/vr/ - Retro Games

Not with the literally unplayable encounter rate at the end of the game.

>>4828672
imagine actually believing this

>>4828665
I think it would've bombed, just because the nes was at the end of its life cycle and nobody was interested in it anymore.

>>4828672
See pic.

>>4828665
It would be a """hidden gem""" to-day, but it was shelved because it would have been a flop financially. It's pretty much impossible to deny that NoA made the right call on that one, timing was just not good. It's one of my top 10 games ever though, I the 'Prototype' to death.

>>4828701
I love* the prototype to death that is

>>4828701
I could imagine it being released on the GBC and it probably being a moderate success

It would be a sort of "hidden jaym" like StarTropics, but I don't think it would have tremendously good sales. Maybe it would have built a small fanbase before the release of Earthbound and help EB sell a bit better.

>>4828713
Sure, I could see that; the Dragon Warrior remakes and similar RPGs did OK after all. I think the undertaking would probably have been too grand for what would still be a niche game though, seeing as it would largely have to be rebuilt from the ground up. At least it would have been better than the GBA port.

>>4828727
Sort of off-topic, but it always bugged me that EB never sold well because of its bizarre "lol 90's grossout!" marketing campaign Personally I think that they should have focused on the Lovecraftian horror that is Giygas or the Alien invasion setting, given that old B-movies were popular back then due to Elvira and Monstervision

I think it would have been a bomb, but also it would have made Mother 2 a bit more successful and getting the later current cult status.
That, or if it was a massive bomb, NoA would have not thought of localizing M2.

>>4828749
You do know "this game stinks" means it sucks, right? When I was a kid reading Nintendo power, I thought it looked cool, but whenever I asked a friend about it they'd cite that ad as a reason they didn't care about it.

>>4828845
In context "This Game Stinks" refers to the bizarre enemies it had, specifically Master Belch.

>>4828672
>It's an "Anon who has never played mother 1, wants to shit on mother 1" post

>>4828749
It's hard to focus on that aspect when Giygas appears at the very tail end of the game, and doesn't have much build-up as a character.

What about if Mother 1 was developed as a SNES game rather than Famicom?

>>4828665
I think you should have said “JRPGs were popular at the time” because I know a lot of PC gamers that were really into games like Wizadry, AD&D GoldBox, and Ultima.

>>4828983
JRPGs weren't popular*
Sorry about that

>>4828927
Yeah, but the demographic is 10 year olds reading nintendo power. They don't sit down and critically think that shit out, they go "oh, the game's not good" and move on.

>>4828969
But there's the Alien invasion aspect. Still could've done some B-movie style ads, there was a Tim Burton movie called "Mars Attacks!" which came out around the same time.

>>4829026
>But there's the Alien invasion aspect
Which is barely a thing present in the game beyond the splash screen. Most of the game has people and animals being possessed/acting weird. The only "alien invasion" has couple robots showing up very late in the game and not really invading all that much. It would be extremely deceptive to focus on that. Not as deceptive as the "Lovecraftian horror" which lasts five minutes top, but still extremely deceptive nonetheless.

>>4829073
Well fuck, how do you advertise a game like EB? I had a dream once about a commercial with a Charlie Brown looking Ness being pelted with the various enemies set to a jingle sung by Oingo Boingo

>>4828995
Maybe if they're retards. I was 10 when this game came out and I begged for it for Christmas because I loved Nickelodeon style gross out humor and those ads and scratch and sniff cards sold me on it. I had no idea what the gameplay was like, but I was sold on fighting puke. The opening lines of the ad literally talk about it being the first RPG with BO and how you fight gaseous enemies. Kids aren't that stupid, they can pick up on context and love shit like puns.

>>4829026
In retrospect, that would have been the superior route to take. The fact that the game has a mid-twentieth century America atmosphere to it means that style of a marketing campaign would have lent itself to it well.

>>4829073
Most of the bosses are stuff straight out of drive-in movies like giant ants/moles, sea monsters, and blobs. A parody of old monster movies would have done a better job at getting the game across than over exaggerating the game's gross out segments.

>>4829085
They could have done ads in the style of tabloid newspapers. Have headlines like "BEE FROM THE FUTURE GIVES DOOMSDAY PROPHECY!" "POSSESSED STOP SIGN GOES ON RAMPAGE!", "FIRST PHOTO OF THE FABLED TESSIE!", "COLOR CRAZY CULT KIDNAPS PSYCHIC CHILD!", "WELCOME TO THREED, ZOMBIE CAPITAL OF THE WORLD!", "THE RUNAWAY FIVE DISCOVER GHOST BUSTING SECRET! ROCK AND ROLL?!" That would set the tone that it's a humorous game about weird stuff.

>>4828965
>it's a "/vr/ shitposts about Mother 1's encounter rates being good
Fuck off, they're bad even in Duncan's Factory and Podunk

>>4829160
i've beaten the game 4 times and done a low level challenge, it's not as hard as people make it out to be. if you're that casual just use a map

>>4829160
the whole game has the same encounter rate, what are you talking about?

>>4829160
You beat the game at level 30, it's an easy game in general, and the encounter rates are totally normal for NES/Famicom RPGs. Grinding is life, pansy.

>>4828672
the encounter rate doubles when you dash

>"mother 1 is hard"
>never used guard command, defense up, offense up, psi shield, psi block, power shield, flashdark, boomerang, missed magicant's defensive equips and lloyd's weapons

>>4829717
You forgot 4th-D Slip.

>>4829719
most people don't forget to use 4th-D Slip.

>>4829085
a feelgood surreal story about four kids

>>4829720
unless they're noobs or just suck at vidja

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ7glYr_Al8
I'm really thinking that I like Mother more than Earthbound.
Just something about it resonates so much more with me. In the story, setting and even gameplay to a degree

>>4829720
On my first playthrough I never used 4th D-Slip because I thought it was like running, that is, not 100% effective. But it is 100% effective. Also on my first playthrough I completely missed the deep sea fish boss, so I never got the onyx hook.
On my 2nd playthorugh I made sure to get the hook, and also use 4th DSlip, the game was much easier, but even without those, the game is manageable. People who complain about M1's difficulty or encounter rate just never played any other 8-bit RPG.

>>4829776
I think the kind of people generally attracted to Earthbound weren't really prepared for something quite as hard as mother 1.
Which of course created the backlash and easy patches that we're all familiar with.

>>4829776
I can't even imagine playing through without the Onyx Hook, woah.

>>4829812
Yeah, I just went back to Magicant by going to the cave and touched the pink seashell. But it becomes especially useful on Mt. Itoi when you get the EVE chip so you can go back and forth between magicant and Mt. Itoi. Without the Hook it was brutal.

>>4828665
Whats the best way to play Mother 1 on PC?

>EarthBound Zero?
>EarthBound Beginnings?

>>4829846
Either EB Zero or the patched version of the gba port. People complain about that one having bad music, but I dont notice a huge difference and additionally I prefer the updated translation. Which isn't to say the NES translation is bad, it's just my preference.

>>4829846
they're both based on the translation that NoA did in 1990

>>4829882
>>4829893
ok cool

>>4829685
No, it's the same. It's based on number of tiles you've moved to. It's between 1 and 16. If you dash, you take those steps faster. Also if you pause it resets to 0.

>>4829846
Play Beginnings. The fucked up soundtrack on the GBA port is terrible, and the translation for the NES version is fine.

