/vr/ - Retro Games

yes, i got lucky and my local retro store had a japanese saturn and radiant silvergun one day. It wasn't a small purchase, but so worth it. I still neeed to get an action replay

I have five

No but I'm thinking of buying one

what do I need to know

>>4805296
I got one at goodwill and traded it for a Super Famicom and then I sold the Super Famicom.

>>4805296
no

yes, i got lucky and my local flea market had japanese saturns for $5 every day. It was a small purchase so I did it several times. I have a whole drawer full of action replays, backup, RAM, ROM, and other carts.

>>4805328
Kek, me too, but im selling 2 with grey japanese controllers, if anybodies interested i could make an ebay private listing. Just make a new email and ill send a link to ya.

I've got like four or five in various conditions and from various regions, yeah

>>4805330
PseudoSaturn Kai

White model master race
Prove me wrong

>>4805296
yes. I like using it to make webms

>>4805296
Yeah, a white Japanese one. I need to replace my controller's shoulder triggers though, they're both pretty worn and the left one sometimes doesn't work unless you press it hard.

>>4805474
I prefer the grey one, but I have a regular black model 2 US model, and I own a white JP controller.

No, but I do own a broken TV which only displays static and screeches a lot. It's pretty much the same thing.

I have two, but neither works reliably. One is severely water damaged, yet the motherboard apparently still works because it boots up and displays the menu. The drive mechanism is completely shot.
The other is in good condition but fails to read discs. I was able to get it to work a couple times by messing with the potentiometers that control focus gain and tracking gain, but not anymore.

>>4805296
Do they require maintenence? Why is it open

>>4805474
White model master race reporting for duty. I posted a few days ago, but will support a brother in arms!

>>4805482
Not much you can do about saturn shoulder buttons. They differ from others as they dont have a magnetic ruber piece that is used to hit the contacts. Its an encompased mechanism that wouldnt be worth the time unless for research and possible solutions when saturn controlers become more rare. I say by a replacement.

>>4805503
You could sell one for parts on ebay and use the money to buy a replacement cd drive. Its pretty easy to install, but asjusting the new pots could be just as tedious as trying to adjust your current cd drive.

>>4805546
There are replacement switches on Aliexpress. I'll give those a shot first, and if they suck then I can always buy a new controller. I just don't like wasting retro gaming hardware if I can help it.

>>4805296
My Saturn is in intensive care. The gears/motor that moves the laser keeps trying to move it down (towards the front of the console) when it's already as far in that direction as it can possibly go. Because of this it won't even attempt to read discs even though the laser itself and the disc rotor work fine.

If anybody has any ideas, that'd be helpful.

>>4805670
Well you could always buy a broken one on ebay too and use it for spare parts.

>>4805708
Have you tried disconnecting all the wiring and reconnecting? I know one of the pots adjusts the timing of the motor on certain models. Theres more pots on the model 2 i think... dont quote me on that! Anyways, its worth a shot. Dont mess with the cd drives laser pot, just the other ones and try foogle to find out which is which (its been a while i cant remember which is which). Other than that, theres always replacement cd drives.

>>4805385
Sell me something for under ebay prices please!!

>>4805546
Dude, it's like you just wailed on your keyboard with a +10 stick of stupid

>>4805670
I tried some from ali but they didn't quite fit right. I reworked one but it wasn't worth the effort. But only because my time is worth something and I can get Saturn controllers for ¥50-100. For someone else it might be worth it.

>>4805505
You gotta replace the two CPU chips every 3 weeks and yell at it in japanese to think about whats its done

>>4805736
Thanks for the reply, I'll have a go at it.

>>4805296
Yes. I have a white Japanese Sega Saturn. It was worth buying on ebay.

>>4805296
What did Sega mean by this?

>>4805296
What did Sega mean by this?

>>4805736
>theres always replacement cd drives.
Where do you get one of those? I can find replacement lasers, but I think I need to replace the whole drive assembly with the motors and everything.

>>4805834
Damn, look how much more advanced the Saturn is. It looks like a real computer while the N64 looks like a board from a handheld child's toy.

>>4805296
Yeah and I'm glad I got it when I did because the price of damn near everything is absurd these days.

>>4805850
Damn, look at those cost overruns. No wonder SEGA ate shit, there's like 20 chips there.

