/vr/ - Retro Games

nice i like that game too. a good rpg, or actually a JRPG. it's pretty long but it's fun to play. one of the best jrpgs on the PS1 probably.

An extraterrestrial being called Jenova was hurled through space, presumably after her home world was destroyed by some sort of disaster. Jenova ended up crashing onto the planet where the game is set, and was discovered by Dr. Hojo, who worked closely with Shinra and its military forces. Hojo saw some kind of potential within Jenova and injected her cells into human subjects, or what would later be known as SOLDIERs.

The SOLDIERs gained superhuman abilities as a result of Jenova's cells. But then some of them went insane or mutated into strange creatures due to unforeseen side effects. Sephiroth, who was regarded as the strongest SOLDIER of all, also spiraled into gradual insanity. It turns out the Jenova cells were communicating with him, eventually hijacking Sephiroth's mind and body and using him as a vessel to carry out their own will, which was to destroy humanity and make the planet more hospitable for the rebirth of Jenova's native species.

Cloud also got mixed up in all of this since his body was infused with Jenova cells. Hence Cloud's will is sometimes taken over by Jenova's, forcing him to cooperate with Sephiroth on a few occasions.

Jenova's agenda involved turning the planet's own resources against itself - the massive WEAPON creatures that later emerge from the planet and begin rampaging against humanity. However, the planet (or respectively the lifestream, the planet's collective consciousness) becomes aware of this plot as a result of Aeris/Aerith sacrificing herself and entering the lifestream directly. The planet then launches in action by evoking the 'Holy' materia/magic to repel Jenova's assault.

I may be a little fuzzy on that last part. Either the planet is unwittingly turned against itself by unleashing the WEAPONs, or it's just upset with humanity due to corrupt organizations like Shinra taking a massive shit on the environment.

>>4765359

>still play it daily today

Jesus. I can't even bring myself to get out of Midgar again.

>>4765359
the real question is how often do you fap to tifa?

>>4765452
Yeah im thinking the same
U run out of shit to do eventually

>>4765359
I think the problem you're having is that they don't really explain all that well what the fuck Shinra is still doing around. Like you encounter the Turks occasionally but they seem to have their own agenda a lot of the time. Then Rufus and Palmer show up to take the Tiny Bronco because Reasons, but they don't really show up again until you catch up to them at the heart of the crater at the beginning of disc 2.

So, basically, here's what's going on. You go to the Temple of the Ancients and lose the Black Materia, right? And Aeriス says, "Well, you sure fucked that up, also thanks for beating the shit out of me, I guess I'll try and go fix this." Then she dies and you assume she wasn't able to conjure Holy, so you instead go to the crater where Sephiroth is going because you're out of ideas but it's going to suck if he's actually able to summon Meteor. You get the Black Materia back, but for some bad reason decide not to immediately leave with it.

Then you get to the center of the crater and Shinra is also there because "There's Mako 'round these parts," I guess. I don't really know why they're all there, I think Hojo basically just convinces them it's a good idea because he wants to revive Sephiroth. So that's exactly what happens.

The rest of the game is a power struggle between the party and Shinra where Shinra is trying to weaponize the Huge Materia in various ways and you have to stop them while also putting down all the crazy Weapons that are supposed to be the planet's natural defense system but are just retarded and attack anything Then you just go kill Sephiroth.

>>4765359
>I've been playing ff7 since I was 5

>>4765393
Professor Gast and Ifalna are Aeris' biological parents, Gast is head of The Jenova Project, and Ifalna is the last surviving member of the Cetra, the people who defeated and contained Jenova 2000 years ago. Jenova's body is rediscovered 20 or so years before the present day by Shinra during routine mako excavations and the project begins. Gast is drawn to it because his wife has spiritual ties to the whole thing, being an Ancient. At the same time Hojo is head of Shinra Weapons Division. During that time, Vincent works for Shinra alongside Lucretia, his love, and Hojo. Over time Hojo gains a lust for power, successfully takes over the Jenova Project, has Gast and Ifalna killed in order to kidnap Aeris when he learns Ifalna is a Cetra and Aeris is likely harboring genetic gold. Hojo also manages to steal Lucretia from Vincent. Lucretia gets pregnant with Sephiroth. Hojo is Sephiroth's biological father, and seeing the opportunity he injects Lucretia while Sephiroth's still in the womb with Jenova cells in order to attempt to create a child with super powers. He also injects Vincent with the cells, which is why he turns into a beast for his limit breaks. Lucretia gives birth to Sephiroth, having never even gotten to hold him, and both Vincent and Lucretia go into separate seclusion as abominations of Jenova. Vincent locks himself in the Shinra basement and Lucretia hides in the waterfall cave. At the end of disk 2 Hojo tries to fire the entire mako energy of Midgar directly at his son after realizing what Sephiroth's plan is, having summoned Meteor after he manipulates cloud to bring him the black materia. Since he created Sephiroth, he feels like Sephiroth's powers are an extension of himself. Hojo has even injected himself with Jenova by tha tpoint so perhaps it is Jenova herself who is manipulating Hojo, Sephiroth, and Cloud by that time

>>4765489
mistake: Hojo is head of Shinra's Dept of Science and Research, not weapons

>>4765359
the plot is goofy at times but makes sense to me. what are your issues with it?
i love ff7 but the base game is too easy so i replay it with hardmode patches.
im currently playing through the true necrosis mod.