You don't have to use the easy ring to beat the game easily, just spam defense up.

Just beat this game yesterday, fucking loved it. I wasn't expecting so much from a NES RPG so it sort of blew my expectations away. I find it funny how it has more story and character development than its sequel on SNES.

1 > 2 = 3

I have issues with both Earthbound and Mother 3 but I didn't really have any with Mother 1. Guess having low expectations helped out. Also Mt. Itoi is nowhere near as hard as people say, especially when you have PK beam and 4th D-slip, and if you really need to grind you can just use EVE.

>>4830073
why does fanart of ninten always show him wearing a bandana? the sprite and the clay model don't have it all

>>4830121
The commercial had him wearing one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQUN7QAnMp0

>>4830121
What the other anon said about the commercial, but also just to clearly differentiate him from Ness.

idk I'm starting to like the Mother OST little better than Eartbound's. there are some great pieces there. they are extremely impressive for a NES game.

>>4830154
Yeah, I love the soundtrack for all 3 games in the series but Mother 1 has the most memorable ones by far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwYHT3tQ9gU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w6siYk_Ge0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-uNMPU6GtA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebu38NZ7q0U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ7glYr_Al8

>>4830165
my favorite is either the title theme you posted or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y36t1LOEdM

>>4830165
>no paradise line
nigga that is a great song. hard to play on piano though

>>4830224
Fuck I love that song but didn't know the name of it. Thanks anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3z9v3FFc9c

>>4828749
>they should have focused on the Lovecraftian horror that is Giygas
What, spoil the ending? Giygas is supposed to be super mysterious, and then you finally meet him and he's a complete surprise, a horror show that comes out of nowhere to skullfuck you.

If the game, or for that matter, the advertising, told you this was exactly what was gonna happen, it'd ruin the surprise.
More, if you had actually played the first game and knew who Gyiyg originally was, it would have been an even bigger surprise, which advertising would then ruin.

He's good because he's a surprise tonal wiplash.

>>4830264
>tonal wiplash.
EB as a whole is extremely bipolar in tone though

>>4830121
The MOTHER 1 commercial from Japana depicted him with a Bandana, and I think fans just wanted to further differentiate him from Ness.

>>4830165
Yeah the Mother 1 ost is special. Mother 2 is more experimental, uses sampling a lot. Mother 1 is more melody-driven, resulting in more melodies stucking in your head.
By the way, if you like the Mother series music I strongly recommend checking out all the other Keiichi Suzuki music works, he's a legend has a big legacy.
His band Moonriders is his main project, but he has many other side-projects, including solo releases in which he released little gems like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1MVrc5SvC8

>>4829816
that's only in mother 1+2 right?

>>4830154
There's a lot of songs from Earthbound I love. But Mother 1's ost is just solid all the way through.

>>4830390
As far as I know, Mother 1+2's version is just the same as the NOA "Zero" version on NES, but with the fixed run button that doesn't make the NPCs run.
Everything else in terms of design is the exact same.

>>4830406
The NoA NES version doesn't have the easy ring or the EVE chip. Why would you need it anyway, you get to the final note right after EVE dies, and then you get teleported back to the grave right after you return to Magicant to play the song for Mary. What's the point of a teleport back to Mt. Itoi if you get it right before you get the final note?

>>4830424
Woah, I wasn't aware the chip was only on 1+2, no wonder I didn't remember it from the first time I played it on a NES emulator.
Anyway, my use of the eve chip was to teleport between magicant and mt. itoi. If I got hurt after a battle on the way to the top, I'd transport to magicant, get healed for free, then get back to mt. itoi and try again. It's also a way to grind a bit, not that you really need much grinding anyway.
Also another way to get through mt. itoi without battle encounters is using the teleport PSI power to run around.

>>4830480
The only way that chip sounds useful is if you try going back with EVE instead of going towards the top of the mountain, which you have no reason not too since EVE will destroy anything you fight. If EVE dies near the top, you're really close to the grave so you can just get the final note. It sounds really weird to give the player a item like that for no real reason. It would be more useful to give that to the player right after the dance before you get EVE.

>>4830485
I believe there is a certain specific point where EVE gets destroyed, right? Or it was based on how many battles you have?
Anyway, I remember EVE's remains being somewhere in the middle between the house and the top of the mountain. The way it's useful is the way I used it, I think. By using the Hook to go to magicant, get healed if you get hurt (which you will if you don't use 4th D-slip or the PSI teleport thing), then use the chip to get back to Mt. Itoi and try again.
It's a way to have a sort of remote healing point in Mt. Itoi without having to backtrack to the house. Kind of convulted, but it worked for me.

>>4830486
There's two spots EVE can get destroyed, south of the lake, and north of the lake close to the grave. If you go to the top one, you're only a short walk away from the final note, and after you get the sing ability from Mary in Magicant, you get instantly teleported back to the grave. I guess I can see how the EVE chip would be useful if you went down instead, but they should just give you a item like that earlier, because by the time EVE dies you're pretty much done.

>>4830283
Well yeah, but there's really no place or event elsewhere in the game that is like the final battle.

Based on the rest of the game, you're kind of expecting like some kind of alien dude in a battle suit (maybe outright Gyiyg as he was in the first game, if you played that, except in a mech), possibly some kind of evil wizard. Or maybe something a little Doom/TMNTish, a huge mean alien brain in a glass dome, riding on a tank with guns.

Like assume you never heard of the boss battle at all, assume you went into Earthbound completely blind, how would you picture him throughout the game as he's mentioned?
*Most* people who did that probably didn't leap directly to "the embodiement of hatred and evil as a demented outer space ghost, who also spews distorted sounds and graphics at you, like this is an LSD trip gone wrong", at most, Giygas would be assumed to be just the devil, complete with red skin and horns, going by the Mani Mani Statue, it might even seem plausible.

I kind of wish it wasn't such a famous spoiler, like by word of mouth, that's one of the biggest things it's known for (often in conjunction with that stupid abortion theory, that never seems to go away), it really robs people of the surprise and shock it's supposed to be.
I went in knowing about it, and even if I was rushing with adrenaline, and was absolutely fucking wired throughout, eyes darting left and right for hours afterwards, like I was threat assessing, I can't help but think it would have been way more effective and emotionally powerful if I had just waltzed into that fight without even a clue what was gonna happen.

Stop singing.

>>4830505
I was happy that even though the visceral nature of giygas's fight was spoiled for me. the emotional impact of the prayers (especially the final one) was still there.

>>4828665
>Had it been released in the US in 1989 or 1990, do you think that it would have reached high popularity levels?
No. Firstly - American gamers would have taken one look at it and said "this has shit graphics lol" and walked away.
Secondly - If they did manage to try it out the derivitive grinding gameplay and slow pacing would have turned them off shortly after.
>>4828927
No it refers to the fact that it came with a scratch n sniff thing as part of the package.

>>4830505
I found EB at a used game store in lansing around 19 years ago, a few months after SSB came out and I barely knew anything about it other than that Ness came from this game, Giygas scared the everloving shit out of me when I first played it

>>4830526
>slow pacing
I found that mother 1 has pretty breakneck pacing, honestly. Everything after the first Magicant visit is really brief.

>>4830526
>derivitive grinding gameplay and slow pacing
See pic >>4828693 you will be allowed to post again once you have learned to form your own opinions.

>>4830570
Yeah, it's only slow if you grind, which you don't need to even in the NES version. EB is way slower.

>>4830581
EB is longer anyway.

