/vr/ - Retro Games

xenogears was the first SquareSoft game to have voiced cutscenes.
emglish dub still has pretty bad sync issues

you can get the undub version at the isozone anon.

Be sure to learn all your hit combos early on.

Are there deathblows for the gears as well, or is it just gonna stay one hit per fuel usage?

>>486107
Yes, you get deathblows

>>486215
They're not as awesome as the on foot deathblows, though.

I always preferred the on foot fights to the gear fights.

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>>486297

I'm glad new players are picking up Xenogears, but I'm sort of sad that there's not more threads by people who have finished it.

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>>486323
You make me feel old.
>mfw i'm 30 years old.

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>>486323

There was a killer xenogears thread the first week that the board was up.

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>>486339
I'm 24 and I feel old, too. Maybe we should just stop. It's not like we're back in diapers yet.

>>486359
I think I was there. I even saved my favorite post.

>>486375

>those fucking sewers

>>486367
I never understood why Dominia had the long pointy elfy-type ears.

>>486376
I saved this pic, this is for you

>>486407
think dry thought.

>>486407
There's not enough extraneous Xenogears serials. I don't even know what this is, actually. Didn't bother to do a reverse image search yet.

>>486414
Solaris was doing crazy experiments, might be a side effect of chu chu DNA

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>>486439
If i didn't have to go to work, I'd hunt it down for us.

>>486414
I would guess that this is probably a racial trademark of her people (Elru, on the hidden continent).

Seraphita is demi-human. Her backstory says something about Ramsus picking her up off the scrap heap just before she'd have been processed into the Soylent System.

>>486454
Baah, forgot about that!! You know what that means? One more play through!!

>>486323
>but I'm sort of sad that there's not more threads by people who have finished it.

Out of all the people I ever recommended or got Xenogears for years ago, only one has ever actually beaten it.

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>>486472
That's because the second disc happens and the game loses momentum in a big, big, big, big way.

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>>486486
which is sad cause some real good things happen on that disk.

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>>484769
be 14 when the game came out, the game was silently banned in Europe (along with FFT), no manual cause I got a pirated version, internet was still in the dark dial up days and there wasn't that much on it so no FAQs

I went without knowing how to learn new deathblows till disc 2 thanks to that

>>486450
Yikes, 0 results in my search. This might actually take some lateral thinking.

>>486472
My younger friend is actually playing it right now, loves it, and is looking forward to the book-like disc 2. None of my friends my age remotely give a shit, though.

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>>486512
hmmm..

>>486323
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>>486486
It's a long, long, long game in general. And if you're not heavily invested in the characters and story by the second disc, the endless exposition really drags on you. And then it's like suddenly Gear battle for no reason. Then more Shinji episodes. It's a good story if you have the patience, but the payoff almost isn't worth it.

Great FMV and wonderful song at the end, though. If you're going to play, pick up the undubbed version, the battle voices are so much better. And there's a gameshark code to speed up the INCREDIBLY SLOW SCROLLING TEXT WHY CAN'T I JUST PRESS A BUTTON TO SKIP I'VE READ IT ALREADY.

I loved fighting with Emeralda.

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>>486579

OP here, what's all this I'm hearing about disc 2 anyway?
I hear its good from some people, boring from others, and then just plain bad.

>>486594
Short story is Square needed the crew for other projects and stuff couldn't be allocated to finish it properly so quality may have suffered as a result.

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>>486594
Disc 2 is told mainly via narration and so it's about half as long as the first. Instead of putting you in actual scenes, it'll show a backdrop of what's happening and maybe put the relevant characters in front of it like it's a theater production sort of.

Basically, the story doesn't really drop in quality, it's just presented in a way that's disappointing to people who like to be able to move around a bit and see the full environment. But if you're really in love with the Xenogears story, it's not as big of a problem as people make it out to be. Mainly, there's just a few areas that could have used expanding, and the balance of combat is somewhat off.

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>>484414

My favorite game, ever. I'm probably going to replay it next month since it's been almost 6 years since I've done so.

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>>486779

Oh Jesus, Calamity's kicking my ass.

>>486792
Time to get smart kiddo, I hope you had more than one save file

>>486792

>tfw didn't buy a new engine because I wanted to save $$$

>>486792
Smile wildly at it.

>>486792

LAWL.

Yeah, I was expecting OP to post that.

>>486850
Yeah I've been doing that, the problem's the missiles. I'm not even sure if I can dodge those.

