/vr/ - Retro Games

- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
- CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
- CRTs always have easily-visible flicker
- CRTs always cause eyestrain
- CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise
- CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged
- CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year
- Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels
- Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance
- Afterimages caused by phosphor decay are extremely annoying and are a significant downside of CRTs
- Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage
- CRTs cannot have touchscreens
- 4:3 is so bad that nobody should use a non-widescreen CRT
- The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
- Curved CRTs have objectively inferior picture quality versus flat CRTs with otherwise equal specifications
- CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs
- CRTs have severe reflections because they do not have matte coats
- CRTs can be permanently damaged by nearby magnets
- Analog signals limit a CRT's resolutions and refresh rates and negatively effect picture quality
- Heavy metals are used in CRT glass to reduce radiation

Say NO to cancer ray tubes!!

>>4841436

>>4841436
Imagine being this mad that people are using old TV's that are era appropriate to the video games they play

>>4841479

In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.

>>4841484
Super Scope goes on shoulder and it fucking sucks.

Of to a great start!

>>4841485

Is it dangerous to open and work on a CRT on carpet? Like, setting the TV itself down on carpet

>>4841436

>>4841648
It's dangerous to open a CRT anywhere. They hold enough charge to kill you if you don't know what you're doing. That analog stuff tends to be pretty robust and there shouldn't be too much static during summer. You should be good as long as you don't spark anything with your hands.

I managed to get my hands on a new set. It seemed to be working fine, but after a couple minutes of running it started making a high-pitched whine. The pitch and loudness of it would change depending on what was displayed. Soon after, the image started shimmering and then it died, it doesn't power on at all. Anybody know what's up? Is it completely fucked?

>>4841662
>They hold enough charge to kill you if you don't know what you're doing
I'm pretty confident in doing it since apparently their lethality is completely overstated and the risk of working on one is an unpleasant shock at worst in most cases. Not only that but all I need to do is pop it open, adjust the convergence rings, close it up. I'm just a little nervous because it's my first time working on one and didn't know if carpet flooring induced some extra static ooga booga magic that made the risk more lethal or something

>>4841676
Could be dried out electrolytic capacitors. Unfortunately, they can't be replaced by you since you're on this board and therefor a brainlet.

Not video games, but do you guys own VHS tapes? I just bought a neon genesis evangelion collection on ebay and wondered how they compare to dvds.

>>4841689
thanks

>>4841712
VHS has no advantages over high bitrate digital. Even DVD is better in every way.

The kind of beta that was actually in use was not significantly better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oJs8-I9WtA

>>4841712

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbZMqS-fW-8

is this good for retro?

Well guys, my TV is beyond fucked. As you can see by the bottom pic here, not only is the convergence and focus out of alignment but the yoke is also tilted, the image isn't level. And does anybody know what's going on with the slight wave in the upper lefthand corner, convergence aside? Should I even attempt to fix it or is this TV too far gone?

>>4841791

Hue detected.

>>4842163
do you know what you are doing?

>>4842180
I'm a complete amateur but I was fine with fixing the convergence and focus. I am not so fine fucking with the yoke, and was always afraid my TV might have a yoke issue but I confirmed it today when I finally decided to work on it. I don't know how exactly to go about fixing that yet and I hear it's more dangerous than other more minor calibrations working on a CRT.

>>4841293
Can anyone identify this model?
https://us.letgo.com/en/i/sharp-crt-tv_05a4dc44-27fd-48b7-91a7-f9fca5852c82
I know its just a piece of shit that only accepts composite and RF, but I still want to check if its possible to mod it.

>>4842205
>$50
Holy shit dude do not buy that

>>4842213
Of course I'm not buying it m8, Its just that I could not find any photo of it elsewhere and I can't really get a shot of it right now.

>>4841684
>I'm pretty confident in doing it since apparently their lethality is completely overstated and the risk of working on one is an unpleasant shock at worst in most cases.

Lol. It's not overstated because it CAN kill you. "In most cases" you can get a serious shock if you fuck up. Like, have you ever been tasered? This is worse than that. If you super fuck up you can die, so exactly how is that overstated? Do you know the difference between "Oh goddamn that fucking hurt" and "I'm dead" style of fuckups? If not then maybe you shouldn't be fucking around with this shit. But whatever, I ain't your mom.

>>4842232
All I'm saying is people fuck around inside these things on the daily. There are tons of video tutorials online, anyone with a brain can know what's safe to touch and I've never heard of anyone actually dying from a CRT even in cases where they shocked themselves or caused an implosion of the tube. They're dangerous for sure but it's not a "clip the wrong wire and you are INSTANTLY DEAD" bomb defusing scenario here.

>>4841712
I've got tons of vhs tapes. Also tons of cassette tapes, 8-tracks, and records. I got into collecting vhs in the late 2000s, everyone was getting rid of them at that point and I could usually pick up tapes for 25 cents each, got to watch lots of the best movies ever this way

I have a CRT with component input that I've been using those HD Retrovisions cables with for RGB.
If I were to get a CRT with SCART input would it look the same or better? Just wondering if it's worth picking up another CRT

What is the appeal of scanlines?
Do they actually provide "free antialiasing"?
How does that give better picture than a 13/14" CRTV too small to show visible scanlines?
How do scanlines improve image quality, aside from darkening it?
How is no scanlines visually worse than scanlines?
Do scanlines add more depth/3rd dimension to a 2D image? Then how do scanlines improve a 3D image in 240p?
At what point do scanlines become too large and distracting from the game image on CRTVs?
27"?
32"?
36"?
40"?
Does it depend on whether you are using composite, S-video, or component?

>>4842309
Pure aesthetic matter of preference

>>4842309
>At what point do scanlines become too large and distracting from the game image on CRTVs?27"?32"?36"?40"?

tv on the left is 36, the right is 40, they look awesome on both

>>4842286
are the hd retro vision cables actually rgb ?

Where in the room should a crt be? Close to the window, near a sofa, high or low etc.?

>>4842205
btw, already found it
Sharp 25L-S100/180
now for the hard part

>>4842482
wouldn't it be better to drive the tube directly?

>>4842431
The screen should be facing directly away from the window. You don't want any glare, reflection or ambient light on the screen.

>>4842591
Also it should be slightly below eye level.

>>4842426
Assuming you mean the SNES/Genesis ones, they have a transcoder in them which converts the RGB signal the consoles already output and turn it into Component. So, yes they do use RGB, but they don't output RGB.

If you're only interested in one or two consoles or swapping around one cable with adapters, the cables they offer are nice; If you're interested in running several, possibly including ones they don't have cables for, or running into a switch or what have you, a standalone transcoder and SCART cables may be a better option for you.

>>4842597
thanks bro, I got a bvm yesterday AND a free curbside Samsung 26 inch widescreen hd crt

>>4841135
Slightly misleading response to >>4841020

Should have said anon needed to send a 15kHz signal, obviously.

>>4842520
Why do people insist on this? You do realise that if you by pass the beam current limits the HV drops out of regulation, and if it's an old set and going slightly dim, it's easy to turn the beam current up to get it bright enough and just x-ray yourself, right?

>>4842684
are you an electrical engineer? any reason that going through the jungle ic would prevent you x raying yourself?

Is pic related worth $50? It has composite out and a built in DVD player.

>>4842694

>>4842401
Is the left TV a Sony and the right TV a Mitsubishi?
Which is heavier, the larger curved glass CRTV or the smaller semi-curved glass CRTV?

I recently got a sony fs120 for free and the picture is great but theres always a buzzing type noise from the speakers. Its usually not noticable unless theres no game audio and my is dead quiet. Would this be something that can be fixed somehow, maybe by using external speakers? This tv model has a headphone jack and i can still hear the buzzing noise coming from my headphones. Here is the buzzing sound for reference.
https://vocaroo.com/i/s070rUVZcwyv

>>4841436
Mods please delete this obvious bait. It just serves to derail the thread.

>>4842703
1. yes

2. seemed about the same desu, the REALLY heavy one is the 40 inch hd crtv xbr800, which isn't in the pic

>>4841684

They can shock you so bad that you will lose control of your bowels and literally shit yourself, or shock you bad enough to kill you which would probably release your bowels too. In other words, they will literally shock the shit (or shit and life) out of you.

>>4842728
Pfffffft get the fuck out you retard. Common sense will keep you from getting zapped and even if you do get zapped it’s not fucking close to fatal.

>>4842728
If you never learn to service them you're at the mercy of circumstance. Constantly worrying about the hypothetical danger isn't really practical when the amount of people that crack them open and work on them safely vs the people that get hurt by them (let alone die) is so disproportionate that there's basically no data for any severe cases of CRT accidents.

>>4842692
Yes, there's a reason going through the jungle is safe. The video input of the jungle chip is buffered and will simply clip, and the output is regulated and current-limited, and every jungle chip i've ever seen takes the beam current feedback and regulates both the grids and the HV. If you bypass the beam current limits you're bypassing the x-ray protection too, and the HV regulation. All sets from the 80-'s onward were designed with those three systems linked, from what i've seen. A set is designed to take inputs through the jungle, if the OSD uses them. There are some jungles that will let you mux the outputs, but even so the feedback goes through the jungle.

if you do feed the neckboard, any image of normal brightness on a set in decent condition is unlikely to do any harm, but if you dial things right up by just pumping more voltage onto the cathodes, you will increase the beam current, and because the jungle isn't getting the right feedback it will keep the grid voltages high and this combines to mean more xrays. With an older set that's already going dim, the problem is going to be worse.