>>4805868
Simply the Best. They went out the way of a true Artist. Dedicated to the Craft.

I have the Brazilian model made by Tec Toy, also have a 3D controller.

>>4805886
Does the motherboard look the same?

>>4805889

Pretty sure, considering it's exactly the same black model, and it also runs US games without modchips, so it must be just US hardware.

>>4805834
More chips = more graphix do the math

I've got a Saturn. Black US model 2.
I love the machine.
waiting for a new controller to come in and at some point, I need to get a save cart -- I used to use my AR for that, but it has PseudoSaturn installed on it (also, apparently the flash chips in those aren't rated for terribly many writes and there's no wear leveling).

>>4805739
Sure thing. I have a spare ultraman cart I picked up for ¥50 a few years back that I'm willing to part with for $19 instead of the $20 it usually goes for on eBay. Don't miss your opportunity to acquire the rare cart you need to play this classic high quality sega saturn game!

>>4805296
yes

>>4805296
why would i want to own the worst sega console ever developed? it's like wanting to have aids or ebola.

>>4806167
Retarded NA library fag spotted

>>4805834
Love how tiny the N64 is. So much power.
Saturn does look more complicated and cool though.

>>4805296
SEGATA SANSHIRO!!!
SEGATA SANSHIRO!!!

SEGA SATURN-SHIRO!!!

>>4805886
Did the Brazilian one come with the 3d controller?

>>4805850
>"lookit all deese chips 'n wires we don't even know what to do with 'em!"
..
>what actually happened

>>4805296
Yes and I love it very much
I'm also never buying another fucking saturn game ever again

>>4807523
And while burning games is neat 'n all
I'm getting that sweet Satiator sometime in the future

>>4805296
I did once. I played Mr Bones until the end. Then someone made me an offer and I sold the system and the 2 or 3 games that I had.

>>4807543
Did you do that ironically or are there two people in the world who don't think the game is total shit?

>>4806169
>Retarded NA library fag spotted

no shit

>>4806217
https://youtu.be/POkU70cjYI8

>>4807526
>Satiator

Man, i want that so much. I hope it will read SD cards instead of usb sticks.

I have a Murkkan and a JP one but haven't explored the library much yet although I finally have access to a Pseudosaturn so that's going to change.

Best racing games for saturn? Aside from Rally Plus

>>4807661
Why? USB is better. You can always stick an SD card reader in it if you want.

>>4807695

I dunno. I guess i wanna close the fucking battery compartment. Plus you get micro sd cards up to 400 gigs now.

>>4807690

hard to say. The daytona games suck. Sega Rally sucks. They are still playable but they look pretty sad compared to the model2 originals. VR seems to suck too. Saturn probably isnt a very racing friendly console.

>>4805834
What were all the chips on the Saturn for.

It's got to have a CPU and RAM at minimum. I've heard about VDP1 and 2, and there's gotta be VRAM. There's probably an audio coprocessor, with audio ram. There has to be a video encoder and audio dac. What else am I forgetting? There seems to be a number of chips on there that are more than glue logic. (also, looks like many memory modules are paired).

>>4807891
>a CPU
>What else am I forgetting?
The other CPU? The other other CPU? lol

>>4806281

There was a bundle at some point.

I have a gray Saturn with a disconnected and broken power port and board, no cables, and no controllers. I don't even know if replacing the power board would make it turn on.

>>4805742
>Dude, it's like you just wailed on your keyboard with a +10 stick of stupid

Then you continue to basically regurtitate what i say. "I reworked one but it wasn't worth the effort." How stupid can you get. I fuckin just said its not worth it to fuck with that shit. Either get a controller for parts/repair or buy a new one!


>>4807573
Kek, ive tried to play mr. Bones many, many times... alas, it was just too shitty. This coming from a guy who likes dark castle and temple of doom on nes. Both those games are better than mr. Bones.

>>4805845
You need to buy a broken saturn and hope the cd drive is functional. You can always get a new laser, but the whole mechanism ( while similar to other consoles cd drives) is designed for that specific saturn model. You might be able to mix and match tid bits from here and there. could work, could end up with a pile of trash. Im sure some autist could design a 3d mechanism and print it out. I, however, am not that autist.

