/vr/ - Retro Games

that's literally true though. saturn was never good, much like sega overall.

>>4836965
>that's literally true though. saturn was never good, much like sega overall.

It's a pretty good console if you like untranslated VNs and okay arcade ports.

>>4836994
absolutely abhorrent post

>normie
It's normalfag, you normalfag. Gtfo back to plebbit.

>>4837062
this

>>4836965
>shitposting on /vr/ is fun just like /v/

It's hard, therefore it sucks.
What's the point of playing, I get no reward or achievement in-game.
Man, this arcade game is too short and easy, you have infinite continues.
Beating a 15-60 game with limited continues is unfair and unfun.
I don't like this game's aesthetics, I won't give it a chance to see how it plays.
I play games for the story.
Drawing my own maps is unappealing, I want an arrow above my head.
RPGs is the best genre because they are the longest games with the most content.

"Final Fantasy VII is the best RPG ever!"

..but the Saturn was bad, with no games

>>4836965
Who would know? It's too difficult to emulate.

>>4836965
kay. Metal Slug 3, and garou are the bestest neo geo games.

>>4837231

1260 games in japan. Thats three times as many as there were mega drive games. Its not my fault you cant read japanese you filthy lying cunt.

>>4836965
You're a normie too, OP. Playing 25 year-old video games does not make you special. The same goes for the rest of us.

>turbo tunnel is the hardest level in gaming history

>>4837231
>..but the N64 was bad, with no games

ftfy

>The Nintendo 64 has lots of great games.

>>4837231
Still better than Dreamcast, N64 and PC Engine, other revered /vr/ systems.

Anyway, have some best platformer of the late '90s.

>>4837508
I don't play retro games to feel special. I play them because they are objectively superior to the garbage that gets pumped out today, unfortunately.

>>4837721
No they're not. Great games are being released every year, a lot of them much better than anything from before 2000

>>4837721
That's fine. Just don't feel you have any right to go FUCKING NORMIES REEEEE because of it.

>Great games are being released every year, a lot of them much better than anything from before 2000

>>4838289
>le all modern games are bad maymay

>>4838292
Don't you have an epic fortnite match to be playing on your xbox with your dudebros?

>>4838245
I wish that no frogposting was a global rule desu

>>4838293
No, but I reckon I could continue playing the B-side levels in Celeste :)

>>4836965
The whole premise of this thread is flawed. Normies have no fucking clue what the Saturn is.

>>4837717
Gonna disagree with you on the Dreamcast. Everything the Saturn excelled at, the Dreamcast did better.

>>4838305
>Celeste
Overrated trash, Volgarr the Viking is much better but still nowhere near as good as the best platformers from the '80s-'90s.

>>4836994
you're a fool

>>4837062
This.
>>4837721
>objectively
Other than that, I agree.

>2D is for old phone games, real games are in 3D

it aged poorly

>>4838435
Games age. Get over it.

>>4838241
like what? minecraft?

>>4838470
MC was a decent game before it blew up in 2012

>>4837584
>if someone criticizes the Saturn, then I must assume it's from a Nintendo fanboy

>>4838478
>it was great until normies ruined muh sekret autism club

>>4838486
>duhuhuh who gives a shit about quality, the more the merrier

>I love retro anon member PS3?

>>4838478
>MC was a decent game before it blew up in 2012
kek

>>4838504
>I love retro anon member PS1? Man, FFVII. I play games for the plot.

>>4838312
Sure they have. They'll say "it's that mysterious Sega system that came out in between the Genesis and the Dreamcast that I only heard of but never saw."

>Final Fantasy VII is the greatest game of all time!

>>4838450
>Games age. Get over it.

>Hey guys I can't play anymore tonight, I've got to get up early and go to work tomorrow!

>>4838572
Greentexting is not an argument.

>Greentexting is not an argument.

>>4838583
>>4838581
stop with the shitposting

>>4838583
Goddamn I hate summer so fucking much.

>>4838598

>>4838598
Agreed

>>4838527
Yeah, no. Normies know the following systems:

Game Boy series
DS series
NES
SNES
N64
GameCube
Genesis
PlayStation series
Xbox series

That's it.

