AND they're almost certainly going to put it on a shelf and never even power it on

might not even plug it in

>>4867345
Because that's not the purpose of them. The purpose is to buy them now and sell them later at a higher price.

>>4867332
Very real. Some poor sods have them with missing unobtanium chips. The rare cdtv is a source for at least one of them if you're lucky.

because I'm not a semite lol

It doesn't look like these were actually sold, just ended.

All old tech is mega expensive right now because "le e-celeb" does a video on "ULTRA RARE NO-NAME SOUND CARD" and everything on ebay that has sound card in the title jumps up 2x in price.
>sc-55?
$200
>soundblaster cards?
$100+
>random video card or RAM for a IBM machine
$50+

the days of cheap computer software is over

>>4867182
You could buy a fucking Delorean with that much money. But no, instead you buy a computer.

>>4868501
Not happy at all about the sc-55 but were 90s sound cards a good investment before the price rise?

>>4868612
the thing about those cards is that many of them never really got emulated properly and each have their own "flavor" of sound. and when certain games favored one card over the over it was nice to have the actual card instead of a blanket soundblaster which did everything (sometimes poorly)
heck you could play DOOM with an sc-55, an sc-88, a MT32, an AWE32, a Gravis Ultrasound, and more and none of it would sound the same understandably.
today most of that is emulated decently, but if you want to build that "ultimate 1990/1989/etc rig" you will have to have the physical card, which is getting rare these days and now a 386 machine can cost you over $1k to outfit

>>4867182
I have a small warehouse full of old computers I got for free. Why would I by paying anything for more of them?

>>4868626
>and now a 386 machine can cost you over $1k to outfit

>over $1000 to outfit a 386 machine
Are you a time traveler from 1992?

>>4868727
okay maybe not that much, but if you wanted to buy that ONE sound card, that ONE video card and that ONE keyboard it could cost several hundred, and then there's the actual body, and CRT screen,

>>4868735
>that one keyboard
You can find all the PS/2 keyboards you could ever want for $5 a piece on Craigslist.

>>4868727
>>4868626
I got a 386SX from a flea market back in the early 2000s. It cost about $25.

>>4868749
Chances are it had a shit video card and no or shitty sound card.

>>4868626
It makes sense for the ones that were pretty much a synth made for the PC but didn't most games with a decent budget made after 1996 just played recordings from the CD? Of course you are going to miss a bit if the game used some alternative GM standard but it doesn't seem worth the investment (at least for mid 90s games) when software can mostly do the job these days, it's cool for preservation of the way it was intended to be heard but it feels overkill for the average player.

>>4868749
good luck now. even shitty windows 95 compaqs are almost $100

>>4868626
>heck you could play DOOM with an sc-55, an sc-88, a MT32, an AWE32, a Gravis Ultrasound, and more and none of it would sound the same understandably.

But then I would be LGR and who wants to make a bunch of shitty Youtube videos of myself playing Doom on ten different 486s?

>>4868762
or how about some fucking Dos floppies for $20

>>4868762
I'd give them $30 at most.

>>4868764
dont get me wrong i think LGRs videos are cool from a historical standpoint but man everytime he reviews <thing> that thing goes from $10 on ebay to $100

>>4868768
or even a 486 machine for $400

I don't even like Doom; it's a game I never understood the hype over.

>>4868762
I don't know how anyone that used a W95 machine back then would pay these prices, I'm not even 25 years old and I recall this shit wasn't worth anything by the beggining of the 2000s, it's like buying an overpriced calculator.

>>4868789
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1977-Commodore-2001-Series-PET-CBM-2001-32-Computer-Parts-Repair-Local-Pickup/401556917161?hash=item5d7ea84ba9:g:QTAAAOSw-htbLnMj

This is an overpriced calculator and it can't even play Doom like the W95 machine.