>>4765489
>>4765482
Holy shit did you just write this on the spot?

Even did the Japanese su uwu

>>4765459
Owo not enough

>>4765483
Why would I lie? I'm almost 30

>>4765531
i wrote the second one on the spot, the other post is a diff anon

>>4765539
Still that's impressive tbqh

>>4765359
Carnage64 on twitch knows the story very well. I'm sure he could clear up any confusion for you... he's also one of the best speedrunners of the game and a swell lad

I wish ff7 had a new game+ mode.

>>4765618
New threat mod does well for that.

>>4765489
One correction.
Hojo was under Jenova's control the entire time.
He injected himself before Sephiroth's birth and it's very briefly mentioned by either Lucretia or Vincent.
So as far as we know Hojo was indeed not human from the get go.

>>4765503
mistake: Hojo was head of weapons and was promoted after Sephiroth was successfully created.

>>4765650
Scarlett was head of weapons

>>4765640
not sure about that
The text from the Hojo fight sounds like he just started doing it like, that day

>I... was defeated by my desire to become a scientist.
>I lost the last time as well.
>I've injected Jenova's cells into my own body!
>Heee, hee, hee!
>Here are...
>Heee, hee, hee!
>...my results!!

>now let's see how the Mako juice is reacting?

>>4765660

From that part I figured he'd probably done it long before that, but never got a proper chance to show off his Jenova power. Or, right after Red and Aeris escape their beast porn scene he decided to use himself as a research specimen, since most everyone else he'd used was either dead or in hiding.

>>4765359
so you've played ff7 every day for 12 years?

>>4766000
Hmm. .

>>4765489

Of course the plot is convoluted like that, but I was trying to provide a more brief synopsis for the sake of everyone's sanity. I actually didn't pay much attention as far as the complexity of relationships between Hojo, Jenova, Lucrecia, Aeris(th), etc. is concerned. At that point, I may as well be reading fan fiction.

>>4765359
I want to fuck tifa!

God I wish Tifa would shit down my throat

>>4765393
>Aerith
stopped reading there

>>4765359
I bet her clam smells fishy

Does anyone else find it weird that when Sephiroth kills President Shitra, he just leaves his sword in his back? Like, did he just unceremoniously come back for it at some point, or does he have like 20 of those things lying around in his closet that he got on wholesale? Or is it some abstract extension of his will, and the "sword" is just going to dematerialize after a while?

>>4765489
>>4765640
>perhaps it is Jenova herself who is manipulating Hojo, Sephiroth, and Cloud by that time
>Jenova
>controlling anyone
Wasn't a major point that it was Sephiroth who controlled Jenova, and not the other way around? Hence why Jenova's parts are drawn to the North Crater instead of the place where most of her cells were, i.e. to her headless body at Shinra HQ.
Not that I claim to have it all figured out, though.

What the fuck? I like the game but I can't even imagine being entertained enough by it to play it daily for over a decade

>>4770392
He bought another one at the sword shop.

>>4770432
Unfortunately, you're correct, which makes the storytelling way worse.

>>4765657
The games story takes place over thirty years before the current game plot.
At the time Hojo was head of weapons development while Hollander was head of research and development.
Hojo was promoted to head of research and development because of the superior Sephiroth which was created as a weapon at conception. Opposed to Hollander who created Genesis after birth.

So you're wrong.
Scarlett was promoted after Hojo and it's never mentioned at what point she was officially promoted.
We know Hojo was head of weapons, but at the time of Before Crisis he was head of research and development.

>>4765660
>>4770432
You guys have to understand Jenova is not a entity that thinks or feels. It's a literal virus much like The Thing (John Carpenter) That takes forms to better perform in a particular environment.
It has a feminine body when it was frozen, but it has no sex, it has no personality.
It consumes and moves on.
Sephiroth is delusional the entire story as are the triplets and anyone else with cognitive ability who was injected. While monsters just become crazed.
This is due to their somewhat human ability to try and rationalize things.
Jenova is the control, because at the end of the day the goal is the same. Consume the planets resources. When you're talking who's plans are what it really doesn't matter.

It is heavily implied Hojo was experimenting on everyone, including himself.
It is heavily implied that he was purposely influenced by Jenova to create Sephiroth by fucking Luc and injecting the child.
It's implied he left all his research notes in the mansion for Sephiroth to find on purpose and that the entire trip was a set up by Hojo so that Sephiroth would find out who he was.

I have no proof that Hojo directly injected himself until Midgar Cannon, but he was obviously obsessed with the idea of Jenova taking over the planet regardless.

