/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[05-19] Demon Counter Strike 0.05c
http://static.allfearthesentinel.net/wads/demoncounterstrike-v0.05c.pk3

[05-18] More QCDE stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndYu4jTqbf8

[05-18] Champions v2.0
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=60456&p=1052735#p1052735

[05-14] ZScript tutorial: create a monster duplication addon
https://www.bitchute.com/video/zuz0EZxygDuU/

[05-13] Datanon's extension of his first ZScript tutorial, an advanced example of turning DECORATE into more ZS style code
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/4765556/#4769745

[05-13] Colorful Hell update to 0.931; a new optional hard tier and filling up more
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980&start=615#p1053912

[05-11] Datanon's ZScript Tutorials
https://www.bitchute.com/profile/ObFVcYVZSoSQ/

[05-11] AMC TC Episode 3 Trailer
https://youtu.be/zjEbwtg2luo

[05-10] TTS sound effects, available through a download
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC4F9tQWKOU

[05-08] Deep learning AI generating Doom maps
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/611072/ai-generates-new-doom-levels-for-humans-to-play/

[05-04] Champions, a compatibility-friendly monster variant mod, now 1.2
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=60456

[05-03] Anon's ZScript video tutorials
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/4744020/#4748086

[04-30] PROJECT ILE version 0.23 released
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/4741726
http://www.mediafire.com/file/e52z704ui56acjm/Project%20ILE.rar

[04-27] Powerslave EX Revival "not far" according to lead developer
https://twitter.com/SVKaiser/status/989945964831105024

[04-27] Further details of upcoming DOOM movie
https://geektyrant.com/news/doom-reboot-reportedly-has-a-director-and-lead

[04-26] FreeDoom maps, as PWADs
https://mega.nz/#F!j0cgkJKT!QXo16jxgK1iQf-92Sx1gdA

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>>4785224
Add Doom hi-res pack

http://www.moddb.com/games/doom/addons/doom-lowpoly-mod

>>4784572
A palette conversion error, he was gonna have brown hair, but it came out green, and they decided "You know what? Let's keep it, his hair is green now."

As for in-story explanation, maybe he's been exposed to chemicals? Or maybe being possessed by evil spirits fucks with your pigments, baldie has green eyebrows, for instance.
But on the other hand, chaingunner has dark facial hair that looks normal.

>>4785234
Please don't.

Has anyone made a Battle Royale mod for Doom?

>>4785234
Ick.

>>4785234
I don't think so, Ivan Nopixelski.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvSX6StQivU
Thoughts?

>>4785234
Please fuck off

>>4785234
Looks pretty cool...I'll give it a try.

>>4785260
Why are you so rude? This HD pack turns Doom into a modern indie game. Looks even better than Dusk.

>>4785263
Look, I like it and all, but you're making it sound much more than its really worth

>>4785263
You will get knocked the fuck out playing with me, man

>>4785263
>Looks even better than Dusk
That's barely a compliment.

>>4785263
We don't take kind to your kind around here.

>>4785263
>This HD pack turns Doom into a modern indie game
That's a bad thing.

>>4785263
You do this in every thread lately; give it a break.

>>4785249
I think it won't work with DOOM. Running speed is too high/maps supported by the engines are too small.

>>4785274
Have you even played it? It's not like shitty crap JDoom or Risen3D HD packs. It's based on GZDoom, so it comes with gory and bloody mods.

>>4785263
Try selling this to /v/. I don't think you'll find anyone who'll buy your product here.

>>4785298
Why I should go there? It's still Doom, still retro style just more Quake-like. It deserves to be here.

>>4785310
I'm also here for a reason. I want to add some scripts to this HD pack to make Doom feel more modern.

So I request:
1) Scripts of camera shaking during explosions.
2) Changing fov for a second while shooting like in Half-Life.
3) Sparks when shooting.

Is there any mods where I can find those scripts? I don't know anything about coding yet.

>>4785310
Speaking of quake-like, When are there going to be 3D doom models that actually look quake-like and not like a terrible unreal1 model.

>>4785320
>1) Scripts of camera shaking during explosions.
A_QuakeEx
>Changing fov for a second while shooting like in Half-Life.
A_ZoomFactor
>Sparks when shooting.
Make your projectiles or puffs(i.e hitscan impacts) spawn spark actors upon death, or alternatively A_SpawnParticle which is less flexible but has good performance.

>>4785310
>It's still Doom, still retro style just more Quake-like.
Somehow that insults both Doom and Quake alike.

>>4785263
>>4785310
>a modern indie game
>Looks even better than Dusk
>more Quake-like
Quake has nothing to do with that atrocity you are making and neither is Unreal. Slapping together a pack of HD textures, shitty 3D models and a bunch of shaders doesn't make a game made in 1993 look better.

>>4785234
>chromatic aberration

>>4785297
Around here, we like our pixels, we like em' crunchy and square.

>>4785339
So In Half-life when you shoot from pistol the camera quickly goes up and back to the place. So how do I make the same think in Doom? Is it like a script stored in DECORATE file which is stored in pk3/zip archive?

I think this would make shooting more alive.

PS: It's stupid that I can't attach any videos here. On russian 2ch it's 40MB webm/mp4 storage and 4 instead of only 1 here.

>>4785263

Is it possible to make an open-world game in the Doom engine? I've been noticing that a lot of TC mods that claim to have a large world are still separated into separate maps connected by a hub.

>>4785371
I did something like that in vid related. It's not actually changing the FoV though, it's simply a smooth change of the view pitch.

>Is it like a script stored in DECORATE file which is stored in pk3/zip archive?
Yes. Look up wildweasels "gunlabs" tutorials. However I strongly suggest moving over to zscript (it has virtually the exact same syntax and commands as decorate, but offers a lot more) ASAP. There are conversion guides, and decorate tutorials will help you with zscript too.

>>4785380
That could be used in that VR gzdoom, so it will be not mouse driven.

>>4785376
Not a seamless one, unless it isn't all that large. You can technically do like two square kilometers, but because Doom uses a BSP map format you'll get abysmal performance eventually.

>>4785380
>that slick as fuck animation is solely done with TEXTURES
Every time man. God. I'd kill for a variant of Doomshock that uses regular controls, cus the guns are SO good.

>>4785376
There are some very large GZDoom maps out there, but some of them do run like ass. Didn't Cyberrunner itself get fucked over by engine limitations? Either way it's probably a lot more reasonable to have interconnected maps ala Hexen or Strife, but I do have to wonder if something like TES wouldn't be too farfetched, having a fairly big map for the overworld and transitioning into smaller maps for interiors.

Dunno how you'd handle actors and monsters though.

>>4785390
and again, anyone is welcome to rip the sprites out when it's released :P

If there was a zscript menus for retards guide out there I could actually finish it soon-ish

HEY GUYS.
WHAT IF
SOMEONE MADE A MOD
WHERE EVERY MONSTER AND MARINE
is CalArts?

sorry not sorry

>>4785358
Perhaps one of the worst trends in modern games and art.
I'm very thankful that Doom 4 and Shadow Warrior 2013 let me turn it off, even on console, some games won't let you do that.

Artists applying it on completed pictures is bad enough; NO, making the picture look like it's taken with an extremely shitty camera doesn't make Cammy's titties look sexier or more real, please stop!
Worse is when someone puts it on a pencil sketch.

>>4785391
>Didn't Cyberrunner itself get fucked over by engine limitations?
That was pre floating point conversion. The thing that doubled the max map size and increased precision for many things

>>4785380
Nice. Can you share a script of that? But without player moving back once he has shot. Just quick up/back to the place.