>>4868797
There's a lot fewer PETs around than there are Windows 95 boxes. Though I must point out that a PET 3032 is from 1979-80 and not 77.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultra-RARE-Color-PET-Commodore-P500-Computer-Tested-WORKING-PRISTINE/253689292862

>>4868810
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-e-IIe-Enhanced-Computer-System-original-boxes-disks-manual-more-1984/401300173083

>>4868813
>I am the original owner and this was my first computer. I bought it when I was 16 years old with life insurance money from my Dad's death along with money I saved up collecting recyclables. Taught myself how to use it and do software database programming. Learned from books, magazine articles (they used to be informative), trial & error, and many questions to others in the real human face-to-face network. I only took one class in high school about basic programming and the 1 required class in college on BASIC programming Got my first job at 17 in computers for a large corporation at their International & National HQ fixing IBM PC microcomputers as they removed their Apples. When I started college I moved into their macrocomputer division for a couple of years and then back to PC's. Earned enough to put myself through school, buy a new car and when I graduated a brand new home in OC . The last time I turned on the computer system about 2 years ago it is was working. I acquired an Apple ][+ about a year after buying this one and used parts from it to improve my system layout. I used both the Imagewriter Printer (included) and a Qume Daisy Wheel Printer which is not included in this listing. I graduated from University of California at Irvine in something not related to computers using this to do my reports and essays. The instructors always liked the typeface of the daisy wheel printouts better than the dot-matrix printouts. I also used it for many years to keep track of a volunteer organization's membership, documentation, & financial records. When it was time for me to upgrade I went to an IBM PS/2 with OS/2.

>>4868814
Huh?

>>4868818
Just what I said. The seller is probably 25 at most and that was his uncle's computer he's trying to claim was his own. If you believe that is even remotely true, I have an overpass in Utah to sell you.

>>4868813
I'll give him $70 for the whole lot. Also I'd lose money because I would also need to buy an Apple II CFFA for storage.

>>4868810
That might be understandable.
>>4868813
That however is not.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/-/273312300953?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

This one may be the C64 with the lowest serial number ever on sale. Pretty much one of the first C64s sold.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Amiga-A4000-in-4000T-Gehause-Warpengine-Picasso-IV-Paloma-voll-funktionsfahig/163091522573

These motherfuckers are selling these computers for more money than when they were commercially sold. Fuckers.

>>4869000
Considering AGA Amigas are mostly useful as a doorstop...yeah.

>>4868612
Gravis UltraSound cards, Adlib cards, some PAS models, MediaTrix cards, ATI F/X cards... If you have one of these and you're not using it, just drop it on Ebay and enjoy the madness.

>>4868762
i still have my cd for windows 95

why not install it on new computers?

>>4869049
Because people prefer having old hardware with old CPUs rather than using DosBOX

>>4869050
>Because people prefer having old hardware with old CPUs rather than using DosBOX
its a nostalgia thing aint it?

i would rather play on an old computer as well

is it the optics or is old hardware really better for old games?

>>4869057
Real hardware is always better than emulation. However as emulators get more and more advanced there'll be a time when emulators are as good as old hardware, but that time is still a long way coming.

>>4869063
>However as emulators get more and more advanced there'll be a time when emulators are as good as old hardware, but that time is still a long way coming.


maybe some corporation gets into that emulator thing? that'll turn out great!

>hands.jpeg

>>4869049
It would be extremely incompatible with modern chipsets. 20+ years brings a lot of changes.

>>4867229
WHATEN ZE FUCHEN!

Nostalgia is one hell of a drug.
This is not even the same as wanting to play a Saturn game on the original hardware, you are literally buying inferior machines that are inferior to a modern PC in every way, shape or form because you miss your childhood.

>>4869090
But that run old games better than any new hardware. Doesn't excuse the insane prices though.

>>4869091
>But that run old games better than any new hardware.
You really believe playing DOOM on an old PC with FPS limitations and shitty controls is better than playing Chocolate DOOM or even zDoom?