>>4830586
That too. EB is the longest in the series, right? It's been a while since I beat it but I beat both 1 and 3 recently and both felt shorter than EB.

>>4830589
I've never played 3, but I definitely feel like Mother 1 can be completed in about the same time it would be to get to Summers in EB

>>4830586
It feels endless to me. I usually lose interest around Fourside. Loved my first playthru but after that it wasn't super novel to me anymore. I could sit down and plow through 1 or 3 any day of the week, though.

>>4830572
Anybody who complains about "muh grinding" in Mother 1 has clearly never played any other JRPG's from that era

>>4830603
Really, everything after Fourside in EB is pretty quick. It goes from a road trip across Eagleland to a whirlwind tour across multiple continents.

Almost to the point where I kind of feel like it suffers because of that. Because it never really slows down again.
Arguably except for Scaraba.

Playing Mother 1 after Earthbound ended up creating a pretty bizarre experience for me.

It's not even half as quirky as Earthbound. Mother 1 is Stand By Me with aliens and robots every five steps. It's sad and morose, but not in your face like Mother 3.

>>4830653
Mother 1 has some sad moments but overall I think it's the most cheerful of all of the Mother games.

>>4830653
>Mother 1 is Stand By Me with aliens and robots every five steps
I always thought that it was just a Peanuts RPG to be honest

>>4830665
Fuck that's some good art. Why does everyone always forget to give Ana her hat though?

>>4830653
I found it to be a lot more genuine and heartfelt than M2. I took it a lot more seriously. M2 feels like a parody of 1 to me. Like, if the stuff with EVE happened in 2, it probably would've been played for laughs.

>>4830512
I wonder what his people is like.
Like are they all potentially as evil and hateful as him, or was he just special in his ability to hate so much as to become Rage-Azatoth?

I hate the revisionist history that the NES immediately died as soon as the SNES and Genesis were out. It was still a reliable platform for lower income families for years afterwards. The last US licensed game was in 1994 for fucks sake. My parents didn't buy an NES until at least 1991

>>4830696
supposedly the starmen are from the same planet as him

>>4830539
>around 19 years ago
Hah, bet you didn't pay $300 for it back then. Did it come with the guide?

>Giygas scared the everloving shit out of me when I first played it
Can you remember what that was like? How was the buildup at the final stretch? Things that came to your mind, how you felt afterwards?

Did you get that 'wired' feeling afterwards? Like you could feel the adrenaline linger in your chest, like there's a 'jolt' in every limb movement?
Like for me, it was really exciting, and sorta disturbing. Emotionally intense, I guess.

>>4830701
The Starmen I think made mechanical clicking and whirring noises in dialogue, right?

I wonder if they're supposed to be like, biomechanical cyborgs or something, maybe so they can timetravel without being destroyed?

>Did it come with the guide?
yeah it came with the guide, but I've since lost it, it might be at my parents house
>Can you remember what that was like? How was the buildup at the final stretch? Things that came to your mind, how you felt afterwards?
When I was playing I thought that Giygas would be a bug eyed grey alien or some kind of Mother Brain like creature, the latter I thought even when before Pokey turned off the Devil's Machine
but when I saw him, I was horrified, I thought that my SNES had been possessed by Pazuzu or something,
>Did you get that 'wired' feeling afterwards? Like you could feel the adrenaline linger in your chest, like there's a 'jolt' in every limb movement?
my heart was pounding but I felt more motionless than wired, like I had seen somebody get murdered in front of my face
even after I beat the game I couldn't get the image of Giygas off my brain, I even had nightmares about him, one of them involving Giygas possessing other Nintendo villains like K. Rool and Bowser

>>4829882

>Which isn't to say the NES translation is bad

I'm surprised so many people like it. It's so mind-numbingly fucking bland, it comes across as a rushed, passionless project from a late 80s Nintendo of America that couldn't give a rat's ass about RPGs or respecting what the game was going for. I appreciate the lost media aspect of its existence but that's all.

There was a stream of people that played the game first time with Earthbound Beginnings who were massively underwhelmed and I've no doubt the translation is why. Compared to the game in Japanese or the Tomato GBA patch it reads like a totally different game.

>>4830746
Fuk, forgot the reply
>>4830706

>>4830678
>Like, if the stuff with EVE happened in 2, it probably would've been played for laughs.
That's pretty much the case when you remember Dungeon Man

>>4830673
because ana having a hat, twintails and a single ribbon is confusing for fan artists.

Her clay model feels dishonest. I just imagine her wearing a hat, with a single braid tied at the end with a ribbon.

>>4830787
>Dungeon Man
Every time I hear that name I think of the old text game on Homestar Runner

>>4830662
I don't really agree. Earthbound had such a "picture perfect" ending and the whole trip was relatively cheery.

Something about Maria, George, Giygas, EVE and Teddy (especially in the original end) emits just a much sadder tone than most things in Earthbound.
And personally, remembering that the story events of Mother 1 get buried in time to Ness's story is kind of sad, too. Just ten years before three kids defeated Giygas when he was arguably at his strongest and most sane. But they're forgotten amidst the prophecies predicting the events of Earthbound and the ramifications of its plot, which was Pokey fucking the world up.

>>4830707
I think Mother 1 implies starmen are aliens because they don't resist PK Beam (and are immune to Beam Gamma) like robots do

>>4830750
How does the translation compare to the original Japanese script?

>>4830696
I want some official fucking art of Giegue or a clay model

>>4830665
Oh man, I love this image!

>>4830821
I want a clay model of Giygas.

Make THAT in three dimensions!

>>4830828

>>4830834
>muh fetus

>>4830828
So what did happen to Giygas to fuck him up that hard? He seemed pretty stable at the end of Mother 1. Guess he got really tired of people singing.

>>4830821
here you go, bud

>>4830846
He never let go of his hatred I guess, and eventually just let it all sit and stew, distilling, until he just became some kind of monumental galactic PSI ghost made out of all of his hatred and anger, then sent waves in time to influence people to evil.

>>4830846
apple of enlightenment fucked up his thought process. became obsessed with averting destiny

>>4830851
That too, I imagine it helped focus his fixation on revenge.

>>4830846
I think he slowly went insane after all of his plans to defeat Ness kept fucking up, not wanting to be defeated by another possibly relative young boy.

>>4830860
What does Giygas have against young boys?

Earthbound threads.

>>4830865
I think it has to do with the humiliation of being beaten by a child rather than being beaten by an adversary of a similar stature, it would be like Ganondorf saying "I was defeated by THIS kid?!" about Link

>>4830746
>I even had nightmares about him, one of them involving Giygas possessing other Nintendo villains like K. Rool and Bowser
That's kind of rad, actually.

>>4830870
I agree. Bunch of guys who appear to be elitist snobs, but end up being helpful and friendly to newcomers.

>>4830857
>his fixation on revenge.
against who?

>>4830865
maybe he was jealous of george and mary's other kid(s)

>>4831053
Humanity in general, but also George's descendants, like Ninten and Ness.

>>4830870

>>4831615
is itoi a commie?

>>4831703
The Stoic Club is literally a jab at lefties/commies.

