/vr/ - Retro Games

Work on a wiki/centralized knowledge repository is hopefully going to start soon.

If anyone has suggestions, ideas for articles/subjects, specific questions they'd like answered/attention put towards, and/or would like to help out; It'd be greatly appreciated if you could post said ideas and/or get in contact with me via the server.

Is it feasible to attempt to mod an horizontal size option to a CRT that doesn't have one?

When is a newcomer ready to start working on CRTs? How much do they have to know? How safe can you be? I've absorbed plenty of knowledge regarding working inside of these things but I still feel like I'm not ready to calibrate mine even when I know what needs adjusted and have a general idea of what not to touch. Anyone else here have to teach themselves from a hodgepodge of internet resources? How did your first couple of experiences working inside of CRTs go and what are your methods for doing it safely? I'll have to adjust mine while the set is turned on.

>>4807974
What model?

>>4808069
Just do it faggot, it's not gonna kill you.

how fucked am I if I didn't write down any service menu options I changed and want to go back?

finally it's back!

>>4808403
>how fucked am I if I didn't write down any service menu options I changed and want to go back?
No going back now, just lucking back into original setup. Stop and write down what you have right now to use it as your new baseline before adjusting anything else.

>>4808069
What >>4808398 said. I just worked on my 1944Q and it went fine. First time messing around with pots and convergence and all that. Went well enough. Just make sure you are keeping your eyes on your hands. Use a mirror or another person. I gave myself a little zap messing around with the H-STAT pot with my arm around the tube trying to look at the screen.

>Anyone else here have to teach themselves from a hodgepodge of internet resources?
Good luck doing it any other way, there aren't really many people you would go about meeting in real life to learn from. You can't learn experience, just go for it. Someone just so happens to be making a channel dedicated to this. Check out some of these videos, he's most likely making more as we speak.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwOTvOtoAjiqQx1PCrfmTKw

>>4808412
Doing this now. Would finding someone with the same TV and copying their settings be the safest bet to "go back"?

>>4808424
It would speed things up, I’d think, especially if you don’t know for certain what changes you made to your settings are messing up your picture. If you’re patient, you could probably fix things little by little.

Do you have a model and photo of what your monitor image looks like right now? It would help with diagnosing potential problems and remedies.

I can't get any picture through composite on my 1944Q. Works fine on my 8040's but no picture on my 1944Q. I read somewhere that RCA to BNC adapter quality could impact signal, where some cheaper adapters won't even display the signal. Could this be possible? They are all from the same batch of adapter, so I'm not sure why it's exclusive.

>>4807950
how important is that pvm or bvm shit. How noticable is it?

>>4808490
27kv310, I used this guide: https://socksfelloff.wordpress.com/2017/02/26/sony-trinitron-fv310-crt/
I undid would I could remember but the biggest issue now is that it looks overly sharp and I believe it has to do with the SHPH, SHPL and SHPO settings.

>>4807950
What is a good small CRT TV I can get?

>>4808513
just picked up one of these, a 14" Toshiba 14AF44 for $15.
it's an impressive little thing, 3 composite, 1 s-video, and 1 component inputs, and even has headphone audio output.
shit's light too, but color will need tuning if it hasn't had that done before

>>4808513
How much are you willing to pay and what are you looking for from it?

If format support with price not being an issue, a 14L5. If portability, a Sony Watchman or similar portable monitor. If going for aesthetics, the KX-14CP1 and other monitors sharing its chassis is king for its size category. If something cheap to put on your desk, anything 14” or under on Craigslist.

>>4808210
Its a kv1311cr. All settings are physical knobs.

>>4807950
I just got a Sharp 32" CRT non-flat with component, s-video, and two composite inputs. It's label on the front of the set mentions component and MTS Stereo.

Didn't look that big and thought it was a 27" when I bought. Also weighs like a 27" meaning I can move it by my self which is surprising for a 32".

The "Picture" Setting was turned the entire way down making the screen black for everything but the menus. Turned that back up to max and everything looks perfect.

-Probably why I got the thing for free.

Anyone know anything about these sets?

>>4807950
What's preferred for CRT Displays? Tube Television. Front Projectors. Rear Projection.

Since I actually have all three maybe I should do a comparison, but my Sony CRT Projector needs a new green tube. Has a dark spot right in the middle.

I can tell you that Light Guns do not work on my Sony 60" Rear Projection CRT. Never tried them on the Front when I had it set up. Those things take up the space of a recliner if you don't have it attached to the ceiling.

>>4808531
Pretty sure I picked up the same model a few months back. The 14 inch CRT is underrated. My friend saw a 14 inch i'Art at a thrift store for five bucks and I told him to pick it up for me but he ended up liking it so much he kept it for himself, despite his talk about how TVs can never be too big and how he hates smaller screens.

>>4808686
That's odd. I've never seen a CRT where light gun games don't work.

>>4808725
>Rear Projection

My SNES Enforcers wouldn't work on it. They work fine on this Magnavox 21 Inch that I have.

I posted this in the fixes thread but figured I may as well post here. I run PS1 games over my PS2 and theres a pretty noticeable gap on the right side of the screen that's empty and I don't know what the issue is. Is the whole set just out of alignment? PS2 games fill the screen but actually appear to be too large as the bottom and top are cut off. If anyone has any ideas I'd appreciate it.

>>4808686
Tube TV > Front Projection >>>>>> Rear projection

Tube TV edges out over projector because of curved screen imo. Rear projection was a mistake.

>>4808725
Only original contained tube sets work with light guns. Projectors both rear and front lack actual screens, because, well- they're projectors.

>>4807957
>If anyone has suggestions

I'd honestly like to see a good guide on hacking the jungle chip to get rgb on tvs. I know there are guides out there but a centralized place would be nice.

>>4808531

I have the same TV, it's pretty great, factory settings for color are really bad, but you can dial it in really nicely without needing to go into service menu.

my screen has weird colors....... give it to me straight guys..... will my Trinni make it?

>>4808894
>buying a defective PVM
Unless you can fix it yourself, don’t. You’ll spend more time finding and paying a tech to repair it than buying a scalped working unit.

>>4808929
Surely there is plenty information leftover from the TV repairmen days?

>>4808947
all their last will say "Bury me with my knowledge"

>>4808503
>I read somewhere that RCA to BNC adapter quality could impact signal, where some cheaper adapters won't even display the signal. Could this be possible?
Easy way to check this would be to just wiggle the adapter around while it's plugged in to see if you ever get a connection at some point -- if nothing happens on-screen, then it's safe to assume that is not the issue

>>4807957
It would be cool to have a database by model/make/year with input info and pictures.

>>4808856
That has definitely been discussed, and something I'd like to actually poke a few of the people who have already done some work with that over on shmups on possibly contributing to; One big hurdle for it is simply the variety of different ICs and chassis out there that you could run into.

Finding the most common ICs, and even variations that the same info would apply to would probably be pretty high up on the list of things to do for that.
Still need to dip my toes in on doing one such mod myself, which I will do my best to document.

>>4809227
I agree completely; Something like that was what the Consumer Survey in the OP was supposed to do, but not only did it not really get much use but there's also no easy way for someone to properly access that info.

I've been sort of slacking on it, but been meaning to do almost exactly that with the US Sony models. Hardest part will likely be the photos, but much of the info can be had from the numerous manuals they still offer on their site. Just a matter of going through them and dropping the data into an excel doc or similar.

>>4808947
There's a complete service manual available online. Now for a rant;
I'm an electronics hobbyist. I build amplifiers and guitar pedals. I have soldering equipment and an oscilloscope. These monitors are built like space ships. My only hope of fixing them would be spotting something popped or burnt and replacing it.

based rca and their proprietary connectors

>>4809394
>composite and rf only
It hurts seeing those component and s-video ports unfilled

>>4808856
I second this

>>4809331
get on it fag

>>4808570
>kv1311cr
May have horizontal size as a variable inductor on the inside. Would theoretically also be possible to add one, but it'd affect linearity too if not done carefully.

>>4807950
they have 4 pvms stacked in my university lobby. Thought about asking the IT guy there if they had any left over ones.

>>4808412
is there really no reset function on these TVs?

>>4810391
They only "reset" to the last saved configuration. So if you save a fucked up setting, then that's it

>>4809394
I have one of those cables. What are they used for?

>>4810458
:S

- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
- CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
- CRTs always have easily-visible flicker
- CRTs always cause eyestrain
- CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise
- CRTs are harmful to health even when used properly
- CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged
- CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year
- Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels
- Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance
- Afterimages caused by phosphor decay are extremely annoying and are a significant downside of CRTs
- Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage
- CRTs cannot have touchscreens
- 4:3 is so bad that nobody should use a non-widescreen CRT
- The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
- Curved CRTs have objectively inferior picture quality versus flat CRTs with otherwise equal specifications
- CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs
- CRTs have severe reflections because they do not have matte coats
- CRTs can be permanently damaged by nearby magnets
- Analog signals limit a CRT's resolutions and refresh rates and negatively effect picture quality
- Heavy metals are used in CRT glass to reduce radiation

>>4810668

>>4810668

>>4810668

I think my m2mdu might be dying
anyone else ever have a pvm stop working?