>>4838610
>implying normies wouldn't know about the Dreamcast due to the re-releases of its games
Lad...

>>4836965
That's not a normie opinion, that's a /v/ shitposter opinion. A normie would be weebing it up and praising the system.

>>4838621

People knew about the Dreamcast because it was a system that sold very well and had some of the best exposure to the public through advertising of any system (well, not in Europe, but who cares?). It was very popular with normies, in fact sold faster than the GCN and xbox on a per-year basis.

>>4836965
>Nintendo hard

>>4836965
>/v/ tier threads like this are a good idea and totally funny

>>4838621
That is exactly what I'm implying. What Dreamcast releases do you think normies would even be familiar with? They 100% think the Sonic Adventure games started on GameCube.

>>4838650
Okay fine. Maybe normies in their early to mid-30s know about the Dreamcast.

>>4838681

Normies know basically every Dreamcast game that sold well, of which there are many.

Name one they don't know.

Oh and Sonic Adventure sold better on Dreamcast than GCN.

>>4838686
They might be familiar with some of the games because they were ported to the PS2, but have no idea what console they were originally from.

>>4838690

No, anon, as a matter of fact the Dreamcast was a wildly popular system in its short lifespan that normies were all over from day 1 and the reason Sega still died was because they were spending too much cash and were already in a bad state in the first place because the Saturn was only profitable in Japan and the 32x was a disaster.

Your handwaving looks stupid and is wrong. Normies know all about the Dreamcast and they bought it in droves, everybody in my high school at the time had access to one and wanted to play it. They all had exposure to Jet Set Radio, Crazy Taxi, and Sonic.

There is no imaginary Dreamcast club that you seem to desire. It's actually a consumer electronic that was very popular in several countries. People in circles and cliques that you clearly are trying to separate from your special club actually played the console actively.

>>4838690
Nope. You underestimate the gaming community. The internet is right at our fingertips.

Even some 21 year old guy I work with knows the dreamcast.

>>4838695
On the contrary, I picked up my Dreamcast at Electronics Boutique on 9/9/99 along with my group of nerd friends in my senior year of high school. I'm talking about actual normies, not the type of people that post on /vr/. They all waited for the PS2.

>>4838704

No they didn't, your group of friends wasn't representative of anything, by the way. PS2 marketing (I actually think the PS2 was the best marketed console of all time, btw, better than the Wii even) didn't even racket up until it was already clear the Dreamcast was a threat.

Or are you actually trying to claim NFL 2k1, one of the best selling games of the year in America and exclusive to Dreamcast, was a nerd game?

>>4838715
I'm not denying that Dreamcast did pretty well in North America for the first year. It was pretty quickly forgotten after that though.

>>4838716

Another unsubstantiated claim. That's not true.

You're literally claiming people's memories disappeared so you can have a special club. That is PATHETIC.

Dreamcast was a hugely popular system that died because the company behind it was in critical condition. Nothing more and nothing less. Normies loved that thing.

>>4838482
>if someone criticizes the N64. then I must assume it's from a Sony Fanboy

>>4838719
Sega's financial troubles aside, the main problem the Dreamcast ran into is that its graphics quickly became outdated. Shenmue/Shenmue II pretty much maxed out what the hardware was capable of and the PS2 fall/winter of 2001 releases completely outclassed it graphically. Not sure what Sega could've really done had they continued to support it much further into the sixth gen. The DC is tied with the GameCube as my most loved console of all time though.

>>4838715
Just wanted to point out that "racket up" isn't a thing. I think you meant 'ratchet up'?

>>4837062
Spotted to aspie

>>4836965

Metal Slug 3 and Garou mark of the wolves are the best neo geo games. Actually they are number 2 and number 1 in every retarded TOP 10 "Best" neo geo games list.

>>4838690
You're a fucking idiot man. Gain knowledge. Stop making stupid posts on the internet and gain some clues about the things you seem to be interested in.

>>4836965
No "normie" that is familiar with the Saturn is going to shit talk it. That's strictly some /v/ and /vr/ anti-smark bullshit.

