/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4824317
Those are just shitty limey rip-offs of F-Zero, an actual good futuristic racer series.

>>4824317
Much better than that one. Wipeout 3 specifically is exquisite.

>>4824336
Don't even start. Beyond the fact that they're futuristic and the craft hover, it's an apples & oranges comparison. The handling and feel of the two franchises are completely different.

>>4824336
I summon Cee

>>4824336
You mean Extreme G

>>4824353
Can't wait for him to start ranting about aesthetics or tricks he's too shit to pull off himself.

>>4824336
Then again, F-Zero's last game was on GBA, while WipeOut's on the PS4, remastered.

>>4824454
GOOFY ASS CHARACTERS SLIDING IS LACK OF SKILL BUGGY MECHANICS

They're better but you will have to get used to the handling, it's much harder because the steering isn't instant. If you're going to play Wipeout 3, get the north american version instead of special edition. SE has some nice features and tracks but it runs at an abysmal framerate.
>>4824336
(You)

i keep seeing this 3 and SE discussion, which one do people use for time trials?

>>4824338
>eliminator 2 player, first to 99 kills
>both turn around and go backwards the entire track killing enemies
good times

>>4826142
Both, I prefer 3 because SE has a lot of skips. SE is more popular among the average players, though.

Do any of you guys want to do some friendly time attack competition like the podracerfags?

>>4827315
which game? i could join for some wipeout 64 shenanigans

>>4827365
Any I suppose, I play 3 and 2097. 64 is good, but the barrier for entry is quite high in comparison to the others as playing it on a non-N64 controller kind of sucks.

>>4824454
i can pull off all the tricks and have times you will never get near in both that doesn't change that the tricks themselves are beyond stupid and entirely arbitrary.

>>4826142
>which one do people use for time trials?
both have been grinded to crazy times by the same ppl pretty much, i prefer 3 ntsc-u for the faster frame rate and weightier physics + no track leaving skips which are gay.

>>4827315
>>4827375
sure i'm in if its xl/3.

>>4824621
>arbitrarily leaving the track at the precise pixel and pulling a direction until you re land back on the track nearer the end glitch style is good game design.

>>4824343
>The handling and feel of the two franchises are completely different.
this, wipeout requires precision and skill and abides by the fundementals of racing whilst f-zero is gooberville sliding along the walls with no punishment and is for man children.

>>4827375
are emulators allowed?
I might go with 3 then

>>4827382
Nice, post your times if you've got some
I dunno which tracks to focus on right now, so far I have
2097 - Talon's Reach - 1:38.60
3 - Porto Kora - 1:49:44
>>4827412
Yeah, doesn't have to be a serious competition

>>4827419
phantom speed class yes?

>>4827424
Yes, Piranha in 2097 Icaras in 3

>>4827429
no that's ships not speed class, all records are done by speed class not by ship used which is the players choice.

>>4827445
I know that I just added that for the sake of full info

>>4827447
for courses i recommend talons reach, gare dropa for xl and porta kora and manor top for , thats enough to get stuck into for now.

Should I even bother with the first one? It's fucking impossible to find an ISO online.

>>4824317
>how are the ps1 games?
around 100x better than the piss poor n64 port.

>>4827862
Isn't it an exclusive title and not a port?

>>4824462
Mario Cart 8 if we count the F-Zero track.

>>4827834
Its on emuparadise and not really, unless youre already a big fan of WO. It has some hard as balls tracks like silverstream but thats about it. Whats annoying is that it doesnt have codes like the other ones so have fun slogging through singleplayer to unlock the faster speed classes

>>4827868
Not him, I don't think Wipeout 64 was piss poor, and it kind of is its own beast for more than one reason, but the ship assets are the same and the tracks are the ones from 2097/XL reversed, so I could see why >>4827862 would treat it as a port.

>>4827868
It sure is that anon is a fucking retard. Most of its tracks are mirrored and slightly modified versions of tracks from the first two games with new graphics and it shares ship models with 2 but besides that it's a very different game.

been playing this, is pretty good

>>4827862
it's not a port you retarded cunt and it's actually really good.

For WO3, what are the ships used for Time Trials?
Does the game has some sort of tech to learn?
Also 64 is legit

>>4831291
Assegai if it's a twisty track with sharp turns, icaras if it's something more manageable some people use piranha too. By tech do you mean obscure mechanics? It's mostly very intuitive, one thing to note is that air braking slides you around which can be used to counter oversteer

>>4831302
All right, gonna practice the first track for a while before I post some times here

>>4824462
Not retro.

>>4831251
> it's really good
you wish it was, cunt. it's unplayable fucking garbage.

>>4831352
In what way is it unplayable

>>4831365
I don't own an N64.

>>4831374
Emulate

>>4831302
You mean opposite braking, where you hit the opposite airbrake to slide? Not sure if it's an oversight or an intended mechanic. What's definitely an oversight is boosting on jumps.