It might be all we have recourse to, as chassis tart dying, but i'd go carefully. And DESU i haven't tested this, this is all based on the schematics and some little understanding of how a CRT works and where the x-rays come from. I'd get a geiger counter of ebay for like $30 and give it a go before putting my kids in front of a neckboard-modded set every day though.

>>4842401
I hate that this picture keeps getting posted. It is so low res people like >>4841436 mega autismo use it as ammo.

>>4842754
it's just a troll dude, relax

>>4842698
>>4842694
Unless you want some kind of an ironic meme setup, no
I'd only pay 50 for something with SCART or component at most under a good brand.

Funny enough I saw a few months ago someone had SCART-modded that exact TV

>>4842710
Make sure you're using good (shielded) cables if audio noise annoys you. What console? Is it more noticeable on bright white screens? I'm guessing it's a SNES, let us know. If my guess is correct, there is a mod http://retrorgb.com/snesdigitalaudio.html . It gets rid of any audio buzz.

>>4842743
Listen retard, I'm not saying you can't do it safely, I'm replying to the idiot anon who acted like there was no risk. I'm not trying to fear monger, just learn how to safely discharge and work on a CRT, or don't, we don't need more idiots in the gene pool.

>>4842482
What would BLK mean here? How can there be Y In and C In if there is only composite video (at least from what it looks)?

>>4842917
BLK = blanking, which is turning on RGB mode.

>>4842917
And for why it has both Y and C in, it's just splitting the composite into s-video like with a simple trap filter on Y and low pass on the C, shitty, but it kinda works. You could do an S-video mod there too

>CRT listings CL and elsewhere have been almost bone dry for months
>Even after moving to my hometown, my chances of finding good CRTs haven't been any better
>Professional displays are rare as fuck here, consumer CRTs are even becoming scarce
>Have no choice but to put aside at least a thousand bucks or more to have a monitor shipped from ebay
>The cheaper options usually aren't thoroughly tested beyond seeing if it powers on
>Would prefer to buy from someone who's used it for retro gaming but they'll probably go turbojew on the price

>>4843031
the prices have gone up in the last 6 months alone
totally outrageous

>>4843031
what part of the country are you in?

>>4842746
Think this through for a second. Where would you even find data on CRT accidents and how would you evaluate it?
Because as far as I can see this argument about you never hearing about deaths is retarded. Of course you don't hear about these sorts of deaths. They don't announce deaths by falling coconut, or drowning in an upturned bucket either, and you can only find those statistics because it's so bizarre.
You can't say "tons of people crack these things open without hurting themselves" when you have no numbers to compare. You see some idiots on youtube do it, but nobody is going to upload the video if they fucking die.

>>4841436
tldr

>>4842908
Its happening all on the consoles i have tried it on. snes,n64,ps1,wii, etc. Im pretty sure its a problem of the tv.

>>4843094
East Texas

>>4841436

>an entire thread dedicated to the C runtime

but y tho

>>4841436

the snowflake of the month goes to none other than (YOU) :D

On the radiation levels:

http://arcadehacker.blogspot.com/2018/03/is-your-gaming-crt-exposing-you-to-xrays.html

>have inferior picture quality versus LCD
The opposite is the case. LCD's lag and produce screen tearing and blurring especially when scrolling fast in games or menus.

LCD's beat CRT with perfect geometry. CRT's beat LCD with their sheer luminosity.
Also CRT's are still being produced. You can order brand new 2018 manufactured arcade monitors. CRT's CAN have touchscreens. Lol at the radiation and all the other weirdness and nonsense you listed up there.

>they all took the bait
every time.

>>4843325

quite the optimist

>>4843325
not me btw

>>4843394
Yeah I'm a different anon. I just find it funny how people always reply to it in any thread.

>>4843313
>The opposite is the case. LCD's lag and produce screen tearing and blurring especially when scrolling fast in games or menus.

Latency has nothing to do with picture quality and tearing has nothing to do with the display technology but rather whatever is generating the video signal.

>>4842718
There's nothing to talk about.

>Look at this slot mask tube I got

>Look at this aperture grille tube I got

That's 99% of the non-troll posts here.

>>4843313
>Also CRT's are still being produced. You can order brand new 2018 manufactured arcade monitors.
No they aren't, you're just buying marked up old stock. Last CRT manufacturing plant was shut down a couple years ago.

>CRT's CAN have touchscreens.
Not really. They use a separate detector external to the screen. The technology isn't actually built into the screen itself.

>>4843417

Taiwan still produces large size arcade monitors.
They ship worldwide. Shoot them a mail and ask them if they are models produced this year. Let us know here if you "win". I said "cart's can have touch screens". You said they can have touch screens. Why the fuck am i wasting my time arguing with argue fags please?

>>4843417

I am not arguing with you, you giant waste of time.

I chained a PVM into another PVM and the second one needed the contrast at 80% to match.
Is this normal or should they both be the same?

Current setup
Thinking of adding a plant or dorthin.

>>4843139
Well I got a CRT that needs fixed and I'm gonna get to fixing it soon regardless. Because the bottom line is that everyone that tells you not to work on them because of the danger has never done so themselves, whereas everyone that says it's safe if you take the proper precautions has worked on them and they continue to do so regularly. I think I would rather trust the people that know what they're doing and follow their lead than throw out perfectly good sets that could be fixed. As long as you work with one hand and stick to the components you know are safe there's not much danger in it.

>>4843031
>>Would prefer to buy from someone who's used it for retro gaming but they'll probably go turbojew on the price

This. I got a 13" bvm for $120 shipped but it was in a "parts or repair" state. In reality, the e-tech recycling company knew nothing about the monitor, said the "overload" light would come on and it would power down immediately. Googling told me to turn down the brightness and contrast. I did and it's worked perfectly for 6 months or so. The key was lost so they couldn't access the internal adjustments, though a careful disassembly of the front trim let me disable the lock and access it.

I also got an 8" one listed as not working, in reality it worked fine but the seller didn't know a pvm won't have "static" when it's turned on. The black levels are black enough that they couldn't tell it was on. I think I paid like $35 shipped.

Pay attention to the descriptions and sometimes you can take a calculated gamble and win.

But you're correct, if you get a "retro gaming" one that is tested with pics of the geometry etc, you're going to pay a premium, probably at least 30% more than market value. If you do buy any used one on ebay, make sure it's one where you can buy the year replacement plan in case it goes tits up. I did that with higher dollar one I bought just in case.

Basically we are at a point where TV repairmen no longer exist. Learn to safely work on a CRT and learn how to solder and test components if you want to get the most life out of your unit in the future.

>>4843245
>Im pretty sure its a problem of the tv.

Could be, again, are you using good shielded cables? If you're using cheap cables, get at least one set of good cables and see if that helps. Some TVs are more susceptible to audio noise.

Or, like you said, just get some amplified external computer or home audio speakers.

>>4843641
>whereas everyone that says it's safe if you take the proper precautions has worked on them and they continue to do so regularly.

This is the key anon, you can work on them safely, just do it safely and you'll be fine. It's like mushroom hunters, there are old mushroom hunters, but there are no old bold mushroom hunters. Be smart and you'll be fine. As long as you properly discharge a CRT each time before you work on it, it's basically like cleaning an unloaded gun that you checked to make sure it's unloaded, it's just a piece of metal, circuitry and plastic.

>>4843663
>As long as you properly discharge a CRT each time before you work on it
I'd love to have that option but unfortunately my CRT is displaying defects that need to be corrected while the display is on. But that's why I'm taking my time getting to it and taking in every single piece of info I can for servicing it safely, in the end I think it will be fine.

>>4843670

Very true. Usually the adjustment knobs aren't super close to the high voltage stuff. If you're careful and understand what is actually high voltage and what isn't, there is little risk. You're doing the right thing in researching. I don't know how safe it makes you, but the old, keep one hand in your pocket trick is one I use, as well as non conductive tools.

My room situation. Where to put CRT?

My current room situation. Where to put CRT? Sitting on the sofa in front of my TV is currently really uncomfy for my back

Have yall heard anything good about the Dell P780 monitor? Apparently made by Sony but only VGA connection. I've been looking for alternatives since the only TVs around me are like 222 pounds

>>4842785
>Funny enough I saw a few months ago someone had SCART-modded that exact TV
Can you share us link?

If I have a crt with only rf connection will using a converter from a better source to the rf port make the picture better? or does the plug itself reduce the picture to rf quality?

Does anyone here know if you can use CSYNC RGB SCART cables on consumer CRT's or are they just supposed to be used on PVM's/BVMs and upscalers?

I'm asking because I read that csync cables tend to have an issue on certain sony trinitron TV's as well as csync damaging a consumer CRT in the long run.