>>4806054
Ohh, no. Not that. How about a rom cart for 10 bucks

>>4806167
Hey man... you sound like you need help, im just worried about your peace and happiness. You cant be truly happy with so much hate in your heart. You should play some sega sayurn and rest those tired nerves with a joyous game of kutto ketto.

>>4807690
Try out code r, it's knockoff initial d but honestly really fun, and a much better racing game than the initial d game on the saturn. Also has a dating sim aspect, but tgat can be easilg ignored.

>>4808189
I have just the thing!
>>4808148
Im this guy

This video has code r and kuttu ketto previews in it. Ive been watching a bunch of em. Sega video magazine

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pK4olJf8oLs#

>>4808125
Nowhere did I "regurtitate" anything about a "magnetic ruber piece" or an "encompased mechanism". Clearly I can't get stupid enough for that.

>>4808125
Was it too shitty for you to get past the first level? I find a lot of people are put off because the game doesn't start off with super easy shit you can walk through. It's not a very difficult game but it can be very unforgiving of mistakes. And while it's mostly a platformer the non-platformer "mini-games" between levels are interesting if not challenging.

>>4808145
You sure bro? You don't know what you're passing up. Compared to the MD game Ultraman on the Saturn is pure gold!

Yep, a Model 1 and a chopped Model 2. The model 1 I bought in 1996 for near $300, the Model 2 I picked up on shopgoodwill for $25 shipped, came with a NOS arcade stick and a JP pad. Chip was $45, Phantom Universal. Need to pick another one up (along with a replacement ribbon for the drive, the one in there is fragile) for the M1 so I can give it to my brother.

>>4805296
I have for 8 years

No, but I intend to get a white one + Pseudo Saturn cart soon.

I have one but it doesn't seem to store saves/keep time after powering off. I changed the battery, issue still remains. I don't know what to do about it. I don't play it much, but I would if it stored saves.

>>4805296
I do. Do you? Or do you just have 1/2 a Saturn?

>>4808132
That's how I ended up with two broken ones in the first place. I'll just keep keeping an eye out for them.

>>4808428
Clean the battery contacts with isopropyl. Failing that, nab a memcard.

>>4808428
Also, the chip to the left of this ZIF connector is the SRAM module, clean it’s legs with isopropyl and a clean toothbrush, or use a soldering iron and some flux to reflow the legs of you can solder to repair micro fractures in the solder joints.

no, because their pieces of shit

>>4807891
four CPUs (2 SH-2s for main processing, a 68000 variant for handling audio, an SH-1 that handles CD control (totally wasted, it only runs the CD control software))
several RAM chips since it's split up a bunch
two video chips (VDP1 for main sprite and polygon graphics, VDP2 for background, foreground, and final output)
I think I'm missing one chip that isn't just glue logic.

>>4809069
oh yeah, I was missing the SCSP (plays back sampled audio and can combine channels for FM sounds, has a DSP for echo and the lot, and IIRC, it can decode MIDI data directly)

>>4809010
What about their pieces of shit?

>>4808428
usually restting the console will keep the saves in ram without battery. if you have an AR you could reset after saving and copy the saves to the AR.

>>4809093

Brown... long, and warm. One could almost observe a soft, but seemingly solid to the touch texture, as the fresh excrement, slowly but with all the solemn grace of a snail in October, smeared down the porcelain. Leaving only it's oily trail behind. Lonely and almost aware of it's own existence. Awaiting it's sudden descent into the water below.

>>4809093

Brown... long, and warm. One could almost observe a soft, but seemingly solid to the touch texture, as the fresh excrement, slowly but with all the solemn grace of a snail in October, smeared down the porcelain. Leaving only it's oily trail behind. Lonely and almost aware of it's own existence. Awaiting it's sudden descent into the water below.

you better own a Sega Saturn

>>4807523
>tfw looking on ebay and seeing people are paying close to three times as much as I did with some games I own

>>4809807

https://youtu.be/EYhbbJ1lSuw

Question time. So i wanna get into japper tate shooters. Which saturn tate shooters are particularly close to their jamma counterparts?
The closer the better.

>>4810001
Battle Garegga on Saturn is to my knowledge (almost) arcade perfect and has extra options over the PCB like an arranged soundtrack, pink bullets and screen alternatives for playing in hori mode. Really expensive though, and now has a modern port on PS4.