>>4831506
Thats it. I wouldnt even call it a mechanic since its just using the obvious inherent property of the air brakes to counter some of your vehicles limitations. You can use it to nullify a slide after you do an air brake heavy turn or you can use it to fix oversteer by letting go of a direction, sliding away from a corner and letting your ship become centered. Or you can use both of those techniques minimally to adjust your lines. Intended or not its a fun mechanic that should have been kept in the newer games...

>>4831534
I actually played the game for years without realizing you could do it. Found out about it when I read a forum post.

>>4831558
Which team do you main? I noticed myself doing it a lot with icaras to make up for the shit-tier steering but it took a while until I fully understood exactly what I was doing and why

>>4831569
Qirex in the first two games, have yet to get my head around Piranha in 2097. In 3 I alternate between Qirex, Icaras and AG Systems because they're all fun to play. Assegai is a little too overpowered in the steering department imo so not as fun to play.

>>4831352
>it's unplayable fucking garbage.

nope you're just fucking shit and low i.q with no perserverance who can't muster nuanced control, i bet you fucked the walls then just gave up you worthless shit, try f-zero mate it's more your thing.

BTW i have competitive times in wipeout 64 you fucking pleb fuck and the control is extremely good tuned to the n64 controller so fuck off.

>>4824317
Why doesn't it have a grand prix mode?

>>4831291
>For WO3, what are the ships used for Time Trials?
Just go browse the records on wipeoutzone and most courses are icarus but manor top in particular is assegai and eaisly the course i've played the most. My pb is a 1.58 which is a just a couple seconds short of the wr.

>>4831576
I prefer ships that are harder to steer too, get more use out of air brakes. With that said Assegai may be overpowered but manor top and p-mar project are BEGGING to be played with it, they feel too goooood that way

Am I missing something or does this game not have a standard 5 lap time attack mode and only has a hotlap thing in its place?

>>4824462
Lmao classic sonypony thinking about sales instead of quality. Classic retardation.

>>4824317
They had the advantage of having licenced music like chemical brothers on cd quality.
They are cool but very clunky sometimes.

>>4831835
Very true. P-Mar has that fucking cruel and unusual chicane...

https://youtu.be/40He8oX3IDE
boi

>>4832281
>but very clunky
t. low skill shitter

>>4831835
>>4831576
well you guys babble aside i'm just telling you the established best ships for courses, it's impossible to get anywhere near icarus good time on porta for example with other ships.

assegai overpowered? um no it's a mid range speed ship but it's cornering equals out on manor top making it the fastest for that course.

>>4831302
Pretty good webm quality for 640x480 and fast motion

>>4833082
>all the challenging turns can be skipped
Why Wipeout devs hate invisible walls and respawn zones?

>>4824336
/thread

>>4833337
>F-Zero fags would rather do low effort shitposting in the Wipeout thread than talk about the games in their own thread

What a great fanbase

What are your top 3 courses in the series?

>>4833405
3 is the only one Ive invested enough time into to have definite favourites. P-mar Project, Stanza Inter and Manor Top in that order. P-mar needs more love, it must be the chicane tunnel that puts people off

>>4824353
>>4827382
>>4833156
Bollocks wanker m8 you're all dad shitters inferior to my superior plane of existence

>>4824317
wipeout 64 is the worst wipeout, and it's still good
more of an f-zero guy and episode 1 pod-racer guy myself, but wipeout 1/2/3 are ALL better than the n64 one.

xtreme-g is better than both anyway.>>4824462
if this matters, consider redout or GRIP, modern versions of wipeout and rollcage stage 2.

i like all these sci-fi racers.

>>4833980
Redout is not like wipeout, it just looks a bit like it on the surface. If you want modern Wipeout you just play modern wipeout. That or ballisticng though I could hardly call that one modern.

>>4832281
Well I know quality instead of biased opinions... Unlike you. Besides, I didn't said anything about sales.

>>4824336
fpbp

>>4833980
>xtreme-g is better
By what possible metric?

>>4833980
>wipeout 64 is the worst wipeout
absolute drivel...

>>4833980
>more of an f-zero guy and episode 1 pod-racer guy myself
and there it is, the mark of the plebian.


>>4833980
>but wipeout 1/2/3 are ALL better than the n64 one.
wrong, 1 has the best ost but is no where near as good as the n64, have you even played it on hardware? its nothing like the emulation.

>>4833980
>xtreme-g is better than both anyway.
credibility diminishing....

>try to install wipeout
>get this shit even in compatability mode
fugg. are there any other wipeouts for the PC or?

>>4836087
It looks like a 16-bit installer. Either look for a 32-bit installer (good luck) or install 32-bit Windows.

>>4836087
Yes, BallisticNG