>>4843781
I dunno, but pick up your goddamn controllers and cords off the floor, man. Shit bothers me.

>We will never get modern 1080p and 4K CRT monitors to experience high quality lagless vidyagames with because it's cheaper to get an LCD assembled by some chink kid than a CRT wich takes a man with a trade to do so.
I fucking hate this lads.
I also hate scalpers and want them to get fucked in the ass in the case CRTs see an industrial revival. Really, scalpers are the worst Jewish scum, next to most collectors. Thanks sainttimmy for leaking Zeddas 3.

>>4843552
If everything's calibrated perfectly to spec they should match, needing to compensate a bit for things like different age is normal.

>>4841436
You are a dumb nigger Anon, they radiate waves weaker than your Wi-Fi or fucking sunlight for that matter. It ain't going to give you cancer of any sorts.

>>4843954
nice blog

>>4842694
>>4842698
That looks like something you would find at a Melee or Project M tournament. If I were you, I would try to convice the salesman to sell it to you for 40$ and you can get yourself one slick screen.

>>4843970
Cancerous Radiation Tubs leak a nonzero amount of beta, x-ray, and UV

>>4842163
>>4842191
>Beyond fucked
anon, please. These are very doable fixes and your set is far from "beyond gone". Fixing convergence and focus are of course the simplest. For adjusting the yoke, you really don't need to be that worried. Check out this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzdZZbI1BzU

Not sure if you're on a PVM but most every CRT will have similar looking components. Like he says in the video, just turn off and make small adjustments, then turn back on and repeat until straight. You can also check his videos on convergence if you haven't already fixed it. The only real dangerous parts are the flyback and anode cap, but past that it really isn't that dangerous. Also just reiterating, CRTs CANNOT electrocute you to death.

>>4844004
Proof?

>>4844047
In the sun, your skull passes enough red light to read a book.

>>4844032
The really dangerous bits are the big capacitors in the power supply. Those carry decent voltage and BIG current compared to the HV stuff.

Touch one of those when it's charged and you've got problems.

>>4844058
How is that bad?

>>4844063
It may be good, reacting with plant nutrients in your blood to do good stuff, or it would if you ate that kind of stuff, which you probably don't since you're on this board.

>>4844073
Sick nonargument, bro. Is that the same logic you use to BTFO dem liberals?

>>4844085

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mjf2pg4MFQ

>>4842309
>CRTVs

Anyway, the appeal of scanlines for me is the anti-aliasing-esque effects. They prevent the blocky, emulator look and soften edges. Also 13 inch monitors definitely have scanlines, anything smaller like 8" and under will lack visible lines. They don't improve the image quality per se, they just enhance an otherwise jagged one. No scanlines just looks a bit harsh. I don't think they add any depth, or anyone would even argue that somehow. I think it works especially well for early 5th gen 3D as consoles like the Saturn/PS1 feature jagged models and low res textures. Someone's size preference is a personal thing I would imagine. For me, I stick with Component, as having the sharp image in the first place is why I like them. Scanlines are not impacted by the video connection if that's what you're asking.

>>4844131
Yuji Naka designed his graphics specifically for composite or rf video reeeeeeeeee

Saw these poor fellows out back behind my local Toys R Us which is in its death throes. These have probably been tucked away inside somewhere since the place was built. Too bad they were in rough shape.

I'm thinking of getting a plasma for 480p on 6th gen consoles and 720p on PS3/360 as well as Blu-rays or movies on USB/SDcard.

I have heard that there are 9 generations of Plasma.
What are the major improvements or features from each generation and how can I tell what generation a Plasma TV is?

Should I get a 720p or 1080p plasma?
Does 720p image look worse on 1080p plasma?
Does 480p image look better on 720 or 1080 plasma?
Does 240p image look better on 720 or 1080 plasma?

It seems like only 50" or larger plasmas can be 1080p and many smaller plasmas are not even 720p.
I think I should ignore all plasmas less than 720p because they are low generation and have bad image processing and burn-in.

>>4841436
It's how the developers intended the games should be seen.

did I post this yet? getting into shmups so I thought I'd try a tate setup. still needs geo adjustments, obviously. (yo how do I safely adjust the pots while the monitor is powered on? Or do I just discharge, adjust, power on until I get it right?)

>>4844330
>that trackball
Holy shit I used the exact same one back in the late '90s.

>>4843850
>ly rf connection will using a converter from a better source to the rf port make the picture better? or does th

This is a guess. I'd assume you might get a slightly better picture if your rf converter is better than that in the console itself. The problem is though, once you combine all the data/signals, you've essentially limited the bandwidth/data space so your picture will deteriorate into rf quality.

In other words, once you combine all the separate color/sync/luminosity signals into one there will be reduced quality. The only gains you might get by converting to RF just before the console would be only from less crosstalk on the lines over their length, but the difference would probably be so minimal that you would only see the difference with an oscilloscope.

So in a guessing conclusion, you'll not see any difference unless you are an oscilloscope. Once it's RF, it's RF.

As a PVMeme and BVMeme owner as well as several composite TVs, I prefer playing NES on my RF only TV. Up until 16 bit the gains from composite or component is there but not the end of the world. Don't get me wrong, RF to composite is a huge leap, but RF is perfectly playable.

>>4843868
>CSYNC RGB SCART cables on consumer CRT's or are they just supposed to be used on PVM's/BVMs and upscalers?

Unless you're euro, the only reason to use scart cables on a non rgb/scart tv is that they are pre-made. I use them on PVMs, but the other use I have is going into a retrotek rgb scart to component adapter.

Basically it's cheaper to use one RGB scart to YUV/component converter than putting a converter in each console.

I don't know if csync can damage a consumer TV, but going through something like a retrotek puts the levels at the correct level for consumer tvs.

Scart is a huge rabbithole to go down, you don't need to go down it, but if you do, realize you can do it slowly. If you have a component tv, you can always do like I did and buy a retrotek and slowly convert to RGB on consoles. At this point, you would never have to go further unless you wanted to, if you do want to, the next step would be getting rgb capable monitors and removing the retrotek in between the console and monitor/tv.

>>4844131
After further examination and study of scanlines I have determined they definitely increase the depth of an image, and to a greater extent than their free antialiasing feature. Just look at the dude I posted above. Look at the utility pouches on his jacket and his kneepads. They look flat without scanlines and round with scanlines. Or look at the boats in the image to the left. Without scanlines they appear to be too close to Ryu, left boat doesn't even look like it's in the water. With scanlines they look to be farther back in the water.

There is no reason why this depth increasing effect of scanlines shouldn't ocurr on 3D games like Tomb Raider because, nota bene, "3D" images are still physically 2D unless they are on a 3DS or Occulus Rift. Furthermore, whether the depth increasing effect of scanlines is concrete or merely an optical illusion is of no importance because either way they increase the quality of the gaming experience.

Scanlines get more visible as you move up in signal quality. You will not see scanlines on a 13" CRTV on composite. On 32" and higher CRTVs the scanlines are very bold even on composite.
I don't like PVMs because their scanlines are so intense you have to sit farther back to avoid the "image gone through a paper shredder" look. I haven't tried a Commodore/Amiga monitor; I've heard they sit between PVMs and CRTVs in sharpness.

PC VGA CRT monitors actually have scanlines if you set them way below their max res. For example most such monitors are 1024x768 maximum and if you set them to their minimum 640x480 you will see narrow scanlines which feel pleasing and comfy.

Unless you are playing flat games like Tetris or Atari 2600 games with no backgrounds, you must play 240p games with scanlines or suffer a flattened, degraded image.

>>4844032
Thank you anon. While I have a consumer set and not a PVM, I hope to get it fixed and squared away pretty soon so I can finally play the games I want to on it.

>>4844483
let us know how it goes

>>4844501
Oh yeah I forgot to ask though, do you happen to know what's up with the waviness in the upper lefthand corner in the reference pic >>4842163 ? Is that a yoke issue too or something separate? It doesn't look like it falls under geometry

What is the difference between PVM and BVM?
Does the BVM have a narrower electron beam or higher dot pitch?

CRT question maybe one of you can answer.
I found a crt same brand and model as the one I have, except this one rings like a bell whenever there is a loud noise. My dog barks and you can hear the tv tube vibrate.
Never heard a crt do this.

What settings in the service menu of my xbr910 can I mess with to fix the Dynamic convergence

>>4844514
ask kya

One from the cringe compliation.

>>4844649

>>4844561
BVMs are broadcast grade
usually more TV lines, different phosphor
they require input cards to take in signals
>>4844579
sounds like sympathetic vibration, probably some piece inside is cracked and allowing something else to vibrate

>>4843031
Tell me your location and I will find something for you.

Any suggestions?
>>4843781

>>4844727
get a 14" and put it on that little table where your laptop is

>>4843268
CRT pickings for Dallas

PC monitors

Good
>https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/sys/d/17-proview-monitor/6611269602.html
A generic PC CRT. Most likely supports up to 1280x1024@85 hz. Not a Trinitron. But still RGB and still good.
>https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/sys/d/envision-en-775e-16-monitor/6592529748.html
Another generic PC CRT.
>https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ele/d/15-compaq-mv520-crt-monitor/6608853748.html
Small and old. Shaders will look good on it.