>>4831724
even makes fun of the pseudointellectuals who use words they don't even know

>>4831115
that reminds me, is there any evidence of ninten and ness being related to each other? other than the resemblance of course

>>4828665
Honestly the required mindset to appreciate the series didn't get popular until the early 2000s

>>4832057
>>>
> Anonymous 06/11/18(Mon)13:54:07 No.4832
they'er the same dude

>>4832057
>>4832060
no

>>4830503
I love full shots from games like this

>>4832151
I love Mother 1's map, it's just so much fun to explore and it feels so open, and there's usually
cool stuff to find too. I do wonder how much of the game is optional though.

>>4829139
>plumber lost in sink hole
M..Mario?

>>4832391
Isn't that how he got to the MK in the DiC cartoon?

>>4832158
>cool stuff to find too.
not really

>>4832158
>and there's usually cool stuff to find too
Are you daft? It has some of the emptiest maps I've ever explored.

So what was the point of making Ninten have asthma if only like 1 enemy uses a move that can give you it? Was I just lucky, because no enemy I fought other than the crazy trucks used asthma-inducing moves when I played through the game.

>>4833208
It might have been added as an afterthought, or it's an idea they had but then forgot to do much more with, or didn't have time.

It stinks

>>4833208
Don't the mad cars let out exhaust fumes as well?

>>4828693

That wouldn't matter a bit. Most of the classic Mega Man series was released in the 90s.

>>4830512

FUCK you Mewtwo

>>4833208
for flavor

>>4833515
yeah, just the trucks and cars. Which frequently appeared together. Getting in a fight with them could easily be fatal to the party

>>4833638
similar to the home sickness mechanism in EB

>>4833642
right. Or similar stuff in other RPGs. Like Cass in Fallout 2 will die if you give him drugs because he has a heart condition.

>>4834991
why the fuck did these things explode?

>>4836353
because trees are evil

mother 1 magicant best magicant

>>4836353

>>4830375
Backing this up with a recommendation to check out Chip Tanaka's post game works. He's still cranking out great tracks nowadays on his SoundCloud and his album. I actually ordered a copy of it, first CD I've bought in years. If y'all like the music from EarthBound and the Game Boy Camera you've gotta take a listen.

https://www.soundcloud.com/hip_tanaka
https://chiptanaka.bandcamp.com/releases

They were straight up correct in not releasing it to the USA. The SNES was around the corner, no point in spending money making physical copies and using store space for new NES games.

>>4837767
Explain why Mario 3 sold so well then

>>4837782
Mario.

>>4837782
Are you actually this stupid?

>>4828665
>do you think that it would have reached high popularity levels?

no. it had no audience

even today, i'm not sure who this game speaks to. i was a jrpg nerd at the earliest possible moment for an american (late 80s) and i hated it to death.

>>4837939
No, I'm just curious as to why you think that the NES was dead by 1990, when clearly it was not

>>4837942
not him but hes talking about the encroaching future not just at the moment in 1990

we had to sell our nes and games to get a snes, i imagine it was the smae for very very many kids back then.

>>4837942
For all intents and purposes, it was. One groundbreaking game keeping it on life support doesn't mean much. It was already out the door.

>>4837953
yeah and i dunno if everyone here has perspective on it but going from nes to snes was like nes instantly stopped mattered

its not like today when consoles kind of hang around for 4 years past the next generation. when snes came out nes was considered old hat, done, over with

>>4837967
I was like 3 when it came out, but I've read things to this effect. Thanks for the confirmation.

>>4837976
turn 36 this weekend and parents bought us everything, AMA :P

>>4837948
Selling your SNES? Fuck, I had to sell off all my Donald Duck comics just to get a GBC.

>>4837992
*NES, fuck

>>4837992
>Selling your SNES?
blame parents

>>4829073
So the Starman in the very beginning of Earthbound is from Earth?

Was magicant something Maria somehow created herself or did Giygas make it for her?

can you skip teddy the first time and come back and get him after eve dies?

>>4838406
I always saw it as everyone has their own magicant, and its the power of the earth or extreme PSI that brings it to "life".

>>4838421
Yes, you can beat the game with Teddy instead of Loid, as long as you avoid the house where he "dies" in.

>>4838406
I mean, she is Queen Mary in Magicant after all, it's likely she created it

>>4840227
I guess how did she gain psychic powers, since apparently george was the one who introduced that in humans
or how did she create magicant post-mortem?

Excuse me, who the heck is this?

>>4840818
Duke Nukem on vacation

>>4840818
>>4840827
I love that expansion pack so much.

>>4840818
An uncommon Summers enemy.

>>4840818
BALLS BALLS BALLS

>>4836796
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOUUUUUU
STOP REPLENISHING YOUR FUEL SUPPLY YOU METALLIC HOLLOW FUEL FAGGOT

>>4832058
>It requires a very high IQ

>>4841730
that's not at all what he meant dumbass

>>4841759
>he

>>4841772
has no style

>>4841772
has no name

>>4841730
that anon meant that you would have had to play other jrpg's like dragon quest and final fantasy to appreciate earthbound/mother's uniqueness, and since JRPG's weren't popular in the US until after EB was released people wouldn't have appreciated it

>>4828665
if DUAL ORB 2 came to the states the rpg would have been mega popular

>>4842745
ach, Mother was never meant for the third dimension

>>4844124
Even if Earthbound 64 was a trainwreck. It's a trainwreck I would have liked to witness

>>4844168
*witnessed

>>4844173
I hope somebody can dump it in the near future, it looks weird but in a good way

Talking about Mother 3 I can't believe rope snake one of the main character are in smash so happy.

>>4828665
Why did they never released this in Europe anyway?

>>4844292
>rope snake was in smash before any other Mother 3 character
>we don't even know if Duster is in yet.

>>4844294
It was never localized (well, released, anyway.)
As for Earthbound, I guess NOE didn't think their was a market. Too weird and too American

>>4844295
We need Ninten in Smash also I can't stand Ness's voice in those games, too Bart Simpson-esque

Fassad is one of those villains that show up at the weirdest of times and in the sewers in pork city was surprising and funny.

>>4844309
Eh, I don't hear it.
I can't disassociate Makiko from her work for Kirby

http://reserved-kirby.tumblr.com/post/163290954980/this-is-the-mini-drama-between-sectonia-and-susie

>>4844314
it's the nasal sound that makes me think of Bart, though I guess that's a better fit for him than the stereotypical Shounen voice like Pit

>>4840818
Isn't that the guy from Moonside who teleports you?

>>4844595
tough guy uses the same sprite, yeah

Say fuzzy pickles!

>>4846980
>paula, jeff and poo stand stock still while ness gives a big smile
I hate this

>>4846996
Bunch of no-fun dicks. They could at least face the camera.

>>4844124
Sure it was. It just needs to look like the original clay models.

>>4844173
>>4844279
>>4844284
>Dat Kumatora
It's really cool how close that looks to the final version. Most of that, while visually different, is still very recognizable. I actually wish we saw this version instead of the GBA one, although the Gamecube would have been a better choice than the N64.

>>4848032
All things considered, I like the 3D on the N64 proto. It kind of looks like they were trying to make them seem like the claymodels. Of course, it looks very polygonal, but there's a lot of effort put into the faces of each character.
I hope someday the prototype will surface. I used to think it was impossible but if Pokemon Gold Beta appeared, maybe one day.

>>4848032
what they really should have done is digitize the clay models like that old SNES game clay fighter

>>4828672
4th-D slip

>>4848069
If Itoi was in charge and it wasn't a cheap cash in, I would like to see Mother remakes that perfectly replicate the clay models. We're at the point where it could be done and look really good and not gimmicky. The danger there being that they might want to update the battle system from the stationary Dragon Quest style fights with trippy backgrounds.