>>4836965
It was bad. I had to sell it because it was too boring. There is a reason it never took off. It has no system seller.

>>4837717
>PC Engine
>better than the Saturn

>>4837717
>Saturn
>Better than the PC Engine

Saturn was good for the end user looking for late, great 2D gaming, but on any objective metric, it's a massive fuckup and the thing that actually killed Sega. It's an inelegant clusterfuck under the hood and it's actually kind of amazing how well it hides that from the end user.

>>4836965
>normie
>opinion
>ITT
How about you spend your summer somewhere else?

The fuck summer is doing on /vr/? Don't you have /v/ for threads like this?

>>4838470
Souls games, Uncharted games, Bayonetta games, Deadly Premonition, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Spec Ops: The Line, Dragon's Dogma, Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, The Talos Principle, Dying Light, Breath of the Wild, Kingdom Come: Deliverance

>>4839843
>uncharted
You almost had a flawless list of good modern games.

>>4838721
?

>>4839849
whats wrong with uncharted

>>4836965
"Megaman 2 is the best Megaman Game ever!"

>>4839864
not him, but
>behind shoulder cover shooter with contextual movement

>>4839864
S U M M E R

>>4839849
Oh fuck off. The Uncharted games scratch a certain itch because Hollywood no longer makes fun adventure movies like that. It’s a nice break from the metric fuckton of open world games on the market.

>>4839886
Please go back

>>4839890
Yeah, yeah, whatever. I enjoyed Uncharted 4 more than any summer action movie from the last five years. Enjoy you drab, depressing Souls games I guess.

>>4839886
But we're talking video games, not movies.

>>4839894
I legitimately enjoy Naughty Dog’s particular brand of cover shooting and stealth mechanics. To each his own.

>>4838725
This. The Dreamcast was a fantastic console but I really don’t see how it could have continued to compete in the sixth gen.

And people say Tumblr has special snowflake syndrome.

"Turn based combat was just a necessity at the time"

>>4836965
People that can’t grasp RE style tank controls always exasperates me. It was the best solution for maneuvering through fixed camera environments without getting disoriented when the angle changes.

>Metal Gear Solid is my favorite retro '''game'''!

>Genesis sounds like fart

>>4839939
shut up nerd

>>4839943
I have never heard anybody say that the Genesis sounds fartish, usually "Heavy Metal/Gritty"

>>4836965
I've got news for you.
Normies don't have any opinion on the Saturn.

>>4838621
You really are insulated in the video game world...

>>4839948
What? It gets said all the time on this board.

>>4837153
WHERE ARE THE SAVE POINTS

>>4836965
it's not a bad console but it absolutely is a second rate Playstation

my favorite is
>the megabuster ruined megaman and therefore MM4 sucks!

did people forget about abusing the metal blade in MM2?

>>4839953
Normies that like games know of the Saturn, thanks to Virtua Fighter 2 and NiGHTS.

Now the Master System? THAT'S something nobody in America gives a rat's ass about.

>>4836965
somehow the master system is starting to gain a similar status to the PC Engine, when in fact it still sucks balls outside a handful of games

>but it has Dragon Trap!
has a higher framerate on pce with battery save, and you have to mod your system just to get FM sound

>>4839968
WHERE IS THE QUICKSAVE FEATURE

>>4839983
The FM sound makes all the difference, though. It's so much better than PC Engine's shitty sound chip.

>>4840005
holy shit imagine being this wrong

>>4839981
dude normies don't know about fucking nights into dreams

>>4840014
yeah they do, since sega shoehorned nights into several sanic games (sa1, sa2, the new allstars racing games, etc) and sanic is one of the most normie videogames of all time

>modern sequel/spiritual successor has way less features and detail compared to the original
>this is completely acceptable

inb4 streamlining is good
It can be good if the tiresome frustrating shitty things are streamlined, but not when the literal core features that made the original game so fun get removed.

>>4840014
You are really stupid and have never actually talked to anyone who plays video games.

I don't know if it's true or not but my local game store has a very small collection of non-sports Saturn games.

>>4840014
nights is literally the most popular game on saturn

>>4837062
This. Also based.