>>4869095
The old hardware will run the original DOOM files better, yes. But won't run Brutal Doom or zDoom and the likes better. We're talking about the original games and files, not later modifications which were needed because new hardware couldn't run the original files well in the first place.

>>4869095
Doom is the exception, it's been remade and ported constantly for the entire 20 years which is definitely not the case for most titles. If you're hardcore enough to track down a period correct machine you're probably also hardcore enough to care about some special sound hardware or similar that will only work with old computers. I've heard guys on here claim they find using 3Dfx Glide cards to give more visually pleasing results on a handful of games that were made with them in mind.

These things matter less than having fun possessing and using an antique machine in reality

>>4869097
What's the functional difference of running the original shareware DOOM over modern ports like Chocolate(which aims to be as "old" as possible) or GzDoom?
To me, apart from the difference in sound because of old sound boards there's really no reason to put old aging equipment in my house that can only do old games I can already play semi-faithfully in other means.

>>4869104
Which is why I'm saying nostalgia is a powerful drug, this "collecting" seems like collecting old phones.
Functionally useless and done better in every way by modern equipment, done because of the object itself.

It's weird.

>>4869105
But people buying old computers to use them won't use them only for Doom alone, they'll use them for the thousands of other games as well, most of which never had been modified to run well on new hardware.

>>4869049
>Why not install it on new computers?
Anyone who knows old computers and/or has ever setup a Windows 9x machine would know how much of a retarded idea that is, unless you're talking about a virtual machine.

I was lucky enough to be given an old Pentium 100 machine about 10 years ago which now serves as my win3.1/dos/childhood machine

>>4869107
It's sort of what this board is about though, we're all here because we like old shit. If you're into any other kind of collecting it gives a perspective of how fortunate we are in gaming, where you can grab basically anything and play it right there on your cell phone or you can go completely the other way and obsess over building a full suite of period correct equipment, or anything in between that you like.

It's actually really similar to vinyl, there's a little difference in "performance" you can enjoy as an aspect of having your collection of records, as well as the whole sensual process of picking one out to play etc, but also posses the same track in mp3 and enjoy all the convenience of that. Or you can be not interested in spending any money and only have the mp3 and still get to hear the same song. It's not done ONLY because of the object itself, but wanting to posses the object itself for no further reason is part of the joy. For a while my focus was on using my modern PC for absolutely everything but I realized as neat as it is that's possible having an empty apartment is no fun, I may as well have some antique electronics..

>>4869107
For me there's something nice about booting up DOS, seeing all the memory checks and adresses flash on the screen before loading in a front end before opening Windows 3.1
Yes you can emulate Win31 in DOSbox for example but those little nuances like watching emm386 flash that you have 1024k free or your conventional memory being low is something you couldnt duplicate

>>4867182
Because I'm not autistic like you.

>>4869325
You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkH3C8ciyqc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNaH4L51cts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FkEeJhXMFo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvQlp7RC13c

Emulation never quite feels like the real thing.

>>4869049
Windows 9x games can usually be run on Windows 10 (about 75% of them anyway).

>>4869079
Fucking hell, even back then Windows was notorious for refusing to work on anything that wasn't on Microsoft's approved hardware list.

>>4869175
>I was lucky enough to be given an old Pentium 100 machine about 10 years ago which now serves as my win3.1/dos/childhood machine
But Anon-kun, I already played those games. Why relive it? I've found a lot of more interesting stuff to get into.

>>4870542
its not an everyday thing, its like pulling out the nintendo after a few months, I set it up, play it for a few hours to get my fix then put it away for the rest of the year

I like 90s games but the hardware side of things never interested me that much.

I like 90s games but the hardware side of things never interested me that much. Windows 9x era hardware is not anywhere near as unique or interesting as the 80s stuff.