Layer Section/Galactic Attack is another great one, plus points for being quite cheap. From what I've read the sound/color is a little different from the Taito board and might be slightly easier.

There are also some other well known ones like Batsugun but I haven't played their Saturn versions yet. One thing most of them have in common is that they are really fucking expensive.

>>4810001
>>4810024
Oh, and that port of Dodonpachi you posted loses quite a bit of graphical fidelity on the Saturn. One of the few shooters that has a superior version on the Playstation, although IIRC that one ain't perfect either.

Got two of them. Been playing Saturn long before most of you could speak.

>>4810048

Good. I bought mine mid '95. Japanese long box. It still works great.

>>4805474
I own a white model and while I agree it is a very good model, it pales in comparison to the V-Saturn model 2.

>>4805328
>8▶>>4805393
>I have five
Lmao, i have five as well...

>>4810549
Heres mine. Recently did the multi region bios, and phantom. And for some reason also have a psuedo saturn.

>>4808124
I'll give you $15 for it

>>4810182
This is what I have

>>4805296
I own 15 or so.

>>4805834
That's actually the most poorly designed Saturn board that was used only to get rid of old stock of chips that they already simplified. The rest of the version 2s get rid of of 3 or 4 of the large chips (and place the memory on the top board instead of the bottom, so the board looks equally busy even though it uses less components).

Yeah, it's still more complex than the n64, but at least it runs without needing to plug in a memory bus terminator. N64 literally needs a buttplug inside it to boot (which sometimes can carry extra memory).

>>4810641
Tempting since that's more than what I paid for it.

>>4810848
vrguy@mail.com

I'm serious, need some parts for a failed one I have

>>4810868
lol someone registered my email for a bunch of pizza places.

Whats the definite saturn model to get? SEGA ver1, hitachi, samsung, victor?

I bought Advanced VG the other day. Psychonauts or space harrier next.

>>4811279
Doesn't really matter. They're all fine, minor styling differences aside.

>>4811279
Navi. Stupid pleb

Anyone know where you can get replacement cases for the double disc games from japan?

>>4805474
White electronics are are true pleb tier. The only acceptable materials are black plastic, wood, or silver metal.

>>4810024
Batsugun is arcade perfect, but it doesn't offer anything over playing it on MAME, other than a very poor remix soundtrack. The original soundtrack is in mono like the arcade.

>>4811843
You mean the ultimate dust displayer color

I dont know why but when I try to play outrun it puts my saturn in a constant limbo
It goes to the cd player screen, reads disc then the system resets and its an endless loop of this
Disc is pristine too and doesnt do this to any other game
Im stumped

>>4805296
>Do you own a Sega Saturn?
fuck no. never will. why would i want one of the worst consoles sega has ever made? WHY? it's trash, the games are trash and no fucking wonder it only lasted two or three years before sega said "FUCK THIS SHIT, NO MORE SATURN. WHAT A DISASTER".

>>4811872
due to the quality parts sega used in the saturn (KEK!), 100% certain your drive's laser is 100% fucked.

>>4811872
Sounds like an incompatibility with your hardware revision.

>>4811880
Bro its only for this one game
>>4811883
The game ran fine before

>>4811872

Could be a microscopic scratch just at the right spot. I have this with a vampire hunter game. Game disc was fucked, wouldnt play. You could try to get a hold of a cd/dvd polishing machine on ebay.

>>4811872

Could be a microscopic scratch just at the right spot. I had the same with a vampire hunter game. Game disc was fucked, wouldnt play. You could try to get a hold of a cd/dvd polishing machine on ebay.

There are always plenty of Batsugun games on ebay. So it cant be rare really. I wonder if they will get cheaper since obviously no one is buying them.

>>4811880
Guess how I know you have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about?

>>4811872
Have you cleaned the lens recently?

>>4805296
I did back in 1997, but then I got a playstation instead.

>>4811872
Are you using a Model 2 Saturn? The newest revisions of the console(VA10+) changed the sound hardware which introduced a bug that makes the Japanese Outrun and Space Harrier ports unplayable. These are the only 2 games that have this problem and both got reprints to fix this.

Also hold the disc against a flashlight to check for disc rot.

I still have mine from the Christmas I got it along with a few games. The ones that came with it, Virtua fighter/cop/racing. And I kept my favorites from over the years, dragon force, shining force 3, Shining ark, mr.bones, clockwork knight.