And I'll try to steal shaking during explosions and sparks from Beautiful Doom. Don't know how I'm gonna do it though, I'm dumb in coding, I don't know even how to steal lol.

>>4785396
>Worse is when someone puts it on a pencil sketch
I fucking loathe that. There are even otherwise skilled artists who do that shit.

>>4785395
Don't jinx it you cunt. If this becomes a thing I will hunt you down.

>>4785403
I await your arrival.

>>4785376
It'd be really bothersome and memory intensive, separating it into large hubmaps is far more practical, plus you wouldn't need any special scripts to change music and stuff.
If you wanna see why really huge uninterrupted maps are bothersome, try Planisphere 2 or Memorial.

>>4785401
Looking up the internals of mods (well coded ones, don't try learning from brutal doom or you'll be sorry) is how people typically learn to do these things in the first place.

I can post a few lines, but they won't tell you much until you read some decorate/zscript tutorials and learn the basics.

>>4785391
I think the issue with Cyberrunner was that you'd move so incredibly fast, that not only were most existing maps too small and cramped for gameplay to work, but even with sufficiently large maps, you were so fast that GZDoom got really weird and glitchy, it couldn't keep up with the player.

>>4785418
Huh?

Is it possible to fix that lighting bleeding?
Also what are better lighting settings.
I'm using Zandronum because of mod.

One detail i always liked about the older Doom games is the sounds produced by moving platformers, because it can range from doors going "Whoop" "Weeew" to crushers making a long "brrrrrrrrrr" sound.

>>4785430
was meant to be something for another thread, from another board and i got distracted into uploading it here

>>4785431
By defining attenuated lights.
>Zandronum
then nope, you can't.

>>4785431
What mod?

>>4785431
>Zandronum
My condolences.

>>4785434
C-can you link the image, she looked cute?

>>4785439
it's on /cm/

>>4785438
>>4785437
>>4785436
Forced to use because of Death and Decay. Obviously I would just use GZDoom.

Oh well, that sucks.

>>4785443
Maybe there is another mod similar to that AND preferable could transfer its data between wads?

>>4785440
>/cm/
O-oh.

Hey guys, been a while, and after seeing some streams of Kegan, i wanted to try something similar.
Il note that its inconpleted, it has just one frame but im thinking of adding more.

>>4785460
Looks cool, was it inspired by that one weapkn mod from Xaser?

>>4785460
Tell us more.

>>4785462
Yup, Eriance/Amuscaria Does amazing shit.
>>4785465
What else i can say, im gonna try to make that other frame, its gonna take me a long time!

>>4785460
I like the shape of it, but the tan and the red look a little weird togther.

>>4785467
Well I mean, do you got plans for some mechanics or other weapons? Or just some interesting sprite concepts?

>>4785471
AHhh, well i didn't had any plans for this, i just wanted to make for the fun of it.
>>4785469
I had a version that made it more in theme with the rest of the weapon, but i sorta of deleted it, I can remake it easily though!

>>4785476
>>4785471
And while it's more in theme for the weapon, i don't think it's in theme of the weapon mod.

>>4785480
Oh this looks much better.

>>4785376
Like other anons said, huge maps run poorly (especially if they're reasonably detailed). But I imagine the illusion could be pulled off by using silent teleports to other maps.

Can anyone hook me up with the .GRP and .RTS files for the Duke 3D add-on packs?

You guys think that Scuba Steve's Action Doom starring Scuba Steve by Scuba Steve should be nominated for the Cacowards hosted by Scuba Steve?

>>4785610
Why, I, Scuba Steve, Agree that Scuba Steve's Action Doom by Scuba Steve should be the winner for the Cacowards, I hear that Scuba Steve is hosting it too! I love you, Scuba Steve!

Dose Eriguns work on the latest GZDoom's?

>>4785480
Well, after having some info from my friend in regards of what kegan thinks, I tried to make a
sprite sheet for it.
quite proud of the result. (even tho i don't know who made the Muzzleflash so im gonna assume mike12 did that)

>>4785645
Yes, latest version requires Zscript, so it MUST run with gzdoom.

>>4785649
I see you took my feedback into consideration, this is a pretty decent little demon hellfire gun.

>>4785649
Looks awesome
Never gonna happen, but this could fit on Combined Arms' new set, maybe as a secret mysterious weapon

when i was 13 year old a 9 year old girl tounh me by the balls good time man good time

>>4785651
Also, what are the differences between Eriguns and Eriguns 2?

>>4785649
God, I wouldn't be able to resist making a rare idle animation where the top moves up and down quickly for a bit while a demon laugh sound plays

>>4785656
good times in the forest

>>4785654
Problem is I got all of the weapons already planned out and sprited. Plus I'm not sure how I could do pump frames for that skull there.

>>4785665
Im gonna make a gif to help you with that, in the meantime have this

>>4785671
Okay that's a pretty decent edit. But when I say "pump frame" I'm talking about the altfire attack I have for all the guns where doomguy pulls the weapon back at an angle and pumps it, that would require new sprites.

>>4785679
Yes sadly, and i don't have the skills with creating sprites.
so im just gonna post this instead,
Oh well Better than nothing i guess.

>>4785224
One on the left is hanging, the other 2 are floating.

>>4785729
Ooh, what if the reload animation consisted of the player feeding some stuff into the maw of the skull, and it would snap closed right after?

Finally finished Strange Aeons + HND.
It was pretty good, but the three or four regenerating monster types can go eat a dick. I'm still not sure how to reliably kill the yellow skeletons for good, although I seem to have managed it several times thoughout the game. The huge boss guys who vomit ghosts and the black skeletons seem obvious enough at least, sine the former dies after a few lives and the latter needs "overkilling" to release the hades elemental hiding inside.

At any rate, that was fun. Bitchslapping Cthulhu and the Crawling Chaos as an interdimensional cowboy was neat.

>>4785764
Most fitting gameplay mod and mappack combo.

I'm getting really fucking antsy for the Combined Arms update, along with Treasure Tech.

Tried Sweet FX with Hi-Res pack

Skyboxes are fun

>>4785837
Chill, man. Kegan's not gonna be fast. It's not like these two mods are the only quirky weapon mods there are

>>4785853

>>4785859
It's actually better but ony 30 fps on my gtx 1070.
Plays well with Playstation soundtrack. Here is comparison

Sweet fx on

>>4785859
Sweet fx off

>>4785853

>>4785853
Don't do that.
Also, use steve's flashlight.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=59429

>>4785870
why does doomguy have 3d degree burns on his hands

>>4785898
It is gloves

>>4785837
It'll come with time, anon. Golden Souls 2 should be out soon and that should keep you busy while I work on this.

>>4785856
I mean it shouldn't take as long as the last GMOTA update, I got 6 of the 7 weapons for the blastmaster in, though I'll still need to do some playtesting to make sure shit feels right after getting number 7 in. Other than that all that's left is some more crate weapons, and copying the monster behaviors from Blastmaster in.
Though I'd like to get some help for player sprites

>>4785915
What do you need?

>>4785395
On it.

>>4785876
This flashlight doesn't work with the mods I have. Maybe conflicting.

>>4785919
Shivers reminded me he was working on this neat player sprite with pic related, though all that's done is a single frame, this helmet style is fucking dope. After getting the base done with normal doomguy actions (Walking, hurt, shooting, dying) I can just add the extra accessories for the other classes, seeing as it's the same variant of Doomguy, just with a different hat on top of his helmet, essentially.

