/vr/ - Retro Games

I tried snes9x the last couple days but I found one glaring flaw. You couldn't go diagonal directions using the D-pad. You had to use analog stick which is shit. Trying to use Dpad to go diagonal directions resulted in going 1 step down and then just stopping.

So I went back to Zsnes 1.51 myself.

I hear bsnes is good if you want accuracy, but i hear it's a mess to fiddle with and has high requirements.

>pic certainly not related

nice way to start a thread faggot.

Guaranteed replies?

There is no "best". There is most accurate, most portable, most faithful, most updated, easiest to use, most comfy UI, etc. Just try the ones available to your system(s) and figure out which one works best.

Personally, I use ZSNES in Dosbox and it is fine for all I need it for (and is comfy). I use Snes9xTYLcm 0.4.2 Mod Rev 11 on PSP because it is the best one I've tried (not saying much).

>>468646
/v/ pls go

zsnes for compatibility, snes9x for ui.

the creator of bsnes/higan comes here so get ready for a shitstorm.

>>468619
>What's the best snes emulator?
ur just tryin to trick us into arguing again aren't u

The best emulator in terms of actual emulation is bSNES bar none because it accurately emulates the SNES more or less perfectly. Arguably the most usable nowadays is SNES9X, but that debatable. ZSNES is old, but runs on rocks. Plus, dat interface is sex. A lot of people still like it and, for the most part, will run most games you throw at it without issue.

Ultimately, you should use what you want. If you like ZSNES for the games you play, there's no reason to switch. Me, I use the bSNES core in RetroArch because I can run it, I'm impartial to whatever software I use (if something better comes along, I see no reason not to use to) and I actually play the, what? 9? 10 games that only work perfectly in bSNES?

Ultimately, just use what works for you.

>>468661
I wonder if that's the same version I use on my PSP.
Tweaking settings, I managed F-Zero at full speed, IIRC.
All the Euphoria builds were so damn buggy...

For general emulation, I use SNES9x because it's a balance of accurate and fast. Any time I have tried bsnes, it rapes my computers, and I can't stand the sound in zsnes (which I am damned to use for certain SMW rom hacks).

>>468619
>Whats the best
>Posts the worst

Gr8 b8 m8

>>468702
New version a couple of days ago, test it but make a backup.

http://www.emucr.com/2013/04/snes9xtylmecmcm-v042-mod-r11.html

>>468693
Oh, and your emulation general is here.
>>>/vg/32319057
Also, emulation general wiki: http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/Emulation_General_Wiki

I use Snes9GX on my wii, it is awesome and works perfect.

>>468693
if bsnes is the most accurate, then why isn't it hailed as the best? Does accuracy not necessarily mean playability?

>>468716
I thought PSP emulation was dead...
I guess the Vita is giving it a small surge?

Best emu for SNES?
Most accurate is definitely bsnes, now part of Higan.
Higan is pretty much the most accurate emulator for any system it emulates.
Project64 is the most accurate for N64, while Mupen(spelling might be off) is the choice of TASers.

>>468702
I used Euphoria R2 2 years ago to play a while, then gave up and went back to desktop. I recently tried R5 and it was a clusterfart. Game lockups whenever I accessed the menu, sound loss, insane lag on screen wipe, etc. So I tried TYLcm Rev 3, and it was awesome except for the inability to load/save. I then tried Rev 11, and it fixed that part, but then the home button stopped working (can't access PSP menu OR Snes9x menu). But I can tolerate that. Worked on the dozen or so games I tried so far.

Here is the thread for the TYLcm revs: http://wololo.net/talk/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=31563

I hate the zsnes interface.

>>468734
Some emus are dead, some aren´t.

>>468742
It also lacks good filters. Zsnes has kept itself up high merely by having decent filters.

>>468742

high system requirements

>>468742
bsnes isn't optimized, so running skyrim on max doesn't mean you can run snes roms perfect speed unfortunately.

>>468742
It's very costly in terms of require specs. A lot of people actually have trouble running it. Part of this is due to its high level accuracy. The other part is because it's really unoptimized. It also has some pretty oblong file requirements, as well, and I'm not a fan of its interface.

I get over the last two due to using RetroArch and I get over the first because my computer is fairly new. That said, I still can't run the accuracy core, so eh.

>>468757
I use a lot of the shaders in RetroArch that are meant for bSNES and they work just fine. Unless you meant something else.

>>468763
Doesn't Higan need like a core2duo minimum for the most accurate emulation?
That's compared with my old PC, with a Sempron Single Core 2.3GHz, that could run PJ64 flawlessly.

>>468651
>You couldn't go diagonal directions using the D-pad
Confirmed for can't read good disorder.

>>468783
You pretty much need an i7 for the accuracy core. So no. The performance and balance cores run fine, though. And, IIRC, you only need the accuracy core for, what? One game?

For reference, I just built my computer last January. I have an FX-6300; not a bad processor by no means for the price. I cannot run the accuracy core without slowdowns.

>>468651
Could use diagnols myself just fine. Seems to be an issue on your end, m8.

>>468742
>then why isn't it hailed as the best?

You need to do a cuple of things the first time, you run program to import your games to the bsnes library, take 10 minutes to sync your video and audio to prevent sound crakling and shit.

Some people have problems browsing folders, reading, the usual things.

Also, toasters don´t run it, pople get defensive.

>>468783
>run PJ64 flawlessly.
We can only dream.

>>468803
3770k here, accuracy runs fine.
Not saying much though. The fact that the fan speeds up when I start the emu isn't a good sign.

>>468757
First of all ....

>Filters

Also, Pixelate filter on higan looks much better, and you can add most opengl filters, many already converted for use on higan.

But the creator gives no fucks, you need to compile that shit yourself.

>>468757
>filters

>>468823
To be fair, I was testing the Accuracy core with one of the Megaman X games which are considered currently the most costly thing to emulate. That, and the Yoshi's Island title screen. Actual gameplay ran just fine.

Still, though, my fan would kick up, too.
Somehow, I don't feel like that should be happening with SNES emulation.

>>468772
"optimised" is the wrong word for this, I think.

>>468803
I can run acuracy on an i5 with 20% cpu use. most poeple have shit computers, either hardware or setups. Some people think a laptop i5 and an "m" gpu gaming oriented .....

>>468897
I was being hyperbolic.
The point is that you do tend to need a better CPU for Accuracy.
With a Core2Duo, you'd probably be fine with Balance or Performance for sure, though.

>>468772
what´s this thread abou ..

>bsnes isn't optimized

Words some read on 4chan and now we think we actually understand ?

My turn, console port!

Hey bros, wanted to give Higan a test run and I was wondering how best to import saves and shit? I got how the game importing works, but where do I put saves and states?

Also, where would I put patches for soft auto-patching?

>>468848
>2013
>Still enforcing a shitty meme
>Especially when most emulators ship with broken filters

>>468908
The thing is, compared to the rest of emus, any higan version does better, but people get buthurt when they can´t run the accuracy build.

>>468939
Oh, I've been using ZSNES if it helps any, but last I checked .savs work with everything I think. States might not, though.

>>468939
Well I imported libraries for all systems, on batch with purify, so all my saves got imported automatically. I guess it just checks every file on those folders.

>>468934
That's something I don't understand either. Like I said in my one post, you really only need Accuracy for, maybe, one game. Performance itself only has issues with, maybe, four games. I can get not liking some of the other requirements with higan like the file requirements or whatever, but even then, you can bypass that with RetroArch.

I can get if you have a preference with your software. Like, if you prefer ZSNES because of its interface or you don't need higan's accuracy. But there are people who shit on it just because they can't run it. I don't understand.

>>468940

>>468940
It´s a matter of taste, to me that looks horrible, you are actually obstructing the image and claming it looks better than clean and sharp. Still not as bad as smudging everything and calling it smooth ....

>>468940
>using filters.

>>468945
Save states won´t.

How do I convert all my .smc files to .sfc for Higan?

>>468867
It can be spelled both ways, and yeah bsnes is optimized poorly.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/optimized
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/optimised

>>468918
Either you're retarded, or just trying to start arguments.

>>468971
You can load any file with higan, but it´s just better to import a whole folder with purify, and then you just play from the library.

i´ve been using MAME for a decade, so i´m used to it I guess.

>>468971
>I don't understand.
Some people are just pissants like that.
And of course there's always bandwagoners.

>>469014
accuracy*

>>469003
Use SNES purify v01 (can't find this shit anywhere now) or use the newest SNES purify to have higan set up its own directory structure.

Or rename them to .sfc

Or use the bSNES core in RetroArch (since it doesn't matter what they're named in RetroArch, really).

bSNES v88 accurace profile.