>>486836
Bought a new engine and frame for Weltall, nothing for Brigandier though. This was clearly a mistake. Bart can't even damage this thing without using a deathblow, and then he only does 36 at most.

>>486921

Why would you save money in a fucking game? It's there so you can spend it, Anon.

Oh, maybe you'll find something worthwhile later? Fuck you, you'll get better shit in dungeons.

>>486969
Actually, I just didn't have enough after I bought the stuff for Weltall.
I'm guessing I'll just have to grind some more.

thoughs on Xenosaga?

Man, I want to replay Xenogears, but it's one of the few games out there that has aged so poorly I have issues with it.

Shit, I played through Legend of Legaia not too long ago and that was fine, but not Xenogears. :/

>>487008
I think it's the poorer iteration of Takahashi's story, but I like it. I was replaying it recently but took a break, and I've never gotten past Episode I, nor do I really remember what I played to boot.

>>487051
>thinking games can age
>on /vr/

>>487067

It's one of the only ones where it gets to me, and I know it shouldn't, but it does.

>>487008

I like Xenosaga's characters better, but there's so much of Xenosaga left unanswered. Even though Xenogears was also developed with more games in mind, it feels like more of a complete story than Saga.

>>487067

They can. I don't have to like everything about a game, nor do I have ignore whatever problems it had, and super-nor do I have to pretend like I can't appreciate something that I criticize just because this is a board for retro games.

>>486836
This is one of the few JRPGs where money is a legit issue. Most games I don't even think twice about buying all of the gear or 99 of every item, but in this one I had to actually manage money the entire way through.

Honestly, it was kind of nice.

>>487146
I didn't say you have to like it, just don't blame it on something stupid like "age."

>>487008
Play 1, read a summary of 2, play 3.

>>487151

You'd prefer if I said that the technical limitations and quality of the graphical engine aren't offset by the artistic style of said graphics enough to make me tolerate what I feel are substandard graphics?

Because usually the stylistic choices and such of the graphics are enough for me to get past it, but in some games I feel that the graphical style is just really bad. Xenogears is, in general, one of those games- FF7 is another.

I can still play and enjoy them, but I just find that they look rather ugly on the whole.

>>487008
Played and beat 1 twice. Preordered and bought 2 day one with the fancy guide/soundtrack CD. Could not play more than an hour.

Bought 3 used. Played 10 hours got mad because the story and returning characters. Why can't people just die?

>>487664
Pssh, it's established in 1 that people have a habit of not staying dead.

This game is my childhood and my adulthood.

>>487051
xenogears is like a fine wine, or even a piece of fine art. as the years go by, it can only be more greatly appreciated.

>>486378
>tfw Fei bangs Elly and you lose all her equipment.

>>486367
I used to masturbate to the four on the left so much lel.

>>488934
lol? what did you see in them?

>>489123
exactly. lol(i)

>>486439
it's a doujin called distant promise. it's actually pretty good

>>487008
i love Xenosaga. i think it's a must play if you are interested in understanding more about xenogears. i also think it does many things better.

>>487126
i dont think that there are many loose ends left in xenosaga. given the circumstances they had to deliver a product that deviated from their original visions, but it was still pretty damned good. the ending being a major cliffhanger is what sticks out to me, but i suspect that this was a necessary step. you can fill in the gaps yourself

>Xenosaga
Episodes I-III are a rewrite of Xenogears episode 1 as outlined in PW. Part 1
>Xenogears
Episodes 2-5 are shown in game. Part 2
>???
what comes after. Part 3

>>490717
So then the Xeno games are related then?
Does Xenoblades fit anywhere into this?

>>492436
>So then the Xeno games are related then?
gears and saga are very related. how they fit together is debatable
>Does Xenoblades fit anywhere into this?
no. xenoblade is a standalone game. it's xeno in spirit, shares a few common elements

>>492436
Pretty much the only conntection Xenosaga has to Xenogears is that Xenosaga ep 1 and Xenogears both started in T.C. 4767. Other than that Xenosaga had a lot of simialr plot points and pretty much was dub the spiritual successor to Xenogears. Xenoblade has no connection.

>>492501
there are many more connections. they actually fit together nicely except for a few things here and there
granted, xenosaga was a rewrite of draft material, so i'm sure the periods after xenosaga III would have been different than how they happened in xenogears if they were actually made.
if you want to stretch things a little bit the two can be connected. it's up to your interpretation

Xenogears is that shit. Citan is probably my favorite male video game character ever. Also who doesn't love kung-fu Darth Vader? What the fuck was up with Dan though?