Looking at this reminds me I need to take all of the Doomslayer's player sprites from GMOTA and make it so his armor changes color with the slider thingies.

>>4785927
It conflicts with your flashlight, speaking as someone who used to use that shitty thing.

>>4785942
Beamflashlight? Yeah, it's not perfect, the other one is much better.

>>4785942
I checked again without any mods. Still doesn't work. It's binded to F though. Maybe I need to make a new config.

>>4785960
And your dynamic lights and shit are enabled properly?

About to try HND with Strange Aeons
What should be the order with the mod, mapset and patch?

>>4785224
So I'm having issues with ambient sounds in my map. Despite having a max audible range of 256 units and a falloff beginning of 1 unit, the transition between silence and ambience is alarmingly sudden.
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0L52I1d0wOn
These abrupt transitions are between 32 unit steps.

Anybody have experience with this?
>>4785960
Update your GzDoom maybe?

>>4785967
It didn't work because Sweet FX. Now it works, I disabled Sweet FX by renaming opengl32.dll. Previously I disabled it ingame.

>>4785980
Guess it overwrites the OpenGL functions GZDoom normally has to add in its effects, which makes mods like the flashlight simply not work and would probably cause problems in other places given the opportunity.

>>4785974
-HND
-Strange Aeons
-Patch

That's how I loaded them on ZDL. Have fun, it's a great combo, even if some of the Real 667 monsters are fucking bullshit sometimes. The "story" is also seriously improved this way too.

>>4785987
*Realm 667, dammit.

>>4785983
So I tried to load it with some mods now it doesn't work again

gzdoom.exe -iwad doom2.wad -file ketchupV5r.pk3 UniversalGibs3d.zip NRFTL+.wad gz-models_other.zip gz-models_projectiles.pk3 gz-models_monsters.pk3 Item_3DModels.pk3 doubleDHTP.pk3 doom2_textures.pk3 (Z)-All_LiquidsGlow.pk3 (Z)-Warp2_HQ_Liquids.pk3 DoomWeap4XUp.pk3 JFO.pk3 JFO_D2.pk3 pk_doom_sfx_20120224.wad HQPSXMUS.WAD ZFootSteps.pk3 DarkFog_Effects.pk3 Contrast.wad [L]CustomDoom.wad TiltPlusPlus.pk3 skyboxes_doom2.pk3 R_Hud_Stuff_ZDoom_v1.pk3 (Y)-HR_Brightmaps.pk3 hires_extra.zip glow.pk31 GZDLiquidsPack.pk3 3d_models_weapons.pk3 Dark_doom_lite.pk3 d3snds.pk3 steve_flashlight_2018.02.12.pk7

>>4785991
I like the ring of the "Real 667 monsters", tho.

>>4785617
>>4785610
you realize that action doom already got a caco

you're 15 years too late with this

>>4785993
I heard the sound of a trainwreck so I went outside to check if there was a tornado, they say it sounds similar.

Speaking of old mods, Ultimate Torment And Torture made me so fucking mad I'm still thinking about it even though I played it a week ago or some shit. It just misuses every new tool so badly I question if it was made to troll people on purpose. Even ZPack didn't piss me off this much and it has a much worse reputation, did UTNT really get a positive reception when it was first released?

I'm too new to the Doom wad scene to have been there back then.

>>4785993
This is exactly what you are doing right now

What are some good wads to play with The Trailblazer? I like the stuff it offers but I feel out of place running around normal Doom levels with this sort of character theme. It feels like it'd fit better in a western type setting.

>>4785764
I liked the Spider Goddess.

>>4786010
I dont know about when it was first retarded, I played it a few months ago and I was disgusted with it. The forced shell casings and ricochet sounds is what got me angry, using low quality sounds and not even having a sharp falloff for the ricochets.

>>4785375

I'm still so goddamn analpained at the way the fangame ended up being cancelled.

>>4786012
Why do you think so? It actually fits one style. I didn't use any crappy and lore-unfriendly mods

>>4786017
The original story had her as a bitch, but the mod/patch made her pretty cool. I preferred how the patch handled her compared to the bigger threats in the mythos anyway.

>>4786013
I liked it with Going Down. You need a suitably powerful weapon set to stand any chance to begin with, and the first few maos make it feel like an 80's action movie.

Then it gets weird, but that's Going Down for you.

>>4785993
You're joking, right?
You've got about 50 mods (most of them horrible) and you're wondering why this isn't working?

>>4786026
I didn't mind any of that stuff, it was all the absolute dog shit map design. When I played map 1, it was pretty good.

But map 2 was already a deranged shitshow.
>just bad and sloggy mapflow in general
>back and forth switchhunts because 3 keys just isn't enough for one goddamn map
>fog combined with areas where enemies obscured by it are free to shoot at you from ridiculous distances, while you have to do platforming
>scripted multiwave arena fight that doesn't let you progress until everything is dead and it drags on way too long
>the mod has jumping but he put instant death zones ABOVE narrow streams of lava/molten metal so you can't jump over them for no reason anyway, which makes navigating that area a pain in the fucking asshole, and later on there's a part where you can jump over a much bigger stream of lava without dying because why not
And then the thing that really went me to go "fuck this wad" compared to even all the other stuff, the boss fight at the end. You start off surrounded by 4 Bruiser Demons in an enclosed space, FOUR FUCKING BRUISER DEMONS IN AN ENCLOSED SPACE. THIS IS MAP TWO OF FORTY OR SOMETHING. And then it gets even better, earlier on in the map you get a new weapon from a secret: the Flamethrower. When you pick it up you get an OOC note from Eriadne telling you "use it wisely, you might need it at the end", now the problem with this is that it's specifically made to not work properly on bosses. THE FUCKING FLAMETHROWER DOESN'T WORK PROPERLY ON THE BOSS ON PURPOSE AND THE MODDER LITERALLY CAME IN TO TELL ME TO USE IT ON THE BOSS

WHAT THE FUCK

And then I go into map 3 after that trainwreck. It's the most boring and annoying slog. Usually when something gets shitty I atleast godmode and noclip through the maps to see what else there was to see, but I was so done with UTNT I didn't even do that.

>>4785203
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/632128/#632128

i'd looked in the archives page by page and this was the earliest i could find
but then it turns out desuarchive has the ability to show oldest first and there were a handful of threads beforehand woop woop

oh well, happy 5th anyway, may these threads last even longer

>>4785756
Yeah, on that regard i though it more like him releasing demonic gasses, (like he just burped) But that works too.

>>4786083
Man, we had a lot of tripfaggotry back in the day.

can't believe doom mods been going on for 5 years


im kidding i know it's been 20

>>4786069
It's about 30 mods + Sweet FX.

>>4786096
To be fair, most of the really good mods were released in the last five or six years. The older mods were arguably lower in quality than the more recent ones, just look at Ghostbusters or Batman Doom. ZDoom has really upped the potential in terms of modding.

>>4786104
My point stands. You're jamming a large number of mods in at once and you're wondering why GZDoom is shitting itself.

>>4786083
>It's /doom/'s 5th anniversary
Damn it's been that long already huh? I remember when I started browsing these threads around the time of doom's 20th anniversary back in late 2013 and IGN put out those videos where they played through KDITD with John Romero and I thought it was the raddest shit. I followed a guide someone posted here on how to set up a sourceport and I've been playing doom ever since.

My fondest memories here are when you guys were doing the 200 minutes of /vr/ mapset and I would check here every day and see the progress and play all the maps you guys posted.