Higan has added nothing worthwhile to SNES emulation and has actually gone a few steps back due to byuu's new ass-backwards library system that requires you to import ROMs to a specified destination that you cannot change.

bSNES v88 runs every commercial SNES/SFC ROM perfectly.

>>469003
Download the latest purify, batch convert your whole older and it automatically apears on higan library when you run theemu.

>>468996
>bsnes is optimized poorly

You're an idiot. bsnes is optimized very well considering it's emulating low level functions. The system requirements are high because that's what it takes to emulate accurately.

>>469003
https://code.google.com/p/higan/downloads/list

Just get the lastes stuff that runs on your CPU architechture and OS.

currently using bsnes (or rather, bsnes core in retro arch), because of retroarchs multiplatform compatibility, both in what systems in it can emulate and on which OSs / devices it runs
should retroarch one day get a good UI and a library function like MAME, I'll probably use it for emulating everything

Why are there always arguments over SNES emulators? Why are there never any arguments overs NES or Game Boy emulators?

>>468996
Higan is CPU intensive, there is a build for several architectures and OSes.

You seem to think this is a GTA 4 on realse or a "wait for new GPU drivers" kind of situation, you ARE using the term wrong.

You either have the horse power or your don´t.

>>469053
Because there are people who are still stuck in a 90s mentality with SNES emulators when there are much better options than ZSNES.

With NES emulators you pick either FCEUX or Nestopia and Game Boy emulators either VBA-M or Gambatte.

>>469053
Because people want to start arguments. Some users tend to have a hate boner for bSNES and people who use bSNES tend to defend it until their death.

Really, people should just use what they want.

>>469024
I downloaded purify. Selected the folder with all my roms. It ran. Were di it put those files? It didn't ask me to select an output path.

Well, got my stuff batch converted, now how do I move my .savs over? Just put them in the same folder as the manifest.bml and program.rom? Do I have to name them something?

>>469091
Somewhere under your home folder.
.Application Data\Roaming\higan or something like that. Higan's purify has weird file requirements and locations.

When you go to load the games in your library, it will give the exact location

>>469091
Ok, you actually want to know ?, the emulator knows where, and you can´t move them. just run the emu and everything should work.

>>469092

Save files are "save.ram"

>>469036
>bsnes is optimized very well
Byuu plz leave

>>469060
No one mentioned gta 4. You didn't even view the definition and are assuming optimized only refers to porting rather than piss-poor coding.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/optimized

>>469092
If the saves are compatible, and wre on the same folder of the roms, they were already imported and will work.

>>469113
Oh, so I guess ZSNES saves don't get ported over? Sucks to be me.

>>468619
>What's the best snes emulator?
Whichever one happens to be installed at the time. The differences are so minor it's pathetic that people nitpick little things that aren't emulated right. If I can play the game easily and without glaring issues, that's all that matters to me.

>>469116

oh hai mudlord

>>469109
I went to my appdata\roaming\higan folder.
all I see are 3.cfg files.
I want all my roms in a clean .sfc format so I can back them up and be done with it.

>>469120
I have never tried, some of my snes9x ones worked tho, and i didn´t have to move anything around. Maybe not ...

>>469126
>If I can play the game easily and YOU can´t actually tell if there is a glaring issue, thats all that matters

FTFY

>>469129
that´s not the place, the folder is called emulation, not higan.

But once again, you don´t need to move them, and you can´t.

>>469140
>autist detected

>>468742
SMW hacks tend not to work on it because they aren't usually made with the actual hardware in mind. I actually recall hearing something about a lot of music hacks causing them to crash on flash carts? I'd have to look it up again.

>nobody posting SNESGT
Am I really the only person that cares about Satellaview Emulation?

>>469159
>Dude, maybe a fag, maybe not, that only plays mario and zelda games detected

>>469160
Use bzsnes, it runs super gameboy!.

>>469146
so what you're saying is that if/when I get a new computer or decide to reformat for any reason I have to reconvert all my .smc files again?
I think i may just stick my SNES9X if that's the case :\

Also how can I not move them? When I open Higan it allows me to chose my library locations.

>>469116
Except it is.

For example, the Digital Integrated Circuit Emulator (DICE) struggles to run at a stable FPS on even the beefiest hardware because it emulates games like Pong at the circuit level.

But if you want reasonable accuracy with out such high requirements, use Snes9x 1.5.3.

>What's the best snes emulator?

1. RetroArch with bSNES or SNES9x cores
2. higan
3. SNES9x 1.54 git builds
4. SNESGT

Don't use ZSNES, at least not until they come out with ZSNES 2.0, because the current version is way behind all the other emulators since 1.51 is deprecated

>>469160

There was some issues with the addmusic tool that let you set an echo value that would overflow on the real console, overwrite the program data in RAM and crash the game.

>>469146
Now that you mentioned it was Emulation though I found it. And I can move all of them.

>>469169
But how mate, they are missing data from the bradcasts, best you can hope for are hacked restored rooms like the zelda ones.

The satellaview situation will be all too common once the always online era starts, you will be rebuying every game and most of them won´t get rerealesed..........

I'd really like some advice from you guys. I'm currently using a wii classic controller pro and emulators on my wii. The wii u pro controller is selling for significantly more than a PS2 to USB controller where I live but it would be incredibly useful. Has anyone used the wii u controller on their pc ?

>>469175
>child of the 90s detected

>>469186
No, you can move them to another computer, but they will have to be in that same folder. You don´t know much about computers right ?

>>469169
I would love to see it implemented, but much like the DD for N64, it's not well known outside of Japan, and doesn't seem to attract a lot of attention.

>>469160
Forget even getting to hardware. A lot of them won't run in anything but zsnes. Mario Gives Up just yells at you in SNES9x until it freezes... I wouldn't even try it in bsnes.

>>468753
I've had this really old version for a long time. I don't know if I said it already, but I had F-Zero (NTSC) running at 60 FPS (via magic, I can only guess). Granted, I couldn't get DKC to run well.
Thanks for the link, too! I forget to check Wololo.

>>468756
I know Daedalus gets updates on a decent basis. I saw that the NeoGeo or CPS1/2 emulator also got an update somewhat recently...

>>469209
> Ad hominem

>>469217
Apparently I know a lot more about computers than you do. Because I just moved all my ROMs to exactly where I wanted them C:\EMULATORS\Higan\Super Famicom.sys\ROMS
No fucking problem.

>>469203
B-b-but muh Earthbound-like hub
and m-muh enhanced versions of great games.
The Satellaview just interests me entirely. Gaming in a manner similar to TV or Radio Broadcasts. Not to mention, once you had the system, you were good to go. No paying for games, either.
I know there must be a way to get that info back somehow, people just need to be interested enough into it (of which will never happen)

I still use ZSNES for most games. Though if I find one that doesn't work I use SNES9x, I can't be bothered setting all of my roms up for byuu.

>>469120
Saves should have went over.

>>469254
You just made my day, you thought I meant it was physically imposible for you to move them ?, I was speaking "dummy" so you just let them be, since it´s entirely unnecesary to move them, and you actually believed me.

It´s pointless, the default folder is unchangeable, you just rendered the home button useless.

>>469186
Alternatively, you could also use RetroArch with the bSNES core. RetroArch doesn't give a shit what you call your files or saves. And then you'll still get the accuracy.

>>469263
That info might be in Nintendo HQ, maybe. It´s not a sure thing, people loose files or just throw them away.

>>469289

The next version of higan is supposed to allow you to set the default location.

>>469306
Oh, good then.

>>469296
Also, since I'm thinking about it, SNES purify v01, the original one, use to let you just convert to SFC. I can't find it any fucking where on the internet anymore, but if you just want SFC files but without using higan's folder structure, you could also hunt that down.

>>469325
I'll also throw out there too that Emuparadise's SNES roms are all converted into correct SFC format for bSNES already, so you could also redownload some of your games, if you want. It's a pain to do so, but I'm just letting you know.

>>469289
>you thought I meant it was physically imposible for you to move them ?
No. I thought you were being a computer illiterate retard who probably installs everything in /Program Files/ because you don't know how to change directories.>>469289

>It´s pointless, the default folder is unchangeable, you just rendered the home button useless.
I don't need to push the Home Button when I'm at MY home directory.

>>469325
Whats the deal with the folder structure ? why is it bothersome for some, you never actually see them, you import on batch and all of suddenly apears on the emulators library, since you don´t browse games one by one, i don´t see whats the problem.

MAME has a library gui too, if tomorrow they release a tool to convert your rooms to folder structure, i honestly wouldn´t care, i don´t go to the windows browser to play MAME games, they are all on list !