It feels like I'm on /v/ what happened?

ITT: People make up what defines a normie on the fly.

>>4836965
Nintendo 64 didn't have fun games and everything was ugly and lonely feeling. PSX was the shit and had actual variety.

>>4840449
Quite the opposite. That's the opinion of the typical /vr/ contrarian fagtard. Normies fondly remember the N64 as it was the party machine of choice. Many a nights were filled with Smash Bros. and Goldeneye.

>>4837062
only newfags get that caught up over fitting in and 4chan lingo sweetie

>>4837062
nah its been normie for fuckin years you ever even go in r9k? Im not a robot myself but laughing at their misery is always funny

>>4840589
it's a literal bugman term and you're not fooling anyone

>>4840610
Unironically this. Gets old seeing nu-males who are so uncomfortable using the word "faggot" that they self-censor in order to avoid "triggering" themselves. It's just fucking pathetic.

>>4840540
>newfags

actually it's 'cancer' or 'summer' now

>>4840589
Whatever you say newfag plebittor

>>4841412
>unironically
Guess how I can tell you're a kid?
>>4840589
>r9k
That board is a newfag magnet, just like /pol/, /v/, /g/, /int/ and /v/.

>>4841506
>being mad at words on a screen
Guess how I can tell you're a kid?

>>4840610
>bugman
Spend less time on /pol/, sweetie.

>>4840610
>>4841483

He's right though. It *has* been 'normie' for years. 'bugman' is a newfag term though.

>>4840610
Never said it wasn't.
>>4841412
I have no problem saying faggot, faggot.
>>4841483
Yes I love rebbit so much it's the best forum on all the internet
>>4841506
New fags are entertaining at least watching them screech on r9k is so funny.


Anyway I never really saw normie as censorship just more an easy way to say normalfag and still be in your cool guy internet slang

>>4836965
>WTF is up with the resolution?
It is the original DOS Quake set to 320x200 because it pushes my hardware too much to use anything bigger.
>Just use a source port like Darkplaces
But that is a modern thing...
>Wtf is up with this horrible map anyway, there are a lot better maps on Quaddicted
But they are outside of 1996 and thus not part of the original experience
>Who cares, that stuff was terrible anyway. Would you skip playing Alien Vendetta and Plutonia Experiment 2 because they are more modern?
Yes actually. I only play Doom PWADs from 1994 and hate my life due to it. STARTAN is horrible.
>Just play modern levels
No...
>What else do you like
Thief
>Oh, haha, I tried it out but it was pretty hard to get past the first guardpost. I'm surprised, I thought you didn't touch anything recent.
Don't tell me you just thought I was talking about the remake...
>Oh, haha, I just got the original Thief as well. I got it off Steam.
But Steam includes the shitty Tafferpatcher mod...
>So? It improves the game by fixing up bugs.
What bugs does it even fix besides getting rid of limits for modern maps? Mantling now is more abusive, there is a literal cheat button as you can't climb ropes like you used to, and the detection system is entirely fucked up.
>It also allows for widescreen resolutions. Thank goodness, I couldn't tolerate the game if it didn't fit the entirety of my computer screen.

>>4841763
>But Steam includes the shitty Tafferpatcher mod...

Why is Tafferpatcher bad?
Please list all reasons.

When I beat Thief Gold and Thief II I used the community patchers.
In what ways do they mess up/unneccesarily change each game?

>>4841507
>I'll repeat his post, that'll teach him!
I wasn't mad but I am amused that you assume I'm exactly that. Does it trigger you that much that the word "unironic" doesn't even exist, let alone mean what you think it means? It's more or less a meaningless buzzword like storyfag or autism.

>>4841789
Mostly, it depends if you play FMs or not. For the original levels, it can be tolerable and ignored, but in FMs it can become exploitive.

When it comes to the original Thief, the community patch is very bad because it tries to make itself like Thief 2. This means it will "update" the water and change guard models, both of which result in incompatibilities with modifications to various FMs.

Furthermore, ropes are a major issue. Tafferpatcher made ropes shorter, which isn't much of an issue in the original game if I am right, but is a severe issue in FMs. You actually need to activate a certain key that allows you to mantle in the air, anywhere you go. It breaks immersion and is a cheap fix in my eyes.