Best choice
>https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/sys/d/20-sony-trinitron-crt/6617047766.html
21" Trinitron is hard to come by these days. They'll come way down on the $200. I'd say $50 will get it. If they don't take it try to wait them out. It has worked for me before.

Televisions

Good
https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/fuo/d/38-hd-television-set-free/6618914328.html
Big 38" RCA HD CRT Television. Good for all mannner of things. Read past CRT threads to get an idea of what these can do /vr/ wise. Fairly uncommon these days compared to the Wega line.
>https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/vgm/d/vintage-samsung-gx-gxecrt/6600664035.html
GX TVs were marketed as gaming TVs and have nice pictures on them, but composite only in this case.
>https://dallas.craigslist.org/sdf/ele/d/toshiba-32-inch-crt/6606540011.html
Good size and potential s-video set
>https://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/ele/d/toshiba-vhs-dvd-combination/6595992461.html
probably s-video, price will go down
>https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/zip/d/television/6594197724.html
small, free. Nice look. Good candidate for experimentation with RGB conversion

vintage
>https://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/atq/d/mid-century-console-television/6593622417.html
excellent all around
https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/fuo/d/free-old-console-television/6608089625.html
so nice looking, but doesn't work. A good project
>https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/atq/d/antique-television/6604572301.html
another good console television

>>4844732
I have considered moving the cabinet with the TV closer to the sofa in front of the small table, but it is slightly taller than eye level.

>>4844742
more

>https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ele/d/sony-36-crt-television/6587544703.html
Probably the best television on there. It's a Trinitron. It's 4:3. It's not HD. It has component input. It's huge. What more could you want?

more
https://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/zip/d/27-inch-panasonic-tv-still/6594945727.html

How the fuck do I move a CRT?

>>4844771
with ur arms

I have an awesome 34 Trinitron with a shit ton of connections and great sound, its 4:3, but it's HD and doesn't do scanlines.

What would be the best use for it?

>>4844778
don't do this it creates mustard gas

>>4844771
But seriously I would recommend bringing a friend to help you carry one. Either that or use a flatbed kart.

>>4844786
Is it viable to hire professional movers?

>>4844330
Composite video makes a bigger difference. The free transparency trick works on an LCD with composite video.

>>4844803
I mean I guess you could. It sounds kinda odd though. How big is this tv anon?

>>4844814
An absolute unit. We hired some dudes to move a piano once from a few kilometres away and it costed almost a thousand bucks. Will a CRT cost little to move?

>>4844825
I have no idea what it would cost.But I think you and one other person could easily move a tv that size.Plus then you don't have to pay anyone.

>>4844782
Ps2, Xbox and dvd's

>>4844427
thanks, I'll get a composite converter anyway. I want to play gamecube and playstation stuff on it.

>>4844782
Watching television, movies, or games in HD 4:3 ratio.

>>4844473

Thanks for posting this anon, it's good discussion like this that adds a lot to the crt thread.

I pretty much prefer scanlines on retro and anything pre ps3. It's kind of almost an intangible thing, but I feel they do add a lot to the image. You've done a good job analysing and putting to words some aspects of scanlines.

I have a 13" BVM that has very minimal scanlines (they are there though) and I've started to prefer how it looks on some games, others I like a larger setup with more visible scanlines.

Just look at the headband in the image you posted, the left looks ok, but the headband on the right looks better shaded, less flat and more like fabric.

>>4844561
>What is the difference between PVM and BVM?

To me, BVM looks a bit better on color reproduction and generally a bit higher grade. One downside of BVM is that most don't come with speakers so you will have to use an external setup. PVM speakers are usually mono and suck, so you'll still probably want to use external speakers there too.

>>4844825
>An absolute unit.

That looks like a 27" TV. Unless you are undergoing chemo or something you should be able to easily carry it with a friend. It can't weigh more than 100 lbs.

>>4844782
you can force scanlines with a scanline generator

>>4844047
Not him, but what do you mean proof? CRT's emit Xrays, this is known, google it your fucking self. The doses from a set from the early 1980's onwards are negligible, and the commonly cited stat is that you get more ionising radiation eating a banana than from a month spent in front of a CRT tube at intended viewing distance. This is mostly due to the leaded glass introduced around then, but also partly due to the x-ray protection circuitry on any chassis that limits the maximum brightness of the image.

>>4844938


I thought of doing that, is it worth it? The TV has no VGA input, how would I go about it?

>>4844561
The dot pitch on a BVM can go higher, depends on the model. Some older 20" BVM's have 600TVL, some newer have 1000TVL. They have higher-grade phosphors and normally weigh 50% -75% more than a PVM of the same size, and tend to have more controls, or just more options in the service menu. They're more reliable and less likely to suffer yoke movement or image problems over time.

>>4844970
They also look worse for 240p in some people's opinions (including mine).

>>4844950
https://hometheaterhifi.com/volume_6_1/dvdoiscan.html

https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=52446

>if you REALLY want to use composite, look for an iScan Plus unit. Right now there are two v2 units on ebay.com for around $60, but sometimes they're around $35-40. These work well with 240p signals and output in 480p which you need to use a SLG unit.

Does anyone use an amp to connect all their consoles to their TV? If so what do you use. I am currently using pic related.

>>4845063
Those are called receivers, and no. I already have a pretty modern system that doesn't accept composite/svideo in. thankfully it has one composite audio in though, so I can connect it through my output on my tv.
Those are pretty good though, but some people might say theres minor latency going from that to your tv.

>>4844842
>anon in charge of not having to pay for someone to spend time with them

>>4845063
I use one of these. I was thinking about getting an RCA switcher because it only has one RCA input.

>>4844340
Adjusting pots is as easy as it sounds. No risk or anything, you just need whats required to adjust. Some pots are twistable with fingers, others like on PVMs are tiny and require a small flathead. I assume yours would feature the latter, as its a professional monitor but I've never owned an Ikegami.

>>4844473
Really interesting rebuttal, never even thought of this! I honestly kind of see it, nothing extreme but definitely there.

Speaking of Amiga monitors, here's my 1080's lines through RGB. Definitely would say they're some of the best scanlines I've seen, not too dark or too light, really nice middle ground.

>>4845532
>Adjusting pots is as easy as it sounds.
yup yup yup, just keep your other hand clear, read the labels on the pot clearly, and if you're not sure what happens when you twist something, set it back the way it was :)

Sup /crt/ bros.
I saw a few displays available locally, looks like in decent condition.
Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 920 - around 20 USD
Compaq P910 - used to be part of color reference setup, looks like rebadged Diamond Pro - 12 USD
Samsung SyncMaster 959nf - looks like a diamondtron tube, no idea is this one any good tho - 15 USD
Sony GDM-400PS - 10 USD
Which display is worth checking first?

>>4845891
Buy/hoard them all

>>4845891
>Samsung SyncMaster 959nf - looks like a diamondtron tube
It is a Diamondtron. The Natural Flat series all used Mitsubishi aperture grille tube technology, while the DynaFlat models had Samsung's own flat Invar shadowmask which was also used in a few Viewsonics including the G90f which I own and is a great little monitor.

From that lot I'd prioritise overall condition before small differences in spec. They're all "good enough" but a fucked one is pretty much fucked forever.

>>4845063
I'm using a Joytech AV control Center 2, and outputting the audio to a stereo amp in the cabinet.
For my other setups, I use a simple SCART switcher, again outputting the audio to a stereo amp.
The problem with A/V receiver is that they will only accept Composite and S-Video inputs, and I don't have that many of systems limited to these.

WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU GET REASONABLY PRICED PVMS
OR AT LEAST RGB CAPABLE CONSUMER CRTS

>>4841293
I purchased a 8045 recently with a Wii and component hooked up to it everything is good but the picture is slightly cut off at the left hand corner anyway to fix this?

>>4846203
>The problem with A/V receiver is that they will only accept Composite and S-Video inputs, and I don't have that many of systems limited to these.
I've got a Marantz receiver from early 2000's that accepts everything from composite to HDMI, including 3 component. It even converts like signals (can convert between composite, svideo and SD component, and hd component and HDMI) if you wanted that.

>>4846407
Sounds like you are in rural America, so find your local affluent neighborhood and check Craigslist for the high end crt's of the 2000's which accept component, mathematically identical to rgb.

>>4844676
Thanks
I m going to open and take a look for the crack.
Probably the people who put it outside dropped it.

I have a CRT TV with a dark splotch in the upper left corner that is most visible on the blue screen that shows when nothing is plugged in.
It looks like pic related.
I have seen other CRTs with the same problem, sometimes in more than one corner.

Is this caused by:

a. Warped shadowmask caused by overheating from high constrast settings -unfixable

b. Magnetic distortion caused by speakers or other nearby magnets nearby -fixable with a degaussing coil

c. Colour error caused by misaligned purity yoke -fixable by taking off the back and adjusting the neck of the CRT

pvm 20l1 being sold in my area for 100 bucks, is it worth the pick up?