Here's to another 5 years, you fragging bastards.

>>4786080
Well, it does have TORMENT and TORTURE in its name.
So I'd say this wasn't false advertisement

Hey guys! Dreamed about some psychedelic atmoshperic wads. Have some? Thank u!

>>4786114
Void and Rainbow?

>>4786108
Stop giving the slavshit attention.

>>4786114

Void & Rainbow, definitely.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/97787-void-and-rainbow/

>>4786115
>>4786118
Looks very intresting, thank you! Some more? :3>

It took me a minute of constant violence to realize this guy was invulnerable and I had to kill the floating heart thing first. Also the guy that made that 'lowpoly' pack changed some enemy model names to fit the brutal gore horseshit, so I had to change them back manually.

>>4786112
Well, can't argue with that I guess. It really did feel like it was made to troll the player, but in an elaborate and concealed way.

>>4786108
Well, It works fine. It didn't crash a single time. I prefer to play Doom with graphic mods, because I can't stand original, I played it too much in 2000x, so it's too boring for me.

>>4786096
20 muddafucking years. And to mod in the first years they had to use hex editors, I'm pretty sure. I read an article about such reverse-engineering and man, that looks to be a very gruelling job. We have so much good tools now it's insane.

>>4786123
Hellgrounds may fit the bill. Beyond reality is very jolly and psychedelic.

>>4786063
How hard is Going Down? The way you describe it makes it sound hard as shit. I have slow reflexes and am bad at games but I like to play them anyway.

>>4786139

The later levels are simply brutal.

>>4786125
Add hires textures from this pack as well doubleDHTP.pk3 + doom2_textures.pk3 + skyboxes_doom2.pk3 + hires_extra.zip

So Half-Life weapons will fit better.

>>4786154
They're not high-res, and high-res makes the game look fuck ugly, so no. Get your stupid pack out of here.
Also I forgot that models react to dynamic lights unlike sprites.

>>4786156

Well maybe not high-res to the current standards, but they look more detailed compared to original textures and they are quite close to them.

I've seen another pack in 2k. But these textures are completely different.

http://www.moddb.com/mods/hoover1979-ultrahd-doom-texture-pack/downloads/2k-texture-pack-2nd-demo-02042018-single-file

>>4786139
Pretty hard, but Trailblazer makes you very powerful to begin with.

I would not be against higher resolution sprites and textures but they just don't seem to fit in the game.

>>4786191
They always look like shit. You can have high fidelity without actually increasing pixel density, like truecolor textures, increased animation frames, more rotation angles etc.

>>4786191
If you play with lighting in Sweet FX then they look cool.

>>4786191
>>4786203
>>4786213
Somehow I just think this is an attempt at advertising graphics cards.

>>4786218
I get 60 fps on my gtx 1070 ultra wide 1440p. It's not very expensive just 400 bucks or something

>>4785448
Bump. There couldn't be just one mod with perks, items and leveling.

>>4786221
Not it's nothing like this

>>4786230
>he said, posting something exactly like that

>>4786226
my computer, as in the whole computer, cost 100
even my new one that has a broken power cord cost 190

you're shilling graphics cards
400 bucks is alot of money partner, alot, especially when a 60 buck card will get you about 90% the way there when it comes to modern games
> my computers do not have expansion slots for graphics

>>4786241
I love that image

>>4786234
if you live in some shithole like Russia then yes it is expensive. In any first world develped country 400 bucks isn't money. Even a migrant who doesn't know language and has a low skilled job gets 1400 bucks per month minimum wage (any west europe, UK, US).

>>4786254
>In any first world develped country 400 bucks isn't money
Speak for yourself. I live in america and I make under 8000 a year.

I'm so poor I technically don't even exist.

>>4786241
His face always reminds me of this.

>>4786226
>>4786254
>"i get 60fps running a fucking 25 year old game on some of the latest hardware not even at 4k"
>also thinks normal people just drop $400 like it's insignificant
I'm finding it very hard to believe you're not either retarded or trying to shill something.

>>4786259
I fucking love these

Again, the Doom maps are too abstract to slap HD textures on without looking awkward, and the enemy designs are too goofy to really articulate well and accurately into 3D. Not for most cheap, low-effort modelers. That said, on something like Hell on the Earth Remastered, there are moments where things can look nice thanks to reworked geometry and dynamic lights, but it doesn't magically fix everything.

this will be a weird gauntlet map

>>4786254
>in any first world develped country 400 bucks isn't money.
this is the most surreal quote I've witnessed in this general
or at the very least sits comfortably on my top 3

>>4786108
There's zandronum servers with like 200 mods jammed in.

>>4786268
>Even a migrant who doesn't know language and has a low skilled job gets 1400 bucks per month minimum wage

Tell that to Michigan.

Whoops, meant for >>4786274 my bad.

>>4786260
FarCry 5 is 50-60 fps on ultra 3440x1440.

In Doom (old Doom) it's 100+ fps with all graphic packs. With Sweet FX it's 70 fps. If I was running 64 bit GZDoom maybe it would be more, but I'm running 32 bit GZDoom because Sweet FX only supports 32 bit.

>>4786260
$400 isn't THAT significant.
Not the same person BTW.

>>4786280
Why are you dickwaving specs around in a thread about a 1993 game? Literally nobody cares.

>>4786265
What wad?

>>4786265
Nice wad. Here's screen with Sweet FX.

>>4786191
I don't thinker higher resolution textures work with the archtitecure and geometry of most iwad maps, nor most pwad maps.
High resolution for sprites I don't think works at all unless you stylize it to look like a cartoon/comicbook, ala Action Doom 2.

Things you COULD do would be applying normalmaps, brightmaps and bumpmaps on the original low res textures and sprites, then use dynamic lights and other effects, along maybe some VERY subtle bloom. All this combined could potentially look very good on the right maps.

>>4786314
More

why

>>4786314
>>4786320
This isn't good. You're completely crushing what color the game has, jesus christ.

We get it. You have terrible taste. Now quit shilling your monstrosity of a pack and go bug /v/ or some shit.

>>4786320
what am I looking at?
Some Unity test game?

. . .

Oh it's Map02.
I don't..really remember lights being there.

>>4786338
Stop giving (((him))) attention and he'll stop. We have a report button for a reason.

>>4786320
That gun looks awful.

>>4786267
What map is this?

>>4786332
But it looks better. I never been fan of an original. My first Doom is Playstation Doom, so I still play it with PS Soundtrack and always turn some dark filters.

>>4786342
Lowpoly mod + HontE Remastered + Sweet FX

>>4786346
I know. Need to find a better model. But SSG looks ok.

>>4786343
Why? Did I violate any rules?

>>4786109
Where the fuck is time going? That was 5 years ago already... not much as changed in my life.....

>>4786343
As much as a faggot as he's being, he's not violating any rules. Spamming reports isn't going to help you.
Just call him a fag and move on.

How do you modify the Ammo in (gz)doom without it affecting the display on the status bar?

For example changing the maximum cell capacity to 800 or making rockets give you 2 rockets per pickup?

I dont want it to hurt the status bar because I want it to be compatible with other status bars people have in their mods.

>>4786342
Hell on the Earth Remastered. Sticks to vanilla resources and uses GZDoom trickery to do visual upgrades and tweaks to the D2 levels with occasional expansions or additional secrets, and so it's easily compatible with texture mods or the like. Some changes are a bit weird though, like Gotcha! having a massive pit around the two bosses.