>>486339
I'm 28 and I am also old. Maybe we should make an old folks home for old gamers to retire thereon.

>>486836
You'll be pretty hard up for money most of the time and grinding won't fix that because monsters rarely drop money (although you can sell their item drops if you're lucky). In gear sections you want to make engine buying a top priority because those increase your attack (the "output" parameter = physical attack increase). Also you don't get gear healing for a while so you're going to have to manage your HP and/or bulldoze everything as fast as possible (hence, higher attack power, hence engines).

>>487126
Pretty much this. Also I hate the shit out of Xenosaga 2 forever. Did they ever get around to translating XS 1+2 DS?

>>493176
Ether machine is also an overlooked avenue of attack early on, though it's difficult to make Fei effective this way and most characters can't do it at all. But you can at least take Elly and not really have to worry about upgrading her engine.

>>486339
>You make me feel old.
>>mfw i'm 30 years old.
>>486376
>I'm 24 and I feel old, too.
>>493176
>I'm 28 and I am also old.
Hi /vr/, I'm 35. Feeling old gets worse every year. I understand now why most adults never give a fuck about birthdays anymore. One foot closer to the grave...

At least my wife doesn't give me shit about my collection or playing (when I actually have time to).

>>487126
>>493187
I will never understand what the hell happened with Xenosaga 2. The character redesigns were fucking bonkers and they gave bullshitty reasons for doing it.

I can't get this game to work on PSP

>>493223
Yeah, some investment in Ether with offense magic characters (...so Elly pretty much) can be disturbingly effective compared to on foot. Plus you can actually buy an Ether Doubler on disc 1 (albeit you'll need to grind for the cash), which can result in a ludicrous damage increase.

>>484414
>especially from an old square game
?
I don't understand. Here I was feeling like while Square was standalone they made really great games while after the movie flop i.e. the Enix merge they turned to the worse. Dramatically.

>>493412
Yeah, seems like the Enix portion of Squeenix is making better games these days.

>>493246
I'm 34, and I've already died once. Age doesn't matter to me because I know the oblivion that awaits. So I play video games while waiting for my heart to fuck off for more than ten minutes.

Did chu ever realize just how big of an asset Chu-Chu can actchually be?

Chu-Chu is the only one who can heal gears in combat, though it's not a huge amount. Mid-dungeon, if Chu-Chu soaks a lot of damage, you can just heal her as a character with hob-steaks or whatever and her gear-sized HP will go to full also. She's the only character whose stats affect her gear combat, so you can actually beef her up. On foot, she also has a lot of unique ethers as well. Plus, she gets custom equips that give good bonuses (Chu-Chu Idol -- attack, defense, ether and ether def +20%).

I regret that you don't get to use her until pretty late into disc 1 even though she's there for basically the entire game.

>>494592
>So I play video games while waiting for my heart to fuck off for more than ten minutes.
Best wishes to you, mang. Sorry you drew a bad lot. Time is precious. I'm now older than my older brother, who died of cancer at 24.

Play dem vidya while you can, kiddos.

>>494604
But she's insufferable as a character. Basically a pink ewok.

>>494604

I used a cheat to give myself infinite money and bought enough stat boosting items to max Chu-Chu's stats, and she still can't outperform a gear with an OMEGA100 and a GNRS50

you'll love it anon
untill CD2
I'm kidding it's all great

>>494631
Chu-Chu is not a masterpiece of writing, but the funny thing is that actual thought went into the character and its race, including the absurd growth.

>The Ooki tribe being aboriginal lifeforms, have possessed high intelligence since the Zeboim era. The surviving animals escaped after the total nuclear war from laboratories and genetic research facilities across the ruined surface - giving birth to the first demi-humans. The sudden mutation of many aboriginals also advanced the Ooki tribe. At that time they had gigantic bodies, but Limiters placed by Solaris keeps them at a fixed small size.

>>494632
No, I wouldn't use Chu-Chu in a slugfest, but over long periods of time bringing her can be a good option (i.e. the last dungeon). You can take off your Frame HPs and equip Beam Coats or Anti-Angel Systems instead, maximizing your coverage. Of course, this would be more pronounced if Xenogears was balanced well.

chuchu was fukken awesome against deus

>>495161
Deus was a fuckin cakewalk, brah.