>>4765359
This stupid thread is making me want to masturbate.

>>4770432
>>4770557
Now for you specifically.
This was Hojo's original theory.
The reunion theory states that anything injected with Jenova will try to amass to the strongest portion of Jenova.
Sephiroth is by far the strongest thing on the planet at the time of the games storyline. So all things injected with Jenova are obsessed with getting to him.
Cloud included, you can think you were making rational choices the entire game, but Cloud's narrative is off.
How much of the game's plot was simply influenced by a little voice in Cloud's ear saying "Hey you have to find Sephiroth, you have to get to him." not for the reason to stop him, but to be one with him.

The final point and this is the big twist.
Sephiroth is in fact Jenova. As I previously stated Jenova is like a virus and has no personality. Sephiroth's insanity is his rational human brain trying to make sense of everything and justify it.
At the end of the day there is no Sephiroth, not really as there is no Cloud.
They are Jenova.
Kadaj even goes as far as to call Cloud brother, because he understands better than anyone that Cloud is the same as him.
They are all Jenova.
One of the reasons Cloud can not get over the events of the game and move on is he has been permanently changed by Jenova's cells.
Sephiroth even tells him he will never be just a memory, which heavily implies that even if they destroy every portion of Jenova. Sephiroth/Jenova will always literally be a part of Cloud genetically.
He will always be a vessel for destruction and any child he has will have Jenova's cells. Meaning he can never be truly intimate with a woman out of fear of creating another Sephiroth.

Now i'm sure they tried to make it seem alright after Advent Children's ending, but Cloud seems to still understand the danger.
He isn't emo, he is trying to protect everyone on the planet and it's a sad lonely job.

I've never played FFVII but this lore is pretty cool

I remember playing the shit out of this as a kid. I've tried several times to get back into it but I can never seem to get past disc 1, I always lose interest after Aerith's death.

Now I'm replaying on PC, and I realized I don't know what the fuck is happening in disc 2 lol, I don't remember this at all. For some reason I thought I actually did beat this game once. Isn't there a Weapon at the bottom of an ocean? Am I remembering something else? Either way this is the furthest I've gotten since I was a kid, at least.

>>4767109
I thought that was the whole point of the game

>>4765359
It's a story of a blood feud between two twinks: one who's an ecoterrorist who got possessed by an alien parasite and another is a military academy dropout who turned against Shinra out of spite.

>>4765359

the only part of the story I actually enjoyed was the marginal toying with cloud's sanity as he remember the events in Nibelheim from before, and how Tifa humored him because she didn't know how he knew.

it was a good reveal IMO because we had been left wondering about cloud's sanity with the way things were twisting around chasing sephiroth and the jenova reveals.


the rest of the plot, ehh......and the stupid chocobo breeding....that belongs in the dump with Legend of Mana's smithing...

>>4771735
chocobo breeding is entirely optional tho

>>4771096
Yes, Emerald Weapon is an optional super boss that you can find in the bottom of the ocean after you get the submarine.

>>4771087
Meh. It's just an edgier Lavos.

>>4772636
Lavos?

>>4765359
There really is something cathartic about this game. I can believe that you play it daily because I play it at least a couple of times a week. Since 1997. It's not even that good, but it just clicks something.

Technically nothing makes sense in the first disk either, because everything it tells you & the characters believe - is wrong. Plenty of games have twists but I don't think any go quite as far as FF7 to teach you a nearly entirely incorrect story right through to late game.

>>4772803
>tripfag
>pretending not to know chrono trigger.

that's some bait.

>>4770392
That wasn't Sephiroth because he was still encased in a bunch of Mako at the time

>>4772803
Whew lad

>>4765393
You made some mistakes:
1) Jenova is braindead. It's Kars in Space, braindead due to millennia of being sealed while conscious, but still acts on an instinct to gather its pieces.

2) Gast discovered Jenova, and through it was a Cetra.

3) Most SOLDIER are just showered with MAKO, only a few who were compatible got Jenova cells.

4) Sephiroth is in full control of Jenova's cells. His will is stronger.

5) Weapons are planetary antibodies. They attack anything deemed harmful.

6) Sephiroth's plan was to cause a near-fatal wound to the planet with Meteor, and be at the center of it to absorb and take control of the lifestream, allowing him to do what Jenova did, turn it into a vehicle to crash into ANOTHER planet and repeat the process.

>>4773083
In the Northern Crater? Or from his fall in Nibelheim?

>>4773125
All right but the last. Seph just wanted to be the LORD.

>>4773407

>>4773418
The filth is a nice touch. I bet she smells like the slums.

>>4773176
I think his body fell into the Lifestream at Nibel and ended up at the Northern Crater where there was the highest concentration.

>>4773407
>tifa wears shorts but most fanart has her in a miniskirt

>>4773418
I came to this one

>>4773418
That's a nice fat pussy

>>4773125
Pretty sure all Soldier get the Mako/Jenova treatment, Cloud seems to suggest as such when he remembers who he really is and explains the situation.