Well anons, I've finally lost my mind completely and went out and purchased a CRT projector. For $60 I felt like I could not pass up the opportunity as it is not likely to come again soon. It's a NEC Multisync XG-1352LC.

http://www.curtpalme.com/PJSpecs_NEC.shtm

I underestimated the scale of this thing. It is truly gigantic. Even photos with men to scale doesn't really get across what a goliath of a thing this is. And I plan on using it in my bedroom. I will just barely be able to make the minimum throw distance it supports for a screen size of about 60 inches diagonally.

No photos of my unit yet, as it is still in the trunk and it is raining outside. But soon. I'll keep you all updated as to what this thing can do.

>>4811114
I had a Sony G90 projecting *maybe* 12 feet across my apartment living room. Good times.

>>4811226
What what I have read the minimum screen size is 60" and the minimum throw distance is 71". The place I was planning on mountain a screen is only 42" across, which would make for a 52" screen.

Do you think I could get away with projecting closer than the recommended distance?

So I acquired a 20L5. Have only played Dreamcast through s-video (no VGA yet) but BNC adapters will be here tomorrow so I can use component consoles. JSR and Power Stone look amazing but the whites look a little warm and not very pure. Are my eyes just used to modern displays? I cant wait to get my Wii hooked up tomorrow so I can run some Alien Soldier and McDonalds Treasure Land Adventure.

>>4808759
I had the same issue. This post explains it:
>>/vr/thread/S4724804#p4740741

>>4811241
I couldn't tell you anything specific about your projector, but it's ultimately a matter of whether the lenses can focus that close. The projection size you get also depends on how much you have to hem in the raster from any burn-in area. All that considered, it's easiest to just give it as much room as convenient, then just project onto a blank wall without borders

>>4811410
I previously considered an LCoS projector as an alternative to a CRT. Have you had any experience with those? The problem I have with them beyond other concerns is I bet they have severe input delay.

I don't know if this NEC projector will have any lag. I learn towards the hope it will not since it more like a PC Monitor than a HDTV.

>>4811419
Experience with LCoS? No, but they're like any other digital with respect to inputs. Your CRT projector shouldn't exhibit any particular lag. However, higher end projectors often have automatic built-in scalers, so you might not get simple 240p and obvious scan lines.

>>4811241
If room layout allows it could be possible to extend your throw distance with the projector pointing at a mirror rather than direct to the screen.

>>4811428
I'm prepared for it to not support true 240p. If that turns out to be the case I'll simply play in a window. I mean, it's a minimum 60 inch screen, so even windowed that would still be a pretty big screen if it were a direct view.

I'm actually more excited to be playing new games to be completely honest. 1600x1200 @100hz seems very promising.

>>4811574
I'm looking into that. It's basically how some rear projection televisions work isn't it?

>>4811591
You better take some damn pictures you hear anon?

>>4811596
Yep. Taking the mirror out of a rear projection set if you spot one cheap would be reasonable, you want a first surface mirror to avoid ghosting.

>>4810459
the original xbox

>>4812135
Good luck keeping a front surface mirror in any kind of usable condition when it's removed from its enclosure.

In any case, trying to reduce the throw distance of a projector by using a makeshift reflex system is a fool's errand. If you don't have the space to set up a CRT beamer appropriately then simply don't acquire one in the first place.

>>4810459
>>4812189
Yep. It's just YPbPr + audio in a single connector.

Is the RGB meme really so much better than s-video? I feel like I'm missing out as an American

>>4812301
The single greatest advantage of RGB (and component for that matter) is greater bandwidth for video, but that doesn't matter too much at 480i and below. S-video in my experience is similarly sharp to RGB, varying with implementation. Color accuracy is somewhat more spot-on due to not needing to decode a chroma signal like in s-video and composite. In summary, not worth going through a ton of trouble for

not enough pics in this thread baka
my PVM fits perfectly into this little plywood shelf so I'm going to make it into a miniature retropie arcade setup, wish me luck

>>4812542
>retropie
pls no, just use a PC

>>4812568
Yeah I'm running into a lot of trouble with the Gert VGA 666 configs.. I've also got one of those GeForce cards with the old drivers that let me set custom modelines, I'm probably going to end up using that instead. I like to tinker but I have my limits

>>4812301
Unless you're a huge videophile (See: this thread) no, it isn't. It would require a lot more effort (New cables, adapters, compatible monitors) to enjoy, so unless you're a huge A/V nerd, S-Video is a great alternative for those wishing to upgrade from the smeary world of composite. The jump from composite to S-Video is way bigger than the jump from S-Video to RGB.

>>4811114
That's small compared to my Sony.

>>4812704
Post photos

Measured my room today for the projector. I have 131 inches from wall to wall. Since the projector has a throw angle of 12.5 degrees I believe that means the throw distance will be 134 inches. So plenty of room for a good throw.

I've spent the day digging out space in my room. Have to move out a big shelf. I was maybe going to put an arcade cab there at some point this summer, but can't have everything.

>>4812987
>Since the projector has a throw angle of 12.5 degrees I believe that means the throw distance will be 134 inches
oops

forgot the projector itself is 32 inches long. So it's more like 100 inches to work with.

>>4812301
I recently upgraded from S-Video to RGB.
All of the improvement is in colors and shades, not sharpness. It's not really that noticable, but it's there.
The RGB cable did make a huge difference in the vertical line on my SNES, though.

>>4812301
It's mostly noticeable on colour edges especially things like black to red/blue, for colour S-video has an effective resolution of around 200TVL.

>>4812074
Oh I plan to. It may all end up being a fool's errand since I have read that LCoS projectors pretty much outclass CRT in every regard, but we'll see.

>>4813617
You're still getting the scaling lag and oddities like any other digital display, and contrast only gets near CRT like if you're very careful with room lighting and materials.

Would it be possible to hook up a laptop to a PVM using a cable like this (minus the H/V sync)?

Thoughts on BNC Cables?

>>4813821
Yes, but you would need to send the appropriate resolution to the PVM and most laptops have integrated GPUs that cannot send a 15khz signal.

A laptop with an Nvidia Quadro GPU is able to send 15khz video to a PVM via a cable just like that one. You will need to combine H+V sync with a t-connector if you use that cable.

>>4813825
They're excellent. Overall superior to everything else.

>>4813841
Do you know any sites that sell excellent bnc cables?

>>4813821
Yes. You do need the H/V sync, can usually just combine them with a BNC T connector.

>>4813970
Monoprice is fine.

>>4813981
Thank you sir

>>4813981
what t connection do you recommend?

>>4814416
just get the cheapest one bruh

Took some photos of the projector before I take it out of the car today. My car is a very large sedan and it barely fit in the trunk.

I guess this will be better lighting than I'll have in my bedroom so I ought to take some better photos now that I think about it.

So this is a long shot, but anyone know somebody who can set geometry on a PVM in the central Ohio area? I've got a PVM-20M4U with some bendy lines in the picture that are driving me nuts. Might need some caps too.

>>4814619
Also not asking for a freebie here as long as the fee isn't outrageous.

>>4814619
>Buying outdated high end tech you can't do simple maintenance on
Send it to me then kill yourself

HAs anyone had experiencies with scanline generators?

I've got an HD CRT which is all around pretty good, no input delay, plenty of connections, but no scanlines.

What would i need to do to get it going?

>>4814641
>What would i need to do to get it going?
A desktop PC with a DVI-I output and a decent GPU.

You could try to go with a scanline generator, but the PC will provide a better picture and is a lot cheaper.

>>4814645

I'm assuming you mean using the TV on a computer and just emulating games? If so, not interested, I'd like to use it on real hardware.

Also, I know it's no substitute to scanlines, but are there any settings on the service menu to help soften the image?

>>4814635
More like I want someone who knows what they're doing to set it up since they'll actually get it right.

>>4814529
My wall to work with is about 54" tall since I will be projecting from one side of the room to above my bed. I will try to make an image which is about 50" tall, 67.4" wide, and 84.25" diagonally. According to the setup manual I should not need to adjust projector height to do this assuming the "floor" is a table it will be sitting on across the room is a couple of inches shorter than my bed and the 12.5 degree angle will move the image up a little bit. My throw distance to work with is between 71" and 97" inches.

>>4814669
>XG85
I wasn't looking and posted the page for one of the other models. But it's pretty much the same thing. The XG-1352LC has a little farther necessary throw distance.

>>4814650
It would be helpful to learn, but I understand your situation. But you can still send it to me if you don't feel like it.

>>4814649
>are there any settings on the service menu to help soften the image?
Good grief man, sell it to someone who will actually use it right before you commit this madness.

>>4814619
>>4814635
I have a consumer CRT, how do you set the geometry on a PVM actually? They don't have service menus right? I might order one soon and it'd be helpful to know, I know about internally adjusting focus, convergence and purity but not what affects geometry.

Table was constructed. It's probably not the best effort as I am no good carpenter, but it will do the job. Projector was placed.