I´m guessing you do something with your roms, something that requires you to look around for them instead of just loading them from the emu.

>>469358
On second thought. I would care, they need to be ziped, that library is huge.

>>469358
I switch around from emulator to emulator a lot and the new format isn't in SFC but in some strange naming style. Really, though, I don't honestly care. I was using higan with its folder structure just fine for a while. I started using RetroArch since I wanted to consolidate everything I was using into pretty much one piece of software since I was already using a bunch of individual emulators that make up RetroArch's cores and I figured it'd make things easier with only one thing to configure.

I'm just saying that if somebody doesn't want to use higan's folder structure, or if they just want to convert their collection to headerless SFC files for back-up purposes with another emulator, it's possible to do so with the original snespurify.

>>469384
Ahhh, ok.

>emulators
Maximum pleb

>>469439
>Guaranteed replies

ZSNES is fine. I've used it for over seven years with no real complaints.

>but muh Higan
>muh sound quality

Fuck off, it's not even that big of a deal. Let people choose their emulators for themselves. ZSNES is perfectly viable in 2013.

>>469464
Considering OP asked for best emulator, I'm assuming he wanted recommendations. Which is why I posted >>468693 and >>468730

That said, I pretty much agree.

Unless you have a reason or want to, you don't have to run higan.
Just whatever, you know?

>>469464

And seven years is how long it's gone without updating. Seriously, ZSNES is deprecated, and is only useful for very old machines from the late 90s. There's no reason to use it if you're using modern PC, SNES9x, bSNES, and SNESGT all have better emulation of the SNES.

i really wish goomba color still updated

ah well, works well enough for most games (apart from the monster that is shantae)

>>469464

Windows 98 is fine. I've used it for over seven years with no real complaints.

>but muh Windows 7
>muh updated drivers

Fuck off, it's not even that big of a deal. Let people choose their emulators for themselves. Windows 98 is perfectly viable in 2013.

>>469539
If people like it, sure. I'm not going to tell them what to do. I'd highly recommend going to 7 or later since you'll probably be more protected and have newer features, but if that's what you like, it's whatever.

Do what you need.

>>469539

>comparing operating systems to emulators

toplel.png

>>469520
How hard is it to find a GBA Micro with Famicom colors for a reasonable price?

>>469520
>a tiny image on an even tinier screen
Don't your eyes hurt after playing that?

>>469539
I miss 98. It was the only Windows OS that never gave me any problems at all.

>>469539

You've been using Windows 98 since 2006? Do you live in Afghanistan or something?

>>469067
>not using Nesticle because the icon is a testicle

>>469556
nope, it looks crystal clear, you can't really appreciate it in that shitty picture

i'm pretty sure i still have a functioning gbc around somewhere, but i can't ever go back to a non-backlit screen

>>469557
no idea, i nabbed mine at a massive discount off playasia back when they were clearing their stock

>>468776
>>468772
>isn't optimized
>really unoptimized

has this actually been confirmed? I've heard this multiple times before, but with no evidence or explanation, it's only conjecture.

>>469675
I'll admit that I'm probably wrong with that. I should have probably worded it as slightly unoptimized, but even then, that seems to be a non-issue in the newest higan.

For reference, when running an older version of bSNES on this computer, I could barely run it. With the newest higan, I can run everything just fine.

At this point, I'd say it's probably wrong and that I was mistaken to mention it.

>>468693
> Plus, dat interface is sex
Are you kidding? I can't stand that shitty UI.

>>469705
Nope, I like it.
It's okay if you don't, though. There are plenty of alternative emulators that work better than ZSNES as a whole, so you're more than open to use them.

>download Kawaks
>playin beat'em ups like hell yes
>want to play non-Capcom arcade games
>download MAME
What the fuck is this shit I just want to play Tekken.

Any recommended alternatives to MAME?

>>469675

Supposedly byuu prioritizes code readability over code optimization but I don't know how much that affects anything since the compiler does optimizations itself.

is there some sort of gooogle docs that compares all the objective features of the different emulators?

I'd make one but I am very unlearned in these details

>>469791
Well you could compile it yourself on the instruction set preffered. AN 15 or 17 would run even better on AVX right ?

>>470010
Wow, I have no idea how that happened, I meant i5 and i7.

>>470013
Been reading some avx comics?

>>469705
Zsnes has its own nostalgia.

>>469907
Unfortunately, no, not that I'm aware of. Your best bet is to do some research about what you need and just try out different bits of software.

>>468651
>You couldn't go diagonal directions using the D-pad.
Nigga, you dumb.

>>468802
>>468807
>>470103

trying to define those functions with the D-pad on my controller didn't work. You literally need 8 separate buttons.

>>470632
The pads that don't have Up-left and the like usually work just fine without them assigned

>>470652

wasn't working for me, I'd hit down/right and Link would move 1 step down and then face right and just stop.

>>470728
Weird. Did you try mapping diagonals to diagonal button presses?
My friend had to do that with his pad.

>>470770

first thing I tried.

This was how it went:

>Why will Link only move in 4 directions?
>go to input options
>check box for enabling diagonals
>try to assign buttons
>it keeps putting it as one of the 4 PoV hat buttons (the D-Pad is recognized as PoV hat on a joystick)
>cancel
>go back in
>check enable again
>ok
>go back to playing
>try to move diagonal down/right
>Link moves 1 step down, turns right, stops
>go back into input options
>make directional controls with analog stick instead
>enable diagonals
>ok
>go to play
>it works, but using the analog stick to move in a 2D game is sloppier than using D-pad
>Link skirts around pots I want to pick up instead of walking into them so I can grab them


It's just not as good for 2D.

So I'm back to Zsnes.

>>470872
eh i guess

retroarch also has snes9x core, as well.
if you wanted, you could try that

>>470925

I'm not too bothered, I only tried snes9x because people claimed it was 'better" but frankly all I noticed was that bug and the fact that Snes9x has a gross smoothing filter enabled by default.

>>469759
how about you actually look up how to use one of the most capable and popular emulators instead of being a lazy shit. If you're that lazy just download the goddamn playstation version

>>469759
Final Burn...maybe?

whats better psxfin or epsxe

>>470958

SNES9x has better emulation all around and the libretro version doesn't have either of those issues you're talking about.

>>471120

Mednafen and PCSX-Reloaded

snes9x-gtk > snes9x on Windows

>>470958
>I only tried snes9x because people claimed it was 'better"

It IS better. I used to primarily use zsnes as well, but as soon as I heard more accurate sounds and less buggy visualizations in a large number of games, I made the switch. I'd switch to bsnes if I could, but my computer can't run it for now.

>>468732
Is this a legitimate Nintendo product?

>>468619
Use ZSNES or Snes9x for ease of use, or BSNES for accuracy, if your computer's a tank. I don't think there's a single official ROM that can't be played.

>>472138
>zsnes of snex9x for ease of use
>zsnes

Zsnes is not easier to use than bsnes or snes9x.

>there will never be a decent saturn emulator

>>472148
Computers aren´t really harder to use than consoles either......

>>472192
Not a lot of games that interest me there, but I thought SSF was doing good, I played SotN there, it ran rather bad, but it ran like that on the actual saurnt.

>>472192
Saturn is just a bitch in every way.
People hated coding for it, because of the hardware.
Now the emulation of said hardware is even worse.

>>472192
>not using SSF

>>472192
SSF is pretty much your best bet.

........though from my experience (shit comp and all) it's definitely not the perfect one but it was getting there.

>>472148
I'd imagine it's "easier" to use in that "It's easier for me to keep using this piece of shit that I downloaded eight years ago than it is for me to put the tiniest bit of effort into finding something better."

>>472414
Pretty much

>>468651
You have to set up the diagonals for the Dpad on the input configuration window too, take a look

>>468680
>>468693
>>468750
Hey, how does this compare to other emulators that incorporate BSNES? i know it's slow, but is it any worse than others?

>>472610

It's using a very old version of bsnes with some patches, but I've never used it so I don't know how well it runs.

>>472610
It is certainly not bsnes level of slowness. On my system it load only 25% of one core of Core 2 duo.

http://nocash.emubase.de/sns.htm

I don't want to start a fight or anything, but why people just assume no$sns is a speedhack fest with specific game fixes when it features a debugger/VRAM viewer/IO maps proving it can run and check any straight code and view the results on the supposedly emulated machine? Like, you could make your own games, or reassemble stuff from the ROM trying to trigger inaccuracy bugs and then he couldn't know what the code in question was to adlib a fix on the go like some cheap game-related hack. I don't think he's trying to fool anyone if he includes a debugger.
Assuming this, its emulator is still more accurate than Snes9x under certain constraints, while less on others (he still has to implement a couple of final features and hi-res mode). Like Yoshi's Tetris Attack VS screen, it still glitches on Snes9x and bsnes non-accuracy core, while it runs flawlessly on no$sns, designed for pre-2000 computers. I didn't even use other emulators by the guy before and I know he was in for some jewish shenanigan, but he says he works on nothing but emulators then why are you guys so harsh on him?