>that feel when trying to get perfect geometry on a curved screen

Why did I ever learn about geometry and service menus.

>>4846482
You've also got some super noticeable pincushioning going on as well

>>4846482
Hit that service menu amigo

>>4846992
I fix that it the aspect ratio was just off
>>4847204
I don't think 8045 pvm has one.

>>4841293

>>4846929
it's why I stopped using my CRTs, it's impossible and not worth wasting time on

I recently got this CRT for free with an atari. It has a lot of controls and is pretty neat. I like the pane of glass in front. I thought half of the games weren't working right until I realized the CRT let me adjust the vertical tracking and then I felt like an idiot.

>>4847302
The shutter on my phone made it a bit difficult to take a picture but taking a still from a video seemed to work alright.

>>4846482
you can shift the image horizontally in most wii emulator options. You can also change the horizontal position in the wii system settings

>>4847332
Thanks I forgot they can do that.

>>4847316
Tried out my PS1 and it's nice.

What's the consensus on a Viewsonic G810? I have a consumer Trinitron for 240p/480i but need something for 480p so I am going the VGA route.

>>4846929
stop looking at test patterns and play your games

>>4847446
Relatively low end for a 21", so not ideal for high res PC stuff, , but more than enough for sharp 480p. 21" is kinda too big for desk use at that resolution though IMO

>>4845430
I have two sescoms on my headamp. work great.

>>4847934

>>4847962
wew

Is a DVI or other digital port ALWAYS a tell for a display with digital processing that adds latency? Or not in all cases / inputs? I mean, some pro monitors have SDI ports that are digital. But it seems like if a consumer set has DVI or HDMI, it's garbo, even if it is 4:3 aspect.

>>4847962
>>4847963
>>>/v/

I don't know where else to ask this, how do TFT displays compare to CRT TVs?

>>4848040
my xbr800 has dvi and I don't notice any issues

>>4848040
It's not explicitly the fact that it's digital that causes issues, rather the things that come along with it.

The digital inputs on PVMs/BVMs go through a DAC to be displayed onto the monitor, which takes nearly no time at all.
The digital conversion done by a basic DP or HDMI->VGA adapter is on the same sort of level, it's simply turning the signal from digital to analog for the display to properly handle; Which is a very minuscule delay, and honestly works fantastically well in most situations, barring some hardware incompatability from HDCP or otherwise.

The reason why digital inputs are seen as negative on consumer sets is because there is more than JUST a digital to analog conversion going on. There is also scaling and processing going on, which can both change how the resulting picture looks (both for the better and worse) but also introduces a much more sizable delay of up to a few frames rather than fractions of a frame. Additionally, if you're feeding analog to one of these sets, it actually gets passed through an ADC(Analog to Digital Conversion), processed and then back out of a DAC for display. It's these added steps that make digital inputs on consumer gear a warning sign as opposed to just an additionally input. If there were a way to easily bypass ALL of this processing sans the DAC, and simply use a consumer set as an (almost) lagless 1080i locked set(the actual resolution most consumer HDCRTs are running), they'd be great for it.

>>4848181
XBR800 definitely does have a couple frames lag from the scaling.

>>4848231
Not if you feed it native 1080i

best crt ever

Do you think a man could make some money by finding 13" televisions for next to nothing at yard sales and thrift stores, adding RGB input to them, and then reselling them on ebay?

>>4848509
According to tests done by people in the past it does have 1-2 frames of lag even when fed native 1080i.

>>4848532
Fuck you.

>>4848576
why the hostility, anon?

just got this pvm off craigslist and I'm not sure. it looks a little dim and oversharp, did I get a bad one or something?

>>4848783
yeah it looks shitty and dim

>>4848783
Are you connected via composite video? If so then the video may be a bit blurry and dim.

Did you turn up the brightness and contrast?

>>4848783
>oversharp
lol that's what they are supposed to look like

>4848783
>uneven stretching
>emulator scanlines
don't fall for the bait

>>4848824
no it's with the rgb. how do I turn up the brightness/contrast? here's a different pic.
>>4848828
okay but is there a way to make the scanlines smaller?

>>4848576
If they were just flipping them, you'd be pretty on point, but if they're actually modding them and performing some work on them, I think that's completely valid. No different than someone actually searching out a modder to pay for that sort of work.

That said

>>4848532
Shipping will kill you. Even if you do pick them up for a dollar a pop, and put in say, $5-10 in modding each one (just a random number), the cost of properly packaging it up and shipping it is going to move the price you'll need to charge up too high for what you'll likely be selling.

You would be much better off trying to do something locally, at least to start, to test the waters and get an idea of exactly how much work/difficulty you'll have in doing various mods on whatever sets you manage to find and as to whether there would even be a market for it.

>>4848840
>okay but is there a way to make the scanlines smaller?

Kek. No, it's the nature of the beast.

>>4848840
>how do I turn up the brightness/contrast?
with the brightnes and contrast knobs? what model is this PVM? I can't believe I am having to explain this.

>>4848849
Shipping on a 13" CRT shouldn't be too bad. Via UPS I have shipped them for about $30 in the past. But I'm not sure if people would pay over about $50 for a modded 13" tv when they could just buy a PVM.

>>4848849
you would probably be more profitable importing a container of euro crts.
>>4848910
it's bait, he is using a pc crt, but I'm pretty sure the pics are repost (the toejam I'm sure it is)

>>4848905
it's bait, he is using a pc crt, but I'm pretty sure the pics are repost (the toejam I'm sure it is)
not deletin

>>4848783
>dim and blury
kys

CRT comic: https://imgur.com/gallery/lmfeCdh

Any request?

>>4849097
stand to the right of the ship

>>4849103
Is this good?

>>4849106
not right enough, but its right enough.

>>4849114
I can do any game from wii's retroarch so ask away.

I notice on the back of my pvm there is a N10 and beta switch what does that mean?

BVM8045QD for $180. Good? Bad?

>>4849178
I've paid 155$ for mine but yeah that's around average price, what do you plan to play on it?

>>4848229
Good info, that's what I figured, that the input suggests all that extra steps being taken on the analog inputs. I suppose a 15khz mode like 240p is not normally possible on those sets, but I wonder if it could be something modded in, like what some people are doing to add RGB inputs to consumer sets.
>>4849106
>>4849124
I could never ever get retroarch on wii to output the correct fucking resolution for some reason, there was always some kind of scaling artifact going on like NN. Can't tell from your pics. I always defaulted back to the 'GX' emulators instead, which have a one-and-done "original" video setting for 240p. I'd suggest giving snes9x GX a shot (once you buy a component cable, lol)

>>4849216
Wait aren't I using component how can you tell? I could help with the scaling issues if you want me to.

>>4841293

>>4849213
I don't have anything in mind. But I do have plenty of retro games and I'm looking at ordering SCART outputs. I don't think the TB comes with SCART. How did you hook up SCART to it?

>>4849229
Wii with retroarch.

>>4841436
kys

>>4849229
Dude all that collecting vr does is stupid just find a modded wii with put retroarch on it then you are ready to go.

>>4849056
the actual fuck

>>4849178
Be warned I had to go through 2 Duds to find a pvm with no problems

>>4849240
What do you mean by dud?

>>4849245
Well really just one its had burn in the other one was 250p despite it being listed as a 450p monitor. And I wasn't going to bother sending them back. I can tell you though that it was worth it.

>>4849178
>$180 for a 8" screen
this meme has gone too far. It is not "comfy". It's too fucking small. I don't give a shit if you live in a dorm, your car, or on a god damned submarine. It's too small to seriously play video games on, and too big to be used as a portable, unless you tote it around and set it up on a table, and in that case you should use a 13" model.

>>4849251
CRT prices are only going to go up. Especially since a lot of people are aware of CRTs now. Five years from now it might be $500.

>>4849251
I hate big crts the 8045 is the perfect pvm m8

>>4849256
Even with high prices an 8" PVM will never be a good choice. They're only buying it because of the name. At that screen size RGB is pointless. Get a consumer 13" CRT with component for a fraction of the price and you will have a better CRT for playing games.

>>4849260
THE best PVM is actually the PVM 2530. They hit the sweet spot in almost every category. And I have seen the whole gamut of pro monitors, and owned most of them. None were as pleasing as the cube 2530. Only problem is getting one in good shape since a lot of them had rough post-professional lives.

>>4849278
How do you luge that shit around I like my pvm because it will only be used by me but I guess if you plan to play it with family then you some what have a point.

>>4849289
I pick up and move it with my arms because it weighs less than a bag of dog food. what kind of weakling are you? And I don't need to move it often anyway.

>>4849251

I agree, I got a "non working" that actually worked the seller just didn't understand that you don't see static when you turn it on. I ended up paying $35 shipped for it.

It's ridiculously tiny, but I have found one thing it excels at, playing gameboy and other handheld games. You have to have it right in front of you, but it's nice, and obviously you have to be using a super gameboy or emulation to do so.