However, that fancy shaded water that reacts to lights doesn't like it, since the maps have a lot of hidden dynamic lights but the water reacts and reflects it all the same.

I apologize for forgetting AF and mipmapping in this screenshot.

>>4786358
>But it looks better.
No, it really, really doesn't.

>>>/wsg/2229358

Got the sounds in for the grenade gun, decided I'm gonna name it the Ranger grenade gun, seeing as it looks like his helmet. Also made the machine gun spew out casings as you fire it now.

I'm considering changing out the shotgun vent altfire attack works, maybe make it so firing it completely cools the gun off, and at higher heat levels it also becomes stronger.

>>4786265
Basically it comes down to this. You can't just really stack shit onto the original game and hope it's gonna look better. There's a lot you can do to pretty up Doom (to personal tastes), but once you start getting into the territory of high resolution textures and 3D models, it's extremely challenging to make that look good.
There's subjectivity, of course, but most would agree that slapping 256 pixel wide textures on 16 unit (pixel) wide pillars isn't going to make it look better.
E3M7 isn't going to look immersive or beautiful because you quadrupled texture size, it's gonna look like you glued photos onto a Lego castle.
It'd be like taking all the behavior, function and gameplay of like, Duck Hunt, but just putting much more detailed and higher resolution graphics on it. You may be putting a lot of effort into it, and individually the frames might look really good, but the game itself is still just Duck Hunt.

The only way to actually make 3D models and high res textures work, is to completely redo everything and make a new game from scratch; a new engine, new levels, new graphics, new code, new sound, new music, etc.
But if you're at the point that you'd be willing to basically build an all new game from scratch, why make it a remake of Doom? It'd make much more sense to make it your very own game, even if you take strong inspiration from Doom.

>>4786431
Honestly, with Doom mapping able to reach almost Quake 1 levels of detail or more, depending on the mapper and GZDoom or the like, I still say that Quake 1-quality models (blocky and with the low-res pixel art) would work best for trying to insert that sort of shit into Doom.

this is the heaviest post processing i've ever used. note the sky is really red and saturated originally

>>4786406
ORLY?

>>4786406
Stop giving him attention.

>>4786458
Yes, thank you for proving my point exactly.

>>4786458
right is better

>>4786458
Only a fool would like the left.

>>4786458
Looks like those fake games they use in TV shows for people who don't know what games look like

>>4786458
holy shit right is so much better it's not even a comparison

>>4786458
R

Why do you people keep replying? It's the most obvious bait of all time yet every single thread has the same dumbass responses.

>>4786484
go away, backseat moderator

As long as we're talking about fucking up doom into an unrecognizable clusterfuck, some WIP from my half life mod. Gotta get creative to make the weird geometry work in Half Life's style.

>>4786485
How is my post backseat moderating at all? I'm telling you people helpful advice like a regular human being.

>>4786485
No wonder this fucking board is dying.

>>4786471
What about this one?

Do you play with AO on, or off?

>>4786492
It will take much more than some faggot shitposters to kill this board and these threads.
Though yes I will agree that /vr/ has been suffering as of late, such is the nature of the beast, the mental defectives from /v/ pick out new boards to shit up and there's not much that can be done about that.

To bring things back around to about Doom and less about stupid shit, what have YOU guys been playing recently? What are you looking forward to?

>>4786497
left actually has the advantage of having a new map that was designed to show off graphical shit
but overall, the answer is still the same
holy shit right is so much better it's not even a comparison

>>4786497
Still right.

>>4786492
Yeah, because people keep thinking "opinion I don't agree with" is bait or shitposting and refuse to actually discuss things.

>>4786497
it depends on if the left uses the word "clip"

>>4786497
still going with the right

>>4786510
Because discussion worked so well for Sarais or Nambona, didn't it?

>>4786056
Plus I like spooders and seeing them as good guys (though mind controlled) was neat.

>>4786517
of course there's going to be shitheads that try to stir shit for the sake of having shit
so clearly this means to jump the gun at literally everything and spam the queue with reports despite another poster breaking literally no rules, right?

stop jumping to fucking extremes
discuss things like a fucking adult instead of crying out that something is bait and reporting literally fucking everything

>>4786510
Are you implying that this >>4786497
>>4786458 guy isn't baiting?

>>4786526
Are you implying that he is?

What are some megawads and gameplay wads that don't get enough love?

>>4786513
Moar

>>4786502
Always on. I love AO. It's cool even in 320*200 with software tonemap

>>4786531
not gonna change no matter how many you post, m80

>>4786529
You can't be serious. He does this shit every thread, he doesn't even try to argue back with serious arguments, he just posts obvious inflammatory comments and images and enjoys all the free (you)s you dumbasses give him. Not even Markymark Wahlberg likes those old ass Jdoom (?) 3d models.

>>4786203
I just like how HoMM3 looks, and it was done not only by using lotsa frames, but also by using respectable pixel density.

>>4786532
scaled the gif wrong

>>4786538
Just let it go, anon. It's annoying I know but sometimes I wonder if it's just an elevated form of trolling to act like a retard and then act like the guy acting like a retard is in the right.

>>4786458
Oversaturated bullshit vs clean and classic

>>4786538
>He does this shit every thread,
For all of three threads. Yes sirree, that sure is every thread.
>inflammatory comments
Like what, "I like how this looks more"?
Literally the only thing you can construe as inflammatory is >>4786358 "But it looks better", maybe if you have the thinnest skin available and can't handle other people having other opinions.
The worst this guy has done is have shit taste. So say he has shit taste and move the fuck on with your life instead of screeching like a chimp about how this is bait, shitposting, causing the death of /vr/, or an elevated meta master form of trolling. You're making this worse than it already is.

>>4786056
>The original story had her as a bitch
Original story had Atlach-Nacha, a whole different beast from a Native American spider goddess.

>>4786550
Not that guy, but there have been others who say he's had shit taste many times over, and then he keeps posting stuff, so more people tell him he has shit taste.
It does get tiring after awhile, and I kinda wish it'd stop.

>>4786559
They're the sarias of visual mods.

>>4786550
>>4786546

I'm not trolling. Just interesting to see discussion about how Doom progressed after all these years. Did it progress in good way or a bad way?

>>4786268
He seriously sounds like a westaboo Russian.
>t. westaboo Russian

>>4786502
On. I think it's a great effect that adds just enough contrast

>>4786550
>For all of three threads. Yes sirree, that sure is every thread.
Oh you know what I meant, don't pretend to act dumb.
>Like what, "I like how this looks more"?
Like pretending that abortion of visuals looks better, there's a difference between sane opinions and just repeatedly posting ugly screenshots and claiming it looks better WITH NO ARGUMENTS when he knows for a fact it's not true. Again, not even BD Man himself goes that low. How dumb are you that you think he's being serious? No wonder he keeps getting replies when there's people as naive and blind as you.
>Like what, "I like how this looks more"?
Like this one >>4786458. Who the fuck unironically uses "orly" in 2018?
>Literally the only thing you can construe as inflammatory is >>4786358 "But it looks better", maybe if you have the thinnest skin available and can't handle other people having other opinions.
I argue with other people all the time regarding different opinions, especially regarding things like the quality of megawads and other games like Hexen and not once do I treat them as bait. This is not one of them, this is clear as fucking day. Why? Again, because he doesn't try to defend himself, he just posts the images, watches himself get dozens of replies explaining why they look hideous, and what does he do next? He just posts more images instead of, again, arguing like someone who had an honest opinion. If he legitimately thought that shit looked better he would actually try to defend himself and not just post images again and again and again.