He also claims to work on anything but emulators and he's literally holed up in his house like a mental case and no means of a job, powered only by passion.
I mean, he's included a way of seamlessy communicating with the real hardware's cart port and bumping results from the board as it goes, isn't this the same thing the Byuu did? He did the same with the GBA as far as I get, that's why he was selling his ultimate GBA debugger to professional developers as tool for testing stuff, he wouldn't have done so if it wasn't extremely accurate. Then again it might have been a scam to sell it for that much, but usually you have to make your own tools to debug your own game these days, and those same things also cost a lot of money to develop/acquire.

I tried his PSX emulator, and yes, it blows, he's got a lot of work to do but at least he admits it's not accurate.

Since this is emulation thread, can someone direct me where I can find a good wealth of rom hacks? An example, I hear there are great Super Metroid rom hacks that almost have as much content as a new game. I've seen several SMW hacks played on Twitch, but no idea where they are getting them from. Anyone?

>>468848
/thread

>>469759
MAMEUI is great, but it's authors aren't.
I have literally three different versions (.111u1 32-bit, .142u2 64-bit, .148u2 64-bit) because the programmers are anal about having the current "correct" ROM in the new versions (roms with non-matching checksums won't run, although the new versions have slightly better compatibility with newer roms)
I even upgraded outright, was dissatisfied with the mixed compatibility and wanted to downgrade only to find out you can't find old MAME versions online (this is supposedly due to old versions listing what roms you _don't_ have, and the authors thought this was a little too much pirate aid)
Luckily, I had .111 on my old computer's hard drive from when I started my MAME collection. .111 lets you run even "bad checksum" romsets, but the compatibility for newer romsets is at a standstill, thus why I need to keep multiple versions, along with a ~30GB romset that I've merged with newer sets twice.
Maintenance and configuration are a pain, but there's great arcade stuff that you can't find anywhere else.

>>473462
I stick with the MAMEUIHighScore version myself

>>473220
Martin Korth made it possible for me to trade pokemon and battle with my friends on crystal, his GB emu was a pure dream back then, so I can forgive him being a jew.

I use ZSNES. Why would I use anything else? I want to play SNES, ZSNES lets me play SNES, so I use ZSNES to play SNES. Simple, effective and fucking works.

Tried SNES9x and it wasn't as good as ZSNES. Still good. Just not as good.

Tried bSNES/higan/whatever and it was too much of a hassle. Accuracy means nothing to me and 98% of everyone else who wants to play SNES. Because that's all I want. I just want to play SNES. If bSNES can't emulate SNES without being a fucking performance hog then bSNES is not a good way to play SNES. Maybe it'll change over time. But then again fucking ZSNES haven't changed over time so hey.

I never tried any besides ZSNES since it's very reliable.
Never had it crash, freeze or glitch, except twice,
but Theme Park and Spawn aren't great games anyhow.

You know, it's funny.

If someone asked "What's the best NES emulator?" and someone said "NESticle!" they'd be trolling.
If someone asked "What's the best PS1 emulator?" and someone said "Bleem!" they'd be trolling.
If someone asks "What's the best SNES emulator?" and someone says "ZSNES!" that's... a legitimate answer and a perfectly functional emulator? What?

>finally get a i5
>bsnes still not full speed

>>473774
You're in luck!

http://byuu.org/bzsnes/

>>473801
Byuu can't even remove his old April 1st joke from his webzone. Why would I trust him to make a good SNES emulator?

>>469303
Agreed. Sega has lost a lot of its System 16 and System 24 game source code. Including some wonderful Saturn Era games. Panzer Dragoon Orta used the PC version for the unlockable original PD. Nobody wants to say why but in an old interview with Yukio Futatsugi he hinted at people fighting. And there's been a couple rumors that the code was lost due to the fire that Sega had a few years ago.

>>473821
Why would he remove it?, it works.

>>473821
Because it's a completely functional emulator that renders zsnes completely obsolete and continues to be appropriate to link fans of zsnes to.
Why on earth would he remove it?

>>473821
He actually did it though. He just removed the screens and program.

I don't even remember where I found it, but it took long enough.

>>473843
>>473839
Why would I want to update software that's still working perfectly?

>>473852
>Why would I want to update software that's still working perfectly?
It's fine if you don't want to update software that's working well enough for your low standards. That's fine. Feel free to do that.

Just don't recommend it to anyone else, ever, and don't make false claims such as "it works perfectly."

>>473852
If you believe it´s working perfectly, well no reason. Seen Shallow Hal ?, horrible movie ....

>>473854
Is Shallow Hal the movie with Jack Black and Gwyneth Paltrow where he thinks Gwyneth is a hot babe when really she's a hot babe in a fat suit or something?

Think I saw a trailer for it.

>>473859
>>don't make false claims such as "it works perfectly."
But it does, my emulation enthusiast friend. Take your cock out of your foreskin and smell the coffee.

>>473874
>But it does
False. The worrisome thing about your trolling isn't concern about convincing you that you're wrong, but the danger of your misinformation being taken seriously by the less informed.

>>473852
Because it was portable, while ZSNES was not.
Kind of a moot point since he deleted the source and it's virtually lost now, but hey.

Here's the binary though:
http://www.mediafire.com/?dta0lhcggx37kcl

>>473874
Go play, StarOcean, or mario rpgs, or any game that emulates 3d, or Kirby games, or... well, 90% f the library .....

>>473885
Look, friend. If you want to play SNES then ZSNES and Snes9x ARE the best options. There's no way to get around that.

Why should bSNES or Billy Bayou's ZSNES even be considered an alternative for the people who just wants to play some SNES?

>>473891
I have played Star Ocean, Mario RPG and the Kirby games on ZSNES. What was wrong with it? Clearly I lack your augmented vision.

>>473895
>Look, friend. If you want to play SNES then Snes9x is the best option.

FTFY

>>473895
Because maybe they don´t want to play those 8 games over and over, that sound like shit to anyone who has actually heard them on a snes.....

>>473895
I'm even willing to let SNES9x slide. That's a far better option than ZSNES, and if for some reason you're hellbent on not using bSNES, it's perfectly viable.

zSNES hasn't been updated in nearly a decade. It's inaccurate, and no longer being updated. It's time to drop it, and stop perpetuating the myth that it's accurate.

>>473906
Obviously, they lack all effects, not that you would notice if you never knew to expect them...

>>473907
It's okay. I prefer ZSNES too.

>>473904
If they all just want to play "those 8 games" why not? It's not like ZSNES is limited to "those 8 games". I don't understand you, friend.

>>473906
>I have only played Star Ocean, Mario RPG and the Kirby games on ZSNES.
Fixed.

>>473906
http://byuu.org/bsnes/accuracy

>>473913
Ignorance is truly bliss.

>>473908
I'm not saying it's accurate. I'm saying it something that works. Out of the winrar. Just pop the rom in and go. bSNES doesn't have that type of simplicity or performance.

I repeat, if all you want to do is play SNES, you go to the option that lets you play SNES without hassle. ZSNES might be outdated but until bSNES can offer the same performance I'm not upgrading.

>>473914
Hahaha. Well, if you need to resort to nonsense like that, alright then.

>>473928
And again, that's fine. If you like doing things a wrong and dumb way because you're too simple or lazy to be bothered to do it correctly, that's great.

Just don't encourage others to do it the wrong way alongside you with misinformation and bullshit.

>>473928
Higan also loads roms on the go, just choose import instead of open so it loads any rom, browse and open, 3 clicks.

>>473935
I wasn't aware there's a wrong way to have fun.

>>473939
>I wasn't aware there's a wrong way to have fun.
I wasn't aware we were talking about "Having fun". I thought we were talking about obtaining and using an emulator, which there is a wrong way to do.

>>473934
The argument is quite valid, you´re like one eyed man arguing that 3D sucks, it sucks indeed, but you wouldn´t know the difference.

mfw emulation elitism

implying it matters which emulator you use
since the best way is still playing the actual console itself

>>469358
>Whats the deal with the folder structure

It's fucking autism bullshit. If I wanted shit like that forced on me I'd get a mac and install iTunes.