It is HEAVY. You seriously do not understand how fucking heavy and cumbersome this thing is.

>>4815069

>>4815086
Forgot to add text:

of course it is far out of focus and alignment. Now comes the long process of calibration.

>>4815086
looks blurry

>>4815097
>is far out of focus

>>4814883
Newer PVMs(mid 90s onward) have service menus for adjustment.
Older PVMs have potentiometers inside which control the same sorts of adjustments as the service menu would, just as analog physical adjustments rather than "digital" toggles.

>>4815069
You'll probably want to move that up higher in a more permanent setup.

>>4815109
It's pretty blurry

>>4815128
>You'll probably want to move that up higher in a more permanent setup.
It seems like the image covers the wall pretty well at this height. It is as low as I could get it while still projecting above my bed.

The thing about it is it just looks ridiculous in my room. Maybe my opinion will change some by tomorrow but if I had to give advice to anyone interested in these things: don't. Maybe if you had a huge garage, but for the inside of a house unless you have a dedicated home cinema just forget it. It is far, far too large.

My back is also very sore and I hope I have not messed it up moving the thing. This was sort of the end-stage of CRT obsession for me, a way to get it out of my system. I think I will set it up, experience it, and then give it away to someone else who has a better place for it. If you are interested in it Kya, it would be yours if you are close enough to come after it when I get done with it.

Does anyone know if a 20L5 can take 1080i or 720P through the component input? there's no option cards

>>4815210
The option cards aren't required for certain higher resolutions.

That is to say, yes, it supports both over Component.

So does any regular Dreamcast VGA box work well at outputting RGB, or is it necessary to spend loads on a Toro or something.

>>4815447
depends if your display supports 480p, because thats the only output you get on the dreamcast using vga.

>>4815128
>>4815187

Most CRT projectors are configured with the bottom of the display aligned with the bottom of the lenses, but you can fuck around with the scheimpflug so they're in the middle of the image. At the bottom is much more practical, obviously.

Well, it's a start. Yes, that is Lorca.

>>4815667
Does it not focus at the distance it's located at? You can look into the lenses (with or without sunglasses) and determine that it's the lenses and not the raster that needs to be focused, but the blur in your image is so bad that I can't imagine it being anything but the lenses

>>4815698
It's the lenses that need to be focused. It was previously set up for an 8' screen and mine is smaller. I will have to go and change some settings to get it to focus from about 100" away.

I played a round of Ghosts n' Goblins using MAME's rotate function (since the image is upside down right now from the previous owners ceiling installation). I detected no input lag at all. It felt just like playing on a PC CRT monitor.

>>4815698
Also I did look into the lenses when it was just the menu showing (no way I am looking in there when an video signal is connected) and everything is 100% perfect down in the lenses. So when I say that lens needs to be focused, I mean set up for the distance I have. The projector is working perfectly. It just needs focused and converged.

>>4815774
And it looks like I might have to track down a different remote for this projector because it appears I only have the "user" remote and you need the "technician" remote to access the installation type, focus, and convergence options.

SHIT

>>4815789
bought it off of ebay for $13. That was luck.

Just got myself a G225fB?
How did I do?

>>4816108
Really nice. Quality tube, quality maker, and high specs.

>>4815187
I'd certainly be interested, but one reason I haven't searched one out myself is due to the exact issue of space.

>>4816208
I do think there will be a rush on these things in a year or two as people realize their capabilities and a few people have fooled around with figuring out which ones are the easiest to set up and have shorter throw ranges. And if there is any merit to the idea of using a mirror to shorten the throw range.

Rather ironically (or perhaps not) it is the smallest and cheapest of the CRT projectors that /vr/ would be interested in. I saw one of them on ebay in the last year that looked like it could be carried by one person and sit on top of a conventional desk. It was probably very old and 15kz only, and maybe not even RGB, but it had a lot of potential.

Anyone in the Seattle-Tacoma area want a free 14" Toshiba CRT with composite, s-vid, and component? Thinning out my CRT stash.

>>4816998
>I have one of these I need to get rid of too
>I KNOW I will regret it because CRTs with component inputs will only rise in price as the years go by

>>4816108
>G225fB
>21" CRT monitor with 0.25mm pixel pitch
>30-130khz (max res 2048x1536)
>50-160hz
You did great, my friend. That is a top tier CRT monitor and hard to find in good condition these days. Do NOT let some idiot try to tell you it's not good for muh retro muh 240p because they have a misunderstanding or lack of knowledge on the subject. And of course it will be superb for games that support high resolution and frame rates.

Throw some modern games on there that support 4:3 ratio or can be modded/hacked to do so. I have played modded Dark Souls 3 on a monitor like that in 1600x1200 and it was the superior way to play the game with the extra vertical space provided by 4:3.

>>4817098
>>4816208
I'm so fucking happy right now, I paid only 37 dollars for it

Just found out my BVM D20F1U's tube has a short in it. Be careful carrying your CRTs around, guys.

>>4817207
ouch
hope you find some way to make it an organ donor

>1995
>basic tv with RF input

good times

should i buy this for 15 dollars? seller says it is a Mitsubishi brand that is 13 inch

>>4817592
if you don't already have a CRT, and you have consoles and cartridges laying around, then yes
I'd try to get it for less though, just to be a cheap bastard

>>4817607
>if you don't already have a CRT
true
>have consoles and cartridges laying around
not true
im looking for a smol one for watching Cardcaptor Sakura (not trolling)
will it be better to search for a pc monitor instead?

>>4817357

And Jurassic Park:Rampage Edition, to boot. I don't think life could get much better, really

>>4817627
I'm not an anime fan, but I've never been satisfied with watching dvds on a computer. It works but my dvd player looks way better even on a cheap crappy crt. Or just use like a PS3 on a hdtv.
If you're talking about vhs, then a sd crt is the only way.

Damn, I was playing on my pvm 20L2 and suddenly a brownout happened, the tv turned off and on immediately and I couldn't spot anything wrong but could some internal circuit be affected somehow, possibly causing an issue in the future? I know i am a retard for not using an ups but that's gonna have to wait until the next paycheck.

I'm kinda frustrated right now, if someone could tell me pvms cant get damaged by sudden power outage I'll be glad.

I had my first problem with my pvm2530 when I turned it in for first in almost a week the standby light lit up but it didn’t be turn on. I turned it off unplugged it and plugged it back in and it turned on like normal. I read somewhere else it can temperature sensitive which makes sense because it was a bit cold at the time. After moving recently I think the yolk go moved very slightly out of place and the horizontal and vertical geometry is also a bit off. I watched Steve nutters pvm2530 videos and he makes it look almost easy to fix all of this but I feel pretty nervous about trying it since all I can think about the chance of getting killed by it.

>>4818021
The chance of being killed by one of these things is apparently extremely slim as long as you follow the one-hand rule. For all the accounts of people being shocked by the things there don't seem to be many (if any) documented instances of anybody dying from the shock alone. I'd say nut up and give it a shot

>>4818021
>After moving recently I think the yolk go moved very slightly out of place and the horizontal and vertical geometry is also a bit off.
You are probably imagining it. These things are not that fragile. I have rotated PVMs over and over between horizontal and tate mode, and it wasn't always gently, and they still stayed as sharp as ever.

>>4815447
>or is it necessary to spend loads on a Toro or something
Pretty sure there are third-party SCART cables that can support 15kHz and 31kHz simultaneously that cost under $50

Just found out that raspi finally does 240p on composite video now (sdtv_mode=16)
Looks bretty good to me.

Too bad my first gen raspi modelb (256MB ram and all) is only fast enough for NES/SMS (not fast enough for SNES)

Best way to take a picture of a screen on a Galaxy phone? Shit is annoying to figure out.

>>4818546
It will look bad no matter what you do.
Should i buy svideo cable for snes/n64/gc?
Its the best the n64 can do, right?
I already have vga cable for dc.

>>4818513
NES isn't 240p. Decent for a first model raspi though.

>>4818612
>NES isn't 240p

>>4818625
he's right though. NES is 224p

>>4818640
NES always generates 256x240. It was up to developers to account for usable res due to overscan.
Some games use the entire 240 space

Should I use my ld player on my SD or hd (widescreen) crt

>>4818740
Whichever looks better to you

>>4818740
I would say SD considering LD is low res and composite only. The sets were basically made for those exact specs, the HD set isn't that great at scaling.

>>4818745
Thanks
>>4818753
I'll do this

Anyone know how to reduce crosstalk? Here's a pvm in Godzilla for relevancy.

Anyone try this on a CRT? I have an HDMI > VGA adapter I'd use, but I admit I'm turned off by the lack of 240p / analog output for a proper 15khz display. But I bet it would look nice on a monitor, like about as good as an emulator looks, lol. AVS also outputs in widescreen with black bars, it's obviously not really made for this. It's either this or the expensive nesrgb mod, and I can't solder. Maybe I'll just live with dot crawl forever.

>>4818907
why can't you young faggots just learn how to use a god damned computer instead of fucking around with every stupid little gadget like this

>>4818565
it's very easy to rgb mod an n64.

