/vr/ - Retro Games

They were probably modeled with a different program/drawn by a different artist, design changes happen to every character though I can't deny I'm partial to the chubby face olive skinned Mario of that era

>>4836431
Do NOT insult Toad! He is trying is VERY best!

They give off a Fisher-Price vibe now

>>4836431
that's kinda outdated, the mario art style has shifted a little bit since then

there's a bunch of proportion changes to make everyone a tiny bit closer to the classic art style again but the most important difference is that the shading and lighting actually looks good as heck now, and there's a lot more detail to everyone

>>4836431
I don't deny there's cutification going on in the characters' evolution, but I think the more organic poses and shape design are a bigger factor

>>4837423
I think they were always supposed to be cutsey, and just got better at that.

The worst change is the removal of the "mama mia's" and "spaghetti"

>>4837463
I mean it's not as if he's actually italian. Isn't he a random Mushroom kingdom inhabitant in the current canon?

>>4837559
he was originally meant to be an italian-american from brooklyn but iirc martinet felt that a dom deluise/mel brooks voice would be too harsh for children's hearing

>>4837463
in mario odyssey his idle animation is him falling asleep and whispering about spaghetti, tortellini and so on

>>4836431
>>4837551
The designs and artistic qualities of the current 3D models are objectively better now because Nintendo finally learned that you don't shade with black. The colors actually work and conform to good rules of color theory for making appealing characters and scenes.

That being said, the old style of 2D art remains the GOAT and I want a Mario game fully animated like this.

>>4837571
Yoichi Kotabe's stuff is awesome

>>4837571
>>4837585
Though it was surprising to find out Miyamoto did the original cover himself

>>4837571
In early 3D they didn't have much choice but to shade with "black"; natural-looking bounce based lighting and translucent/light scattering materials weren't implemented until much later, so everything looked like a plastic toy photographed on the moon. Though yeah, they could have got better results with some extra fill light or whatever

How old is Mario supposed to be?

>>4837602
A couple years ago, Nintendo said he's supposed to be in his late 20s.

>>4837602
I always figured he was around 30 or older, If we're to believe that he's the same character from Donkey Kong

>>4836431

>>4838130
Yoshi's Story was the worst thing to happen to that character.

>>4837585
I want this DK design back.

>>4837887
Which from a Japanese viewpoint translates to at least 45 for us.

>>4838130
This should be the poster child for the Soul > Soulless meme

>>4838216
Except that's the Yoshi's Story design, so you can't go saying that it's retro games with soul in that particular example.

>>4838187
Eh; the Rare redesign is quite distinctive and gives the character a better balance between cartoony and badass. I'm still mad pic related isn't a real hack though

>>4836431
>Uses Hudson's bootleg models for render comparison

>>4838237
The Rare redesign doesn't look that hot anymore. Like if the design was tied to the Country games, and outside those games it doesn't feel 'right', like if the current developers don't get it.

The cartoonish Nintendo design would look way better in games like Smash.

>>4838785
Yeah no, you don't know what you're talking about.

The oldschool DK design is objectively trash, he looks like one of those shovelware Hanna Barbera cartoons from the 1970's, complete with necktie.

>>4836431
Until the Wii era the characters didn't have extremely consistent designs. Look up the official renders for various N64 and GC games and you'll see slight facial, body and size variations.

Starting with the Wii era they started being more stringent in the consistent appearance of their characters.

>>4838130
dat bowling ball...

>>4838130
>sharp claws
You're just making things up.

>>4838237
Looks way better.
>>4839113
You're dumb, bro.

>>4838130
I know you don't know me and I guess it doesn't really matter but 3D yoshi might be my biggest gripe with Nintendo. 2D yoshi was my fucking favorite and I drew him with mario on adventures autisticlly for most of my youth in early elementary school. Mario's style is always on point and yoshi always matched perfectly right until yoshi's story. Now as far as I'm concerned yoshi is for fags and young girls and won't ever be cool again. You know what, I blame HAL.
We didn't need another Kirby. I know it's a different studio but I bet they talked internally and said what can we do to increase the kawaii market.

*cums*

>>4839113

>>4836431

They have more polygons now. Thus softer and rounder looking.

