/vr/ - Retro Games

Simplicity.

You run, shoot, and get to the end of the mission, and the secrets in game are there waiting if you want to.

>>4856318
This. As simple as it is, it manages to outshine any modern title in the FPS genre.

Tense atmosphere keeps me playing.

Because gorey games makes pearl clutchers salty.

>>4856323
Even Doom?

>>4856385
Bethesda's Doom is lackluster

>>4856272
Your 6 inch thick nostalgia glasses.

It's a casual game with hardcore appeal.

>>4856272
The devs were self aware of what fun really is. They all put effort into every part of the game.

>>4856318
Wolfenstein 3D is also very simple, but no one really cares about it.

-Good shooties
-Good badies
-Complex, interesting, and groundbreaking level design philosophy
-Smooth and flexible engine
-Very presentable art and textures
-Tons of fan content and support

>>4856272
Pick up and play

easy to play hard to master

its fucking DOOM

>>4856430
You're gay.
>>4856318
This.
>>4856462
But Doom spiced things up more in terms of level design and weapons. Wolfenstein 3D is a classic and all, but there's only so much you can do with open rooms and long, flat hallways.

Overall, it's simple but not too simple.

>>4856452
>casual

nigegr that term wasn't even applied in this aspecr for 15+ years that it weas popular

>>4856272
mainly the player movement. doomguy moves at something like 90mph and theres no animation lag like most games today so you can run around and kill things as fast as you can think. its also quite satisfying to kill the monsters.

Duke Nukem 3D is better in every aspect, but Doom is still the second best FPS along with HL2.

>>4856272
It was probably the first video game that made me shit my pants in horror. Well, not really shit them...more like sharted them, but hey...I'm American and I DO shop at Walmart occasionally so it's all good.

>>4856318
Doom is a dungeon crawler dressed up as a fps, you're constantly looking for keys and exploring a big ass level. Most modern fps games are simpler.

It has better level design than most shooters, and the best community of mappers and modders.
Also, great graphical style, cool 90s attitude and metal music helps.

>>4856272
Most satisfying core gameplay of anything since Mario.

>>4856272
It has everything that needs to be there for a good FPS: Enemies, Level design, sounds, atmosphere, and absolutely nothing extra.
It is the purest FPS ever made.

The ones that came before lacked some of the necessary things (Wolf lacked variety in level design for instance). The ones that came after added in unnecesary things or extra bullshit.

Quake adds only a little bit in form of jumping, true 3D and verticality, but that IMO also not 100% necessary for a good shooter.

>>4856272
Wide support for WAD mapmaking creations. Community has been around for long.

post this garbage in the containment general >>4856013

>>4856430
Nostalgia accusations aren't an argument.

Most overrated retro game ever.

Doom and SMB are the games aged the best.

>>4856272
I'm not too found of mod in general but I love Brutal Doom. It's fucking amazing

Good read: http://vectorpoem.com/news/?p=74

But that's just the beginning. Books could be written about why Doom is good.

One thing I'll add is that Doom's simple enemy AI and enemy notification logic has a tendency to create interesting emergent behavior, especially when there are large groups of enemies. The in-fighting is brilliant. In large levels with large numbers of enemies, there is a real sense of facing off against entire armies of enemies, with a "depth of battle" feel - the various enemy weapon types create interesting layers of engagement as you simultaneously fight nearby and far-off enemies, and the enemy in-fighting, various flying projectiles, combat sounds, etc. create a sense of being on a real battlefield facing somewhat intelligent enemies. I know that the Doom enemy AI is probably extremely simple, but it is extremely well chosen - complex behavior emerges from the simple code.

>>4856272
Speed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/4nt3fo/i_got_bored_and_did_some_math_on_the_original/

>>4858639
>arcadia.wad author's brainfarts
>us, PROFESSIONAL level-designers, right, Romero, wink-wink-nod-nod?
No, thanks.

>>4856391
Bethesda published it, but it was still developed by id. Granted, none of the original team still works for id.

>>4857416
Your mom's pussy is overrated but I still hit that shit every night

>>4857254
No :)

>>4857389
Yes it is, in this context. The implication, which you apparently missed, is that it's not actually still appealing or still one of the best games ever, and that only someone high on nostalgia would think it is.

Easy enough for any moron that just got done playing the latest trendy games to win easily.

Wads. You could play a different mod or map every day for the rest of your life and not run out of them.

>>4857416
Maybe if you're a faggot.

>>4856673
This, the PC RPG influence of the time, the fast gameplay, the technical trickery they had going on to simulate 3D movement makes it feel both old and new at the same time, it is simple but there is this feel that there is something that you don't quite get about the whole thing. The first game is very aesthetic at times too, Doom 2 ironically feels more dated to me than the first one because the scenery isn't as appealing and the levels got a tad too big at times, making it feel more a bit more unforgiving with your progress, something characteristic of older games.