>>4844284
I like this version of EB64 way more than the trailer version people keep nutting over.

>>4848032
>tfw they have the technology, and still have not remade the trilogy with claymation visuals.

Shouldn't be surprised though. They didn't revive any of their zapper related games when the motion control storm hit, even after making an actual Zapper peripheral, and they also haven't revived pokemon snap now that there's a billion new pokemon, and we're literally in the age where you can share screenshots to social media, and the game consoles have built in cameras and gyroscopes.

>>4830505
Sauron from the Books from The Lord of the Rings (he never appear in the books)

>>4830701
that could explain the form of their arms.

>>4849370
what i'd really like to see is a full length claymation film based around EB, with nancy cartwright as ness

>hey, is that tree following me?
>Ah! It's an enemy!
>AAAH! IT EXPLODES!

>>4849791
>he never appear in the books
Yeah he does.
Even if we're just limiting ourselves specifically to LOTR he is described as essentially being the baleful eye at the top of Barad Dur and Gollum recounts being personally tortured by Sauron.

>>4849370
>>4850142
This would be the best case scenario, and I'd pay top dollar to sit in a theater to see an adorable claymation take on Mother.

thoughts on the mother encyclopedia?

Y'know, I'm a bit disturbed by the New Age Retro Hippie taking out a ruler for measuring.

What is he measuring in front of these kids, exactly?

Anyone here ever grind for it? Is it actually worth it, does it make Poo any better?

>>4855114
I got all of Poo's special equip items, as well as at least each of every other rare drop in the game.
Short answer: It's not worth it.
Sword of Kings is the only weapon Poo uses that actually raises his attack stat, but Poo's speciality is PSI anyways. It's just there as a collectable rare item that might make Poo better, but it's not actually necessary.
It's nice if you get it unintentionally while playing normally and don't grind for it though, happened to me once.

>>4855114
it's +30 offense. Not that big of a boost.

>it would have been an even bigger surprise

But the game's called Gyiyg's counterattack in Japan. That plot point's already spoiled anyway when Buzz Buzz introduces himself.

>>4855114
I forget, where is it located at?

>>4855206
No, because Gyiyg did NOT look like fucking this: >>4830828 when you saw him last time.

It's weirder *with* the context, because then you actually have some foundation to your expectations, you remember him, he was >>4830512
But then you find what ever the fuck he turned into in the second game, and you immediately start wondering just what the hell happened to him between games.

>>4855209
Stonehenge base, you have to grind the Starmen Supers to get them, because they have like a 1 in 128 chance of dropping.

And the Starmen Super are just tedious cunts, especially if the nuclear robots are coming along with them.

>>4855297
I just kill the supers and then run from the robots. Usually works I think.

>>4855289
it's pretty obvious: he was so enraged that he was defeated by a group of children that he became the lovecraftian horror we know him as

>>4855352
it still really bugs me that the mother 1 kids weren't mentioned in EB

>>4855381
there's theories that say that the face that appears when you get to giygas is supposed to be ninten if that satisfies you

>>4855402
Not him, but not really. I'd have appreciated domething a bit more concrete. Like, what was Ninten up to during Mother 2?

>>4855409
it's likely that Ninten would be fresh out of college and working a job of some kind, Lloyd and Ana as well

>>4855419
ninten wouldn't probably be that old.

>>4855409
>Like, what was Ninten up to during Mother 2?
>something new has come up!

>>4855452
EB takes place about ten years after the events of Mother 1, and according to lore Ninten was 12 years old or so when he defeated Giygas, so it's fair to assume that he would either be a college student or out of college I also think that Lloyd would be working at one of the Museums or as an assistant to Andonuts

>>4855468
but mother 1 takes place in 198x and eb takes place in 199x. not necessarily ten years

>>4855484
Anywhere from 1 to 19 years, then. Quite a big time frame to work with.

>>4855484
still, it's likely that Ninten would be a teenager or young adult during the events of EB

>>4855502
...if he wasn't dead

>>4855509
Okay, now what the hell makes you think he'd be dead?

>>4855536
four new heroes were needed for a reason
or maybe he was buzz buzz.

>>4855561
Interesting thought. I just kinda figured it'd be more because he's no longer a kid, and his powers have dwindled since he no longer needs them.

>>4855536
seconding this, there's hardly any evidence for that to happen

>>4855352
Well, yeah, he became an intergalactic hate ghost with alzheimers, that is evident as the fight gets going.
But the initial surprise still works, because there's nothing anywhere to indicate that Gyiyg went through that transformation.

Like imagine if they made a new Mario game, Bowser isn't seen, but he's frequently mentioned. You've played Mario games before, so you know what he looks like, you've got an idea of what to expect. The game isn't really extraordinary or very weird, not more than typical for Mario.
But then at the end of the game, you do find Bowser, and now he's 20ft tall, muscled and roided out like fuck, to the point that his skin can barely contain his muscles, he outgrew his shell and cracked it (you even see it), and also, he's retarded now and only communicates in high pitched screams.
You'd be all "What the fuck happened to Bowser?"

>>4855561
Ninten is ness' dad

>>4856663
Would that mean Ana is Ness's mom?
They both have blonde hair and blue eyes.

>>4856651
Taking the piss here but that sounds not very far off from Giant Baby Bowser.

>>4842613
Also being more forgiving of artstyle. Earthbound is usually cited as being overlooked back then because it wasn't as technically advanced as chrono trigger or final fantasy 6

>>4856663
Highly unlikely that Ninten is Ness's dad, though I don't doubt that they're related some way or another, possibly cousins

>>4857412
>Highly unlikely that Ninten is Ness's dad
why though

>>4857563
it was already mentioned in the thread that EB takes place a decade or so after Mother 1, do you think that Ninten and Ana could settle down and have a thirteen year old boy in that amount of time?

>>4857795
in exactly 19 years? sure.

>>4857823
It's worth noting that in the famicom version of mother 1 the setting is 1988, the "19 years" shit goes out the window there

>>4857858
maybe they did some time traveling.

maybe they traveled to space and came back experiencing some relativity.

the idea that ninten is more likely to be in the body of a time traveling insect because of time linearity is just ridiculous

>>4858240
I mean, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, Ninten never really had a whole destined chosen one thing going on, Psi was a technology that George stole and the whole storyline was based on a family relation to the orphaned super powered alien Gyiyg

in the end Gyiyg relents but does Ninten just sit around chilling out about the near apocalypse? maybe they decide a way to prepare for when he comes back, just as Gyiyg prepares by traveling through time and changing the essence of his being, Ninten and his friends travel through time to create the one hope of stopping him

everytime you fall in battle Ninten 4th Dimension Slips in to save you

>Ness!
>It looks like you got your head handed to you.
>So, how about giving it another shot?

>>4854486
The length of his bong

>>4856904
>not as technologically advanced
CT and FF6 must've had some crazy shit to combat the Giygas battle, the ost, and the backgrounds that occupy each battle

So which is the best version of Mother 1 to play that also lets me use the easy patch?