>>4812604
Oh and whatever that sci-fi have was on the ship with the sound sensor to track monster. I never understood that one as a kid so it's still in a box somewhere

>>4805328
Do you manage a game store or something?

>>4805474
Segata Sanshiro approves

>>4812983
http://i.imgur.com/9QuCbJR.png

Why the FUCK is this so expensive
I mean I already have it but from forever ago

>>4816127
It was a 1999 release, which was post-Dreamcast. Obviously there are many more DC copies, and the fact that the Saturn version is well known to be superior drives up the price.

Final Fight Revenge is a 2000 release which IIRC is even more expensive now.

Is there a saturn flashcart that exists? Or do I just have to go with the mod to play backups?

>>4816727
There are ODEs, but good luck getting one. Just buy an Action Replay or wait for the Satiator.

>>4816727
Personally I went with a modchip so I wasn't limited to using an Action Replay cartridge for the PseudoSaturn thing, it doesn't really work for ingame saving in large games like Shining Force III. Only problem is that no modchip removes region locking IIRC so you can only use burnt discs for out-of-region games(plus you have to modify the disc image's region encoding using a program) unless you combine the chip with an AR cartridge.

The Satiator will probably be the best solution if that comes to fruition, not holding my breath until I see something concrete though. I'd say go with AR+PseudoSaturn or a modchip if you want to use an official memory cartridge. I will warn you though that if you use an AR you should insert/remove it as few times as possible, the cartridge slot on the Saturn is notoriously flimsy and the AR's connector being too big certainly does not help. If your cartridge slot breaks I doubt many people can fix it.

>>4816893
>the AR's connector being too big certainly does not help
It's 30 microns thicker than an official backup cart. Really not an issue.

>>4816893
Man I've taken to taping my AR cart down. Probably awful for the socket (that being said, it's also not that much thicker than a real Saturn save or RAM cart).

only started doing it to make sure the pseudosaturn installer would recognize it, but it's saved me a lot of re-inserts

>>4816893
>no modchip removes region locking IIRC
YRI

>>4817375
No, he's right. To remove region locking you need a BIOS swap, a modchip alone can't do it.

>>4816127

I dont get it either. There are plenty of copies of street fighter zero 3 and batsugun in the wild. Eventually they will fall again.

>>4817426
No you don't. Also you know the BIOS is a chip and replacing it is a mod, right?

>>4811879

>>4810030
IIRC, although DDP on PS1 looks loads better, it screws up chaining.
but if you don't play for score, PS1 all the way (and if you do, play on MAME/PCB instead of inaccurate home ports)

>>4808327
I even stated where you basically said what i said, youre just a dumb prick that cant comprehend logical arguments

>>4816127
Awesome.

I dont know what happened to the other thread, but saturn imports are great, this is what i got so far!

>>4817650
Pulling shit out of your ass like "magnetic ruber piece" and "encompased mechanism" aren't logical arguments. They're just ramblings of a dumb kid. Why don't aspies like you just write "1+1=2" in every post. That way you can always be "right". lol

>>4812983
>>4813665
I did pick the first one up when I still worked at Babbage's I think I paid $40 for it, in probably '97. The others I've just picked up whenever I ran across one for under $10 since then.

>>4817685
I'm pretty sure you know what he means.

>>4817705
He means he doesn't know what he's talking about. Why you or even him even try to dispute that is inconceivable.

>>4817837
He means he doesn't want to have to order a button assembly, desolder and resolder it as opposed to just wiping off a contact pad with a q-tip. Just because someone doesn't use the same terminology as you doesn't make them retarded and calling people retarded over pedantic minutia doesn't make you look any smarter. It doesn't make your dick any bigger either and to keep harping on something so trivial for literally a week is pathetic.

>>4817897
A tripfag has no place calling anyone else pathetic.

>>4811872
The newer revisions didnt get that chip that is needed to play outrun and space harrier sega ages. Just get the us sega ages vol 1.

>>4817897
Calling a piece of silicone a magnetic rubber piece doesn't make someone retarded but is damn good proof they already are. It's not "terminology" its just being wrong. Also, "he" is clearly you. Even a dumb tripfag like you wouldn't be stupid enough to defend such a fool unless it was actually you defending your wounded pride.