>>4870463
Many tend to have issues and sometimes just merely installing them can kinda fuck up your system or just add needless bloat, like the many games that use quicktime or some shit.

>>4869107
It's called "retrofetishism" and it is indeed weird. It gets absolutely bizarre when you realize that the vast majority of people participating in it aren't even old enough to have lived through the era they're obsessed with, so it's not even a nostalgia thing. They're literally the tech/gaming equivalent of every "born in le wrong generation" teenager you've seen make a comment on an YouTube music video about how [insert music predating their birth here] is so much better than whatever's out today.

>>4869107

It's not weird. In the entire history of "collecting" anything ever, objects made purely for their functional use (telephones, clocks, stoves, radios, tools, cars, etc) usually gain an aesthetic and historical value as time passes and a new found appreciation of an object's design, build quality, functional quirks emerges. Not everything boils down to convenience. People who enjoy gaming on period correct machines seek to recreate a historical experience, much like a car collector might drive a bone stock Model T around town or a carpenter making something using only jack planes and handsaws. It's also not always due to nostalgia. I wasn't alive in 1890-1920s, but that doesn't mean I can't think cast iron mechanical windup toys aren't cool as fuck.

holy shit

>>4869079
For one thing modern boards have EFI instead of the old fashioned ROM BIOS which Windows 95 needs to run.

>>4867182
>relist the same overpriced shit 100s of times
>it never sells
drrrrr

>>4874140
You mean like the C65 that sold for 81500€?

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Ultra-rare-Commodore-65-RAM-Expansion-C65-DX64-C90-prototype-working/322853882595#vi__app-cvip-panel

>>4867182
Because that should be illegal and someday a communist revolution will be giving your kind the gulag.

>>4874170
How do you not get scammed out of 90k?
Even if you set it to pick up only I'd be worried about the person still just simply telling bank/paypal it was a scam and them happily giving you all your money back.

Besides that, ebay takes fucking like 10%

>>4869115
I'm having a hard time figuring out your logic, then again I doubt it's really solid.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR2.TRC0.A0.H0.Xemachines+pc.TRS0&_nkw=emachines+pc&_sacat=0

Most of these are worth $20 at most.

>>4872898
Somewhere in Eastern Europe lies a warehouse full of Gravis stuff. I'm glad that I have the cards that I want, but I could have made more profit on the Extreme.

>>4872898
>2.5 gee for a bloody Gravis
Ok, I get it, cult demoscene hardware, but for fucks sake those people are next gen of corroded split-windows C2 selling boomers.

>>4873282
Nearly all my modern stuff has UEFI in addition to old school BIOS. The only exception is a few cheap chink tablets. Maybe ask your mom to let you play with computers that cost more than $100 before shitposting?

>>4873282
Also they don't have ISA, PCI, floppy drives, IDE hard disks, parallel, serial, and the many other things Windows 9x needs to run.

>>4870467
Especially RAM. I found that out once.

>>4877309
Windows 9x runs just fine without floppy drives, IDE disks, parallel, serial, and the many other things children to young to have ever used it think it needs

>>4868773
is that a setup for someone who lost their legs

>>4867182
>Why aren't you investing in old computers, anon?
Bought an AGP V3 3000 for 3 USD back in 2014 (like years after ZOMG TEH THEEDEEHEFFFEKS hype wave). Now the average price is around 50 USfuckingD.What the hell is going on?

If there is one thing this thread proves, is that you should NEVER EVER throw out your old hardware no matter what, it may be worth a fucking fortune in the future.

>>4869107
Like the anon fucking said, Doom is an exception and there are a shitload of games that only work on old hardware, particularly wonky win95-98 titles that fuck up modern video video cards and didn't get ports/remakes/whatever. Stop being a retard, there is a legitimate reason to get an old PC besides the collector mentality. Those 90s games ain't gonna be playable on modern computers forever. Yeah, the popular ones get releases on GOG and other places, but more obscure titles get shafted.