>>4837565
He was never meant to be anything. He was literally just a fill-in character to let you know Miyamoto worked on a game until SBM became crazy popular.
Please stop thinking that the DIC cartoons are what Miyamoto always intended.

>>4842145
>>4837559
>dat revisionism

>>4842145
You act as if the DIC cartoon invented that, it was mentioned in shitloads of manuals and game guides.

>>4836431
Not really. The characters were always meant to be cute in some ways. While the current design is great, I do have fond memories of their N64 designs

>>4838130
Jeez, am I the only one who likes both designs? I don’t think Modern Yoshi is seriously that bad.

>>4838172
Not really. I disagree.
>>4838218
Are you saying the one on the left is from Yoshi’s Story? How?

>>4838130
This post seriously screams Classic Sonic vs Modern Sonic shit

>>4844159
I don't really give a shit myself, but I always did wonder about the saddle/shell business

>>4844184
Yoshi was originally going to be a “good” Koopa before his final design in SMW, hence why his saddle looks closer to a shell in recent times.

>>4837571
E3 2019 Xbox and Nintendo do a collab featuring Mario and Cuphead

>>4844194
>Well Mario and his pal, Luigi...

>>4838172
I like Yoshi’s Story and thought the Yoshis in this game are adorable

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EaXQGXCIZC4

>>4844175
wouldn't be surprised if richard kuta made it desu

>>4844202
And also Mugman... FEATURING Dante from the Devil May Cry series

>>4844235
>search name
>found this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GuEZblzhQ60
>dude also has a diaper fetish
Holy shit

>>4837571
>>4837585
Seeing how they got Kotabe or some other artist to impersonate his style back on the 2D official artwork, maybe we’ll actually get a hand drawn style platformer game ala Cuphead, Rayman, and Wario Land: Shake it.

>>4838130
Is Nintendo the CalArts of gaming?

Why would you use the shitty awful Hudson Soft renders of the characters for this comparison?

>>4838237
I don't like that weird fucking ring of flesh around his eyes. It made sense on old DK, but Rare added fucking fur around his eyes? What the fuck?

As for the mockup, I like it, but it's weird that he runs like a man and not a gorilla. I hated that about DK64 too.

>>4844281
I think there were some kind of rumblings about that being the next step for 2D Mario. Though it could have been a mistranslation, something about the importance of Kotabe's art style.

>>4844367
No. They’re not. The design isn’t even like that.

>>4836431
At least use N64 artwork from a game where Nintendo actually made the renders.

Hudson never got the official renders, so all the characters look weird and retarded in the Mario Party artwork.

>>4844281
I loved the cutscenes of Shake It, makes me wish that ol' Wario got an anime in the early 2000's like Kirby and Pokemon did.

>>4844412
If it’s true then my body is fucking ready.

>>4838130
Modern Yoshi really did ruin the fucking character in both his design and the way he was depicted. But this picture is retarded. Kind of reeks of false falggery.

>>4838237
What is this? source?

>>4836431
>>4844424

Not only that, but the right image isn't even the most recent renderes of the characters, most of them have been updated.

Forgive the autistic mixing of old renderes with new but this was the only image I cared to dig up with a bunch of the old renders in one picture, and it was yanked from some deviantart gallery.

>>4844437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0w2lrn0a4Q

>>4837463
Also that he's in his early 20's.

>>4838130
>Mfw I was introduced to Yoshi since his debut and never was bothered by his current change to this day
I mean I guess I can understand a few people disliking his current design, but, besides a few changes, he’s still pretty much the same. Both designs are iconic and well-known to the character. Plus, this image is just as bad as every other soul vs soulless meme.
>sharp claws
What claws, nigga?

>>4844467
The guy is clearly false flagging, but Yoshi looks almost nothing like a dinosaur anymore. He looks like some kind of weird fraggle like creature. If it wasn't for the long tongue and some of the 2D artowrk, I never would have guessed he was meant to be a Dinosaur.

>>4844489
I don’t know about you, but while I agree that he became less t-rex-like since somewhere in N64 days (mostly because having a shorter body is easier to model for playable appearance like Mario Party, but you have to wonder why they’re able to properly use Donkey Kong, who’s body is more wider than the others), I don’t think many people would have a hard time figuring out he’s supposed to be a dinosaur by his modern design alone.
>long tongue
How is a long tongue a quick way to know that a character is a dinosaur? When I first seen him, which was his early design, I thought he was some sort of frog because of that.