I mainly use it on my test bench and have taken it to my mom's house when I stayed there for a weekend. You're right, they are too small to be really useful, just kind of nice collector piece. 13" is honestly the smallest useful one, I use mine to play next to my bed about 3 feet away. Anything further than that and even a 13" would be too small. I'd imagine a 13" would be great for a desk setup in a small apartment or dorm room, but let's be serious, a college student has no need for a desktop pvm/bvm, they should be playing switch on a flat screen, or gaming on a computer.

>>4849283
>2k
Naw probably not, at that price I would just try to get a BVM-D24E1.
I just like the 8045 because it checks all the boxes for 5th gen which are the only things I'm interested to play on crts the rest I would just play on a regular 4k TV it would probably even look better.
>>4849291
I just hate stuff that uses too much space but I guess to each it's own didn't mean to trash talk your TV though my bad

>>4849283
Hey just realized those are the ones they used to show in the Sega commercials right?

Are there any PVMs that accept Sync on Green? Or do you always need a separate sync cable for RGB.

>>4849317
I don't know what you mean by that but these are all you need for rgb

>>4849317
My model, the 14N6U, has an option for it in the service menu. I'd assume other PVMs of the same era have it as an option.

>>4841293

>>4849332
What console is that coming from?

>>4849309
Are you implying a PVM 2530 costs $2000? Because they are nowhere near that expensive outside of ridiculous ebay prices. If you want one you have to look through surplus auctions or perhaps track one down through a forum user with too many CRTs on his hands. They are one of the most common PVMs, no reason they should cost you a grand. I would not pay over $300 for one, and that would have to be a mint unit.

>>4849317
>Are there any PVMs that accept Sync on Green?
Yes, several of them. You'll have to look up by unit.

>>4849443
>They are one of the most common PVMs
I don't know about that. As someone who's been scouring every surplus auction site I could find, the only PVMs that I've encountered were medical/security ones.

>>4849415
Wii

>>4849478
2530's were used in video production, you have to look into that industry.

>>4848509
It does. Everything goes through the same scaling process, even 1080i, it resyncs everything to its own vertical clock.

>>4849497
How do you get the Wii to do sync on green?

If I'm considering buying another CRT do I have a problem?

>>4849542
I just clicked the 2 buttons line rgb and a/b rgb

>>4849332
That's not even RGB. You're using YPbPr. You need a sync signal for RGB

>>4849553
>tfw constant regret over only getting 1 pvm when I had a chance to get 2
Don't be like me, anon, get the tv.

>>4849565
How do I do that?

Hi /crt/,

I am looking for some advice to capture footage from my PVM setup. At the moment I am running a BNC RGB-SCART breakout cable into a gscartsw, which all of my consoles are connected to.

Considering my gscartsw has both SCART and VGA outputs, I'm hoping I could get a male-to-male SCART cable and connect the SCART output to a cheap SCART-HDMI converter (such as this: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F152978316757).). From the SCART-HDMI converter I'd connect a basic HDMI capture card.

Would this work? If so, any particular suggestions for what SCART-HDMI converter or cap card I should purchase? With the converter I linked above, I'm concerned about how it will deal with outputting the signal into 720p. Would it just add black bars to the sides of the image? Or stretch the original 480i signal?

I'm not too concerned about having amazing quality, it's just to record some footage for a few projects and maybe stream for my friends from time to time. Thanks in advance to anyone who could assist me.

>>4849236
Thanks for late response! :-)

>>4849554
The monitor is fine, how do you make the Wii do it? AFAIK it only does RGBs

>>4849583
Note most cheapo SCART to HDMI boxes only work with a composite signal, ignoring the RGB part of SCART. If all the consoles cables you've got use composite as sync you can still use it, quality won't be amazing, but hey, it works. You could also go directly into many cheapo capture cards just running a BNC to RCA cable from your monitor's Sync Out jack to the composite input of the stick/card.

The cheapo upscalers generally will just stretch everything to widescreen, and interpret any 240p input as 480i, you can fix those with settings in OBS though, restoring the proper aspect ratio and using the "retro" deinterlace option to reconstruct proper 240p.

>>4849553
I have two PVMs, yet I still sometimes start feeling like I need another one. Too bad they're not as cheap and easy to get as they were when I got mine.

Guys, I already asked once, now I need more details. My parents still have an old philips crt, tried it this morning it works. I want to connect it to my pc to play games with retroarch because I don't have any console for a long time. How can I connect it? CRT is composite I think (only yellow cable in). My video card has vga, dvi and tv out slots but I'm not sure if there is a tv out/composite cable in existence. What do? Sorry for my bad american.

>>4849863
Is the TV out on your card the 7 pin connector? If so, can get one of these https://www.ebay.com/itm/30cm-7-Pin-S-video-Mini-Din-Male-to-RCA-Female-Adapter-Connecter-Converter-Cable/161987684851?hash=item25b737e9f3:g:WsoAAOSwWTRWxn2N

Post pics of the ports on the card and the back of the TV

>>4849894
I'm not at my parents anymore so I can't take a picture of a tv, but I checked it has only composite yellow port and antenna. No red and white, no rgb and no tv out. Like in the first picture. Second one is videocard.

>>4849863
>>4849905
Found this. How bad will it be if I connect it to a tv with another cable?

>>4841293
Testing 1....2.....3....

>>4849750
Go on emulation wiki and softmod your wii.

>>4850034
What are you hoping to achieve with that cable?

It won't fit your video card btw.

HP GDM9012 SPOTTED

>>4850147
I want to connect it to my pc and then with another cable connect it to the tv. Because I can't find vga/male composite cables.

>>4850162
It won't fit your pc though. You need one with the proprietary Mini-DIN to fit your video card. The cable you posted is a standard 4 pin S-Video with Luna and Chroma signals combined for a composite output.

What make and model is your video card? There should be a suitable breakout cable/box available but be aware that you'll only be able to get interlaced output, no 240p.

Any good reviewers/let's players that have the CRT feel in their videos?
Like Classic Game Room
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA1u0YLyhAo
and early Game Grumps

is an emerson crt like pic related any good?

>>4849863
>GDM9012
A hacked Wii will provide a true 240p picture and is the simplest way to go about it.

>>4849863
A hacked Wii will provide a true 240p picture and is the simplest way to go about it.

>>4850247
Yes, it's fine for someone who just wants to get into CRTs. Don't pay over $40.

>>4849905
>>4850034
That composite port is intended for a digital camera to feed photos to the TV through.

This CRT is a poor choice. Find something else.

>>4849787
>>4849553
I have about 20 right now. I've owned around 50 in my lifetime. You're asking the wrong people when too much is too much.

>>4850256
i just want something to play snes games on, i recently went to my parent's house and dug the console out with a whole bunch of games

>>4850264
It will be good for that.

>>4841293
>tfw no shrek crt

>>4849278
I just got that exact one yesterday, I really like it so far

What are the color capabilities of CRT monitors? Do they support 10-bit color? What about HDR?

>>4850302
always with the Neo
always with the Metal Slug

>s-video

>>4850495
i like run-n-gun games.

Super C for NES for example was a game i played to death and back as a kid. even when rusty as hell i can still pick it up and do a no-death run in about 20 minutes.

>>4850485
>Do they support 10-bit color?
Yes, but there are challenges to getting it working. The easiest way is to use an Nvidia Quadro GPU.
>What about HDR?
Yes.
No.

The answer is complicated. HDR is a marketing term that can mean a lot of things. CRTs don't have hardware support for conventional HDR as a feature you might find on a modern 4k TV. But they can display higher dynamic ranges than a non-HDR LCD display, and there are ways to take advantage of HDR video on a CRT.

>>4849574
Use a SCART to BNC cable and plug the sync into where it says external sync. Component video is fine, but RGB is still slightly better. I don't think the NTSC wii outputs RGB without modding

>>4850497
>>>/v/

OKAY

Today through -lots- of fuckery with Nvidia control panel I was able to set 1440x1080i as my display resolution and successfully synced my Hitachi Superscan Elite 20 to interlaced mode. The image does not quite fill the screen because of a not quite right porch or sync width setting, but I am not fucking with it any more.

I ran RetroArch on it with shaders enabled and integer scaling.

Result: Excellent.

I detected no annoying flickering (although I could see it in my desktop so I knew it was interlaced mode). No combing artifacts with fast motion. No issues at all. Looked identical to progressive mode.

SO

now the next step is for someone with an HD CRT television like a Sony Wega to duplicate my experiment and confirm the result. If I am right, and I think I will be, the result will be an image which looks very, very good and should compare extremely favorable to real 240p RGB.

Is a kv-27fv300 worth $30?

>>4851128
If there's nothing else near you. It's one of the best consumer sets you can get

>might have to get rid of some TV's to make room for better ones
How many crts is too many?

>>4851128
>29" tube
>component input
>15khz
>Trinitron

It ticks every check box for being a top tier gaming CRT. You'd be a fool to pass it.

>>4851215
when they are getting in the way its too many

t. man with seven CRTs in his bedroom

>>4850996
How are you hooking this up to the tv? Jrok?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-BVM8045QD-COLOR-MONITOR-RETRO-GAMING-/283005804436?nav=SEARCH
Tell me why I shouldn't buy this

>>4851417
It's 8". It's too small to actually do anything with.