What model is the white one on the bottom? Also is it worth getting one of the other ones for s-video SNES/n64/ps2 etc?

>>4820349
It's a PVM 1271Q or a CVM 1271.

long term lurker but having trouble finding something decent.

I've seen a few people with Toshiba sets around here and pic related is relatively close by.

I just wondered if anyone knew what model this is so i could find out what hookups it has.

sorry about the shit photo, only one provided unfortunately

wondered if anyone had any feedback on this toshiba 14n21bs. think i've seen someone with this exact model on here before

>>4814525
not sure why americans fell for the saloon meme.

that would fit easily in my hatchback which is probably half the length, seats the same number and corners better

just got this comfy space command zenith tv, rf only, what exactly is happening in this picture and how much of a pain in the ass will it be to correct it?

>>4820737
Screen voltage is set too high. Something has jolted this CRT in the past, or it has a failing component. You can attempt to open the back and turn down the knob labeled SCREEN and it may help.

You dumb fuckers need to realize that just because it is a CRT doesn't automatically mean it is good.

>>4820762
inb4 kids start paying $200 for a heavily used, WalMart-tier 12" TV with built in VHS.

>>4820762
>>4820771
I wince every time I see "Retro Gaming" in the title for a CRT listing.

Dell Trinitron spotted. Is it safe to assume this is high end? I don't think Dell would buy Trinitron rights for a junker tube

>>4820771
Ive got 2, 350$ for the lot ;)

What are the best settings for CRT Royale in Retroarch for a 144Hz 1440p monitor?

>>4820896
The garbage

>>4820865
Might have that brightness issue all Trinis of that era had. Either you mod it or use WinDAS if you can find/build a cable.

>>4813821
>>4813841

Yes, but you need sync. And you need to get 15kHz out of the VGA port on the laptop, if it's a normal 15kHz PVM. Linux works, but if you use Linux you don't need help. For windows, ignore the anon talking about Quadro cards. They mostly work, sort of, but a laptop with a suitable Radeon mobility card compatible with crt_emudriver 2.0 is a much, -much- better option. Not to mention a shitload easier and faster. And it can give you composite sync out of the computer, so a VGA-to-4BNC cable will also work. Either way you won't have to combine sync and won't need the T-connector. And crt_emudriver is required for GroovyMAME, which is godlike for CRT's. Google for more infos, or try the link below.

https://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/87668-A-guide-to-connecting-your-Windows-PC-to-an-SD-CRT-TV-PVM-or-Arcade-Monitor

>>4818108
>>4818021
What this anon said. But this PVM has all the geometry and some convergence adjustments on the D2 and D3 boards. You want a thin/jewellers screwdriver of either type. Google the service manual of the 2530 or 2730 - they're the same set in different regions, and the geometry and convergence adjustments are detailed in there. Just remember you're not doing the setup from scratch, only those two boards (D2 and D3) and the HStat/HVR (The knob on the big red/orange block on the back of the shielding around the tube). Personally i would look up how to discharge a tube, but don't actually do it - just wave your lead around and under the orange Hstat block while the set is running to check for any small coronal leakage. If nothing happens then, you'll be fine.

>>4818494
>there are third-party SCART cables that can support 15kHz and 31kHz simultaneously
wut?

>>4820956
>Linux works, but if you use Linux you don't need help.
What a terrible statement. Plenty of people would want to use Linux who don't know how to create a custom modeline. It sounds to me like the author wrote that because he just didn't know how to do it himself.

>>4820929
>if you can find/build a cable
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DJUHGHI/

>>4820865
That is a Dell P1110 and yes it is a high end Trinitron and you should get it if you can, brightness issue or no.

>>4820956
Quadro's aren't locked out of resolutions like Geforce. You don't even need a special driver, just create a modeline in Nvidia control panel and go.

>>4820956
>>4818021
Just looks up Jason Nutter as well. Haven't watched through his first 2030 vid completely, but that set doesn't have the D2 convergence board and might not have an equivalent of the separate D3 geometry board either. And the HStat is meant to be adjusted while it's running and on the 2530/2730 is easy to get to.

There's much more room inside the bigger sets, not that i would want to have to adjust the yoke or convergence rings live without folding out the B and D boards on the side.

>>4820865
I used to have the same monitor, I got rid of it and miss it every day now.
I used to play Halo 1 and San Andreas on it all the time

>>4819690
Will an RGB modded N64 have a noticeable increase in quality over s-video on a consumer CRT? I'm thinking about doing this so I can pair it with HDretrovision cables

>>4820968
>It sounds to me like the author wrote that because he just didn't know how to do it himself.
If you jump into Linux and you're not able to help yourself, I would argue it's probably not the best place to start. Feel free to write your own guide though :)

>>4820980
You're not wrong, now, but older model Quadro's need you to write/convert an EDID (because they don't use one in regular format). And they're nice and glitchy and sensitive to timings and the way they refresh. Newer ones might be a bit easier to work with, I'll grant you. But either way, a compatible Radeon card is a shitload better because it can use crt_emudriver, VMM, ArcadeOSD and GroovyMAME.

>>4821025
>If you jump into Linux and you're not able to help yourself, I would argue it's probably not the best place to start.
This is circular logic. How are you going to help yourself if there are no resources to help you?

The basic gist for getting 15khz to work in Linux is

>learn about xrandr and cvt
>use cvt to generate a modeline in the resolution and fresh rate you desire
>plug this modeline into xrandr and a newmode
>use xrandr again to add the newmode to a particular output (probably VGA-0 DVI-1)
>select that mode in your emulator of choice or create custom configuration files in retroarch, or use it as your desktop resolution
>to make permanent changes exit xorg.conf to reflect the newmode

>>4820757
Is it safe?

>>4820857
oof very nice

Very dumb question.
Will unplugging my crt while off and not in use effect it in any way? Anything I find online results in cautions about opening one.
I just want to know if I can save some power and preserve it's lifespan as long as possible.

>>4821304
No. I have my CRTs (And consoles) all hooked up to a power switch which I power off when not in use. Unplugging will not do anything, so if you want to save vampire electricity, feel free to do so.

>TFW the Sony emblem you ordered is a few cm too small

>>4820857
fuck off with your spoiler bullshit

>>4821304
For old old old consumer TVs, they would always say that if a TV sat for too long unplugged, it was bad to plug it straight back in. You were supposed to plug them into a variac to "reform the capacitors"

On PVMs, who knows. If it's not in the manual, don't worry about it.

>>4820737
>>4820757
Any second opinions on this? I wanna fix it but don't wanna die

I have a Sony trinitron with component input I want to connect a pc to. Would this cable work for that? Or do I need some kind of box. It's a later model trinitron but not hd ready and no hdmi or anything like that. Thanks for any help guys

>>4822037
You'll need a transcoder, and a way to make your video card output an SD resolution.

What's your video card?
what are you planning to use it for?

>>4822037
example transcoder https://www.ebay.com/itm/VGA-to-Component-Transcoder-Retrotek-VGACTV1/192116647418?hash=item2cbb0b65fa:g:3TcAAOSwB-1YtmUY

>>4821873
Looks like the left hand side is pretty much okay correct?

I'd say it needs a full recap on the tube drive circuitry.

Got this for free from someones trash howd i do

Projector Update:

I got the service remote in today, and as soon as I tried to enter the adjustments menu I was asked for a passcode. This induced a mild panic, but it was quickly alleviated when a simple google search revealed the universal pass code is 3151. With that I was able to go through the blurry, misconverged, upside down menus and set the projector the correct orientation. So now I have a blurry, misconverged, but right-side-up image.

The next step I am not sure of. Either focus, convergence, or changing the screen size setting. Have to do more reading.

>>4822181
After doing a bit of reading it looks like I am opening the projector and doing manual focus adjustment at this point.

When the screen changes (most noticeable when scrolling) parts of the screen get slightly dimmer or brighter. Is this a cable issue or a TV issue?

/vr/, what do I need to play Dreamcast with VGA on a CRT TV? How does a VGA box work? Should i bother getting a CRT PC monitor just for the DC alone?

>>4822189
Well I opened the projector and adjusted the projection angle, focused the lenses, and swapped polarity of the image (I was getting a mirrored image).

So now I have a decently in focus normal image that is completely out of focus and geometry. Pics coming soon as I get the next step done.

>>4822295
Just use composite lol. Not all games can even support VGA mode.

>>4822295
A Dreamcast over VGA isn't going to work on a CRT TV. Your options for that are either Composite, S-Video, or RGB (SCART) if you're in Europe/have a transcoder. If you interested in playing a lot of Dreamcast stuff, I'd say picking up even just a cheap PC CRT would definitely be worth it. A VGA Box grounds a few of the contacts on the DC's video connector to switch the console into VGA mode, and includes a few components inline on a few of the signals the console is outputting to bring them into spec/etc. The cheapo ~$15 cables -technically- work, but the quality they provide is poor. Either getting a box or having the console modded to have a VGA connector and a switch would offer better picture quality.