>>4817510
I'm curious, which modchip removes both the disc check and region locking? I installed mine in 2014 so maybe it wasn't around yet. Also, a BIOS chip replacement is obviously a lot more involved than the simple modchips that only require you to solder a single wire.

>>4818004
>I'm confusedious
Clearly. Region modding the Saturn has been around longer than you have. Use the google to locate chips and instructions on how to install them. You probably won't find a single chip solution for anything except region switching. Also, you being afraid of soldering doesn't make you less wrong.

>>4818089
Modchip != BIOS chip replacement.
We can argue semantics all you want, but you know I meant the little boards you can place between the motherboard and CD board. Nobody calls a chip replacement a "modchip".

>>4818094
There are little boards that you can place between the motherboard and the BIOS to let you switch versions. Sounds like a mod chip by your definition. But hey, as long as you can deflect away from your ignorance on region modding that's cool. Maybe everyone will forget you said it requires a BIOS replacement?

>>4817997
They are rubber, not silicone. Silicone isn't conductive, which is what he clearly meant when he said "magnetic" and he probably meant "integrated" or "encapsulated" when he said "encompassing" my guess is he's not a native English speaker and I'm attacking you for being exactly the type of uselessly negative poster we don't need, not defending him. I don't know why in the world you'd think someone like him was me with my trip off but it's funny that in addition to being hateful you're also psychotically paranoid. Seek help.

>>4819303
For someone who claims not to be the ignorant tard you sure do know a lot about what was going on in his so called mind when he posted. Why would anyone think someone who knew all that was was white knighting might be samefag? Also, exactly how is silicone not rubber? You really are stupid, even for a tripfag.

>>4819137
I wouldn't consider putting an UNIBIOS in my Neo Geo using a modchip, no. Same with the Saturn. It's a mod, but not a modchip, which I would consider to be an extra chip, not a replacement chip. In the end it doesn't really matter what we call it, modchip is becoming a pretty outdated term anyway.

I guess >>4817375 was a correction based on your semantics, but it does not change the fact that something like the Phantom modchip does not remove the region lock with the Saturn requiring an extra mod, unlike the Playstation where a BIOS chip replacement isn't necessary.

Keep throwing those assumptions and ad hominems around, though. I'm done.

Anybody in this thread still selling a saturn? I want.

Just got Tempest for cheap at a thrift store
Is this a fun game?

>>4805385
>I have a whole drawer full of action replays
I have to question if these will die unused because of the shitty flash memory they use. I think I read somewhere they can be fixed though.

>>4821928
I've heard all sorts of stories but never experienced any problems myself. But I only use 4 of the things. The others might have gone bad and I wouldn't know. But I doubt it.

>>4822576
The new Chink pseudo Saturn carts on ebay are fantastic. They have a 3 way switch for 1 MB RAM, 4MB RAM that doesn't cause any graphical glitches and 8MB memory that actually can be saved to within the game. If someone reverse engineers them then we could just keep making them.

>>4818004
>I'm curious, which modchip removes both the disc check and region locking?

None of them, since doing so on the cd drive side requires on the fly editing of an entire ISO sector with its ECC regenerated, and the modchip doesn't work on big enough packets of data to be able to do this (it intercepts individual commands which are like 13 bytes each, not 2 kbyte sectors). Doing a modchip that works with that much data in one go would require a chip that is nearly as powerful as the Saturn.
the SD loaders can get around it because they are more powerful than a Saturn, and because they have to break up the data into sectors and then into data packets for the drive; at which point you are already processing data on a sector level and you can patch them on the fly.

There are a handful of games which are multi region however.

Region free bios is piss easy to install with the proper tools though.

>>4807526
>>4807661
>>4816774
>>4816893
>Satiator

Good luck waiting for that. It was announced what, 4 years ago? It's another fucking PSIO.

>>4817030
Would've been easier to just clean the fucking pins, man.

>>4819747
>Exactly how is silicone not rubber?
>You really are stupid,

>>4822959
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicone_rubber

>>4822765
Its that sweet monthly payment on Patreon. The guy makes hundreds per month in donations. Why would he rush?

>>4805296
no, but I just remembered that I've never played Story of Thor 2 / Legend of Oasis properly.
What's the best Windows emulator for this game?