>>4851326
You'd go straight from a graphics card to the TV, no JROK needed. Late era 1080i CRT HDTVs have DVI and HDMI.

>>4851438
extra note: you wouldn't have to go to the extent I would with custom resolutions because when you connect a GPU to a HDTV it automatically detects the display is 1080i compatible and lets you select it with no issues.

>>4851431
That just means it's especially kawaii~~
It does RGB right?

>>4851417

Because it's fucking retardedly overpriced. You should be able to get an RGB capable 8" for around $50 shipped. If you're not seeing one, just wait a week or two. It's a descent PVM (though almost unusably small) but that one is terribly overpriced. You should be able to get a 13" PVM for that if you watch.

I'm a big dumb dumb, how can i tell if my tv is crt? It's a little 12" fella w/ a built in vcr, called the 'Quasar videoviewer'. It's heavy and has a big back to it, does that mean it's crt? Also sorry for not retro

>>4851879
no, that's an LCD

>>4850057
Still doesn't do RGsB. Only RGBs, or YPbPr

>>4851898
Looks more like a back projection plasma tube to me.

Does it have YMC inputs?

>>4851879
ffs anon, you coulda found the answers yourself with some googling. But yes that is a CRT.

>>4851952
Idk what ymc is but the only inputs are the a/v on the front and vhf on the back

>>4851961
Now I'm getting mixed messages. I looked up the manual and found this, what's a deflection picture tube?

Is this worth getting for 50 maplebucks?
It looks different than the PVMs people post here, I don't know if it it 15Khz, 31 Khz, or something else.

https://vancouver.craigslist.ca/bnc/ele/d/21-inch-professional-monitor/6598717094.html

What is the serial port for?
What is the signal A port for?
What is "COMP. HD"?
What is VD?
When to use 75 ohms vs 1K ohms?

>>4841436
Can't play Duckhunt on a fucking LCD, faggot

>>4852035
Can't find a proper spec sheet, but I presume it's 31kHz and up, no 15kHz.

The serial port will be for calibration/service menu stuff, probably don't need to touch it.

Signal A looks like a standard VGA port.

COMP/HD = combined sync or vertical sync.

75 ohm if using a sync signal following video standards, 1k for TTL levels as used by most computers.

>>4849283
>THE best PVM is actually the PVM 2530
Enjoy manually adjusting geometry on your 110 pound boat anchor.

Best PVM for overall functionality is the 20L5. Best for aesthetic value is the 1390 followed by the 127x/137x series.

>>4852035
the only reason to get that is if you're very serious about retro pc games. it's going to have a much softer look than a more modern vga monitor but as far as 90's monitors go it's quite good. it's 96khz and 0.28mm dot pitch apparently, so you could do better with a modern vga but it's going to give games that authentic 90's look while still having access to a wide range of resolutions.

>>4849863
well you should obviously try tv-out first with some kind of adapter. If you can't find any, your best bet is a vga->composite cable but you won't have sound so you'll also have to use external speakers with your TV

>>4852413
I actually am into old DOS games.
By softer do you mean this monitor has a lower dot pitch than a more modern VGA PC CRT?
What do you think is the min and max res for this strange BNC cable monitor?

Dug up an old crt, the black right border of the screen is a bit messed up though, it sort of bleeds out too much.

>>4852149
>20 inches
This is a big reason why I can't get into PVMs. They're just so small! The only one I would get would be an NEC XM29 or XM37. My consumer CRT is a 32 inch and I can't imagine going much smaller. How am I going to play couch coop with such a small screen?

>>4852690
what do we think fellas, the left side looks good and sharp but the right side has that hazy bleeding effect, I don't know too much about crts myself

>>4841436
>CRTs always cause eyestrain
Only bad thing about CRTs. To this day they can give me headaches if I use them too much.

>>4852686
i told you it's 95khz, do the math and figure it out. and bnc isn't uncommon nor is it strange, it's just rgbhv separated into five cables for less crosstalk. a modern vga monitor is generally like .025mm or .024mm, so that thing is going to not be as sharp.

>>4852717
Looks like pincushion. Should be adjustable in service menu. Write down all service menu settings or you can make it almost bad beyond repair.

>>4852791
This is a pretty basic crt, it doesn't have settings beyond brightness, contrast, etc.

>>4852853
It does.

You just don't know how to access them.

>>4852860
Fair enough lad, I'll try to figure it out
it's an old magnavox and of course I don't have the manual, so I'll dig around and report back with the solution

>>4852149
iirc 2530s have digital H and V size adjustments, might have pincushion too. The problem people had with the geometry was that of all larger CRTs.

20" is the minimum size I'd ever go with a monitor I bough to play games on long-term. I might would use a 13" in a bartop or cocktail cab. But 25" is more comfortable than both.

>110 lbs
so what? You and one other person move it once and that's it. You're not picking up your monitor and moving it around every day.

Beyond all other concerns the 2530 simply has the best picture.

I have a crt related request: I remember a photo of a gamer with what I call a "crt sock".
It showed someone playing a game (presumably cs16) at his pc, with a giant sock pulled over his head and the crt, so nobody could look at his screen and he was shielded from brightnes from the windows.

I'm totally unable to find this photo...

>>4852035
Yes, it is a very good monitor and easily worth that price.

>>4852413
Please inform yourself about the usage of shaders on PC CRT monitors. There is a lot more you can do with this than play old PC games.

>>4852871
if it doesn't have a built in service manual then there are probably pots on the board to adjust the image

>>4852686
BNC is identical to VGA just using a different connector. You could easily make a BNC to VGA cable to hook it up to a PC

Could a kind anon enlighten me about comb filters?

I have no fucking clue as to what this TRULY does. People seem to recommend them in forums, but still no clear cut explanations.

I ask this because i have an amazing 4:3 HD crt that unfortunately doesn't do scanlines, but I'm wondering if comb filters do anything to alleviate that, because this TV has all kinds, including 3D.

>>4852885
^

>>4852913
Comb filter separates composite video into chroma+luma more cleanly than just a notch filter.

>>4852910
BNC might give you a better picture at very high resolutions. And it doesn't send EDID info.

>>4852898
>Please inform yourself about the usage of shaders on PC CRT monitors. There is a lot more you can do with this than play old PC games.
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. Emulation?

>>4852928
you are my hero

A bit scared here, i have heard that sending 31khz signals through to a 15khz CRT can kill it, the other day I had my xbox, softmodded, outputting 1080i or 720p and connected it via component to a sony kv36fs100 and the initial startup screen worked but then it got all spastic and looked like a mess. I could hear sound just fine but I could not navigate anything, the screen was stuck. I have since played it with s video and composite from an n64 and sega genesis with no issue but is it possible I killed the component inputs? What safeguards are on crts to keep them from being overloaded? Thanks faggots

>>4852965
lurk more

>>4853025
I would rather you tell me what the fuck you're talking about cause nobody talks about using shaders on a CRT monitor, much less an older monitor with a high dot pitch. You sound like you didn't understand anything I was talking about and felt like sperging out cause you think you know more about all this than you actually do.

>>4853027
bro, here you go:

>>4834448

Now please answer my question here:
>>4853004

>>4853004
You're fine. A few seconds are not going to hurt anything.

>>4853027
>nobody talks about using shaders on a CRT monitor
It was talked about extensively in the /crt/ thread before this one, and a separate thread about shaders that was up for most of this past month. Lurk more. Use the archive at warosu.
>>/vr/thread/S4817601

>>4853031
>>4853054
oh shit guys, my bad. I take a break from watching the thread for a bit and we had a single thread where it was talked about and suddenly it's a common topic that's brought up all the time. silly me.

>>4853042
I did keep restarting the xbox to see what would happen, total of less than 2 minutes total, are there hardware safeguards to protect it?!?

>>4853060
>are there hardware safeguards to protect it?!?
If you see a vertically doubled image that is rolling then there is a hardware safeguard. It will sort of skewed diagonally as well.

If you hear a very high pitched whine and and see a bunch of squiggly lines then there is not a safeguard there and letting it run for a long time (who knows how long really) can possibly damage something. I have only ever seen one confirmed case of someone killing a monitor by overdriving it tho.

>>4853070
there was no whine, I heard normal audio but I got a crazy static picture that was a jumble of colors

>>4853057
You should have known without having to ask or have seen the last thread that he was referring to emulation.

>>4852965
>I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. Emulation?
>>4853109
It's almost like I did understand and I just didn't get why he thinks an old VGA monitor is useful for shaders when it's generally agreed upon that you want high resolution and detail for shaders to work properly.

>>4843437
Where are these mythical crt production facilities. Instead of saying they exist, how about backing it up with either of the following:

-Where you can do any ordering, any site with either a phone number/email/buy it now/etc
-Locations of running plants

>>4853123
weiya DOT c0m DOT tw/crt_monitor.htm

>>4853131
They're clearing their stock. Seems to be the end of the line if you ask me.

>>4853148
wrong

>>4853115
The date of manufacture and dot pitch (remember, it's a 22" tube, not a 20") suggest it is easily capable of resolving 1000 lines of resolution in both directions while not being overly sharp. It would have a beautiful picture when shaders were activated at 1280x960 or 1600x1200.
>I just didn't get why
lurk more

>>4853237
Well, I can only go by the website and that's what it suggests.