>>473958
No one argus that mate, sometimes you just don´t the actual games, or want to try a translation.

>>468619
Higan (formerly known as bsnes). Alternately, use RetroArch with the bsnes core.

Or, if your hardware is 4+ years old and can't handle it, Snes9x. (or RetroArch with the snes9x core)

>>473935
You seem irritated. Not gonna lie, I actually kind of like that. Even though it's quite absurd.

Look, dude. If you want to play SNES, ZSNES will let you do this. There's no misinformation there. No bullshit. It's easy to use and doesn't require a high-end computer. It's casual gaming.

>>473958
I agree with this.

>>473948
What if I can see the difference but simply doesn't care about it? Gameplay is unaffected and that's all I care about.

>>473947
Pro-tip: Playing games is meant to be fun.

And no, the wrong way to obtain and use an emulator to play snes games would be to download dosbox.
Zsnes is fine.

>>473963
That's why flashcarts are Best Solution oN Every Solution.

>>473962
>Look, dude. If you want to play SNES, ZSNES will let you do this.
ZSNES will provide you with a mediocre imitation of the way a SNES should actually work.

Other emulators, such as bSNES or even SNES9x, will provide you with a much better, more accurate experience with more options.

If you want to go on using ZSNES, that's great. Good for you. Keep it to yourself. There is no reason whatsoever to recommend it to anyone else when SNES9x exists.

>>473974
No, the wrong way would be to intentionally choose an inaccurate emulator that does a poor job of emulating its intended console.

What's happening here?

Did I miss something?

Is bSNES charged?

Is that one guy arguing in here the author?

>>468661
>ZSNES in Dosbox
>mfw

I mean, using ZSNES is in itself bad enough - it's long-dead, outdated and buggy... but running an even more ancient DOS version of it in DOSBox when there are even Windows versions of it that work just as well (or rather, just as badly)?

That's kinda like running a Wii homebrew SNES-emulator in Dolphin in order to play SNES games. Or ever running any other non-PC emulator in an emulator when native alternatives exist.

>>473992
Byuu always comes to defend his shitty emulator.

>>473979
But I won't keep it to myself, friend.

>>473986
It's not wrong if I get to play Snes games.

Geez, pal. You have some problems in your life.

>>474003
>It's not wrong if I get to play Snes games.
It's wrong if you suggest it to others.

>>473993
Come to think of it, were Wii N64 emulators (the ones included with VC releases) appositely made for the game they were included with, or it worked with pretty much anything? Why didn't people exploit this?

>>473972
>Gameplay is unaffected
F-zero
Starfox
All those games that don´t even load ....

Also, it´s not that you can´t tell the diference, is that you have no point of refeence to spot it.

>>468742
>if bsnes is the most accurate, then why isn't it hailed as the best
It is. Where have you heard otherwise?
Wait, don't tell me... emulator-zone...
Let me inform you that that site is generally extremely outdated, and complete garbage. Sometimes, it may be a decent way to get an overview over the emulators that exist for a system, but its lists are incomplete and outdated, so do not take it for granted that any of its rankings are at all relevant.

>>474007
>I won't keep it to myself
Then expect to be shit on for being an idiot.

>hey /o/, I want to buy a car for casual driving
>you should totally buy a porsche boxster
>but I have kids and stuff, so I need at least 4 seats and I don't really need a sports car, what about sedans?
>hurrr buy your shitty sedan then, have fun buying cars the wrong way, porsche is boss

>>474003
You're actually playing ZSNES games, which happen to be programmed the same way as SNES games. Keep enjoying your ZSNES games, they're fun. If your game crashes or you notice flickers missing graphics, you wouldn't mind it cause you're having fun right?

>>468757
>using filters
>caring about filters

>>474021
That's a great analogy, except for the part where it's completely wrong and misleading.

OP asked for the best emulator. There is a best emulator. It's bSNES.
If, for some reason, you want a "sedan" version, there's SNES9x.
ZSNES is, well... pic related.

>>474026
>You're actually playing ZSNES games, which happen to be programmed the same way as SNES games
Oh god, this guy.

>>474007

>anyone who positively speaks about bsnes must be byuu

Stop trying to play the shill gambit because you're losing the argument.

>But I won't keep it to myself, friend.

Why would you recommend something deprecated like ZSNES? SNES9x is simply superior for most machines.

>>474034
>There is a best emulator. It's bSNES.
Yes, according to it's author and 2 people on 4chan.

>>474021
>>hey /o/, I need to get places and traposrt heavy stuff
>>Shop aroud for a good car that you can afford
>>but I used to ride a mule 15 years ago, so I need that grip when yu pull them by the hair wile sprinting, and I don't really need a car, i´d been having fun on a mule for a while and it get me places
>> buy your shitty mule then

>>474034

>vlcsnap

Yes, pic is related

>>474052
You do realize that "best emulator" isn't a subjective thing, right?

>>474027

filters are shit but you can do some nice things with shaders, like what the pixellate shader does

>>474017
Hahahaha, oh wow. Emulation sure is some serious business, isn't it? There's no reason to get upset, Bayou Billy.

>>474052
>Math is a matter of opinion

Talking about software here, not ice cream flavors.

>>474052

>argument ad populum

>>474054
That's right, but what if the people who call it the best emulator are retards who don't know shit about emulation?

>>474069
> Every single game works 1:1
> You can even run Super Gameboy
> Only emu that does this

Snes9x is solid second.

>>474069

Here's the way I see it: it's the best SNES emulator for modern PCs. Obviously you shouldn't try to use it on smartphones.

>>473774
Because ZSNES runs on x86 assembly and can't be ported to say, an ARM (Android) or PowerPC (Wii)
Snes9x has the best portability and featureset, and it's more current.
I don't touch bSNES, Byuu is one of those "simple software" autists, meaning he'll perfect the emulation code, but will never add very useful features like plugins, save states, code hacking and the like. Though I do like the work that he does cataloging boxes, manuals, PCBs, etc.

>>474076
Higan has savestates, and filters, and fast foward. What are you on about?, if you want more just download retroarch and use the bsnes code.

>>474007
>Byuu always comes to defend his shitty emulator.
>implying he ever comes to 4chan
Unlike most other emulator developers, he actually seems to get shit done. If he spent all day in here defending his emulator, he wouldn't have.
He doesn't need to either, because his work speaks for itself by its superiority to all others.
Granted, Snes9x will emulate most games just as well, and in some cases, perhaps so will ZSNES, but that doesn't change the fact that it's long-dead, outdated and buggy to the point of having severe problems with some games. (Mario RPG comes to mind... it was one of the last games I played on ZSNES before I realized that it was time to move on to something better)

ZSNES's original appeal back in the 90s and early 2000s was that it was feature-rich (by that time's standards), easy to use and ran well on the shitty hardware that was common back then due to use of assembly.
It's now 2013. Unless you're running on 4+ years old hardware, running one of the Higan/bsnes variations (or corresponding core in RetroArch) should not be a problem. In the case that it is, Snes9x is still a better alternative than ZSNES. Most other SNES emulators now have comparable feature-sets to ZSNES, if not even better, and the performance thing is really not an issue unless you're gonna run it on a really ancient computer.

>>474041
If the games were coded in such a way that they only run on ZSNES's emulation core, and fail on actual SNES hardware or an actual accurate emulator, then he's absolutely right.

>>474090
>Not playing snes on a 90s casio watch

>>474052
ZSNES trolls pls go.

>>474098
You think he knows about that stuff, or cares, ballpark is good enough for him, sound crackling and missing detail gives him nostalgia, don´t you just love when jrpgs die and you hadn´t saved in 2 hours ?, how I miss zsnes ...

>>474101

>>474109
To be honest, I suspect he's probably the OP, and the sole purpose of this thread was to troll by vehemently claiming ZSNES to be best.

I don't really care. It makes for amusing debate.

>>474083
Like I said, it's been a while since I used it and the whole "my file extension is better than yours" thing killed Higan for me. The emulator shouldn't care if it's an .smc, .fig or something else, if it can discern that there is SNES code in there. Encourage people to use the cleaner header/format, yes, but don't force people into it.

>>473852

Because it's very far from perfect

https://zsnes.bountysource.com/development/bug_report

The developers aren't even supporting the current ZSNES, which has broken netplay and SA-1 emulation, in favor of the eventual ZSNES 2.0 rewrite

>>474120
If you don't force people into doing the right thing so that we can have a universal, standard format, then they simply won't do it.

Case in point: the people still using ZSNES. The only thing that will ever take it away from them is the depreciation of 32 bit windows applications, if that.