>>4859046
Pro-tip: you don't really need the easy patch

>>4859051
I have low tolerance for random encounters

>>4859113
casual

>>4859113
you're not fit to play mother, or any other nes rpg then

>>4859130
>>4859128
>mother fans have resorted to skill-gating

>>4859139
Ok now you're sounding like a big faggot

>>4859158
please let everyone enjoy your sacred cow, senpai

>>4859139
>>4859162
>anyone who makes fun of an ADHD kid who can't endure fast and quick 8bit RPG battles is a gate-keeping Mother fan

>>4859046
The anniversary patch or the normal with easy mode. Don't listen to faggots who say the original, it's unbearable and they only say it's good because muh faux nostalgia or because they watched a longplay on youtube.
The game was dated even by nes standards.

>>4859171
>>4859139
do any of you faggots know what 4th D slip is?

>>4859263
mother 1 is too hard a bloo bloo

>>4859130
yeah hence using the mod

>>4859171
thank you anon

>>4859171
whats the difference in difficulty/grinding for anniversary vs easy mode?

>>4859171
Nigga I just played through the original for the first time a month ago and it was completely fine. If you have to grind a lot you're playing the game wrong, 4th-d slip exists for a fucking reason.

>>4859171
>>4859324
And oh yeah you get fucking Teddy who one shots most enemies and he can also almost always run from battle to save PSI from using 4th-d slip. And then you have Ana with her stupidly strong PSI attacks that make both Paula and Kumatora look like a fucking joke. The best PSI Freeze ALWAYS puts the enemy in critical condition, and the best PSI Beam INSTANTLY KILLS ENEMIES

Plus their weaker versions still deal a fuck ton of damage. The game gives you the tools to deal with any bullshit you meet, and that bullshit is rare until you get to Mt. Itoi, and by that point you should have enough PSI to make it through with PK Beams and 4th-d slips if necessary. I found the game easy as fuck, I can't imagine making it even more easy.

Can I have some tips for Mother 1?
I'm trying to level up Ana but the enemies always focus on her and try to kill her!
Should I go back to Magicant for grinding?

>>4859597
Magicant is good for grinding with Lloyd/Ana, so yes

>>4859597
Yes. Buy her the best equipment you can get from Magicant and she son't die as quickly. Also use Defense up, it DOUBLES your defense stat so it can make you near invincible against non-PSI using enemies. That is only if you have a decent defense stat already though.

>>4859597
buy plasma beams for lloyd in reindeer. they do a lot of damage

>>4860335
You can also get them randomly from the red bar bots. However they do break and I forget if its random or after a certain amount of uses.

>>4860339
it's a 12% chance of breaking after every time its used. Not that much of a concern when you can buy them.

>>4860364
it would be wise to buy three or four of them, then

>>4860364
>>4860371
I never really bought more than one since I got lucky a few times with the red bar bots. However you should always spend your money on getting the best defensive equipment from Magicant first.

>>4860372
yeah, magicant defensive items are always the best thing to buy. But the plasma beams will out-damage lloyd's normal weapons for a long time and are definitely worth the cash

>>4859139
That's such a fucking gay thing to say.

>>4861002
I don't think gay is very descriptive in this case

don't we have a word for hate posers who just intentionally drag everyone down yet

they're real bucket lobsters man

>>4861282
No, it's definitely gay.

>>4839128
Incorrect, slightly. You can go into the house with Teddy, as long as you don't touch the door to the left, where Ninten and Ana get private time together.

>>4861282
not liking mother 1 makes you a poser now?

>>4861445
you clearly don't care about the game nor have any interest in anything other than hurting other people to mask the burning pain that you feel inside every single day

>>4861445
complaining about the random encounters while being unaware of 4th d slip does

it's just time to face facts that mother 1 aged like milk and earthbound was a re-write that was better in every way

>>4861893
I can't deny that Earthbound did things a lot better but to say that Mother 1 has aged horribly is absurd

>>4861893
>re-write
It really wasn't, though. Play the games some day.

>>4856651
Kinda what I felt when I saw Giga Bowser in Melee for the first time as a kid. Especially with his fucked up version of the Final Destination theme, shit was impactful.

>>4830797
What's a parapet?

>>4861893
How is it a rewrite?
Some elements are imitated, but most things are dramatically different.

>>4838204
time traveler
he came from the same future as Buzz-Buzz

>>4864015
I've always wanted to see what this future where Giygas rules looks like

Mother 1 remake when?

>>4864091
It really isn't necessary honestly. The fan translation with a color restoration patch is as good as we're going to get. It's a shame about the music but not having the shit script of the prototype is well worth it.

>>4864091
it's good as is, even with the shoddy NoA translation

>>4864091
Fan remake? Give it 20 years considering the snails pace its coming along at. Seriously I remember following Mother 1 remakes back in 2006 and they claim to still be in the works, but have made almost no progress.

As for official remakes, NEVER EVER. It's not a flagship franchise, so Nintendo sees no point in ever doing anything with it beyond it's original release.

A real shame, we have the technology to make the games look like the official art, but it'll never happen.

>>4864091
This fan remake and "Mother 4" or whatever they intend to call it now have been on my radar since forever. There's something about the Earthbound/Mother 3 aesthetic that's so inviting... the sprites aren't exactly the most detailed and they're not amazingly animated but they carry across a simple but effective look, perhaps even deceptively so.

>>4864169
simplicity is king anon, the original smb is one of my favorite games in terms of visuals despite it having a limited palette

How's the anniversary patch? I've played through this game like five times so I'm thinking of trying it for something somewhat different.

>>4864304
it lowers down the encounter rate, changes the sprites and alters some dialogue, at least according to starmen

>>4864327
so it's basically easy ring + different graphics. well, whatever, maybe I'll get something new from it.

>>4864557
the visuals are a plus but the random encounter lowering kills it for me

>>4865228
I'm somewhat indifferent if only because I have an idea of what I'm getting into. Mostly just giving it a shot for something slightly different this time; hoping to get that from the visuals.

>>4866028
to be honest i have a soft spot for the original's visuals: they were simple but cute, peanuts style as I stated in the OP

>>4864169
>mother 4
>go to blog, last post: sept 2016
so, what exactly happened to this
as in where is the project now, not "were nintendo faggots again" I already know yes they were.

>>4866042
I'm not sure, I think I remember hearing that they decided to rename it and actually make it more of its independent game.

Which, if that's the actual case, I think would be the smart thing, as not only is that better, and Nintendo can't step on them, but they could potentially also sell it (assuming people want to buy it).

>>4866041
I don't have a problem with the visuals, just trying for something different.

>>4866042
I mean, they could sell it as the spiritual successor to mother/eb

started on a Mother2/Earthbound doodle last night while listening to the games ost.

>>4867397
Lost Underworld hole fall?

>>4864557
different = much shittier

>>4867427
well, i never said i was looking for something good. maybe i'll get a laugh at how bad it is.

>>4867989
I wouldn't say "bad", I would say "dumbed down", a lot of the people who played EB probably never played NES/Famicom RPGs like FF and DQ

>tfw multi-bottle rocket

>>4864169
Mother 3 is amazingly animated though, at least in comparison to EB and even it's contemporaries.
Look at scenes like the DCMC concerts, where the sprites are meticulously animated in sync with the music. Every character has 8 directional sprites, talking animations, and walking animations with several frames.
The people who worked on it were some of the same people who did SNES rpgs like Secret of Mana, so they had experience making good pixel art.
The art style is pretty simple though, being based on the art of the previous games.

>>4868084
I like how it really makes 3 look like a cartoon.

holy shit is there some kind of programming that makes ness more likely to get homesick while in the pyramid?
I've gotten it three times in the last hour trying to get through this shitty dungeon.