I also never said this is causing the death of /vr/, good job reading.

>>4786571
Modding has progressed in a good way, what you post is not the natural progression of Doom itself, trying to convince yourself or others otherwise is downright asinine.

Your taste is shit. I'm not about to tell you to stop playing Doom however you want, but this never ending cycle of posting two comparison screenshots isn't going to convince anyone your taste isn't shit, dude.

>>4786571
At least get rid of SweetFX

>>4786582
>Like this one >>4786458
>ORLY
>inflammatory
are you fucking serious

Does anybody else think the crates in e2m2 are made of metal?

I've always seen them as being made of metal or something, but on that note does anybody know any texture packs that have steel crate textures?

Doom thread derailed by a shit taste having sweetfx-poster. What a time to be alive.
>>4786590
CC4's texture pack does

>>4786590
I always thought that they were made out of grey cardboard.

>>4786590
I'm more curious as to what the fuck is inside the crates.
The UAC facility is an oddly whimsical place.

>>4786440
And where the hell would we get low poly models of that quality? The only guy who could make such models and I know of is perfectly content with making models of strange cyber--robo-furry(?) waifus in a batshit OC cyberpunk universe.

>>4786594
>"Hey Jim, where we gonna store all of these barrels of explosive chemicals?"
>"Jus' put it right here by the giant computer wall."
>"Should I take the lid off?"
>"Of course you should take the fuckin' lid off, how else are you supposed to get to the chemicals?"

>>4786592
If only people weren't so compelled to give them what they want by responding.

>>4786601
It's funny, you see all these Doomworld projects of people doing HD models and shit, but not only do most animators suck but no one actually wants to do low-quality intentionally.

>>4786604

>>4786601
Talking about Ken Penders?

>>4786586
Seriously? Do you need him to also post ragecomic images to convince you because it wasn't obvious enough already? Why did you ignore the question of "who unironically posts this nowadays"?

>>4786616
the artist in question isn't mentally retarded so no

>>4786571
Those monster/weapon models on the left are from like 2005 though.

>>4786610
Well, you need to be quite good at art and modelling to make a consistent, aesthetically pleasing lowpoly model. Dudes are just hobbyists trying their hands at something they think would be easy.
>>4786616
I do not know the name of the guy and I forgot the tumblr nick.

>>4785295
who cares if you can run fast? and you could change it anyway. also doom supports fuckin big maps, not that you need 100 people for a br mode anyway.

wouldn't be hard to do a br thing if someone wanted, but it'd probably hard to get enough players together anyway, without some kinda big community event/stream thing

Posting last screenshot and I'm going sleep. Make your opinions

>>4786662
Why did you post again if your post was deleted?

>>4786662
Hopefully you don't wake up.

>>4786662
>tfw using multiple texture packs in my map so if you try to load your stuff with it it'll all looked fucked up and you'll avoid it

>>4786664
Why they were deleted? You know it takes time to make such comparison. It thought people would like to see such comparison of new assets and original.

>>4786569
Run it with one of Sarais's maps.

>>4786662
Green stuff doesn't look like polluted water or acid, it looks like molten plastic. Light effects are low effort. Flames are awful, they are hard to do right in general but here they look extremely bad. Repeating textures are kinda okay on the right, but with the HD bullshit the repetition is way too obvious. Imp blends in with the wall so much that he is nigh-invisible.
Green walls are oversaturated and look like douk nukum seaweed infestation, so they are completely different from the original.

Consistency and direction still handily beats a mish-mash of random effects and replacements.

>>4786685
I think what I really, really don't like is the lighting effects. Goddamit do they burn my eyes. Otherwise I might actually tolerate it all a bit.

>computer too old and shitty to run winter's fury

Fuck. It looks so fun too. I love the winter theme and new monster color schemes.

>>4786701
>that pic
Too bad for Doomguy that Duke is there to save all the ladies.

>>4786701
my 2008 potato laptop could run it, what are you trying to play it with? a commodore 64?

>>4786592
I can see the side of one crate, can't see it's top.

>>4786704
Use the silver flat

>>4786702
Oh wait, not Doomguy. Still, Duke will save the day.

>>4786696
Yeah, lightning effects are very sloppy. My pet peeve is the water replacement, though. It's fucking ink or a cheap-ass "pearl" shampoo with green or blue pigment, not water at all.
>>4786701
I second that >>4786703 anon. Winter's Fury is cool, but it was too hard for my lame ass so I kind of abandoned it after the twin queen fight.

>>4786707
Can do.
Thanks for this, know any other non-wood crate textures?

>>4786712
There's always the quake 1 and 2 crates

>>4786685
Okay. Now a very very last one.

>>4786487
oh ok so this is more like a weird re-imaging of doom in a half life kinda style?
cool, def interested in seeing how this progresses

>>4786703
Desktop from 2000 with integrated graphics. I got it for free from a friend after a house fire a few years ago wiped out everything I had so I'm grateful to have it even if it does suck but I really should put some money back and save up to get something decent.

>>4785234
This looks awful.

What are the things in levels that hog resources?
I'm reading about guys that can't play maps but all I can think of is dynamic lights, the other resource hogging feature was some thing in a Mark level, the jungle one with the waterfalls. Which I can't see why as it was a sprite repeatedly spawning.

Asking to try and make sure my map can appeal more to more computers but it's using gzdoom features. My computer by comparison to most is a monster so I fear stumbling into shortcuts which devour resources.

>>4786714
Not a bad idea, thanks man you're a gem.

>>4786730
b4 u release let some people with worse computers test it

>>4786726
It is, yeah. The idea is to remake Doom in the style of a Half Life expansion. Also gonna make a few gameplay tweaks, including upping the walking/running speed and eliminating reloading.

>>4786732
np mate

>>4786723
Kinda better but the lava stands out like a sore thumb. Also BFG texture is a bit overstretched, I guess.
I also kinda bored of these comparisons so it's my last post on the topic.

>>4786728
Understandable, then. I've got a laptop from 2012 with integrated graphics and it chugged a bit on Winter's Fury.

>>4786730
From what extremely little I know it's the number and spawning of actors and OpenGL light effects that make potato pcs explode.

>>4786741
>Also gonna make a few gameplay tweaks, including upping the walking/running speed and eliminating reloading.
i think this is a very good idea

Since, vasyan keeps posting his horrible compilation screenshots what do ya'll think of some kind of super mega giga TC with recently added and\or future features, which could add to GZDoom graphical capabilities.
TC in which everything was done from scratch for sake of not clashing with classic doom assets (maps, monsters, decorations, textures etc.).
Arcane Dimensions level of map detail at least, that PBR thing for textures, dynamic lighting, models with proper bone animations.
Basically not doom using gzdoom.

>>4786730
>>4786735
Pretty much this. My laptop is an oldass potato-powered toaster extraordinarie, so I'll gladly test your maps if you post them.

>>4786741
>Also gonna make a few gameplay tweaks, including upping the walking/running speed and eliminating reloading.
i think this is a mediocre idea

>>4785376
Not possible, it would just be laggy and unplayable

>>4786753
Why?

>>4786754
>that pic
I have questions.

>>4786750
But why make a new not Doom game on GZDoom?
Don't you fucking mention Square I'll cut ya

>>4786662
>>4786685
my plasma shots look almost as good without any advanced features, not even lighting

>>4786747
>From what extremely little I know it's the number and spawning of actors and OpenGL light effects that make potato pcs explode.

Spawning of actors?
Wait so if you spawn in some monsters that causes lag?