Perhaps you have some insider info you're reluctant to share but somehow I highly doubt it.

>>4853248
I have a 21" tube from two years after that one was made that has a much tighter dot pitch and I still wouldn't consider using shaders on it. It's fucking stupid, you're literally using a CRT and yet you want to use shaders that emulate the look of a CRT? Just play it in 640x480 for crying out loud, or even better yet do the 240p 120hz trick and get eyebleeding scanlines.

>>4853115
>old VGA monitor
The fact you call it this is very telling about your level of knowledge in this subject.

>>4853283
he won't get any upvotes on /r/crtgaming if he doesn't use shaders

>>4853334
a curved screen, 0.28mm dot pitch, 95khz tube from 1997 is old. the tube is worn out. it has been recapped. it's fucking old and worn out you twat. it is not worth $50 just to use with fucking shaders on retroarch when any free vga monitor that's years newer will be brighter, have a better pitch, and possibly a higher horizontal frequency.

>>4853409
move those goal posts some more my friend. Previously it was "shaders on a CRT are stupid". Now it's "the tube is worn out you should get a different CRT to do that".

Recapping is a good thing lol. If someone cares enough to recap a monitor and keep it around that means it probably works pretty well.

Tube is okay-ish to me btw. Some wear towards the bottom of the screen, but not bad burn in. For playing vidya games it should still be completely fine.

These monitors are not as easy to come across as you imply. Even in the land of milk and honey USA they're getting scarce. Anon is in Vancouver, BC.

>>4853353
It's the other way around. crtgaming is obsessed with PVMs and RGB mods and hates emulation.

Apparently they were still making CRT televisions in India up until a few years ago, and maybe a few places still are.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/Indians-switch-off-cathode-ray-TVs/article20802085.ece

>>4851879
YES
you are very lucky anon that is a PVM
it's worth a fortune!

>>4852928
And notch filters just make things blurrier imo.

>>4850302
That Amdek monitor is sexy. How does it look up close?

>>4853562
>For the first time, the stylish and slimmer flat TVs elbowed aside the cathode-ray tube televisions, or CRT TVs, in the Indian market in 2013. While CRTs sold about four million sets, the flat TV segment registered sales of six million. Till 2012, it was the other way round. In 2012, about six million Indians brought the older sets, while the off-take for flat TVs was about 4.5 million.
>“Our estimate is that the CRTs will have less than two million sales this year, as against about eight million in the flat panel categories. We feel new CRTs will totally fade away from the Indian market by 2015-end,” Rishi Tandan, Marketing Head (Home Entertainment) of LG Electronics, said.

Several million new CRTs made in the 2010s. I am sure many are still NIB. Could be something to look into.

>>4853409
>curved screen
Which is better for CRT PC monitors? Flat glass or curved glass?

Well, I know that for CRT TVs curved screens are better because of geometry, linearity, focus, convergence, (and maybe purity?).

But flat CRT PC monitors were built to a higher standard (for computer users rather than low IQ ballgame watching normies) than TVs and they also are far deeper for a smaller deflection angle. So less problems with geometry, linearity, focus, convergence, (and maybe purity?) especially when you consider their easy to use menus that have more options than TV service menus. For non gaming use (like posting on /vr/ or organizing your ROMs) the flat CRT monitor will have less glare so less need to close the blinds or wait until evening.

>>4853610
Wonder if CRT pro monitors are still in use there as a result.

>>4853610
we need to find some friendly pajeets

>>4853542
and the truth comes out, you're the fucking seller! I figured as much. shill your shitty deal harder anon, please.

Okay guys, I'm probably in for a big sad here but
>power went out last week
>almost came back on at one moment, but didn't
>had a power surge
>my big 'ol early 2000s Panasonic won't turn on anymore
It didn't make any noise from the surge or anything, which is weird because my fridge made a popping sound but that has been working fine since. I've tried different outlets, even the classic "hold down the power button" trick to no avail. Give it to me straight bros, am I fucked?

I play everything on a 20" pvm but want another monitor I keep in tate orientation since I don't want to rotate the heavy ass 20" frequently.

Anyone use a 14" or something of similar size for tate shooters? How is it, is it too small?

>>4853681
Probably blew a fuse.

>>4853618
Curved for life

>>4853670
This was a very strange trolling attempt.

>>4853690
KYA, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS?!!

>>4853004
>>4853060

>>4853685
It's a tad small. I have played a lot of shmups on 12" and 13" screens and it feels like I'm not doing as well as I could because I miss some of the small bullets on screen. I would never even try to play a game like Battle Garegga on a 13". I'd go for at least a 19".

>>4853736
Don't feed your CRT things you know it doesn't like.

I've fed SD stuff 480p signals before, and while it's certainly not good for it, it's not going to immediately destroy anything. Considerably higher stuff I would avoid absolutely. Though it did manage to -sort of- sync to something in the 768 area once, my M2MDU very much did not like being fed that and it's putting unnecessary strain on components that if they go, the CRT is going to be out of commission for a while.

tl;dr : What the other guy said.

>>4853685
Full retard or bust, grab a 32''+ set and rotate that shit.

>>4853690
Ah, sounds simple enough to replace, though I'm probably wrong
Thanks G

>>4853812
Nah, fuses are usually relatively simple to replace. If you're lucky, it might even be mounted in a little holder of sorts, though I wouldn't absolutely bet on it.

>>4853824
how come this guy couldn't get his megaview up to the 1080i level but you could?

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/270109-33-mitsubishi-megaview-resolution-problems

so since retroarch got an update to support crts what would be my best option from here:

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=crt&sort=rel

>>4854007
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/zip/d/sony-32-trinitron-crt-tv-with/6581332116.html

this looks like a winner, would ou be runing retroarch on a raspi through composite?

>>4854012
no on my computer. But I just realized I don't have any analog outputs nvidia card or on my motherboard.

>>4853846
There are quite a few different megaview models with different resolution capabilities. 1080i is lower horizontal refresh than 800x600.

>>4854014
you should get an older amd/ati radeon card, crt emudriver and a jrok converter


OR

just a get a raspi and use composite or use a wii thats been softmodded

https://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/87668-A-guide-to-connecting-your-Windows-PC-to-an-SD-CRT-TV-PVM-or-Arcade-Monitor

http://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1016#p1016

http://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1052#p1052

>>4854031
does there exist a crt mover service that will help you move shit?

>>4853846
Looking, for whatever reason, the wildly posted list of "RGB capable monitors" has a max resolution far far above what the monitor is actually capable of.

List has 1280x1024@75hz as the max resolution, but also lists 39.5khz as the horizontal limit. The 800x600 max that they can get pretty much confirms that the 39.5 limit is accurate. I also don't see a reference to 1080i in the post, but that would absolutely be doable for it, at ~33.6khz or so.

The reason mine has no issue is it's a later/higher spec'd model. Where theirs maxes out at just under 40khz, the 3730c supports up to 85khz horizontal, which could potentially do even 1080p75 (barely); Mind you, it'd look like shit, but it'd be doable.

Perhaps that listed resolution was supposed to be "1280x1024@75hz (interlaced)" or similar, which would potentially be -just- within that 40khz limit.

>>4853846
There are different kinds of Megaview monitors with different specifications. Some of them will sync to higher resolutions than others. This guy probably didn't try interlaced resolutions at all.

It's been a long time since I had it but I think I was not able to sync my XC3717C to 1440x1080p. I had to settle for 1024x768. And it didn't look very good in that mode. Very dark and blurry. That monitor probably would have accepted 1280x960i and looked better with it. However, with the .85mm dot pitch on a 35" viewable area it equates to about 800x600 TV lines by my rough calculation, so you would maybe be better off to even try an oddball resolution like 800x600i

>>4854036
oh, I thought it was because you recapped yours and did some crazy shit to it

>>4854035
do you have a pickup truck or a friend with one? you can always rent one for a day

>>4854048
no friends and no trucks

>>4854049
i have a pickup truck and i just go and pick it up from people, sometimes they help me load it. you need to make some friends bro

>>4854031
I'll never not love those old clear plastic electronics, I had a Play It Loud! clear Game Boy, a clear house phone, and an atomic purple N64.

>>4854051
not when 99% of people are full of shit

>>4854048
I moved my giant monitors back when I was in college and had an apartment with two male roommates and a lot of room in the living room. We used a friend's pick-up truck and it took two of us to move the XC3717C. The AM-3501R was a four man job. That is an extremely heavy monitor.

>>4854048
Nah, I'm a lazy sack of shit. Do need to get around to attempting a recap though.

>>4853574
Is this a joke

this is going through 480i on my OEV203. it's not perfect, but it'll do.

>>4854537
why is it 480i?

Did they actually make progressive scan CRTs that weren't also widescreen? If not, what advantage does outputting in 240p provide over 480i?

>>4854768
yeah the xbr800 is proscan and not widescreen, some pvms and bvms can do 480p too

>>4854053
Problem with transparent plastic like that is it tends to be brittle and cracks easier than its opaque counterparts.