/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4844959
Hell yeah we can. World of STR, lawfag for life. MTII is my favorite Megaten of the retro ones I've played.
>would you fuck Yuriko?
indeed

>Build
Str abd Vit for NH
Mag and Vit for LH
Int and Dex for CH
Mag and Int for Heroine
>Alignment
Law
>Would you fuck Yuriko
No, She's a chaos thot, there are much better demon girls out there

>>4844986
I watched someone play through Megami Tensei 2 and holy crap that part where you have to deliberately get your arm bit off was great

What alignment is Mary?

>>4844959
I still need to beat SMTI. Got to the dungeon inside the heroine's mind and quit. Love SMT and have beat most of the modern games but as muchbas I hate to say it I just get frustrated with the older games. I read awhile ago someone was planning on porting the Aeon Genesis translations to the ps1 version which I've heard is a bit less annoying with less encounters and other updated asoects.
>>4845247
I remember some interview where they mentioned they added that just for the shock value. Honestly its amazing how effective it was.
>>4845256
Mary feels nothing so probably leans toward neutral, she feels strongly toward nothing.

>>4845276
>Mary feels nothing
You didn't do her sidequest?
Hacker MC is neutral-neutral though, or at least I believe so.

>>4844986
Finished translation when? The compilation on SNES fucks the aesthetic and music up so badly.

>>4844959
Neutral. Kill everyone and let mankind deal with it's own fate.

>>4845291
DMANUFACTURE seems to have disappeared from the planet, sadly. I couldn't agree more about the SNES versions, (though the quality of life improvements in MT are nice).

>>4844959
If I havent played these should I just start with the first one?

>>4848116
If you're familiar with retro, first-person dungeon crawlers, sure. SMT is kind of brutal without a guide though, it never, ever tells you where the fuck to go. Aside from that it's an amazing game. If you're not comfortable with retro first-person dungeon crawlers, you might want to start with Soul Hackers on the 3DS, or a not retro entry (which are largely 3rd person), to get 'into' the series. There's a shit ton of Megaten games, so there's bound to be something you'll love, if you're into JRPGs that are all about gameplay and atmosphere with a loose story.

Oh it's also worth noting that the Gideon translation of SMT is fucking awful, but it's all we've got aside from the iOS version, which is quite good, but will only run on iOS 10 or lower. I beat SMT on my phone.

>>4848116

Its fine to start with the first one.

For the SNES one, there are a couple of rom hacks that are worth patching in. First of all is the translation fix, which fixes a bunch of bugs and a particularly nasty softlock in the aeon genesis translation:
https://www.romhacking.net/translations/2616/

Second of all is this nice QOL hack which lets you open the automap with the R button instead of having to go through a menu (which SMT2 does without patching). It works with the patched roms, so you can just throw it on there.

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/907/

One thing to keep in mind is that the SNES version of the game has an absolutely ABSURD encounter rate.

>>4848163
>>4848168
thanks dudes

>>4844959
Strength of course
Chaos 4 lyfe, especially in old SMT where it was legit the most moral choice and had the best outcome for humanity
N/A

SMT series is remarkable for getting me to put ungodly hours into games that I never actually finish... they have a habit of overstaying their welcome

How does it compare to KMT?

>>4848225
How does what compare? SMT? MTII is like a proto-SMT, MT is essentially weeb-Wizardry.

>>4848225
How does what compare? SMT? MTII is like a proto-SMT, MT is essentially weeb-Wizardry.

>>4848272
To kyuuyaku megami tensei

Start with the first Megaten localized in the west.

>>4848281
Oh, the KMT version of MT is a nice upgrade (saving instead of passwords is great, for instance). But the KMT version of MTII looks, and sounds way worse than the Famicom version and it's a damn shame. It's great that we can play it in english at all, but the FC version is probably the greatest RPG on that platform, so it's a shame it's only partially translated.

>>4848289
>But the KMT version of MTII looks, and sounds way worse than the Famicom version

How is that?