Depending on the games you're interested in playing, and the PC CRT in question, you could also use it (relatively) easily with a PS2 for 480p titles.

>>4822504
I'd at the very least use S-Video. Everything is going to support standard mode, which is CVid and SVid.

That said, DC still has rather high VGA compatibility. Of all the titles put out in english(294, not including some later indie releases), ~84% (247) support it natively, and 95%(278) if you include games that can be patched for VGA support; That leaves you with 16 or so which are stuck without support.

>>4820349
Ask to see the front of the white one. If there’s no other buttons on the right of the control panel with power, it’s most likely a medical variant PVM-1270/1271Q. Otherwise it’s most likely a CVM-1271.

Ask to see the back of it if you can, since $100 for the monitor if it’s a PVM isn’t bad at all since IIRC the tubes are rated at 600 TVL and the only better-looking PVMs than the 127X series are rarer than hen’s teeth.

>>4822051
>>4822061
thank you for the link! im going to use a dvi adapter with a radeon 7970 since thats what my pc has. itll be for emulating pretty much; mame, snes, genesis etc. e

>>4822814
If you want a cheap way into emulation for systems of that era consider just picking up a Wii.

>>4821023
nah. there's an upcoming rgb+deblur mod but that's gonna be fairly expensive. Unless you can get additional utility out of the hdretrovision cables like snes, avfamicom or GC, I don't think it's worth moving beyond s-video for the n64. You also have to make sure you've got a supported model iirc. Check the motherboard and see if you have the necessary through-holes to use.

- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
- CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
- CRTs always have easily-visible flicker
- CRTs always cause eyestrain
- CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise
- CRTs are harmful to health even when used properly
- CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged
- CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year
- Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels
- Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance
- Afterimages caused by phosphor decay are extremely annoying and are a significant downside of CRTs
- Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage
- CRTs cannot have touchscreens
- 4:3 is so bad that nobody should use a non-widescreen CRT
- The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
- Curved CRTs have objectively inferior picture quality versus flat CRTs with otherwise equal specifications
- CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs
- CRTs have severe reflections because they do not have matte coats
- CRTs can be permanently damaged by nearby magnets
- Analog signals limit a CRT's resolutions and refresh rates and negatively effect picture quality
- Heavy metals are used in CRT glass to reduce radiation

>>4823142
See >>4810692

>>4823148
based

I had a really good time using a CRT to play retro games on a PS2 at a relative's household. It had such bold fucking colors, and the sprites' patterns felt like an arcade and shit. But they had to throw it out, and I didn't have nearly the space for it. I really miss that thing. I do have a CRT but there's no point in setting it up when it doesn't outclass the HDTV for much.

If I had the space I would get a nice fucking CRT TV, get that fucking converter box, and watch them old channels. I think the glass is just better for you than LCD. Much cozier and stuff.

Thoughts? I guess it's a little small. But it's not extremely expensive like everything on ebay...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PVM-8040-Trinitron-8-Color-Surveillance-CRT-Monitor-Screen-Jitter/151851312055?epid=1803924877&hash=itehttps://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PVM-8040-Trinitron-8-Color-Surveillance-CRT-Monitor-Screen-Jitter/151851312055?epid=1803924877&hash=item235b0b23b7:g:zUIAAOSwU~FWDwyhm235b0b23b7:g:zUIAAOSwU~FWDwyh

>>4823280
No, imo 8 is too small and it doesn’t have rgb and it’s a for parts/not working model.

Thoughts? It's a little small but it's not too expensive. Everything on eBay is expensive... Ignore my last post, it was the wrong listing. $49.99 + $23.23 shipping = 73.22.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-Trinitron-PVM-9L1-9-Color-Video-Monitor-Tested/163083141292?hash=item25f88340ac:g:AlkAAOSw3FBbFrVK

>>4823142
OK, but why we can't have 480p SD Plasma TV?

>>4823403
You should emulate with runahead :-)

>>4823280
why deleted?

>>4823403
>480p SD
No such thing, it's ED. Is that a Pioneer or Hantarex?

Anyhow I feel a decent 720p plasma is a better bet, later panels had much, much much better black levels...even surpassing CRTs if that isn't blasphemous talk around here.

>>4823142
>CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs

CRT's have more vibrant colours and better black levels than any LCD and they can produce a native resolution every time where as LCD's always upscale resulting in inferior picture quality.

They aren't produced anymore because LCD's are cheaper to produce and are aesthetically more pleasing to the consumer. That's it.

>CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation

The X ray radiation is minuscule. If it were really a problem you would have had people becoming ill everywhere in the 20th century. As for the electromagnetic radiation, this is only a problem if you sit right in front of it. EMR drops considerably with distance and at a distance of 4 to 5 feet from a 21 inch CRT TV you are either out of the field or at the very least in the lower part of it. Playng a video game for a couple of hours from a few feet would do nothing to the individual. CRT PC monitors are the only ones I would not get as they are so small you have sit right next to it.

>CRTs always have easily-visible flicker

Not everyone is sensitive to it. Though I admit it sucks if you are. This also goes for the sqealing noise.

>CRTs always cause eyestrain

If you stare at anything for long periods of time including very small text and any bright screen your eyes will strain.

>CRTs are harmful to health even when used properly

How?

>CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged

True. But unless someone takes the cover off and starts messing around without discharging it's not going to hurt anybody.

>CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year

Which ones? I've never heard of CRT's needing this much calibration.

>Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance

LCD's have far more processing going on in the background than any CRT. That's the reason why CRT's don't have input lag on them.

>>4823142
This is all so deliberately wrong I don't know how there are people here that think you're being genuine

>>4823482
Current GPUs lag when outputting analog because no one uses it so why bother making it werk gud?

>>4823486

https://www.reddit.com/r/GloriousCRTMasterRace/wiki/misconceptions

nice

>>4823491
>CRTs are no longer made due to consumers' ignorance and disregard of picture quality.
wew

I may have finally hit my lucky break. Through a super friendly dude I found a studio with a few 14" PVMs sitting in their warehouse. They're giving them both to me for free if I come and pick them up myself. I don't know anything about their condition but they don't look half bad in the pic.

Does anyone happen to know what models these are?

>>4824619
Looks to be a pair of 14M2Us or 14M4Us. Nice haul.

>>4824657
M4U, look at the HR trinitron

What cleaning solution should I use to remove the anti-glare coating on my monitor? It was coming of in spots so I'm trying to just remove it all, but some of it is very resistant to just soap and water

This thing is fucking huge

>>4824984
Mmmm, very nice

>>4824984
It's decent sized. You ain't seen the real big boi monitors yet.

More shaders on PC CRT monitor. Any blurriness is due to my shaky hands. In person it is razor sharp. I am convinced now that on a smaller sized 15" or below monitor you would not be able to tell any difference between this and real scanlines if you were sitting more than a couple of feet away. Anons who are settling for 14" PVMs may want to consider looking around for a small PC monitor if they can find one. Tricky this is 15" and smaller monitors were pretty uncommon past the mid 90s.

>>4824972
try isopropyl

When you really get down to it what are scanlines anyway? They're the space between lines of pixels drawn on the screen. To be specific most people use the term the wrong way. The lines of pixels are the scanlines, not the black space.

Basically: more TV lines in a monitor/finer pitch + lower resolution = thicker black lines.

There's nothing special about that black space. It's just space skipped over by the raster as it is being drawn. When one uses software scanlines they are simply programming the scanning electron guns to pass over that space. Just as it would be in hardware scanlines. The trick is getting the ratio of black space to drawn lines right, and in the case of using software scanlines on a CRT monitor that will have hardware scanlines you have to make sure they don't interfere with one another. You want them to not overlap in an unsightly manner, and you don't want them to add up to the wrong amount of black space.

I think with software scanlines you want to push the resolution of the monitor as far to the limit of the pitch as possible. This will ensure as much of the screen as possible is being covered by pixels (and thus less black space) before you apply your software scanlines. At 1600x1200 the distance between hardware pixel lines is very, very small. Small enough you can put your eyeball right up to the screen and have a hard time discerning any scanlines. Even in camera zoom-ins it is difficult. So they stop being an issue.

From there adding in the appropriate amount of black is up to you. I add less black than when my monitor is in true 240p120hz mode because I prefer to emulate the look of a coarser pitch CRT.

Of course, there's more to it all than just black lines. The lines of pixels are emulated as well. They are not just plain straight lines. The beam width is variable. But that's another post.
>I know this NES palette is wrong but I like the feel of it.

>>4825101
also: "lines of pixels" isn't even a very accurate term. It's a signal that varies in intensity.

Just RGB modded an N64 for the first time, The picture is extremely underwhelming.

>>4823439
>even surpassing CRTs if that isn't blasphemous talk around here.
It isn't. People in this thread actually like all kinds of display technology. CRTs are good for many things, not so good for others.

>>4825112
Are you sure you are sending the right voltage level over your RGB lines?

>>4825118
Yep, everything is fine. The games just aren't very pretty.

>>4825123
Play Pilotwings 64.

>>4825131
when I bring it in to my shop tomorrow I'll load up a few different things. N64 just got bumped way down on my systems to get list tho.