>>4868152
honestly I wish that Mother would have gotten an OVA or anime series like FE, Pokemon and Kirby did

>>4868159
or a french 3d cartoon like donkey kong

>>4868202
eugh, why'd you have to remind me of that hot mess?

>>4868234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZzMbI-mSo

>>4868252
while I can't deny that the songs are good, that show is garbage otherwise

>>4858456
most people would just see pics of the overworld which doesnt have a lot to pull in the graphics crowd

>>4828693
>just because the nes was at the end of its life cycle

Nigga what

New NES games were still being released as late as 93 and 94

hell, Kirby's Adventure was released in 93

>>4830512
TAKE A MELODY

>>4844310
And then he kicks your ass if you're underleveled or if you can't strategy right

>>4864096
Just use this
https://forum.starmen.net/forum/Community/PKHack/Mother-Earthbound-for-NES-with-tomato-s-translation

earthbound game with the cast of donkey kong when

>>4869216
Simple as can be

>>4869412
Give it some words and

>>4870063
Sweet Harmony

>>4870148
Raise your voices

>Juana flashed a darling smile

>>4870545
>Ninten used 4th-d slip!

>>4870545
Juana is so hot.

>>4870569
go watch metropolis

>>4870627
I know.
I also recommend the 2003 anime movie, based on the Tezuka manga, which was loosely inspired by the film.

>Ninten is puzzled
>Ana is puzzled
>Teddy is puzzled

>>4870641
I actually just watch that movie.
gonna be honest, I thought the ending would be better if Kenichi didn't/couldn't rebuild Tima

>>4870168
All day long now

I played MOTHER about 4 years back (GBA MOTHER 1+2 fan translation, didn't use the added item but I did use the space bar to grind quickly) and I liked it for that classic /x/ feeling. George and Maria's story at the beginning of the game really hooked me with how unnerving it was. While it wasn't a story-heavy game, I still enjoyed it and the arranged OST grew on me so much. Flying Man is the best. Despite this, I was having a difficult time getting into EarthBound. If MOTHER can be described as "American, suburban, paranormal", EarthBound feels more "American, suburban, surreal". Like it just feels more like the paranormal aspects are just part of the overall surreal vibe rather than the other way around like in the first game.

I didn't get too far into EarthBound, but I really want to play MOTHER 3. The music I've heard is special among GBA music.

>>4870891
Mother 3 is a lot more linear and story, and character based. Give it a shot. Its music is pretty good for a GBA game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF0Fb682rsY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZN02zPNirY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apcScuy2ka0

>>4870908
Oh yeah, I'll definitely play it, it's just that I feel it wouldn't be right if I didn't complete EarthBound first. I know that apart from a few threads, the stories aren't connected and you don't need to play one to enjoy the other, but I already tackled MOTHER first, so I want to go all the way do it in chronological order.

I've considered furthering my Japanese so I can play the entire series that way. I know that translations, both official and fan, are a huge recurring thing in the community, but boy would I like to experience it as it was originally written.

>>4870919
the Mother series reminds me of Tolkien in that way, while it isn't necessary to have known about the previous installment to understand the story, the realizations about plot elements start to pop up if you know about the previous one

>>4870919
Well both Mother 1 and 3's patches are pretty much direct translations of the originals. Earthbound is the only one that gets changed, and even then it isn't that much. The biggest change is probably Magicant, where Ness is naked in the Japanese version and wears pajamas in the western verison.

>>4870883
Love grows strong now

>>4871295
Sing a melody of

>>4871302
Love, oh love...

the more I think about it, the more I wonder if Monotoli was a Trump parody/reference. I'm sure Trump would have been known in Japan by the 90's and Fourside is a pretty clear NYC analogue. Plus I think one of the NPCs mentions him being a real estate developer before taking over the city.

>>4871780
Monotoli ended up being a good guy anyway, he was just being controlled by the Mani Mani.
Now, what could the Mani Mani be an analogy for?

>>4871783
greed of mankind

>>4871784
or just evil thoughts in general.

>>4871784
greed is good, or at least that's what Wario told me

>>4871793
True and Wario could probably beat Ness

>>4871798
come to think of it, pokey is basically the wario to ness's mario

>>4871804
Not really surprising. It's a older than dirt Paragon vs Sinner/ Evil Counterpart plot.

>>4871814
though I really wouldn't say either are evil, Wario is fueled by his greed and has shown that he is capable of doing heroic things, Pokey was corrupted by Giygas and his abusive parents but still never really hated Ness

>>4871826
Mario collects coins on his way to save people and lands.
Wario saves people and lands on the way to score some fat cash.

>>4871780
I think the biggest problem with that theory is that he's so old. Trump parodies at the time were always middle-aged men on the top of their game.

>>4871845
Monotoli is more or less a generic "ancient businessman" character a-la C. Montgomery Burns, if he were truly a Trump parody there would have been a casino in Fourside or a reference to a divorced wife

>>4871865
>>4871845
but his penthouse is entirely gold

>>4870919
The English translations of EB and M3 are actually quite good, so aside from being worth playing overall, even if you know Japanese, it's almost worth seeing the translated games.

>>4871868
Trump has a gilded penthouse?

>>4871951
google "trump penthouse" and see something out of Goldfinger's wet dreams

>>4871868
Other than that and the real estate thing, there's hardly anything Trump about him, he's more like Rich Uncle Pennybags which by the way, DIDJA KNOW ITOI MADE A MONOPOLY GAME?!

>>4871772
Love is the power

>>4872493
Love is the glory

>>4871804
I don't know, I don't think Wario would go as far as Porkey would, what with all the Giygas stuff.

>>4871965
Well, that's certainly some shit.
Is that shit all gold, for real?

>>4873420
Wario would kill giygas if he thought he had cash stashed away

>>4873429
Well, yeah.

I just don't think he'd sell the universe up the river for cash, because I think he actually likes the means that money give him, y'know, he likes having a nice place to live, I'm assuming he likes good food, comfort, entertainment, that he has hobbies in his off time, things that you need other people to make happen.
What's the point of being rich if you can't make use of it, and can't use it brag and compare yourself to other people with?

>>4873448
>>4873429
it's already been established that wario isn't truly evil, for example in wario land 3 he unwittingly helps pic related take over the music box world only to defeat him, and saves the inhabitants of the music box world

>>4873517
Rudy attacked wario first though. Had rudy not betrayed, the people of the music box would have been trapped forever

>>4872652
Love is the beauty

Starmen > Pigmasks
Ayys > Chimeras

I didn't like Mother 3's enemies too much, I think Mother 1 has the best enemies in the series.

>>4875196
Yeah, mother 1's enemies had the strongest feeling of alien invasion.
You're facing an uphill battle most of the game, too. Really makes the enemies more memorable in general.

I really do appreciate that most of mother 1's enemies are robots, aliens, zombies/ghosts and wildlife. It's pretty cohesive groupings compared to the "anything goes" nature of Earthbound's enemies.

>>4875239
I remember hearing a theory that the reasons enemies start getting so weird in Earhbound and Mother 3 is because the Earth is getting more and more influenced with PSI over time, creating the strange creatures. A neat idea but like more theories there's nothing to support it.

>>4875245
I think it's a cool theory. Honestly it'd be a pretty good springboard for a fantasy setting in general. Just introducing like psi or magic or radiation into an accurate and going hog-wild with all the divergence it could cause.

But in Mother's case I doubt it was deliberate. I think Itoi just eased his wackiness into the games over time in that regard.