>>4773418
>tfw you realize there exist real women like this
>tfw you will never have one

>>4774057
Just looked again and she doesn't wear shorts at all. It's taken me 20 years to realise this.

>>4765531
>Why would I lie? I'm almost 30
I'm 29. Final Fantasy VII came out in 1997 so I was 8 when it came out. I ddin't cal myself almost 30 when I was 26

>>4774095
I have no words anon

>>4773418
THOSE GLORIOUS SQUISHY THIGHS

>>4773418

Her tits need to be a bit bigger. But not bad.

I shouldn't love final fantasy 7 as much as I do

>>4765359
I think i will never get over my crush for Tifa. It has been +20 years and I still fap for her sometimes.

>>4769630
It's the right spelling and the pronunciation barely changes.

>>4775603
The literal translation would be aerisu. I have no clue why there's even such a debate on general. Obv square prefers aerith. Aeris is nicer imo tho

>>4772942
I know final fantasy.
Idk Chrono trigger at all. I've played like 90percent of the game 13 years ago but that's it

>>4770567
Sounds like a bit of headcanon based on an old concept for FFVII where Jenova was actually a parasitic/symbiotic set of cells in every human, which ended up carrying over to Mitochondria in Parasite Eve

>>4773407
face looks too gooky here

>>4775892
Fag

>>4773435
I bet her clam smells like the slums

>>4776813

>tfw no tifa cosplay gf with Four Slots to defile

>>4776974
Based

>>4776805
I want her tits

>>4776117
what do you mean 'fag', she looks like gook D.va cosplayers

>>4778621
So

>>4776974
Four?

>>4779916
>Selphie vs Yuffie

>>4775884
It's exactly that.
Sephiroth may still be Sephiroth and have a personality and desires, but none of us will ever know how much of this personality is Jenova's influence over him.
It's impossible to know because they never discuss it in game. It's briefly mentioned at places like The Ship boss battle after leaving Junon. It's briefly mentioned when Hojo discusses his theories in game, but it's never cemented.
Advent Children kind of goes into it, but as well all know what is considered cannon in game and what is considered cannon in a series is entirely different.
In AC all of the people of the world are being sickened with Geostigma, the reason for this is Jenova had been kept in a frozen controlled state and contained until the events at Shinra Tower where Sephiroth takes her.
As the events take place Jenova is tainting everything on the planet and eventually tainting the very planet itself.
By AC it's a plague and eventually the entire world will become a huge Jenova host body regardless of what Kadaj and the others do.
Now in regards to The Triplets, Cloud, and Sephiroth.
All of them are Jenova on a cellular level. They have bonded with her cells and therefore bend to her will (with the exception of Cloud). Now Cloud is constantly fighting Jenova/Seph's influence and I'm assuming this is why he also gets afflicted with geostigma. Since anyone who was working for Jenova's plans would probably not get sick.
This part is exactly as you said, like Eve and Aya from PE. Eve knows for a fact Aya is just like her, but is working against her and even tries to kill her.
Anyways.
Seph may be the dominate personality now, but it doesn't matter because you can think of Jenova more as a race than a personality.
As long as someone with Jenova's cells lives. She wins and the personality really doesn't matter.
You could theorize Sephiroth would eventually just become like her (I always liked to think he would look like Bizarro Seph) after an eon of destroying planets.

>>4780054
true true

>>4776805
3d is gross

>>4765359
The story is great

>>4781790
Not really

>>4765359
I want Tifa to kick me in the seeds with her big round boot

>>4765452
>button not fastened
>zipper unzipped
how do yuffie's pants stay up anyway

>>4765359

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand FFVII. The story expansion is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of reality and the story most of the nuances will go over a typical gamer's head. There's also Sephiroth's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Frankfurter School literature, for instance.
The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of the story, to realise that they're not just characters in a FF franchise game - they say something deep about LIFE.
As a consequence people who dislike FFVII and prefer other FF games, truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Barrett existential catchphrase "Fuk Dis Sheet Mang!" which itself is a cryptic reference to Iceberg Slims American epic Life Of A Pimp.
I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion at this level of genius storytelling within a game unfolds itself on their television screens.

And also trying to bring Aerith back to life.
What fools.. how I pity them.

And yes, by the way, i DO have a Tifa & Yuffie tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they've beaten FFVII at least five times (preferably full playthroughs) beforehand.
Nothin personnel kid.

>>4784112
>look ma i posted it again

>>4784170
What was it

>>4771087
The lore is great. If you like reading about it, play it.

>>4784893
Rick and morty copypasta FF7 version

>>4765359
>>4765393
>>4765482
>>4765489
I've read all this shit before in an identical thread, is this a bot?

>>4770432
>this thing again

Jenova is the Id.
Sephiroth the man is the Superego.
Sephiroth, the Angel, is the Ego.

Nobody is "in control." They became a monster. Sephiroth and Jenova became a mind named "Sephiroth." The whole thing is a remnant from the brainstorming that turned into Xenogears.