>>4856272
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEF4GVNzkUw&t=2170s

>>4858639
>vectorpoem.com
Le Bretons video playthrough he did with Romero of the entire first episode of Doom is a great watch.

>>4859537
>a game with multiplayer servers online, triving community, out of the ass maps and mods riding on 25 years of nostalgia
I politely invite you to leave this board

>>4857416
It regularly scored 8 and 9. Clearly you meant to say underrated as it deserves 10s

generous auto aim

Fast.

1. Quality non-linear level design with many secrets
2. Satisfying gunplay (with the exception of the pistol)
3. Interesting & unique enemy roster, not only in attacks/purpose but in visual design
not to mention the technical innovation at the time

Is playing DOOM on Z supposed to look grainier than GZ? The former feels more classic and I personally like it better, but I hope I'm not just playing it in poorly rendered graphics.

>>4864764
If you want vanilla compatibility, use Chocolate/Crispy Doom to see how it should look. Mods that alter the behavior of the game (not just graphics) are generally made on top of GZDoom extensive extendability extensions. ZDoom is not developed any more, and some of the latest mods already need the latest GZDoom features. You can make OpenGL renderer look good by not using modern screen resolutions and disabling texture filtering.

>>4856272
The feel that you have really run through those halls, turning your head nervously all the time.

‘Doctor, do you treat the fear of open spaces?’
‘Yes, of course.’
‘And the fear of closed spaces?’
‘Absolutely.’
‘You see, my son has both…’
‘Ah! We don't treat doomers.’

Always thought Quake was superior to Doom. Sure, the innovations at the time in 92' (or was it 93'?) when Doom came out were exceptional and groundbreaking, but Quake always felt a touch above from the fantasy of the weapons, the atmosphere and the architecture in the world. I thought secrets in Quake were consistently more cleverly implemented then they were in Doom.

>>4856272
u can kill satan

>>4865075
Were exactly in Doom can you kill satan?

>>4865103
every character is a satan

>>4856318
>simplicity
It's simple to approach, doesn't require twitch aiming or incredibly developed spacial awareness but the game mechanics are really not that simple for action game standards.

>>4859537
4chan is a highly informal forum were informal and fallacious arguments are employed frequently. So here's how it's supposed to work:

> You only like the game because nostalgia
This is lazy question-begging and contains no specific criticism of the game. The correct informal response to this 'argument' is:

> You're a retard with no taste
This accusation is at least confirmed by the evidence you provided, even if it still has nothing to do with the game itself.

>>4856272
Sprties, sound, level design and beautiful doom.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ue0kby2mz9c7plx/Doom+Classic+Complete.zip

>>4856272
There's always so much fresh stuff to play because of the long standing modding community. Tech is of an old bygone era such that level/asset creation could still be done by one person or a small team.
Enough variety in the enemies (After 2), weapons all have a strategy and a natural rhythm.
You can play it on A N Y T H I N G with a silky smooth framerate.

>>4856983
This is the one. Everything is balanced to perfection - smoothness of movement, the way weaons work and how enemies react. Levels are complex but also simple at the same time (because the game is in 2d after all). It's combination of perfect things.

I would love to see 2d Doom but with DOOM2016 graphics, all in 3d with shaders etc but movement is same as in original Doom. Too bad this wont ever happen though unless someone does some serious work.
Question: I have seen some youtube videos of original Doom running with Doom 3 models. I believe it was with Doomsday engine. Where can I get the models? I tried to search but nothing really came up.
One more interesting things was Doom 3 textures converted to Doom format so they are usable in map editor - https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/92309-doom-3-textures-for-doom/
But this is not what I'm looking for..

>>4865351
>http://www.mediafire.com/file/ue0kby2mz9c7plx/Doom+Classic+Complete.zip
Whats in the zip?

>>4867757
Going to answer myself, found something http://www.mediafire.com/file/zy2zxqax0n6guan/Doom+3+Resouce+Pack.exe
Let's see...

>>4867760
>Whats in the zip?
Probably the game wads itself. Try it, doesn't take too long to download. It's not that hard to click and unpack.

>>4867760
Spoonfeeding in action

It's just a solid, elegant design. Weapons are reasonably well balanced, they enemies stand out and are largely not annoying to deal with, movement is smooth, environments are engaging as gameplay environments, and the visuals are all distinctive and easy to work with.

>>4859537
I didn't play Doom until I was an adult well after its initial release, I still found it to be a rock-solid shooter.