>>4786763

>>4786763
>>4786768
Those are excellent plasma shots.

>>4786760
Because it doesn't matter how hard would try author of that doom 2.5 he would be always criticized because someone doesn't likes his work.
Getting rid of doom theme or name at least would have better reviews and ease of not following something so old yet established.
What is "Square"?

>>4786768
>>4786770
thank you
pulled off by using additive blending tricks
and spawning actors for visual effects
> it looks like this in software mode with truecolor turned off

>>4786772
You know, the Adventures of Square, a standalone game made in within the Zdoom engine.

>>4786773
Wow even in software mode it's pretty slick.

>>4786750
so basically you want to crash GZDoom with no survivors

>>4786756
it just seems mediocre, you're not just making maps, you're turning half life into doom and being a hipster because most people try to turn quake into doom but you took one extra step of separation

>>4786781
wow what a bad take

>>4786781
Okay, so let me get this straight. I'm a hipster, because I'm taking one of the most popular shooters of all time, taking another one of the most popular shooters of all time, and making a half life mod based on both of them?

>>4786778
Why? Wouldn't you be interested in something like winter's fury, but with really nice graphics?

>>4786785
dont even bother to start an argument lol the post makes no sense

Hey Half Life mod guy, random request, and I'm not sure how possible it'd be, but can you add the throwable crowbar function like Sven co-op had? But add a system where the crowbar is restored in your inventory after a set period of time if the player doesn't pick it back up?

I like throwing melee weapons.

>>4786759
a mod me and a friend of mine are working on,
i work on decorates and gameplay acs, while my friend works on the maps.
Not coming anytime soon thou

>>4786781
yikes

>>4786795
I'm not even really trying to argue, I was just so legitimately confused I had to put it into words.

>>4786801
Eh, the goal's to combine Half Life and Doom, I don't wanna stray too far from that initial idea.

>>4786805
Fair enough, it's just I found some of Half Life's arsenal to be a little limp.

>>4786808
Understandable. I was considering borrowing a little bit from other Goldsrc games, like TFC, CS1.6 and the like, but this is my first mod and I'm unsure how to do that.

>>4786775
>>4786773
This plasma is the same as the other one its just under a different palette.

The trick to using additive blending is understanding that it Adds the value of any color to the background. Likewise stacking multiple additive sprites together becomes bright very quickly.

You do NOT need Alpha set below 100% to give it a see-through effect, all this will do is potentially make the brighter/white portions of it wash out or get muddy.

> Color Translations
If you dont want to modify the sprite graphics directly you can do a translation.

Consider that fireballs and plasma have darker parts to them, but even the way they're drawn in vanilla the darker parts are still kinda bright. If you remap them to be even darker in those areas they will provide more see-through capability.

But the center parts, the yellow glob in the middle of an imp fireball, the shiny white center of a plasma shot... you can remap these colors to make them brighter and they will remain Opaque. Congratulations the spite appears to have an Alpha Layer now even though its still a standard doom lump sprite.

Pic Related.

In the case of my plasma shots I have 2 effects going besides the sparkles. The main sprite for the shot has light rays coming off of it and it picks one frame from a set of 4 to display per tic. They oscillate on both axes. The other effect is the tail which is produced using the momentum calculations (as part of a_spawnitemex) same way alot of blaster bolts are. Except each one diminishes in size.

Seen from the side at a distance, it mimics the kind of performance you might expect from plasma bolts in modern fps games.

How do people feel about using dynamics for an entire map's lighting?

>>4786819
If done right it can be neat-looking, but unfortunately sprites still don't react very well to it.
Wouldn't mind seeing dynamic shadows that account for all mapping instead of just "empty void" things, and also account for models and sprites in casting shadows too.

>>4786827
Yeah. I'm personally just waiting for raised floors / ceilings to cast shadows before dedicating to the practice.

>>4786827
>>4786819
You can set the ambient lighting for most of the sectors at a low level then apply dynamic lights in areas with variable lighting. While keeping other sectors with stronger lighting at a higher ambient level.

The most efficient method is to use both and lean on the dynamic lighting only for fine-tuning it.

Also answer this question, since there will be users that will inevitably do this - what happens when the user turns off dynamic lighting? Because people will do this even if it says they need to be turned on. Your mod needs to cater to inherent gzdoom built in limitations.

>>4786868
>Also answer this question, since there will be users that will inevitably do this - what happens when the user turns off dynamic lighting? Because people will do this even if it says they need to be turned on. Your mod needs to cater to inherent gzdoom built in limitations.
At that point you probably need GZDoom to play such a map or mapset in the first place, and when people already set gameplay limitations or urge people not to jump and so forth, dynamic lighting being a must for some maps is inevitable. Might as well just say, "If you play with dynamic lighting off, i'm not responsible for the map being unplayable."

>>4786750
Why not just make a new game?

>>4786819
Sounds like a great way to kill framerate.

>>4786413
>decided I'm gonna name it the Ranger grenade gun, seeing as it looks like his helmet
It literally looks like a grenade launcher from Q1

>>4786869
This just makes people want to shoot you though, and it gives you bad publicity. There's alot of mappers and modders out there who try to go for as vanilla-compatible stuff as possible and when you load it up in the game it runs just fine without having to deal with any new features.

> there are some of us who feel that some features like Jumping or Crouching should be figured into the equation, but nothing beyond that in terms of feature creep, since jumping and vertical ascent in games has been around since at least 1995
> and vertical scaling of terrain should logically be possible anyway just because of being able to Reach Up, and Pull Up to a ledge.

I mean dynamic lighting is available even in software mode now. And as long as its event-based and not being spewed all over the place it doesnt have any performance setback even on a toaster.

But I dont have DLights turned on at all (or Truecolor). And its nestled down in a submenu of video or display and I dont want to be bothered with going down in it and turning it back on. Its frustrating to do that.
> kinda like always having to go in gameplay menu and turn off autoaiming, and turn on jumping.
> and having to navigate to the sound menu and turn the music volume off because im listening to Winamp... or turn it back on because I want to listen to OPL music thats actually in the mappack... the sound menu is pretty far to navigate through the options.
I have DLight turned off because I dont feel they are typically used with the proper color or radius for what they're attached to. Which is annoying. Or under software/8bit they are pretty washed out and barely show any difference.
> there is also the desire for a classic Quake 1 style dynamic lighting scheme which doesnt apply any color, it just raises brightness.

Its abit of a rant but I think you get the picture. Im 36 years old, I dont believe my thinking is too extraordinary here, but I dont know how people have been raised for the last 10 years.

>>4786879
That'd certainly explain why that Eriance grenade launcher looked so familiar to me.

>>4786879
>>4786892
I love the way the Q1 grenade launcher works, but it does not work properly in gzdoom because of errors in the way bouncing is handled.

If you launch grenades that explode on enemies they will probably bounce off of the top of their head if you land the grenade on them from above.

Or vice versa, a grenade that doesnt explode on enemies and just bounces off of them, will explode instantly if it hits the Top of their collision cylinder.

>>4786763
>almost as good
More like much, much better. Very pleasing to the eye and blends with the graphical style more effectively.

>>4786413
Have a rare chance for the launcher to go HUUH

>Play through JPCP again with some gameplay mod
>Map 22: Den of Vice
Oh

>>4786914
I was seriously considering that, but I'm restricting myself to Unreal and Deus Ex sounds only for the Blastmaster Mk2

>>4786914
What I dont get is why the explosion in Quake1 sounds so great in quake, but when its transposed into doom it just seems to fall a little flat and uninspiring. It sounds so much louder in Quake like someone popped a paper sack near you.
> there are some sounds that seem to go along with things like this, like HUUH and the grenade bounce sound as-it-was

Maybe I need to make the quake explosion play Twice at the same time to make it louder?