>need a corner wall mount platform for CRT monitor
>google around
>everything listed on amazon is sold out or not actually for CRTs
>sanus advertises having them, but all sold out or discontinued
>wayfair asked for captcha just to SEE the fucking site, then google decided "too many captchas for U!" and blocked me, so I can't even look
>alibaba claims to have some chink CRT wall mounts, every one I check is actually a fucking LCD wall mount
Is the only solution to build your own, or does anyone still make and sell corner wall mounts for CRTs?

>>4825112
>Just RGB modded an N64 for the first time,

What mod? N64 is probably the least impressive system to RGB mod. I did the "N64 Basic RGB Mod - DIY RGB Amp" mainly so I could hook it up to my PVM, it's slightly better than with a good set of S-Video cables, but it's really underwhelming.

>>4825163
nobody makes or sells CRTs so why would they still sell accessories for them?
you might want to try looking for a used one that comes with an old TV

I have a PVM 2044qm.
How can I hook up a pair of nice speakers to it?
My consoles (Wii and ps2) have component cables and I just plug the audio cables directly to the back of my current speakers.
But I want to know if there's any other option.

>>4825727
You are using the best option right now.

Almost all PVMs are set up to pass though mono audio only so you may as well bypass it completely.

>>4825163
I tought IKEA had them

>>4825907
Good to know, then I might as well buy a longer connection cable so I don't have to stretch it that much.

Where do i buy a PVM ?

:(

>>4825169
I used Voultars. Maybe the upcoming RGB+Deblur will be good but I get the feeling it's gonna be seriously expensive and not very impressive.

Is it advisable to put your consoles on top of your CRT? I would like to bring the big bugger up into my bedroom but to fit it I would need to put my systems on top on the television and have the controllers go through the sides. I'm mainly worried the heat would harm it. If it matters this would be used for the snes, ps2, n64, and maybe a dreamcast/genesis in the future.

>>4826021
its the perfect place for consoles to fall off from and break.

>>4826025
Is there anything else? I'll be taking this into consideration especially with controller length in mind but I'm thinking I could have it snug against the sides of the entertainment center. My main concerns with this question was heat and radiation hurting my consoles

>>4825938
You don't. Not unless you want to pay out the ass for shipping.

>>4825938
Don't fall for the PVMeme. They are great monitors, but they aren't the only option. Look at other brands of professional monitors (NEC, JVC, Panasonic, etc) . There's also several options for consumer monitors that were sold in the US that support 15 kHz RGB. Amiga, Apple, Commodore, and Hantarex to name a few. Here's a link with a bunch of different models you can look at http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/CategoryList.aspx?id=26

And if you can't find anything that supports RGB just get a high quality consumer TV with a RGB to component transcoder.

>>4826114
OEV are also an option. Some are rebranded PMV and it generally less than PMV. I payed less than half for my OEV203 and it's a rebranded PVM-20M2MDU

new SCART switchers when

>>4826424
Just get Bandridge dude.

>>4826424
It's called plugging one console in at a time.

>>4826694
I wonder if the gameboy LCD will be a fad.

>>4826694
is that a megaview or sumthin

They're here

>>4826712
Yes

If you have more than one CRT you are a hoarder and you have a mental illness.

>>4826712
my unicorn

Progress is being made on the projector. It is slow and there is still a long ways to go. I have put up this white board as a temporary screen.

>>4826747
If you don't have a backup or at least two CRTs at different sizes for the practicality of it then I'm loling at you friend

>>4826747
>Buy 6
>Put into middle of room
>Put a board over them
>Put a tablecloth over them

>>4825947
you can turn off some of the deblur with a gameshark if you have one, everdrive might work as you can enter some codes. might be worth testing out to see where your preferences lie. Aside from the texture AF, it looks much like PS1.

>>4826747
>If you have more than one CRT you are a hoarder and you have a mental illness.

I have 13 counting the two old crt computer monitors that I kept from old computers but don't use.

I just got my hands on an NEC XM29 but it has no remote.

Will a Logitech Harmony universal remote work with it?

>>4826914
Well, I worked on the projector some more tonight. Didn't take photos, sorry. I added sheets of white paper around my screen to fill it out a bit more.

I have adjusted
>angle of degree
>manual focus
>manual convergence
>digital center focus
> digital edge focus
>digital convergence
>digital geometry
>many kinds of geometry convergence options

And the result I get is an image that is still not very focused beyond the very center of the screen, and has massive convergence issues on the sides.

I think I might be about done with this thing. ANY small movement of the projector will ruin all settings. ANY change of resolution will ruin all settings. You can copy settings from one resolution to another but it doesn't preserve picture quality. It has to be converged again.

Watching some video on it I can see the potential there. I can see the amazing black and flesh tones these things are known for.

But I've read some of curtpalme.com and seen how insane some of the guys there are. They are still tinkering with their CRT projectors DECADES down the line. I can see how far this rabbit hole goes. I've been down other ones and I don't think I want to go down this one.

Still, I'm glad I went as far as I did.

If you get one of these you MUST permanently mount it. Putting it on a table is not good enough. It must be anchored to the floor or ceiling. And you probably want to pick one or two resolutions and stick to them. Even though this is a multisync projector it is not like a multisync PC monitor in the sense you can change resolutions and then adjust geometry in a span of a minute. Everything is painstaking here.

I've seen some comments here and there that these things might become sought after or collectible in the future. lol. Not. a. chance. in. hell.

>>4827163
Also I will add that I think maybe some of the CRT components may have been damaged or knocked out of alignment during the ride home. I may have to find the FOCUS control on each CRT and adjust that one. Some of the bad focus has the look to me of something that is electrical in nature, rather than optical.

>>4827161
Whatever you do do NOT activate the option in the menu that turns off the front control panel. If you do you won't be able to get it back without a remote.

What's a good computer CRT monitor I can use? I have one now but it only does 1024x768@85hz and can scale up to 1280x1024@60hz. I'm just looking for a bit more resolution with at least 85hz refresh rate.

>>4826914
Damn, this is looking really good and a major improvement!

>>4827251
Have you checked what's available in your area?

>>4827251

Yeah but it's very wild westish. No decent old computer part store or anything like that around where I live. Some shit shows up on craigslist here and there, but it's usually without details on the model plus i've been burned on that site before so I am hesitant. Especially when it comes to electronics.

Recently got a Japanese Saturn from a friend with a small handful if games and I'm wanting to tate my 20" crt for Dodonpachi.

I've read that it's a good idea to keep it unplugged for 10 minutes, rotate it, and leave it unplugged for another 10 minutes before turning it on, but will this damage my set at all if I rotate back and forth semi-often?

I have a Sony Trinitron Monitor (not a PVM unfortunately) That only has ports for BNC cables and VGA. My graphics card only accepts HDMI & DVI. Currently I use a BNC to VGA cable that goes into a VGA to DVI converter on my PC. What is the optimal way to connect my monitor to my PC for the best quality?

>>4827292
>What is the optimal way to connect my monitor to my PC for the best quality?
You're already using it.

>>4827293
Thanks. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.

>>4827294
I'm curious DVI-D Or DVI-I?

>>4808531
i have the same one but i can't access the input channel, only with the control which don't have, it sucks

>>4827462
logitech harmony universal remotes are compatible with it.
https://support.myharmony.com/en-us/compatibility

What is this cable? why does it seem to have an extra connection in addition to the rgb and sync? Will it carry a signal both ways or just one way?

Is an IBM P97 worthwhile?

>>4827163
You just don't know how to set it up. There's a general video guide for setup on Palme's site, and you need to go through the setup steps in the installer's manual, in order, no exceptions. It sounds like your lens corner focus is fucked, and you don't know how to use zone convergence. Might as well default all your settings and try again. There are a lot of steps, but they aren't impossible to set up. I set mine up for the first time in about 3 hours over 2 nights.

I need to get a proper stand for this, yes I know it's an HD CRT but the picture is great, I got it for free, and it has less than average latency according to 240 suite. I like it

Playing c.t.r. on this Sony Trinitron CTR i just stumbled across.

>>4827736
>All those Metroid amiibos
You're alright in my book my dude. Also, I tend to not care what other people say about CRTs on here, there's no pleasing them.

>>4827698
Post pics of the plug ends.

>>4827713
It's pretty sweet. Trinitron, nice high 107kHz max horizontal refresh.

>>4827698
It's VGA to RGBHV i.e it has two sync lines, horizontal and vertical.

>>4827487
>14AF44
thanks famalam

>>4827721
>You just don't know how to set it up.
You were right. I didn't know about the zone convergence. Using it I was able to get convergence which is about equal to that you would see on a common rear projection television (not that great). But that was with only about 10 minutes of convergence correction.

So now... back to the drawing board. Start over. Do it right. I did find some more guides on avsforum and curtpalme that I had not seen before, and those will help too.

Just more time, more adjustments. Getting a better picture each night.

>>4817592
i have the 26" of that and its godlike

>>4820712
I have this its awesome for nes

why aren't you watching e3 on your crt

>>4828181
I wouldnt want modern western games industry to fuck up my crts purity

>>4822171
is that 4:3? I can't tell.