>>474120
It doesn´t, you can load smc, but the library is SFC with folder crap. I minded that first time, but it´s a batch conversion, you just pick your room folder and then it´s all done, it´s all in the library.

>>474120

He isn't forcing that anymore either, the import game function automatically handles any .smc or .sfc ROM

>>474034
>is mad about people using an inferior snes emulator
>uses vlc player
scumbagmario.jpg

>>474134
>uses vlc player
Not on your life, pal.

>>474134
File names are kept when you download the orginal file with the 4chan extension.

>>474121
I hope they realize that x86 is slowly dying, and code it in something more reasonable like C this time, instead of Intel assembly.
I want an emulator that lasts the ages, something that I can put on my Google Glass 4 10 years from now.

>>474143
Or when you use google image search to find a picture of a reliant robin.

>>474130

That would be like what happened to Nesticle, since it was DOS only. Nobody defends that old emulator because they can't run it.

>>474145
You think 2.0 could overtake snes9x ?

>>474145

It's being rewritten in C++

>>474153
Basically, yeah. And eventually it'll happen to ZSNES too, give or take another 5-10 years. Then we'll finally be rid of it.

>>474120

.sfc has been around for many years, he just decided to be the one to take a stand and force people to stop using GoodSNES .smc ROMs and start using more updated ROMs from more updated ROMsets

>>474120
>"my file extension is better than yours" thing killed Higan for me
I agree that the import system is utterly stupid, but by using the bsnes cores with RetroArch that issue is avoided, as it uses regular rom files.

>>474176
Where would I find these "more updated ROMsets"?
It seems to me that 99.9% of the roms found around the net are still .smc files. If there are superior .sfc roms for most or all games out there, I'd like to know where I could find them.

>>474130

The ROM sites are mostly to blame here, most of them continue to carry ROMsets that are way behind what No-Intro's database has

>>474178
>I agree that the import system is utterly stupid
Why? It left SNES roms in a variety of formats with a bunch of nonsense headers that shouldn't be on the ROMs.

It's shit that needed to go.

>>474190
Emuparadise, romnation, private trackers, any place that maters, not on angelfire or geocities domains tho ..

>>474190

Torrents.

ROM sites are the cancer, if they'd stop carrying years outdated ROM sets, nobody would be complaining.

>>474145
They'd pretty much just have to rewrite the whole thing from scratch to make it decent I think. There's probably still leftover legacy code from the 90s in there.

>>474156
Any proof of this actually being done?
Like a development repository or something?
I was under the impression that the devs did nothing but occasionally post in the forums about the stuff they'd like to see done in the future at some point but are far too lazy to ever actually get started on.

>>474209
From what I've seen, it's basically a bunch of "We'd like to eventually do this, and we're probably going to. Someday. Eventually."

That and "You guys are fucking idiots for writing your romhacks and translations to rely on bugs in ZSNES. You know we're going to fix those, right?"

>>468680
>zsnes for compatibility

Holy fuck I'm dying

>>474202
Ahh no, aparently emuparadise has an old romset with a bunch of hacked trash games. Get themon bitgamer or gazelle.

>>474190
UG will have it. It's also golden week. Best time to get the best of the best. And it usually has open invites.

>>474202
I've been using ROMnation, but most roms there are generally .SMC files.

>angelfire or geocities domains
I remember those from the 90s, but do they actually still exist?

>>474201
Got any good torrent links for that?

>>474220
>bitgamer
Too soon.

>>474235
UG?

>>474231
I meant blackcats man.

>>474241
Undeground Gamer

>>474226
I was kiddng, I just checked emuparadise and their individual roms are sfc, but the packaged one is outdated.

>>474246
>their individual roms are sfc, but the packaged one is outdated
So... there's more than one way to download roms there?

>>474252
Packaged romsets and bowsing the full list and picking the ones you want.

>>474246

They have up-to-date full No-Intro sets on their forums

http://www.epforums.org/showthread.php?56293-No-Intro-Collection-(Complete-ROM-Sets)*

>>474007
Go away mudlard.

http://board.byuu.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3823

>>474090
Dude spends a lot of time on /a/. Nowhere else though afaik.

>>474268

Speaking of No-Intro, aren't they working on a DS and PSP set now?

>>474294
Why can't I hold all those aspergers?

>>474294

>blargg is a brony

Everyone has their flaws, I guess

>>474317
Because he's actually doing something, and knows his stuff, so he's the best at doing it. And that's fine for us.

>>474249
>>474235
Thanks for the tip. I created an account and started downloading some No-Intro torrents.

>>474268
>>474314
So, how does that work?
Are No-Intro some sort of group that has some sort of ability to dump and verify "guaranteed good" roms?

>>474360

No-Intro strips header info out of roms that are put there by cart readers. I think Byuu had a whole article about it.

>>474360
They dump games, and record the hashes.
Then they redump games multiple times, and verify the hashes are the same. They basically build a database of hashes that can be used to verify ROMs and build a set from.

>>474378
Nice.

>>473958
>since the best way is still playing the actual console itself

lolno, emulators are superior. Any input device you want, graphical tweaks, hacking, savestates for games without saving/shit-ass password systems, save backup/trading, easy screenshots, recording variable window size, no hardware limitation shitting up a game with flickering/slowdown, etc etc.

Non-shit emulators, anyway. Not MUH PERFECT EMULATION bullshit like pissness

>>473291
Anyone?

>What's the best snes emulator?
bsnes

>>474979
Most SMW hacks you'll find if you poke around smwcentral.net

Sonic hacks you'll find on Sonic Retro (be aware some of it is haphazardly put together, but it's generally all there).

Youtube will usually have the link to the hacks (or look up the name of the hack).

As for the rest? Hit or miss. Good luck.

>>472610

GET.FUCKING.XEBRA
Seriously, you guys are getting repetitive,

List of Recommended Emulators:
http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Emulators

For Higan/bsnes, the interface can be a little annoying. Use Retroarch and the bsnes cores. Much easier.
http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/RetroArch

>>468619

Don't use Zsnes. List of problems here:

http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/ZSNES

Please read that. It gives

I'm using zsnes. This PC is way too crappy to run bsnes and snes9x always crashes when I try to change the video settings. Also, the ntsc filter of zsnes is simply delicious.

Such cases.

>>475064
>always crashes when I try to change the video settings.

Have you tried changing it from OpenGL to D3D or DX modes? I've noticed that in windows OpenGL doesn't play nice with snes9x.

You bSnes droids are the worst, if someone questions your emulator god's ideas and statements the first thing you do is post the accuracy "essay" byu's wrote.
Get this, bsnes is unoptimized as fuck, and all it does is correctly show shadows and a couple of effects on 7 or 8 games. Wow, it's fucking nothing.

>>475073
You could at least type it correctly. It's bsnes, not BSNES, bSNES, bSnes, Bsnes, BsNeS or anything like that.

Just bsnes.

>>475064
>Also, the ntsc filter of zsnes is simply delicious.

Snes9x has the same filters.

>>475064
>This PC is way too crappy to run bsnes and snes9x

What are the specs? I would recommend upgrading your system. You don't need anything fancy. A standard laptop after 2007 should run both just fine.

Oh, and have you tried Retroarch? It has bsnes and Snes9x cores, and seems to run faster than the regular bsnes program.
http://themaister.net/retroarch.html

Try running Snes9x-Next, which is the "optimized" (runs faster) version aimed at lower end computers.

>>475072

It crashes as soon as I click on the video setting tab. I was using snes9x until a few years ago, then it suddenly crashed on my. It's a mystery.

>>475097

Guide:
http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/RetroArch#Using_RetroArch

>>475102

Have you tried a newer version?

Beta:
http://www.emucr.com/2013/03/snes9x-git-20130327.html

Stable:
http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/snes/snes9x.html

>>475093
oh, what a huge typo, a capital letter on the first S.

Sup, byudrone?

>>475102
Have you tried any of the releases after BearOso started working on it? It's much better these days.

>>475125
>>475102
>>475142
https://sites.google.com/site/bearoso/snes9x/snes9x-1.53-win32-x64.zip?attredirects=0&d=1

https://sites.google.com/site/bearoso/snes9x/snes9x-1.53-win32.zip?attredirects=0&d=1

There, now we don't have to use someone else's pay wall.

Also, I highly suggest using the new version linked. Things are better this side of the sun.

>>475073

While bsnes has its problems, zsnes is much, much worse. Many games have freezing or crashing problems. Romhacks made for zsnes basically only work in zsnes. The damn thing is never going to be updated ever again because its coded in Assembly. Sound is completely off.

Some say they're okay with it, but I see no reason to accept a substandard product when better alternatives exist.