>>4850007
The graphics just lose a lot of 'atmosphere' and 'feel' due to it being a pretty rush job port, built on a stock engine. Really, the graphics are pretty subjective. That said, the sound is not subjective. The Famicom version uses a special NAMCOT sound generator and it is quite literallyt one of the best soundtracks on the console, it's simply amazing. The KMT version just uses generic, run-of-the-mill SNES sample-sets and has no balls at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ4zvfpcI1M&t=4911s

https://youtu.be/1OJ-R_HW0Lc

>>4850065
I won't argue against the music, the famicom version definitely has a cooler feel to it, but I have no idea what you're talking about for the art.

The art of KMT is pretty damn good. Just look at this background for example. The various graffiti gives it so much character that a black background wouldn't.

If anything I say KMT is better for the gameplay advancements alone but still, KMT is nowhere near as bad as purists claim it is.

>>4848272
isn't wizardry inherently weeb itself? its made by white guys who wanted to live in japan, and wanks off samurais and ninjas

>>4850065
Thanks. I played SFC MTII for some hours and I didn't remember those problems. Sadly it still seems the easiest way to play. Does MTII even works in a NES everdrive?

>>4850864
MTII does work on an EverDrive, enhanced sound and all. The partial translation will also run as seen in my picture >>4844986

>>4850797
What gameplay advancements were made to MTII in KMT? In MT there's plenty, sure, but I'm not aware of any for MTII.

>>4845291
I complete it on SNES, and it seemed fine to me.
The quality of life improvements more than make up for anything missing.

>>4850836
So if we want to differentiate between Western and Eastern all we have to do is ask the makers if they EVER wanted to live in Japan or not.

>>4844992
>Mag
>LH
Explain.

>>4850965
Did you not play SMTI? Law hero gets the zan skills making him a great magic user. Chaos hero gets agi skills which aren't as good making him better suited for physical damage. Law hero should be used as the mage, he's good for using magic for crowds of enemies and healing.

>>4851132
>Chaos hero gets agi skills which aren't as good making him better suited for physical damage.
>int and dex for CH instead of str

>>4852105
That wasn't me, He is right about LH but CH is better for sibabou and maragi in one certain time in the game, that's why the int and the dex it's for the gun

>>4844992
You have the hero max Int on all routes and if you don't know why you're a scrub

>>4844959
I usually go for neutral because i want to beat the shit out of everyone but ideologically i'd side with chaos bros rather than law homos.

>>4844959
>>4853879
Build depends on game but mostly STR
>would you fuck Yuriko
No, I want to punch her in the face.

Are SMT I & II worth getting into if I'm used to the more refined later titles on PS2 and 3DS? I hear the gameplay of I & II mainly consists of auto-battle.

>>4853962
The biggest problem is the absurd encounter rate. It's classic tile based movement and every step has a 30% chance of triggering random battles (plural because you usually have to fight three different battles in the row).
The only way to fight them without going insane is to use auto-battle every time while holding the fast-forward button.

>>4848272
I'm at Mazurka right now, and this game is seriously wearing me thin with its obnoxious enemies and random encounters. Not to mention the only cathedral and save point is right at the very beginning of the game. Is it worth going on?

>>4854494
It's maddening even with auto battle, only estoma can fight off the suicidal urges

>>4855573
The Kyuuyaku/New Testament remake has tons of QoL improvements that make it a way better experience. Should have played that unless you're a hardcore fan of the NES aesthetic.

>>4855573
You got bigger balls than me, man. I've beaten the KMT version, but even as a huge Famicom fag the FC version is obscenely brutal. The password system certainly doesn't help. I've actually been planning to sit down and play it with graph paper, but I've only mapped the very first floor so far. Kind of waiting to buy an AVS so I can actually map at my desk instead of on a TV tray with my current rig.

>>4855573
>that tiled background

I think it would drive me crazy. I'm glad they were thinking of decorating unused space, but I'm not so sure it worked out.

>>4855679
It's not particularly off-putting on a CRT, to be fair.