If so, you did great.

HELP

>>4827345
My GPU accepts both in dual link. Currently, my converter goes to DVI-I

>>4827161
Shit that's my dream CRT. How'd you manage to get it?
Also sometimes just the remotes show up on ebay.

>>4828448
What are you what? Tube swapping?

>>4828448
damn you're in deep
is one of them a cadaver?

>>4828448
It's aliiiiiiiive!

>>4828469
>>4828479
Two nonfunctional doner sets

>>4807950
>scanlines

Nice shoop. Everyone knows scanlines aren't real. I used a CRT as a kid and I never once saw a scanline.

>>4828818
nice. now you're gonna be calibrating for a while. better get familiar with that service manual.

>>4828836
I remember going over to another kids house and seeing a Trinitron for the first time and asking "why does it have those lines?" and their dad got defensive about it.

>>4828818

Damn dude, one of the most impressive things I've seen in a crt thread for a long time.

Any of you guys around FL saint cloud that wants a panasonic ct-27sx12f? Got a PVM and I want to help another anon out

>>4828818
As a dude that has torn those apart before. I don't want to be you for the next few days. I hate calibrating. I always need it perfect.

>>4827736
HD crt sets actually have equal lowest delay to every other CRT. The issue is that it can fluctuate depending on content/port. Some of the HD sets can go from 1µs to 40ms. Where as most PVMs and pc CRTs are 1µs to 50µs (with some PVMs even having up to 10ms of delay for interlaced content).

Most likely you will never notice it. It is well researched and people just like to bitch.

>>4829074
>some PVMs
which ones?

>>4829074

Unfortunately some (most?) don't have scanlines. I've gotten a beautiful Trinitron XBR 34 HD CRT a while ago, and it's awesome but it doesn't have scanlines, broke my heart. It's still sitting around here.

>>4829089
The most notable was Sony PVM20M7MDE.

It does some weird frame doubling that introduces a 8-10ms delay. This is only true for 480i content, as all other formats were 1-50µs.

This specific model is not unique to this issue either. It was just the first one talked about as I think it had something to do with smash tournaments or something. Required a $600 Rigol Oscilloscope to notice this too.

>>4829097
I suppose it is possible some HD sets do have "thicc" pixels or scanlines. But the real reason a person would use the HDCRT is cross compatibility into ps3/360/wii territory with one set with the least amount of delay.

>>4829112
Probably should elaborate why some PVMs do this with specific content. Also why it can be more than 8.3ms too.

The buffer waits for the next frame to be ready before showing you the end of the previous one, but only needs to wait for half of it since that is all that is drawn for a "full" frame with interlaced content. Half a full frame is 8.3ms at 60hz.

Why would it ever be more with PVM/BVM or pro sets? Also why could it be more with 2005+ CRTs or specific HD CRTs? Sometimes the buffer would wait for a third interlaced frame to be started before showing you the current one. So you would get 24.9ms of delay for 1.5 frames of inspection... OR 33.2ms OR 41.5ms for 2 or 2.5 frames of inspection. This is why some HD CRT sets report 1-50µs for their lowest, but their max is 8-42ms, as with non progressive content it does some crazy 1.5-2.5 frame inspection to make it look better.

>>4828137
short video of the projector working. I have completed a basic set-up, and I know the methodology now so it is just a matter of doing the work to bring out the best I can with it.

However, I believe I must rein in my expectations. After more research about this kind of projector I've found that it was a subject of debate on whether it could properly resolve 1080p at all, nothing close to the 2500x2000 it lists as a maximum theoretical resolution. Right now I am running 1024x768 since it was easy to work with and looked the best starting off. I believe 1280x960 should be possible, however I may run into the limitations of my kludged screen.

>>4829134

Lookin pretty good anon.

>>4829262
I got it quite a bit better than this later after I realized I had completely missed an option that let you select which zone of the screen to focus within inside of one of the controls that already targeted a specific area. This projector allows extremely fine control over the image, it's just a matter of me taking advantage of it.

At this point I would say the image is fully resolving the 1024x768 across the whole screen (I can see pixelization). Now to try higher and lower resolutions. Native 240p should be possible with this unit.

>>4829134
It's usually recommended that projectors in that range either be ran at 720p or 1080i. Try both, and see what looks best to you. CRTs do interlaced scan with a fairly small amount of flicker, and you shouldn't experience weird motion tearing in quite the same way you would on an LCD, so it isn't necessarily a compromise. Mine has the bandwidth for considerably over 1080p, but less than anything near 4k, so it stays at 1080p.

>>4829370
More advanced later projectors, possibly yours, have built-in scalers that exist solely to eliminate underscan and overscan to fill the raster. I found out my unit did that, but it's not a big deal because i'd rather play on a conventional CRT, and save the projector for movies and TV.

I was doing final adjustments to the projector image today and got focus about as good as it is going to get across all three colors. This too a long time, about hour by itself of moving patterns around and adjusting back and forth. When it was done I could see scanlines across the whole screen.

Then I stored my settings and was moving on to correcting the convergence to finish things up and the remote stopped working -_-

I have no idea what happened. I don't believe I pushed any strange buttons to disable it, and I can't even find any reference to being able to do that. A few buttons still work, such as power on and off, static convergence, and pic mute, but everything else does nothing.

I think I will take a walk outside for a while -_-

>>4830206
also I checked changing the batteries across several batteries and put new ones in it, so I don't think it is that.

>>4830210
Is there a service menu code you have to enter to change some settings? Mine locks you out of most things until you enter the right mode.

>>4830356
There is, and I was using that just fine. But now there's no OSD or anything. rear of the projector buttons don't do anything either.

>>4830359
But it powers on, displays video, and some of the buttons on the remote still work? What model do you have again?

>>4830362
NEC XG-1351LC

>>4830507
I figured it out. Page 98 of the manual.
>NOTE: Pressing DISPLAY with CTL will select the non on-screen
mode; pressing DISPLAY with CTL again will cancel this mode.
>Even if the on-screen display may be turned off with CTL and
DISPLAY, any adjustment will still change the projector’s memory
settings.
And guess what? I probably fucked up all my settings mashing on buttons on the remote control so now I have to start all over again.

>>4830518
I'm sure you're getting REAL QUICK at setting up now.

Left: 36 inch trinitron
Right: 40 inch Mitsubishi Diamond

>>4830796
make 'em display the same thing

>>4830838
How? Y splitter?

>>4830796
Photos tend to not do CRTs justice

>>4830519
I didn't have to redo a whole lot, but I did go through and get near-perfect convergence after I started again. And yes, it gets easier each time. I also learned about some more of the features of the unit like changing the aperture value, blue focus tracking, and white uniformity.

I have been playing some games on it tonight. I will reiterate there is zero lag on this projector. I played several fighting games, shmups, racing, and fps everything was perfect. No ghosting either.

>>4830847
I think you could
otherwise you just need the same game on two systems

>>4811114
ah damn, had the chance to pick one of these up for free but it was out of my league desu, also anons told me adjusting geometry, and general maintanence was a bitch so avoided going through the trouble. Should have just picked it up to save it. :(

>tube replacements
>CRT projectors
you are all insane

>>4831076
The guy that did the tube swap learned valuable skills. He just might be one of the few people able to fix and calibrate the old things. We're gonna need people like him when PVMs are antiques.
The projector guy is probably insane, though.

>>4827892
that still leaves a 6th plug. is it a ground?

>>4815447
Depends on your set and what games.

Regular vga box outputs 480p only or VGA/PC monitor res. You can mod any of the vga boxes to do the same thing as the toro, minus the scan line generator and scart output, by adding a switch to lift pin 6 of the av connector which enables 480i/240p rgb mode. 90% of the library looks best at 480p, there's only like 15 games that take advantage of the 240p mode and 480i sucks compared to 480p.

>>4831259
>We're gonna need people like him when PVMs are antiques.

They already are in most cases anon. I've always heard antiques are 20+ years old, meaning anything before 98 is an antique, give it about 6-8 years and they all will be antique.

>>4832562

>>4832470
Plz answer

>>4832470
>>4832736
Actually it looks like I answered prematurely without looking closely at the cable.

It's proprietary and for use with an Olympus endoscope system. The black DIN plug probably hooks up to a magnification controller.

Got a PVM 20m2u. Using Component cables, How do I plug in both sound cables to it?

>>4833087
You will need an L/R Audio to mono adapter. Really cheap and easy to find, just plug into the single RCA jack in the back. However most people would definitely recommend external speakers, as the mono audio of PVMs is excessively underwhelming. Just upgraded to actually speakers today and holy hell what a nice combo.

>>4833107
thank you anon

>>4833107
It's really not a good idea to do it that way, because then the source device is driving left and right chennels into each other. Those adapters are meant as splitters, not as mixers. It'll probably work but weird problems could happen.
In cases where there's a mono speaker I'd say it's better to stick with left only.