>>4844554
*But despite that, yeah, his longer body does have a bit of charm to it. At least his current 2D artwork is a mixture of both classic and modern designs so I’m fine with that.

>>4844554
When I was a kid, Lizards were depicted with long sticky tongues almost as frequently as frogs were, despite only one species of lizard really doing the tongue thing.

Though I guess that's still a fair point, dinosaurs weren't known for long sticky tongues. Otherwise, that's one horror element that Jurassic park failed to tap into ( though they still could if the frog DNA thing is still canon )

>>4844656
His 2D arwork would be a fair compromise between classic and modern, though I really wish they didn't give him those gigantic human hands.

>>4838130
söy

>>4844690
That makes sense. I forgot about some media depicting all lizards besides chameleons having very long tongues so that's fair, too. I expected some people would know he's a dinosaur in his modern design just by his spikes alone since a simple design for a dinosaur would be just putting spikes on their back in some fictions.

>>4844426
Which one would've been better if it did? A Wario Land anime or a WarioWare anime?

>>4836431
You're right, they look less like creepy plastic dolls now.

>>4844454
It's annoying how lazy Nintendo can be when reusing the same renders from previous games. And it's REALLY annoying when their new renders are just upgraded versions of the old ones.
>All the playable characters here.
>Super Mario Party has a huge roster
>Toad and Toadette are stuck as hosts
What's the fucking point?

>>4844752
I imagine Ware due to it having a larger cast of characters than Land

>>4844454
Does anyone miss Koopa Kid?

>>4844764
I can see that, and I could imagine it being on JoJo's Bizarre Adventure or Bo-bo-bo-bo-bo-bo-bo levels of surreal humor. I would love a comedy-adventure based on Land series, though.

>>4844752
I feel like Ware has more potential for entertainment than the much more limited Land.

>>4844767
Certainly not me. Though I like them much more than I like Bowser Junior.

>>4844809
I could imagine it being one of those bizarre animes that aired on toonami during its heyday with really absurd humor like bobobo or shin chan

>>4844853
Yeah. The art style in particular really reminds me of Super Milk Chan.

>>4844871
what I'm wondering is what would the format be? a pulp fiction/22 short films about springfield thing with each character getting their own segment, or what?

>>4844878
I would guess 5 to 11 minute shorts that revolve around the characters trying to do their every day tasks, but weird shit happens, and a lot of hit-or-miss japanese humor ensues.

I think you're probably on to something with the springfield thing. Though I feel like it wouldn't even always be a major Wario Ware character that gets focused on. I could see a whole 2 minute segment just focused on that beautiful woman with the snotty nose from a random mini game. Seems like exactly the kind of thing that Japan would produce. Their weird "quirky" animes always have weird cut away segments that focus on seemingly inconsequential characters as some kind of strange joke.

>>4844871
Holy crap, I've been trying to find this cartoon for years. I remembered watching this late on Adult Swim

>>4837447
This is the actual answer.

>>4844889
I'm already imagining a segment with Wario trying to get his toaster to work but he accidentally burns his house down and summons a fire demon

As much as the modern renders are a lot better, I'm always fond of looking back at the older renders to see how much the designs of these characters grow.

>>4844424
>>4845310
i prefer how mario looked back then.

>>4845310
>>4845326

I kinda miss the old Bowser with the gold muzzle and the deep orange skin, but everyone else ( barring Yoshi but he never had a good 3D render ) looks much better now.

However, there's a distinct lack of atmosphere in the more recent renders.

>>4845367
I've heard that Melee/Brawl Bowser was actually based on N64 Bowser, especially Melee. Thought it was an interesting thing that I like to bring up.

What? SMRPG Yoshi isn't good to you? He's pretty much classic Yoshi in 3D.

>>4845382
I Smash Bowser was definitely based on N64 Bowser, he looked just like him when you look at his head dead on. Though the colors were always way off. SSB4 added a costume that's simialr to those old colors though, but his hair has a pink hue to it for some reason. Still don't get what Sakurai was thinking with his dash animation in the older Smash games though.