The mantling mechanics are also very different. In the original Thief missions it can be bad enough, suddenly you can climb on signposts (you couldn't in the vanilla game) or any other thin object, which allows you to hide in areas you couldn't before. But, to make matters worse, there are FMs where you can skip half the map because you mantled somewhere you couldn't in the vanilla engine.

Enemy detection has been a bit of a messed up thing with Tafferpatcher, I am not sure if they have gotten it fixed. There were points where they were too twitchy, other times where they were too easy to sneak by... it is all a mess.

Really, the biggest issue is what the biggest issue is with any modern patches. It wasn't what the FMs were designed for and thus end up somewhat broken. It isn't the "end-all, be-all" of Thief, and that is where the problem occurs.

>>4841790
>all these things are autism! REEEEEE
The irony.

>>4841845
What about Thief II?
Does the community patch for that game also screw it up?

I have heard that the patch messes up the lighting/shading for T1 and affects the mood/atmosphere in doing so. Have you noticed anything like that? Is T2 also affected?

Do the incompatibilities caused by the patches affect all FMs or only the older ones? Do they affect T2 FMs?

You seem to be an old timer who played these games when they were new.
What are your thoughts on T1 vs Thief Gold?
What are your thoughts on T3 and its community patch? I stopped playing because of the jerky movement.
What are your thoughts on the Dark Mod? Is it better or worse than T3?
What are your thoughts on T4? Is it really as bad as people say or is like Mighty No.9; a fairly good game besmirched by fanboy sperging?

>>4840438
you already know
'tis the season
anyway, normies don't know what they're called so they call them;
>big TV
>fat TV
>old style TV

>>4840589
And before that it was "normalfag."
>>4841747
No, it came from My Posting Career.

>>4836965
"Normies" don't know the Saturn existed.

>>4836965
>have retro pi setup at my desk at work
>playing with a co-worker who has to be 23 or 24
>playing Turtles in Time
>"Bro, I bet people used to think these graphics were fucking amazing back in the day"
It hurt a lot.

>>4842536
Doesn't sound too bad to be honest, at least he gets that it's the product of a different time instead of just going "lol this sucks".

>>4842576
It just makes me feel old. And I was just replying to the title of the thread.

>>4842579
>It just makes me feel old.
Oh yeah, I can relate to that.

>>4836965
I really hate when people complain about games or systems being unpopular. 70% of the time it means that THE GAMES ARE CHEAPER and in LESS DEMAND, and maybe 30% of the time it means sacrificing some luxury like emulation or something along those lines. The only people who bitch about shit like this want to look cool for liking something "obscure" and for nerd cred

>>4837153
>tfw you've known people with all of these opinions at the same time
some people don't deserve sapience

>>4842536
>implying the graphics don't look better than 4/5 of the shit out now

>>4842592
Not hard to believe since that is the modern gamer pack

>>4838643
a lot of what I find myself playing on the Saturn was released in the States
there's like four games I play often that weren't, out of a stack of like 30-40 games

the US library was gimped (NO BULK SLASH), but a lot of the JP library didn't need to come over

>>4837153
>RPGs is the best genre because they are the longest games with the most content.
Dude, normalfags do not say this.
Unless you're only talking about skyrim or something. Even then, I see them hate on skyrim sometimes for "having too much content"

>>4842618
They have a huge boner for open world games with tons of content, my man. And yes, Skyrim is an RPG for them

>>4836965
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j6VCcMMrqA
We got this out of it

>>4839943
Why did she look like L-Gaim?

>>4839958
This is a gen Z RPG/Nintendo board though.

>>4840048
>>4840104
>>4840348

Yeah, look at all those NiD threads on /vr/.

>>4839307
>"PC Engine"

>>4841763
AUTISM

>>4836965
Yes, Saturn is indeed a hipster console.

>>4836994
Not even a troll, just a normie.

>>4842878
PC was trademarked by NEC in Japan during that period. Actual PCs back then were called パソコン.

>sixth gen consoles are retro now!
>games become more retro over time!