>>4785559
No, this is simple ignorance
Jenova was the Father
Sephiroth the man was the Son
Sephiroth the Angel was the Holy Spirit
the death of Aeris was her transubstantiation into the ineffable living flesh of the planet through the miracle of the lifestream
her burial in the water was an allegory for the burial in the cave incorporating the baptismal imagery
Cait Sìth's role here is more akin to the Apostle Paul
Tifa's role could be seen as that of Maria Magdalena because she is also a whore
Cloud on the other hand, is very clearly a stand-in for the Blessed Santa Maria in the way that he cradles the mortal body of the savior (Aeris) and the fact that like Holy Mary, he also was destined to remain a virgin for the rest of his life

>>4785720
I'm talking functionally, not metaphorically. Sephiroth's the identity and ideas while Jenova's the desires and driving needs.

>>4785775
What do you mean

>>4786614
He's analyzing final fantasy seven from within the conceptual framework developed by a pseudoscientist and charlatan whose life work has thoroughly and totally debunked.
>Zephiroth's rage comes from a desire to possess hiz own mother and yuffie's materia theft iz an example of the anal fixation

>>4785521
I wrote the one ending in 482 and can verify that, although I do I have blunt affect, I am not a bot.

>>4785720
>Sephiroth the Angel was the Holy Spirit
That doesn't work because the Holy Spirit is the 'identity' of the church in Christianity. The Holy Spirit would be more like the clones with Jenova cells having their reunion, and they're being reintegrated with the Father/Jenova by having communion through the Son/Sephiroth

I haven't played FF7 in so long and I can't remember what the characters were like, was Tifa assertive or more shy?

>>4780013
Selphie has some really devastating magic in her slot limit. She can defeat Omega or the last boss with 1 The End...why on Earth did they include a skill like that?

Also Selphie is so violent in the story. She's all about blowing shit up and skinning Moombas alive.

>>4765489
> is the last surviving member of the Cetra, the people who defeated and contained Jenova 2000 years ago

This is an FFVII spin-off game I actually want to play!

>>4786845
No, that's an interesting and underdeveloped part of the lore. What we really need is nonsensical action-RPG centered around a character we already know everything about. Also, let's throw in a bunch of apocryphal characters that resemble Sephiroth. While we're at it, how about a game about the vampire?

>>4765482
I always thought the Tiny Bronco thing was weird. What the fuck use does a two-seater hobby plane have to a massive military?

>>4765452
Yuffie is cute. CUTE!

>>4786867
I looked up the script to see if there was anything illuminating:

>I want to borrow the Tiny Bronco. We're going after Sephiroth. But seems like we've been going in the wrong direction. But now, we think we know where he's headed. But, we have to cross the ocean. That's why we want your plane...

Yeah, I don't know. I guess the toilet on the Highwind was broken that week or something.

>>4786889
How was Rufus and his Executives even traveling up to that point? Did they take cars through Mt Nibelheim? Also don't they have ships?
They ended up taking the Highwind to the North Cave anyway so all that is literally just a big fat plot hole.

>this part where the Sephiroth specter descends into this esoteric pool and it looks like he's taking a dip in the hot tub

>>4786997
They took that boat from Junon to Costa del Sol, but after that I guess they just hoofed it

>>4786997
Yeah. You play through the game up until that point learning the following things:

1. Your enemy is technologically sophisticated and the source of all the world's fossil fuels
2. They own at least one cargo ship that is capable of making a transcontinental journey
3. They own at least one helicopter as shown in Costa del Sol and Gongaga
4. They are capable of making airborne railway systems (Gold Saucer)
5. They made a rocket, which is like three tech categories above airplane

Like, even if you just hand-wave the Highwind for literally any far-fetched reason at all, it's still ridiculous.

>>4786806
Kind of a mix, like the stuff with Don Corneo and bitch slapping Scarlet makes her seem assertive but then she refuses to call out Cloud on his bullshit which isn't assertive at all

>>4787024
totally forgot about that lego helicopter, they might have secret bases you never see
it's something they'll have to fix in the remake

>>4787024
The highwind is just a zeppelin man, 1920's technology
What is so ridiculous other than the tensile strength of Tifa's bra underwire?

>>4787028
>woman refusing to call out a man she likes on his bullshit
the one realistic plotline in the game

>>4787035
Granted, as far as I understand general things in life, you wouldn't take a helicopter over the ocean, but if a nation has helicopters they probably have regular fucking planes, especially when they're like full-on heavy metal helicopters and not some ramshackle piece of shit out of a da Vinci workbook.

>>4787045
well, the real plot hole there is the orthopedic underwear

>>4787028
What is there to call out? Tifa could be the one with the faulty memory, she was knocked out too. All she can do is follow Cloud to see where it all leads.

>>4787076
At least bring it up.
"Hey Cloud, I remember that differently, let's compare notes" she couldn't even do that.

>>4787085
I think the idea is like a combination of trying not to sandbag him in front of the party/trying not to shatter his ego all at once and hoping he figures it out/not being entirely sure herself because it involves a traumatic memory.

