/vr/ - Retro Games

It says Super Mario Bros. 2 right there on the cover you know

>>4837126
still no one who matters considers it a true mario game

Nintendo didn't own the characters in the original Japanese game. They were mascots from a weird festival that happened in Japan in 1987. But they did own all of the enemies. It was impossible to release Doki Doki Panic out side of Japan with the original characters. Nintendo of America rejected the Japanese SMB2 anyway and it was Howard Philips who suggested that they bring Doki Doki over to the United States as a Mario game, and Nintendo of Japan agreed. So they migrated all of the Doki Doki villains to the Mario universe. Doki Doki was made by the same team that made Super Mario Bros 1. Nintendo says it is canon. So it is.

>>4837113
>>canonicity of Mario games

Who the fuck cares?

>>4837142
Makes no sense, if the writers and programmers were making an entire different game. To put another way there is not a single element of Mario 2 that is in any of the games before or after. So even the developers pretend it never existed. It is a somewhat comfy, fun game, but not a real Mario game.

>>4837113
Why don't you start a thread about something that hasn't already been discussed to death a thousand times?

>>4837113
>This is not canon.

>>4837152
>there is not a single element of Mario 2 that is in any of the games,,, after

Wrong.

>>4837157
Shy Guys might be an early repressed memory of Mario from when he was a baby, but how do you explain Ninjis in SMW? Checkmate, Subcon deniers

>>4837152
It still had mushrooms, stars, conis, and warps.

>>4837159
>Wrong.
The shyguys are not uncommon in the Mario universe. Neither is Birdo.

>>4837154
I dont refresh /vr/ 20x a day and keep track of frequent topics

>>4837113
Imagine being autistic enough to give a fuck if a mario game is "canon" or not
Just play it and enjoy it for the fun game it is, faggot

>>4837237
Ssh, just follow his guidelines >>4837126 >>4837190 to become a "proper" /vr/ gamer

It was released as Super Mario USA in Japan, retroactively making it canon.

>>4837237
Mario lore is serious business.

Why was he so powerful compared to all the other Toads?

Does Mario secretly wish that the Mushroom Kingdom would take care of itself?

>>4837154

OP is 20 years old and just discovered this and thinks no one else knows.

>>4837113
Between introducing multiple enemy units that would continue to appear in future titles and providing the main cast with features that would become standard going forward (Luigi is taller and jumps higher, peach floats, etc). Not only is it an actual Mario game but it's without a doubt one of the most important installments in the franchise

>>4837159
>>4837169
>>4837170
OP utterly BTFO

>>4837458
Well, one of the characters had to be the Heavy, and it's considered poor form to give the protagonist that role. Thus muscular Toad was born

>>4837148
people who matter care. you know, autistics

>>4837113
Birdo

>>4837475
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH you can even see how they disguised the original pixels with head shape and body language

This is so not a mario game.

>>4837460
>>4837473
You presume to know much about me.

>>4837113
>DID YOU KNOW???

>>4837657
I dont think you know wtf you are talking about...
Just a guess, but are you retarded by any chance?

>>4837113
This time of the year, I swear.

>>4837657
>This is so not a mario game.
Of course it's not. It was originally a Mega Drive (Mega Drive is what the NES was called in Japan) game called Doki Doki Jumpman. The Japanese version of Super Mario 2 wasn't brought over because of its graphic sexual content.

>>4838836
This man makes sense, but then why is it so controversial?

>>4838854
>This man makes sense, but then why is it so controversial?
I'm not the poster that you are responding too, but from what I understand there was a scene in Super Mario Bros. 2 featuring Princess Zelda in a scantly clad nightgown, and some creatures called Augers bust in to her bedroom and kidnap her. The whole thing looked like a rape scene, even though it was not. But it was still too risqué for good all Bernie Stolar at Nintendo of America.

>>4838836
No you dumbass, it was called Donkey Kong Literature Club

Jesus i know you’re a newfag but come on

>>4837152
>there is not a single element of Mario 2 that is in any of the games before or after
Peach still has Lina's hover though.
Filename unrelated.

That's not fair to say. There were more changes than just replacing the character graphics and several enemies and things that first appeared in this game became staples of the franchise. Nintendo owned the whole original game anyway aside from the playable characters and it was made by a lot of the same people that Mario, and they had good reasons to make the switch.

Educate yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EUYSN5aFcE

>>4837190
get your shit together

>>4839109

This video explains what Yume Kojo Doki Doki Panic is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL9o9zzCUsQ

>>4837152
>comfy, fun game
SMB2 is filled with confusing emotions and solitude. It's creepy. Mario trapped in a world dream where nothing looks like Mushroom Kingdom. He can't wake up, his body is numb in a terrorizing nightmare. Occult masks. Empty spaces. Unknown creatures. Emptiness, desolation, vacuity.

>>4837113

Bob-ombs, Shy Guys, and other SMB2 enemies started showing up in following SMB games starting with Bob-ombs in SMB3. Its canon.

>>4837152
Confirmed for not even playing Mario games past 2.

>Bob-ombs
>Ninjis
>Pokey
>POW Blocks
>Peach's Floating and Toad's speed
>Birdo is a recurring character in the spinoffs
>Slot Machines with SMB2 Character Select music
>Pidgits in the RPG
>Shy Guys in the Yoshi series and the spinoffs


Also does nobody pay attention to the prologue of Mario 2?

The real mindfuck of the game isn't that it's a dream, it's that you're playing the prologue. Mario dreamed the events of the game, but the prologue says he finds a door leading to exactly what he saw in his dream.

>>4840710
What prologue? It's been ages since I played the game (actually since Mario Advance first released), and I don't remember a prologue. Couldn't find one on YouTube either. Do you mean the ending, or epilogue?

>>4840710
>>4840723
Alright, what are you talking about? Prologue, epilogue, wut? There's neither. The only story element is that mario was dreaming. There's no cutscene of mario finding the door. Ya'll retarded.

>>4840729
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScoUXhGkgjI

Oh look, it's this thread again......

>>4840669
Also the fact that Mario's very way of life is subverted. All Mario knows is jumping on his enemies to end their lives. In this hellish dreamscape though, jumping on enemies does nothing. Can you imagine what that would feel like to have everything you know suddenly invalidated? The confusion and helplessness. God, I feel uneasy and anxious just thinking about it.

>>4837129
>still no one who matters considers it a true mario game
>no one who matters
Like who?

>>4838836

>smb is the adventure
>smb2 is marios dream about his adventure
>smb3 is the play they put on of marios adventure

did you know mario was a donkey in japan and he hosts a picnic

>>4837113
>>Mario having a dream is not canon!

ok...

>>4841434
Did you know he was actually two donkeys?

It's canon, ya dip. It was muh just-a-dream but it's canon.

>>4837113
>nnnnuuh i didn't like it so it doesn't count

>>4837113
We shall see, anon...

https://www.amazon.com/Super-Mario-Encyclopedia-Official-Guide/dp/1506708978

...we shall wait and see.

Ya no shit man

>>4837113
Nintendo are crafty. I'm pretty sure that they planned it to be a Mario from the beginning, but developed it with Yumi Kojo characters partly as a stealth measure to disguise the development, and partly for conspiratorial reasons which I don't feel like writing an essay about right now.

>>4837113
>Mario
>having a canon
Get a life dude.