Snes9x is so much better. It's meant to be a middle ground between the two. Pretty much any post 2005 system should be able to run it. It focuses on compromise.

Bsnes is even probably unoptimized, and is a bit of a pain to use. That's why I just use the bsnes cores in Retroarch.

>>475161
>pay wall.

Those sites aren't behind a "pay wall" though. Anyone can access them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paywall

>>475181
I used the wrong term. Been up way too late. Sorry about that.

Just think it's better to get files from the coder's source instead of seeing ads or whatnot.

>>475190
>Just think it's better to get files from the coder's source instead of seeing ads or whatnot.

I agree. I even feel sorry for being nit picky.

>>475202
If I were more awake I would have called me out on it. No harm done.

>>474090
>implying he ever comes to 4chan

Someone claiming to be him came into /vg/'s Emulation General. He said he mostly went to /a/.

>>474120
>Encourage people to use the cleaner header/format, yes, but don't force people into it.

We should, and I think the best way would be for rom sites to just switch over first.

>>472132

It is! But not that one.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/04/15/unboxing-the-super-famicom-classic-controller/

>>475175
But i wasn't even defending ZSNES, i use Snes9x for the games that i don't own.
And the thing about zsnes is, the people that are still using it and the people that complain that others are still using it are equally retarded, it's an old piece of software meant to be used more than 10 years ago. Still, i miss it's interface, gives me a nostalgia of it's own.

>>475278
>But not that one.
>it's the same thing

>>475297
*its

>>475297

While that's fine.

The concept of bsnes is great. I just don't like the specific implimentation of higan. This is however the beauty of open source software. You can just take the bsnes code, and use it for something else. Which is why I use bsnes core in Retroarch. All the benefits, without the losses. And for whatever strange reason it runs faster.

We need obsessive autists like byuu in emulation. We need someone who is willing to challenge convention. He's right about everything, but half the stuff isn't really worth fighting over, so that's why I just use the core of bsnes, but not higan.

>>469053
Mostly because about all NES emulators are accurate, so which one is not even something to discuss.
For Gameboy its not even a argument because there is only 1 decent emulator, which ships with okay filters.
For SNES, Zsnes was the fucking best for a long time, because of features.

>>473220
He earned a lot of money on his Gameboy and DS emulator.

>>475298

>it's the same thing

Is it?

I've seen some chinese copies here.

>>473220

I swear I've seen this same copy pasta before.

>>475343
>Mostly because about all NES emulators are accurate, so which one is not even something to discuss.

Not really. Check here:
http://tasvideos.org/EmulatorResources/NESAccuracyTests.html

JNES is kinda popular, but one of the least accurate.

Nestopia is pretty popular and what most people use, and it's accurate enough, with an 80% rating.

>>475326

>We need obsessive autists like byuu in emulation.

I agree with you, the thing is snes emulation was never that bad to begin with. It feels like wasted effort when there's still so many things to accomplish in other areas.(ie. mame and n64 emulation)

Are there any NES emulators that don't flicker, slow down or show lines of garbage on one edge?

>>475382
>A real NES having anything other than 100% accuracy.

>>475382
So basically there exists ROMs which needs very odd pieces of special hardware, which has some issues on various NES emulators?
Seems legit.

>>475403
If you mean NES (+Power Pak)

That's an NES with Power Pak which is a flash cart.

>>475385

>I agree with you, the thing is snes emulation was never that bad to begin with.

Yes it was. Zsnes was, and still is one of the most popular SNES emulators.

Now, you could argue that it might have made more sense to just contribute to Snes9x code to make it more accurate. In an optimal world, this is what would have happened and wouuld have reduced the amount of replicated efforts.

I imagine that there would have been massive differences in philosophy, and that byuu is a bit of an oddball autist who doesn't like compromise. So whatever.

>>475392
That's how an NES does things, too bad.

>>475430
>>475392

That's the No Sprite limit option. Nestopia has it.
http://0ldsk00l.ca/nestopia.html

So guys, what is the reccomender SNES, nDS, GB, GBA, PSX emulator on Android (Samsung Galaxy S II to be extact, still dual core, not quad core)

>>475445

Retroarch android is the best you're going to get.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.retroarch&hl=en

Anyone know the most compatible version of MAME? I'm trying to play gradius and it is just not compatible with the version I'm using.

>>475507
>>475445
>>475392

These are great questions. Take them to /vg/'s Emulation General.

Bump

>>468619
>>>/vg/32319057

>>475621
That thread is slow as fuck chief.

why does every emulation thread end up being a bunch of asshurt bsnes/higen supporters who can't cope with the fact that most people can't run it and get good framerates?

One day I'll have a fucking monster PC that can run Higan acceptably well, plug it on a gigantic LCD screen and use CRT filters for amazing win.

One day...

>>475746
Because there will always be a subset of people who would rather emulate a game perfectly then actually have fun playing it.

>>475746

Because Byuu is the most autistic and socially awkward piece of shit to grace the emulator scene, and people like that fanatically look up to him. It's a cult of personality, an elitistic circlejerk where fedora clad fatasses can feel like special little snowflakes because they can run Adult Manga v2 and Lion's Porno Party at +20fps on bsnes.

I wasn't aware emulation was this serious.

I just thought there were different emulators.

>>476062
What is it with extremely unpleasant individuals and silly hats?

>>476080
Emulation has always been serious from the start because of how you develop them. You need knowledge of each and every console from the ground up, every little nut and bolt.

>>476141
I figured as much for people creating emulators.

>>476080

The emuscene has always centered around one or two online forums, with a few people who actually know how to program shit and the rest sucking their dicks. These people then get into all sorts of drama, and their huge fanboy armies follow suit.

It's sort of like ancient Greece really.

>>476170
>It's sort of like ancient Greece really.
It's funny because Rome emulated Greece later on.

>>476062
>I'm talking out of my ass

Byuu is the man, and his ideals are the only things that matter to him, he would be ready to sacrifice everything meterial to honor them. When people struggle with his ideals over some petty complains with an immature and closed mind, he activates full-on hate to defend his ideals over changing, he does so to keep coherence and the more extremist he gets, the more chances of honoring his ideals.

He also doesn't give a fuck about the rest of emulators and tells others to download SNES9x if it's their first emulator, and even contributes his code over.

>>476202
>byuu is autistic

that's what I said anon.

>>476209
Yes, but you skipped the part where I'm a moron and need a sleep because I cannot into reading comprehension, please pardon me.

>>468619
I'm going to put the most popular /vr/ into one simple list, or at least try to:

>Genesis
Kega Fusion, does about everything pre-Saturn too so it's nice for one stop emulation once you get the BIOS right. Works the best on older rigs.

GenPlus GX if you're not going to fool with Sega CD and if you like accuracy.

>SNES
SNES9x for speed
BSNES/Higan for Accuracy, high-end comp required.
Don't touch ZSNES unless you use it already.

>NES
FCEUX if you like messing with the ROM and having fun with them. Also useful if you have an ancient graphics card.
Nestopia if you just want to play games.

>GBC
bgb if you like Super GameBoy boarders and options.
VBA-M or Gambatte otherwise, VBA-M is the best for GBA

>PS1
Xebra for accuracy.
ePSXe otherwise, but it's really tedious.

Retroarch has everything in one package with a little fooling around but it's worth it, Mac has OpenEmu which is very similar but the latest version is in closed beta.

>Android
There are a ton of emulators that nearly all port the same thing, except for that Imagine engine series. The guy who makes SNES9X EX+ does a lot of apps with well founded emulators at the cores like FCEUX and VBA-M. His stuff costs money outside of SNES, honestly worth it but they can be sideloaded if you believe in not paying for things that were free in the first place.

>>476264
>ePSXe

all of my WHY?

>>476264
I thought Kega was pretty accurate.

>not PCSX-R for PS1

>>476283
Last I checked, Xebra can't run everything quite yet.

>>476303
Yeah, so you would then switch to PCSX-R. ePSXe is fucking trash.

>>476315

Because it takes some time to configure the correct plugins for each game?

>>476336
>correct plugins for each game

Nah m8, ePSXe runs a rotten core on it's own, you can stop it from stuttering and all the timing goes to hell. Even psxfin does a better job giving a stable output. And PCSX-R uses the same plugins, and has a widescreen hack. There's literally no reason for keeping that other mess.

>>476264
GenPlus GX does SegaCD just fine from my experience. I've been playing Pier Solar with CD audio and Lunar for a while now just fine. Really, the only thing I don't think it does now is 32X. Otherwise, it's just as good, if not better than Kega with everything else.