>>4787085
This is after the fact. People don't behave like your spreadsheets.

All the shit they pull regarding Jenova cells and their power over people is such lazy storytelling, and it raises more questions than it answers.

The Temple of the Ancients is a self-sufficient mechanism for protecting the Black Materia from being stolen and misused. Sephiroth wants it, but he can't get to it because it's so far removed from him. Well, wouldn't it be interesting if the party delivered it to him, personally? Yeah, that'd be a fun twist. How will he accomplish it? Jenova cells. Apparently the psychic function of this organic system is so powerful that it can basically confer near-complete mind control at least in short bursts, and influences their will otherwise. Now this is in the form of a virus, meaning it should be contagious; this is how Jenova destroyed the Cetra. But in the present day (i.e. during the course of the game), it's pretty much limited to whoever was selectively injected by Hojo.

So Reeve sacrifices one of his Cait Sith bots to procure it—why, we really don't know, because once you know the truth about the temple it should be pretty obvious that it's safe from Sephiroth. Considering anything Cetra-related should be a hotbed for the Jenova virus and that he should be able to exert Jenova's will over any type of creature given that Jenova is an alien lifeform and appears to be "compatible" with anything (human, Cetra), I don't know why this is such a fucking problem for him, but we'll let that one go. You get the Black Materia and Cloud immediately hands it over. At no point during this does anyone try to intervene or speak out.

And apparently just handing the Black Materia over to the Sephiroth apparition is enough to spell game over, although apparently not because he can't just beam the thing back to the North Crater, he seems to have all this trouble carting it there, but the chain of custody is riddled with all these roadblocks and gaps in the timeline and takes all these unnecessary steps back as you make your way there.

>>4787264
>why, we really don't know, because once you know the truth about the temple it should be pretty obvious that it's safe from Sephiroth

They say why in the game. Sephiroth could easily get one of his flunkies to go in and do it

>>4787094
also we should remember that they were both orphaned when their remaining parent was killed in the event that caused cloud's mind to fold in half, and that Tifa being unconscious didn't have a clear memory of what happened other than cloud, zack, and sephiroth disappearing and herself being grievously wounded and needing long physical and probably mental recuperation after seeing her father slain and her town incinerated before her eyes.
And then 4 years later Cloud, her childhood friend, shows up thinking he's zack and seems to have no memory of zack.
Tifa's enormous breasts clearly indicate that she is a sensitive person with motherly instincts so she knows better than to go up and slap him on the back and rip apart he coping mechanism he has developed to maintain his sanity because she knows she had to go through something similar after the incident. Also I don't remember if she knew that he had spent 4 fucking years locked inside a glass tube getting probed and experimented on by hojo but if she had any suspicion about what had happened to him she would probably cut him some slack and go along with his delusion because it would be worth it to have her oldest and closest living friend back

>>4787276
Why didn't he, and why then did they show one of said flunkies failing miserably at the entrance?

>>4787378
My guess is he didn't know about the puzzle thing and thought he could just go in and take the black materia himself

>>4773125
>Kars in space

Man that was a great way to go. I mean it fucking sucked for Kars but it was a pretty smart way to get rid of him at that point.

Jenova is sexy as fuck, though.

>>4765359
>ywn see denise milani in tifa cosplay
How do i cope lads

>>4786812
It's obvious that you're grinning as you post that. Is all of this what you'd prefer, really? You know me, can't into waits. Gotta get things done.
>dousing doujin discussions determined dirty for later in the day

>>4770432
Jenova was in control but then Advent Children came along, the canon got fucked.

>>4787898
Nice

>>4786997
They used a gold chocobo

Fort Condor is one of the most retarded sidequests in the history of gaming.

It lets you do 15 battles in total from the first time you get there to the final one during the Huge Materia quest. It unlocks the battles incrementally, but the pacing is completely fucked.

After you fight the first battle, you can then continue the story in Junon. The second battle triggers just before you get in the water, so you have to run back there and do the battle. Then, after you get in the water, but before you actually jump with the dolphin, ANOTHER battle becomes available.

Later, another one triggers in a very strange window between the little events in Rocket Town. It's basically smack dab in the middle of all the dialogs, so there's no logical time to think there might be a new battle.

Toward the end of the disc, you have to fight battles before you use the Lunar Harp, after you use the Lunar Harp but before sleeping in the ancient city, and then after sleeping but before you go watch Aeris die.

Granted you only need to fight 7 of these to get the last semi-novel item (Superball, a Yuffie weapon that is strong for disc 1 but in no way unique), so it's sort of like who cares, but still, what the fuck were they thinking?

>>4773125
This post contains all the truth.

>>4789107
I never understood it either

Why is Tifa so much more likable than other Final Fantasy chicks?

>>4789276
Tits tbqh

>>4774071
Jenova experiments had tattoos. This guy are sick, dummy.