As for the SMTPG renders.. like, I have a spoft spot for them, but I would never call any of them good.

>>4845392
Maybe not good, but I can say it kind of depends on which characters, though. Like some characters such as that SMRPG Bowser image does look hilariously bad, but others like SMRPG Mario and Yoshi looks pretty adorable.

>>4845310
>>4845367
I miss classic N64 Daisy. Her ambiguously brown skin color and less obnoxious voice at least gave her some charm

>>4845446

I'm trying to find a brown skinned daisy but...
https://www.mariowiki.com/Gallery:Princess_Daisy

I'm really not seeing it.

>>4845493
When you compared her N64 design with her Modern design, she seems to have some sort of a tan. Which is fitting, being the princess of a kingdom that has a desert. Heck, when comparing her to N64 Peach, you'll noticed it, too. Modern Daisy is just too pale and her design overall is just ugly. Her old dress is better than the current one as well.

>>4836431
>that classic toad model
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcU-WEUGjCY

>>4836431
Nah, they just look better.

>>4845310
I miss the old pudgy faced olive skinned Mario and Luigi, that Wario though...

>>4845382
I've said this in another CG thread, but I believe Melee's graphics in general are supposed to make you feel like you're playing with Nintendo's CG models.

>>4845949
Mario and Luigi in Melee even looks closer to their N64 renders.

>>4838785
The only problem with modern DK's design is that the cartoony deep-set eyes don't translate well to modern 3D models. The brow looks weird these days now that instead of casting the illusion of a shadow over his eyes he just has a dark patch of fur.
It's still far better than the utterly generic 80's design for the character, which is literally just a cartoon gorilla with no distinguishing features.

>>4844426
Shake It bombed, and Nintendo cancelled a Kirby game in the same style.
worst timeline confirmed

>>4836431
Mario looks like he's about to fucking kill someone

>>4845850
I liked the old Wario, and the way his eyes would look in different directions. I guess it's not very fitting for a protagonist though.

>>4844489
Weird that you compare him to a "Fraggle like creature" when the original Yoshi sprite literally looks like a fucking Muppet

>>4847660
Who cares about beta shit. We're talking about the actual Yoshi, not this reject.

>>4836431
Soulless.

With how often legitimate game leaks seem to be happening now, I'm surprised nobody's gotten their hands on, and leaked, the 3D models used for N64 promo art.

>>4837594
>>4838237
>>4844424
There's a lot of indie developers still making retro 2D pixel videogames but I wish somebody would make something that's really messy and weird like Yoshi's Story or Diablo. I think that era of graphics is so cool and surreal I don't know why

>>4850278
>Indies

they'd fuck it up like they always do.

>>4836431
Soul-Souless hidden thread?

bumping

>>4851546
They already have. Baldi's Basics is based on 90s games with crude CG, and it exaggerates how crude it was.

>>4837571

So you want Wario Land: Shake It! but as a traditional Mario platformer... that sounds amazing actually.

Why doesn't this thread have more big boy posting?

>>4854427
Because we are not big boys.

>>4854427

>>4850205
The programs may not exist anymore or the models may not be compatible with modern versions. Or worse, they were on computer architecture like SGI workstations that no longer exist.

>>4856479
>the models may not be compatible with modern versions.
I'm pretty sure the models would be .obj or .dae files, since most work was done on Wavefront or Alias software back then (ie. Nintendo used Alias PowerAnimator for MK64, among others)
I'm pretty sure something like Blender would be able to open both filetypes, unless I'm missing something here.

>>4850205
>>4857167
Not exactly incompatible, but most CG of this kind was done with NURBs back then, with lots of overlapping blobs and shapes instead of "proper" flowing topology to allow smooth deformations in animation; so most of that stuff would be pretty unusable even if it was available.

>>4857186
>most of that stuff would be pretty unusable even if it was available.
That's disappointing to know.
Still, I want the models to be found, mostly to preserve parts of gaming history.

>>4836431
Mario's just been consuming more s o y lately.

>>4850278
when indies do classic 3D it's usually undreal tournament style, which I also like

>>4851562
keep that on /v/

>>4838130
I'm proud of this.