>>4831259
>The projector guy is probably insane, though.
I might be, however tonight I dialed in 1280x960 and made further brightness/contrast adjustments and the results were simply amazing. And that's with my crappy home-made screen of a whiteboard and sheets of paper.

At this point I will have to make a better screen to get any more out of the monitor. I would take photos, but i spent all night playing with the thing and I don't want to mess with trying to get a good photo right now.

>>4833168
also, I have tried RetroArch and with the use of Shaders I get the same excellent kind of results I got with desktop CRT monitors. I will get around to real 240p on this projector, but I know the difference in the image will be trivial.

>>4833107
I use pic related for audio with my PVM, and it's a great solution for anyone who uses headphones. It's a low-cost, bare bones (only one RCA input) solution that works fantastically.

>>4833168
Can the projector handle other resolutions? I would want to use it at 640x480 for anime

I play my games on this behemoth

My dad gave me this beast of a TV. It's mint! He never used it!

My dad gave me this beast of a TV. It's mint! He never used it!

forgot pic, ignore post above.

My dad gave me this beast of a TV. It's mint! He never used it!

I also made a thread about it, feel free to post there if you like. :^) >>>/thread/4825803

>>4833586
dont believe you, post pics of it with games fired up

>>4833168
>>4833304
are you the guy who maxes out the res on 31 kHz pc monitors and runs shaders in retroarch over them? You talked about tv out tweaks before I think?

>>4833667
I'm a CRT collector, not a game player. I don't own any games.

>>4833586
>I play my games on this behemoth
>>4833670
>I'm a CRT collector, not a game player. I don't own any games.

>>4833586
That's just an old cabinet, or it's fabricated. I can see a new 90s/00s set inside of it. Not only that, there are hinges on the side.

Oh wait. It's not even his. Pic related.

>>4807950
Have you ever played Half Life Opposing Force on a pentium 4 interal graphics on a CRT on the ground with a cup of coffee before?

>>4833693
Are those Sennheiser phones? I have HD650. Amazing.

>>4833739
Yeah, HD 598's. I've had them for a long time and they're extremely comfy even after all this time, I love them. I also own a pair of JBL lsr 305's. The clarity blew my mind the first time I heard them.

>>4833679
lol you got me!

>>4833746
598 are amazing, good tastes

>>4833746
>>4833756

Sennheiser master race

>>4833668
I am one of them. I don't use tv-outs. I have looked at it and there are a lot of parameters to study and tweak so that will be further down the line to see what I can do with it. Right now I use aperture.cgp with a set of tweaks to my preference.

There are two things I do that are a bit strange.
1. I run my CRT monitor in "high" mode as opposed to 75 ohs. This increases the luminosity of the image. Most CRT monitors don't have this feature.
2. I adjust display gamma in shader parameters to input gamma of 2.6 and output gamma of 1.8 I have found this gives the image better contrast on a CRT monitor and makes it look more like it ought to. No details are lost.

>>4833569
Yes, will scan from 15 to 135khz so that means 320x240, 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x960, 1280x1024, 1280x900, 1440x1080, 1600x 1200, 1920x1080, 2560x1440, and 2560x1600 are supported.

However, even though you can sync to 2560x1600 and display it, you are not going to get anywhere near resolving all the details of the resolution. I have made test patterns which are are alternating black and white lines running in horizontal and vertical directions and so far I can't properly fully resolve 1440x1080p. The lines are not clear enough even in the center. But 1280x960p fully resolves, so I will stick to that since I can also run at 100hz.

I have been thinking over what game to play through first and I believe I might try Punch-Out!! because of the lag meme

>live in chicago
>literally 0 PVMs show up ever
>the one time it does its an overpriced 10" unit

>>4833831
https://southbend.craigslist.org/sys/d/sony-trinitron-cpd-g520-crt/6586492797.html

Get this, you won't regret it.

>>4833840
Note: this is the 4:3 brother to the famous Sony GDM-FW900

>>4830796
The diamondtron looks like it needs a bit of geometry adjustment.

>>4833846
why do you say that?

>>4833882
the geometry

>>4833882
Because it's clearly had a gremlin in close proximity at some point in its life.

>>4833895
point it out in mspaint and post

>>4833904
not the same unit lol, this is mine

>>4833908
Holy shit dude, grab a duster!

Also, that's Cabbage Pants' wife, apparently.

>>4833808
can you post your aperture.cgp settings?

1. what is high mode? I have some spare crts I would like to mess around with and it would be cool to know if they had this. Best model I have is a sony cpd g220r Trinitron

2. Is this on the retroarch side or on the monitor side?

>>4833816
lag meme? on a crt projector?

>>4833915
it was just a pic i grabbed off the net, not my actual unit but the same model

>>4833915
>Also, that's Cabbage Pants' wife, apparently.

h-how do you know this?

>>4833928
It appears I have an unhealthy obsession.

Either that or he spammed it, can't remember tbqh.

>>4833845
>Note: this is the 4:3 brother to the famous Sony GDM-FW900
That title would actually belong to the GDM-F500. The one linked is not only from their lower end/productivity line, but also slightly later model.

The CPD will actually support horizontal frequencies slightly higher than the above two (130khz limit vs 121khz), but the tube is of a lower stripe pitch than the F500 (.24 vs .22) and with a chassis sporting lower end parts, likely with lower bandwidth ratings.

Don't get me wrong, it'd still make for a really nice display, but it just isn't the FW900's brother.

>>4834128
Was going to post a similar response but couldn't muster the enthusiasm to do so.

Personally I tend to shy away from the entire FD Trinitron line because of the G2 drift issue (relatively easily fixed I know, having done it several times) indicative of a general downturn in build quality. Diamondtron is where I put my money these days.

My friends, how can I improve this?

>>4834201

>>4834201
>>4834206
Perhaps by explaining what you think the problem is?

We're not mindreaders.

>>4834217
My biggest problem is that the screen itself looks too white, I don't think you can see it, with that camera shot but the colors look quite pale.

>>4834128
r8 my new setup
>>4830796

>>4834227
If you're happy with the overall colour balance and there are no casts on the highlights and shadows, simply drop all the values by the same amount.

This should work to reduce luminosity without screwing up the chroma balance.

>>4834238
Nice big tubes, poor photo.

Need to take a shot with better light and/or a better camera, too dark really to make much out.

>>4834306
any hints?

>>4834227
Looks perfect to me.

>>4833916
Sharpness Image: 3.00
Sharpness Edges: 3.00
Glow Width: 0.5
Glow Height: 0.5
Glow Halation: 0.17
Glow Diffusion 0.06
Mask Colors: 3
Mask Strength: 0.00
Mask Size: 1.00
Scanline Size Minimum: 1.00
Scanline Size Max: 1.50
Gamma Input: 2.60
Gamma Output: 1.80
Brightness: 1.50

These settings do not correspond to any particular thing or attempt to emulate any particular display. I simply chose them for my own particular monitor which is a Hitachi Superscan Elite 20 and thought they looked good on it. I just went by gut feeling of having looked at many CRTs in the past of all different styles and build qualities (including PVMs, diamondtrons, arcade monitors, etc).

I play in 1600x1200@60hz and when starting a game go through this procedure

>set aspect ratio to CUSTOM
>Integer Scaling: ON
>scale image to closest size that is under 1600x1200 (for 320x240 it's exact 5x scaling both directions)
>go back and set Integer Scaling: OFF
>go back to x resolution and press start on it to reset it to 1600
>use monitor controls to resize V size and center to fit screen if necessary

Once I do all that I get an image which, to me, looks right. Looks like a good arcade monitor. Maybe a little -too- good compared to the real thing you'd find out in the world, especially when it comes to corner focus and convergence. But I'm not complaining about that.

>>4833831
Any Chicago bros want a Sony kv-20xbr in need of calibration? I need to unload on crt's and this is one I don't really want to put my time into, but it is a cool set. I'd like to see if someone wants to give it some love

>>4834448
thanks, why didnt you compliment me on my cpd g220r I got for free?

>>4834714
I must have overlooked it. That is a good monitor and should work well with shaders. I have two HMD-A440s in storage that are similar to it and I have tried RetroArch and other modern games on another one I gave away and the results were as good as you could ever want. You don't really need an awesome super duper top-tier PC CRT to get good results with shaders.

The g220r is a little smaller than typical, so that might actually help it more. .24mm slot pitch at 17" is a fairly coarse pitch for a late model PC CRT monitor.

I am interested in getting into the retro console hobby, and I want to get a CRT too. My family grew up on flat screens cause my dad is a media editor and needed the high resolution. Are there any good small CRTs I can fit on my desk next to my computer?

>>4834732
how much space do u have?

I've made up some test patterns for shaders in RetroArch to play around with. These are 1600x1200 images with lines that are each 5 pixels thick. When displayed in RetroArch you may be able to play with shader parameters to be able to set a virtual amount of TV lines or dot pitch to your liking. I haven't even anything with this yet myself so I will see how it goes.

Hmm, maybe I should have made these with thinner lines. Because with only 240 lines to work with you wouldn't really be able to create a virtual 600 TV line screen. I may have to make some more patterns.