>>4785720
>Tifa's role could be seen as that of Maria Magdalena because she is also a whore

>>4789107
>what the fuck were they thinking?

>I want people to play this game for literally fucking ever.

>>4789276
queer

>>4789309
it must be heavy to walk around wearing a carpet

>>4789298
>Hojo's plan to clone Sephiroth wasn't that difficult.
>It was just the same procedure they use when creating members of SOLDIER.
>You see, someone in SOLDIER isn't simply exposed to Mako energy.
>Their bodies are actually injected with Jenova cells......

The Tattoos were Hojo's experiments with Sephiroth's cells

>>4775645
>weebs trying to sound smart

The name "Aerith" is a play on from the word "earth." Sorry buddy but just because the Japanese call coffee "CAFUISU BAKA DESU CHING CHONG" doesn't make it the bottom line.

>>4790034
It was aerisu if we're being literal

>>4790830
I think you mean earisu

>>4765359
>tfw you will never pretend to trip and fall on Tifa and quickly motorboat her tiddies before she recoils in disgust and does a backflip heel kick to crush the back of your skull with the steel plate on the heel of her shoe leaving you to die a happy man with his eyes bulging out of his head from the intracranial pressure

>>4791086
Hot

>>4789307
Fort condor was based

>>4792923
10 Final Fantasy threads in the first three rows (10 out of 15 since the sticky doesn't count), seven of them from FFVII.
This has gone far beyond "waaaa don't talk about games I don't like", this shit's borderline /ff/ or /ffvii/, and it's allowed.

>>4783264
her ass is permanently clenched

>>4793263
Hot

>>4793263
>tfw old flight sim fag and always wondered offhand if matra magic was named after the actual missile called matra magic
>saw this pic and looked it up and apparently it was unless wikia is lying to me yet again
on another note how does everyone pronounce her name? The Japanese pronunciation is like "yew-fee" but it's much more fun to say it so it rhymes with "puffy"

>>4794949
The former. I had a friend in middle school who pronounced all the names hilariously, including that way with Yuffie.

Sephiroth was "Seppyroth"
Tifa was "tie-fa"
Vincent he dropped the n for some reason

In fairness we all fucked up Cait Sith.

>>4765359
The game was dumb op

>>4794963
>Vincent he dropped the n for some reason
Which one?

>>4789484
That's a silk cape, wouldn't be heavy at all

>>4796593
...oh, there are two. The first one.

>>4788647
No, Jenova is dead. Hojo thought the Reunion would draw all her cells back to Shinra HQ but they instead went to North Crater where Sephiroth is, because he's in control.
This is like one of the most major plot points in the entire game, how did you miss that? It's reiterated at least three times, man.

>>4796605
Vicent is an actual name in Spanish, though. Perhaps in your friend's headcanon his name is Vicente Valentino.

>>4796629
Vicent Ferrer

>>4773435
I bet she has skid marks in those panties

>>4796758
Those wash out

>>4797107
Freak

>>4798098
low physical activity anon detected

FF7's minigames fucking suck, every single one of them.

Submarine game that you literally win within about ten seconds if you don't have fetal alcohol syndrome
Snowboarding game that just consists of a fuckton of crashing
Broken RTS where you only need three of the units and can just spawn your shit wherever the fuck you want
Rock-paper-scissors version of Punch-Out with no skill involved
Motorcycle chase where the pursuers are chicken-shit and don't even approach you if you're even mildly aggressive
Bullshit basketball
Disgusting Moogle VN where you just feed him a bunch of nuts
Chocobo racing where most of the work is done in raising the fucking things (which is aggravating), in the actual race you just hold the shoulder buttons and the dash button

The only one that's kind of functional is the Speed Square, but then again I could just play God damn Star Fox.

Absolutely bite me.

>>4798892
I one hundred percent agree with this lmao. The speed square is fun as fuck but completely unnecessary for anything.

Battle square is fun

>>4798892
yeah, we better have FFXIII without any single minigame, that's not taxing/tedious/boring at all.

>>4798892
>Snowboarding game that just consists of a fuckton of crashing

git gud faggot

Honestly, I've only ever beaten 7 once. I usually get really bored by the end of disc 1 or early disc 2 and drop it, then a few years later try agian. I don't remember much of the story from the when I beat it decades ago, but I really don't get the praise 7 gets. Even in disc 1 all of the villains aside from Sephiroth are just goofy and the dialogue isn't that good. FF7 is really rough around the edges and not nearly as amazing as people make it out to be.

I'm actually interested in seeing what the remake does to flesh everything out more, but it seems more like vaporware at this point.

>>4798892
No, your opinion is just horrible. Its quite easy to guage the intelligence of a person by the garbage spewed out of their mouths. The only bad mini game in ff7 is the basketball game and even thats doable if youre not a absolute jigaboo bitch, but it seems you are.

>>4799497
No FF has good dialogue so I don't know what you were expecting.

i would have been okay with the game if it had just taken place in Midgar. the rest of what happens in the game isn't as interesting, anyway.