>>4875250
Yeah, I think Itoi probably kept things toned down in Mother 1 since it was his first game then decided to go a bit more wacky in Earthbound and Mother 3.

>>4875250
>an accurate
*accurate real world depiction

1 is the best in the series, great characters, great story, great music, great lore
2 has dumb story fucks up the lore completely no characters and shit inventory
3 has retarded and really bad written story Itoi so afraid to commit to anything story wise, too much badly handled melodrama, a fucking dog is a party member, even if you like dogs thats a waste in a game with only 4 characters in your party

Should I grind like crazy before I go to Mt. Itoi?

>>4876137
Nah, just use 4th D-Slip if you're in trouble. You can beat the game with Ninten around level 30.

>>4876137
No. Just use 4th D-slip and PK beam/PK Freeze and you should be fine. You should be able to take down blue starmen though. Just be sure to continue climbing up the mountain once you get EVE, and don't go back down. Mt. Itoi isn't really that long anyway, I'd say Duncan's Factory is worse since you have less PSI to use.

>>4876185
I always stock up on bottle rockets for Duncan's factory. They really soften up battles with multiple enemies.
And the H2O ring.

>>4876615
it always bugged me that you couldn't find bottle rockets anywhere else in the game, or that they weren't sold in the department stores

>>4876627
Well you get bombs for sale in reindeer not long after you get lloyd. the only obstacle is duncan's factory.

>>4876631
I don't think that anybody can deny that duncan's factory is a fucking nightmare to tread through, even with 4th d slip

>>4876640
It gets easier on subsequent playthroughs, at least. You get a better feel for the layout and know how to better defend yourself from enemies. Plus you can always warp out via Onyx Hook

>>4867072
>mean, they could sell it as the spiritual successor to mother/eb

I always find calling like that "spiritual successors" when it's a practically copy-paste plagiarism pretty dubious. I doubt an actual Mother 4 would just look like Mother 3.

>>4876792
Really what "spiritual successor" means is it's similar but has a lot of things different, like how the original fallout games are considered spiritual successors to an old 80's game wasteland which reminds me, back in college I wanted to make a parody/homage to the mother games called "Henry Savary's Bizarre Adventures" which revolved around 4 kids trying to save their town from a Beetlejuice like demon named Siegfried Schreckenstein

>>4828665
JRPGs weren't appealing without the razzle dazzle
Remember FF7 sold on muh graphix / music

>>4876808
earthbound had shitloads of razzle-dazzle, the diverse soundtrack and psychedelic backgrounds of the battles proves this but it still didn't sell well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoK-MgBCdBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDnpZjApD-I

>>4828983
Ultima, Might & Magic and Wizardry were the Grand Triumvirate of RPG in the old days.

>>4876808
Bitch FF1 came out in 1990 in North America and sold boatloads without hype or graphics or even a fucking fully working game. There's absolutely no grounds to say that Mother wouldn't have been just as much as a success as Final Fantasy based on its graphics or music. You ignorant slut, the hype train around FF7 was to expand the fanbase, not create one.

>>4877063
desu I think that it would have been more popular/digestible for western audiences than the original ff because of the american setting, as stated in the OP

>>4877063
OK but FF7 is the first RPG I really got into
-28 year old boomer

>>4874045
And the joy of Spring

>>4870891
EarthBound has less story than MOTHER, but makes up for it with better gameplay and more surreal moments and music. Its soundtrack is more experimental, with samples being used a lot.

That being said, EarthBound starts speeding up around the end of Onett and reaches full speed after Threed and Winters. If you got to Threed before stopping, don't worry. It's meant to slow you down, and once you get to Fourside, the game goes full steam ahead.

>>4875512
>he doesn't like Jeff who can BTFO bosses in seconds

One of the main reasons I replay Earthbound is for the sound effects. So many great quirky sounds. Reminds me of the Atari or an arcade.

Are the sound effects in Mother 1 as good? Never played it.

>>4877836
the pk thunder sound is pretty good

>>4875512

Most contrarian post I've ever read on 4chan and that's saying something. Congrats.

>>4877603
Love is the magic

>>4877910
Its my real opinion, I dont care if its contrarian or not.

>>4877836
>One of the main reasons I replay Earthbound is for the sound effects.

If you can get really focused on the sound, it's amazing the things you will pick out. I've only smoked "muh weed lol" twice in my life, once while playing EB. I listened to battle music for a few minutes before taking an action, it's unreal how good it is. I've never smoked again, but I still love just listening to all the little touches in the music and sound effects.

>>4879005
It's probably got the most diverse soundtrack of any game I've played

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9spthA_nAA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRxujy80HYs

>>4879082
My bones.
Your bones.
Bone's bones.
Bone bone bone.

>>4879121
Hello and Goodbye.
Should I?
Yes >No
Then, goodbye!

>>4878532
Love is the story

>>4830512

Your mother loves you Giegue.

;_;

>>4828665
Wtf RPGs were popular then.

>>4880174
He knows that but he doesn't want to acknowledge it, that's why he suppressed his feelings for so long

>>4880193

Which is why only his nephew singing that song was able to break through. And he left, emotionally distraught.

And why I love Cognitive Dissonance so much, so good despite it being a fangame

>>4880204
And so his insane ramblings in Earthbound were about Maria, and Ninten, Lloyd and Ana

>>4880206

And George as well probably. As sad and depressing as it is, killing him in Earthbound is likely a mercy.

>>4880215
I sympathize with him far more than I do pokey to be honest

>>4880223

Likewise anon; Giegue and his family's story are my favourite part of the series by far.

Especially after the CogDis fangame, but I've rambled enough about that.

>>4880227
anyways, let's discuss the NoA question: Should they translate and release Mother 3? I've said this in another thread but I want to see Marcus Lindblom, the guy who translated Earthbound, translate Mother 3, he helped shape the humor of Earthbound, and I feel he can do it for Mother 3 as well

>>4880234

Of course I think they should (I probably wouldn't be in this thread if I thought otherwise).

And yes, Marcus Lindblom 'should' also be the bloke to translate it for a NoA release I live in the UK though.

Whether they ever will is another story, despite the vocal fanbase.

>>4880245
Honestly I'm surprised that Mother has fans in Europe, thought that it would be deemed "too American and weird", compared to say, Fire Emblem

>>4880257

I can't speak for elsewhere in Europe, but for myself (and presumably other Britbongs) it's all familiar enough that it's not 'too weird'. Personally, all the quirks, the goofiness and eldritch-y stuff to the emotional peaks appeal very highly to me.

I've never played FE

>>4880265
Oh I can imagine it faring well in the UK, the Simpsons is popular over there and that's the most quirky parody of American culture I can think of

>>4880279

Not so popular anymore, but Futurama is still talked about regularly.

Mother has its hardcore fans here certainly, with myself being one.

>>4880326
Simpsons has just burned out in popularity because the series itself has burned out in quality by this point.
I think the golden age of the series was just as liked there as anywhere else.

>>4880234
I think an official mother 3 translation would cause a huge division.
I mean, who wants to get into a million "Fassad vs NOA's name for Yokuba" arguments?

>>4880337
Eh, It's worth it just to play it on actual Nintendo hardware. Same with Mother 1/Earthbound beginnings, even with the shoddy translation from 1990.

>>4880334

Oh yeah, certainly it was popular back when. Just now I only hear Futurama talked about occasionally, whilst Simpsons seems almost forgotten.