I'll also say that for PS1 emulators, the general consensus is PCSX-R is better than ePSXe. It's essentially the new ePSXe since PCSX-R does everything ePSXe does but better. Same plugins, same graphic options, etc. More accurate and less stuttering, too.

So for PS1, I'd say Xebra/Mednafen PSX (they're both pretty equal in terms of accuracy) or PCSX-R.

Has a decent PC-Engine emulator been developed, or are we still stuck with a lot of kinda-sorta ones?

>>476508
MagicEngine (Which worked with most things I played the last time I tried it; mostly Working Designs games and fan-translations) or Mednafen. That's about it. I have no experience with the latter, but I've heard it's just as good/better than MagiceEngine, so...

>>476523
Thanks for the mednafen tip, I'll have to check it out.

>>476541
IIRC, there's two Mednafen emulators or something. One is speed focused, the other is accuracy. The speed focused one doesn't work with as much stuff. If you're using RetroArch, the current one included is the speed one. The accuracy one is only with Mednafen itself.

I have no experience with either since it's been a long time since I've emulated anything from the TG16. Been wanting to play some Bonk for a while now, though, so maybe I'll check it out.

>>476560
I meant this for TG16 emulation, that is.

>>476264

There's already a list. Similar to yours.
http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Emulators

>>475726

And? It's actually filled with people who know things about emulation. Wait an hour and you'll have a few good responses. Better than /vr/, where your thread will either get no responses, or have retards.

Current thread:
>>>/vg/32666863

>>475746

Because zsnes is trash, and /vr/ is filled with morons who still use it.

>>476508
Ootake

>>476508
>Has a decent PC-Engine emulator been developed, or are we still stuck with a lot of kinda-sorta ones?

Retroarch. Uses Mednafen core.

>>476853
forgot link http://www.ouma.jp/ootake/

Is ZSNES the only emulator that allows automatically redefining controls for each game? I need that functionality.

>>476523
>>476541
No on MagicEngine. Timing's off everywhere I hear, and you actually need to pay for it when you can get far better.

Medafen still has the best PCE emulation out there, and Retroarch uses it's core. PCE.emu or Retroarch for android.

I just found out that almost all emulators for the Wii output in 240p. Thank god my PVM takes component input

>>476895
Which is ironic because Dolphin.

>ZSNES Defenders
Geez, I thought with /vr/'s background the threads would be less retarded.

>>476908

>MUH AUTISM

Fuck off

>>>/out/

>there are people in the world who get visibly upset about people using different emulators

Thank God I don't suffer from whatever brain disease you guys have. You want to tell me how to wipe my ass and organize my refrigerator, too?

>>476915
No really, I'm legitimately surprised. I never hear anything about Z outside of here anymore.

>>476925

>expect people who talk about 90's games like they are serious business not to have nostalgia about 90's emulators

Software is software man.

>>476925
It's because emulators are generally hard to keep up with unless you're "in the know," and Z actually works so some people still use it.

That said...
>>476918
What the fuck did you expect from 4chan talking about what emulators to use, asspats for using something that isn't even updated anymore?

>>476951

This actually raises a very good point. Everyone on this board are discussing playing old games and enjoying the nostalgia, yet admitting to use old emulators is suddenly a bad thing?

>>476918

Zsnes is indefensible in 2013 though.

>>476925
>>476908

>>476993

Just like old fucking outdated shit games.

>>476982
>This actually raises a very good point. Everyone on this board are discussing playing old games and enjoying the nostalgia, yet admitting to use old emulators is suddenly a bad thing?

Yes. Emulation was not perfect in 1999. Zsnes focused on speed. Think of it as being 50% of a real snes. Modern emulators are more like 85-95% of a snes.

Which one would you prefer to use?

>>476997

Many of them are still the best in their genre.

Zsnes was a snes emulator, but didn't do the job well enough.

>>477002

Gaming was not perfect in 1991. SNES focused on 2D graphics. Think of it as being 1% of a XBOX360. Modern consoles have like 85-95x more processing power than than a SNES.

Which one would you prefer to use?

>>477018

This is just trolling. I'm going to just assume any other zsnes defenders in this thread are just trolls and do something more productive with my day.

>>477026

No it isn't.

I'm trying to point out to you the reason why we all cling to things from our childhood / teens. Nostalgia. It's the same thing for old emulators as it is for old games.

>>477018
>Modern consoles have like 85-95x

Snes: 3.58 MHz
Xbox360: 3,200 GHz

Yes, I'm aware that simple clockspeed comparisons between different cpus is inaccurate, but it gives some sense of the scale. You're off by a whole order of magnitude.

>>477049

Yes, I admit that. I was simply parroting his post, and my point was still made.

I played games like Chrono Trigger and Super Mario RPG for the first time on ZSNES, because they were not released in my country. I get as giddy and nostalgic loading the rom on ZSNES as some folks get loading the cartridge to an actual system.

>>477040
>I'm trying to point out to you the reason why we all cling to things from our childhood / teens. Nostalgia. It's the same thing for old emulators as it is for old games

>tfw there isn't a single emulator out there that will give you the feeling that you're playing your favorite game for the first time all over again

inb4 people suffering with amnesia getting to feel this feel

>>477062
>I played games like Chrono Trigger and Super Mario RPG for the first time on ZSNES, because they were not released in my country. I get as giddy and nostalgic loading the rom on ZSNES as some folks get loading the cartridge to an actual system.

That explains it. And this is all nice. But Snes9x and bsnes are objectively better emulators than zsnes. You just have your nostalgia.

>>477074
That said, there are good points about emulators:
>Able to play brand new games that were never released.
>Easier to find games you missed to play for the first time.
>Romhacks

That feeling can be neverending if you try.

>>477098

Flashcarts are best of both worlds.

>>477075

Yeah, and I'm certain quite a few anons who say they still prefer ZSNES are this way. They are accustomed to it and feel comfortable using it. Same goes for Nesticle or No$Gameboy.

When I replay Final Fantasy, I always use Nesticle, even if I am aware it rapes both the sound and the graphics. But to me it feels original and authentic, the way the game was meant to be, because it's connected straight to the joy of playing the game for the first time in my childhood.

>>477107
Can flashcarts emulate special chips yet? I keep hearing that even the best can't.

>>477113
>When I replay Final Fantasy, I always use Nesticle, even if I am aware it rapes both the sound and the graphics. But to me it feels original and authentic, the way the game was meant to be, because it's connected straight to the joy of playing the game for the first time in my childhood.

This is just straight up trolling or parody levels now.

>>477127

I don't get it. Why can we so readily accept that people have nostalgia towards old games, old operating systems (Win 3.1 threads pop up pretty often), old hardware... but somehow old emulators are trolling or parody territory?

>>477115
>Can flashcarts emulate special chips yet? I keep hearing that even the best can't.

For snes, no. But that's relatively few games. Most of them aren't even worth playing honestly. StarFox was just a technical achievement but not much of a game.

>>477140

Because it paints zsnes defenders as utterly irrational and blinded by emotion.

>>477140

Think of it this way. You can have your nostalgia. But you sure as HELL should not recommend zsnes to other people in 2013.

>>477156

I would never do that, and I don't ever see anyone doing it in these threads. All I see is some people stating that they still prefer to use ZSNES and byuufags immediately sperg out against it.

>>477140
>old operating systems (Win 3.1 threads pop up pretty often)

>wanting to relive Windows 3.x and 9x

"The following application has caused a fatal exception 0E in location 3422:00044eff"

Nope.

>>477170
>All I see is some people stating that they still prefer to use ZSNES and byuufags immediately sperg out against it.

Then zsnes guys should be open that it's purely a nostalgic thing and that other emulators are what should be recommended to new people.

>>477178

I agree with you. I think the general recommendation should be to go snes9x if you just want to quickly emulate SNES and get bsnes / higan if you care about the authenticity of the experience.

I'd just prefer to cut off all the shit flinging that happens mainly between ZSNES nostalgiafags and the never ending circlejerk around bsnes. Them bickering over who is a retard and who is not doesn't really bring anything to the table.

>>477170
>byuufags

Nope, I use 9X. Mostly so I can share saves between devices, and I have a mac, windows, and android.

>>477198


ZSNES is mostly x86 assembly. Once we migrate past 64-bit those old 32-bit programs will be long gone, unless someone uses a VM. ZSNES will die, like Nesticle did, it'll just take time.

>>477237
>Once we migrate past 64-bit

You'll be dead before that happens

>>476264
>Android
I use Retroarch, but it is a bit slow. I hear about that .emu line mentioned and after using SNES9x EX+ I will say the GUI is a fuckton better and it runs smooth as butter on minimal specs when the priority is at it's highest.

>>477363
Even Kirby?