I can't get into JRPGs in general but FF7 seems to be the worst offender for shit I hate
>Filler out of the ass with at least half the game consisting of events that don't really have much to do with or progress the main story
>Mandatory grinding
>Mandatory grinding in an irrelevant filler minigame
>Great optional and hidden items you could easily miss with no indicator of where they are or how to obtain them
>When flower bitch dies you lose whatever gear she had instead of it being returned to your inventory

I don't think these types of games appeal to me personally.

>>4799519
Fag

>>4774097
Are you retarded?

>>4799525
>Mandatory grinding
at no time true

>Great optional and hidden items you could easily miss with no indicator of where they are or how to obtain them
Actually, FF7 is pretty good with hard missables, not like FF9. Most of them are so in the open you basically have to try to miss them, like the Steal materia, the items in the first Crater visit, or Leviathan Scales.

>>4799525
Literally everything you said is complete bullshit. Less than a quarter of the game consists of stuff that has no relation to the story, it's the easiest game of the series barring Mystic Quest, I'm assuming you're talking about Chocobo Racing and it's only mandatory once and there's no grinding for it, there's nothing in the game you can't go back and get with an airship or gold saucer even on the third disc, and any materia and equipment you had on any party member (including Aeris) is returned to you any time they're removed from the party. It's like you didn't even play the game and are just spouting off complete bullshit.

>>4800112
>gold saucer

Meant to say "gold chocobo"

>>4800112
Materia is removed when they leave the party temporarily, but not equipment. Although I think Aerith's is when she dies.

I don't care for 7 but yeah all those complaints are bullshit.

>>4799525
Mandatory grinding? Have you tried not following a guide online on braindead strategies that take most of your time grinding? Have you tried using your head? There are many games out there where if you're somewhat creative you can handle yourself without spamming the same overpowered shit over and over until the game ends or grinding endlessly to get such thing. So many people evade everything and just go for the timewasting option, end up not having much fun and complain about it like it's the only fucking option. Learn to play JRPGs.

>>4800112
>and any materia and equipment you had on any party member (including Aeris) is returned to you any time they're removed from the party.
>materia
yep
>equipment
nope, except for accessories
bye-bye Princess Guard
it's okay though, she deserved to take it with her

>>4800183
Why would you even use Aerith in your party to begin with?

>>4800015
... I missed the Leviathan Scales.

>>4800185
She's the only straight-up mage in the game.

Until >>4773391 happens, that is.

>>4799525
>not leaving a set of crap gear on Aeris before Demons Gate

>>4800190
Just slap all your materia on literally anyone else and make them the mage just as effectively. FF7 is mind-numbingly easy so it's not like you need to overly specialize.

>>4774097
I'm 26 and I call myself nearing 30

>>4800602
>tfw 30 and call myself 26

It's funny how the Japanese version of Barret was actually less racist than ours.

>>4801150
Bitch

>>4787378
He wanted Cloud to do it

>>4787346
You got it wrong. Cloud was comatose due to the experimentation and the fake personality was made the moment he met Tifa.

>>4788647
The game says Sephiroth was just using Jenova's corpse while his real body was healing

>>4800190
Cloud is the second best mage. All his stats are above average too

>>4787276
That part was a massive translation error/cut dialogue situation. Before the red dragon boss Sephiroth was to describe how summon materia was made, alluding to the red dragon, and possibly the wall monster right afterwards as actually being summon materia left in the temple specifically made to guard it.

>>4773391
this picture is intriguing but reverse image search isn't helping

I never played this game but is it true the main dude gets gangbanged by a bunch of guys in a hot tub?

>>4789276
>>4789285

>the mental gymnastics you have to go through to accept the part where Tifa opens the restraint around her wrist by twisting a key with her teeth

>>4802194
I hate celes

>>4803274
She's good with her body

>>4803274
Nothing in FF7 sets itself up to be taken remotely seriously. Just look at Shinra, the supposed villains for a good chunk of the game beside Sephiroth. Every single one of them was a goofy caricature of a villain. More than any other FF, 7 is basically a Disney movie when it comes to plotting and dialogue.

>>4805389
I wouldn't say "nothing." There's terrorism, civilians dying, party members dying. Most of the dramatic elements are played straight, if occasionally peppered with slapfights and whatnot.

>>4805389
It literally had a murder and an the honeybee inn speaks for itself

>>4765359
Try the Because retranslation/relocalization mod.
http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=14914.msg209227#msg209227

>>4805389
I can cherry pick too. FF7 wasn't any less goofy than any other FF.

>>4802109
Requested in a draw thread what RPG characters would look like at 1 HP, suggesting maybe Aeris with her eye hanging out. Guro drawfag responded with 0 HP Aeris, and killed it (or her, I guess).

>>4807068
Based

>>4806190
Ff6 was a masterpiece

>>4808783
No it wasnt

>>4802194
best girl

>>4802174
only if you take the path where you try to become an extremely convincing trap

i am 100% serious

>>4809894
yes it was

>>4810161
No