>>4786920
ok but why

>>4786927
I don't know, something kinda overcame me when I finally got access to all of the weapon sounds from Deus Ex, I had been wanting to use them for years, so I said fuck it and I wanted to go full ham.

Plus I get a weird thrill when I have limitations to work with.

>>4786890
>gibbing a baron

>>4786890
>This just makes people want to shoot you though, and it gives you bad publicity. There's alot of mappers and modders out there who try to go for as vanilla-compatible stuff as possible and when you load it up in the game it runs just fine without having to deal with any new features.
How does making a GzDoom wad rely on GzDoom features give you bad publicity?

Hey so does any ZS wizard in here know if you can programmatically define and use translations? I have a weapon whose colors I want to change under certain circumstances but I'd really prefer to not have to save copies of the sprite.

>tfw you will never have a Spider Mastercake for your birthday

>>4786939
it happens in SmoothDoom all the time.
The SSG gibs at 256 units or less
The rocket has +ExtremeDeath
And under normal circumstances most monsters including barons enter gibdeath if they end up with -30 health or worse (its possible to do with a plasma gun).

Gibbing doesnt look too much different than the normal death animation for them or for Pinkies

>>4786956
I dont think gzdoom has that capability yet.
I believe you can hotswap built-in translations or apply color gradient translations, but no custom strings of color adjustments.

>>4786969
Fuck alright I knew about those two but I was hoping there was a more complex version. I guess I'll rethink the weapon then.

>>4786969
>Gibbing doesnt look too much different than the normal death animation for them or for Pinkies
True, though the pic was most likely referring to vanilla and very certainly referring to the sound effects. But don't mind me, it just triggered my autism a little bit.

Where can I find more information on this semen demon?

>>4786984
Elsewhere.

>>4786989
Don't try me, anon.

>>4786998
Don't try me.
https://desuarchive.org/vr/search/image/9nT0xX0zo8PwKWK66YZkLA/

Get outta here with your stale reposts.

>>4786973
Huh I didn't think that color translations, alpha blending, scaling, or anything like that applied to Weapon Sprites themselves, only to sprites in the environment.

>>4787005
Even more reason to rethink it.

>>4787002
Fine, you win today, master hacker. But thanks for the information, I swear that was no repost.

>>4787015
Don't worry m8 I was just givin you shit.

Other than Doom Delta, what are some other mods that give you a rifle with improved stats instead of the usual dinky pistol? Bonus point if it's a rifle from one of the alpha builds.

>>4787053
Smooth Doom has this option

>>4787053
Hideous destructor's default class gives you a pretty decent rifle.

>>4787053
Doomzone has a neat selection in it's classes

Is there a mod that has the knockback and locational damage of Brutal/Project Brutality but without the gameplay changes? The knockback in those when shooting soldiers and imps with the shotgun is quite satisfying and the detail in locational damage and gore is quite well done. However I don't like the changes to the core gameplay, I only like these little aesthetic features that are nice for me to look at without messing with the way the game plays. Ketchup only adds blood and it isn't accurate as it makes cacos bleed red and the lost souls bleed. Ketchup's gib threshold is also much too low. I'd prefer full body gibbing to only happen from explosions. If I knew how to mod I'd try to do it myself.

I want to highlight this editor stability

>>4786051
How much work was there left to do anyway?

>>4785292
>your shitty carpet demon will forever be a /vr/ meme
if this is my legacy i'm okay with this

>>4786615
this is canon and you can't change this fuck you.

I'm looking at the detail of my techbase and I've realized what it's really missing is lighting detail.

Any tips on creating lighting variance in a level? I'm interested in different colours of lighting as well.

>>4786778
I DONT CARE IF I GET BANNED YOU MADE ME POST THIS

>>4786938
>>4786914
Fuck you, make an exception for this joke. It must be done.
not that guy btw

>>4787152
>techbase

>>4787167
Sorry man, I'm sticking to my limits

>>4787172
starbase?

>>4787174
Then I curse thee.

>>4787175
I'm just messing around because I've grown so tired of base levels that I'm beginning to hate them. No matter how good the layout is I can never find one memorable.

>>4787184
Well, to clarify there is a lot of cave/forest areas but I know how to detail the lights in them so didn't need to ask.

>>4787190
That sounds good. Know any mods with more unique environments? Pirate Doom had a sunken ghost ship level where you're underwater and I thought that was really neat. I've already played Void and Rainbow.

>>4787205
Reconstruction/Deconstruction was interesting in an atmospheric kind of way.
The anon the other day who wanted a cruisy map with atmosphere would love the shit out of that.

Strange Aeons was pretty interesting, just finished it recently with HighNoonDrifter.
Winter's Fury but you've probably already played that.

>>4787205
Unloved
Epic
Cold As Hell

>>4787101
Universal Gibs does the gibbing.

>>4787212
>>4787218
Thanks guys, I'm downloading those and I'm going to give them a spin here in a minute.

>>4784681

>The swimmable water, sorry, blood, is neat but since that area is undetailed anyway make it as thick as you can in the underwater "fog".

I tried and don't seem to be able to affect it directly. I can try to mock it with darker lighting though i guess?

>>4787251
>go to control sector for the water
>set fog there
>it crosses over to the swimmable blood

Tell me if this works. Going to bed in 30 minutes.

>>4787053
Weapons of Saturn

>>4787251
This -seems- to be the darkest I can make it without messing with the logical lighting (tree shade, holes in canopy let light in, blood logically darkens more than water granted.)

resized mushrooms up next, let me go grab pic

>>4787212
Just started Strange Aeons and this is great so far. I love these unconventional environments.

>>4787262
>>4787254
>>4787254
I already tried this doctor, right before I made the post. fucked around for about 45 mins before I gave up and said "fuck it this will have to do"

new mushroom scales. god gzdb's udmf functions are handy.

shame it doesn't have the mighty pen tool and overlapping nodeless linedefs like DBX though.

>>4787262
>>4787269
If that's the max then that's the max.
I feel like if you're keen on the mushrooms you have them in a smaller space and have more sector detail around them, like they're in lower/depressed areas or in little hideaways.
Like that they're scattered like items to pick up, when I first saw them I thought they were health bonuses.

Just remembered with the water, you can make 3d sectors on top of eachother darker than the last, that way you can make it darker and darker as you go down.

>>4787265
Yeah it's interesting for it's abstract designs.
Remember the revenant replacements with the shoulder beams are your pals and help you out.

>>4787273
Yeah, I forgot about that. I might do that if I come back to the map or end up refining and completing it, but I think I'm coming very close to scrapping it and starting an E1 replacement since i already did one last year; but still finishing the concept for some other anons to play with if they want to recycle it for their own purposes.

>I feel like if you're keen on the mushrooms you have them in a smaller space and have more sector detail around them, like they're in lower/depressed areas or in little hideaways.
Like that they're scattered like items to pick up, when I first saw them I thought they were health bonuses.
more specifically:
>like they're in lower/depressed areas
>or in little hideaways.
>Like that they're scattered like items to pick up, when I first saw them I thought they were health bonuses.
Oh, good idea. I am pretty keen on the mushrooms, but green small and blue large mushrooms were the best I could think of; both in color and contrast to the ample reds which without would break the map (and i'm still not fond of the decreases in red so far, but whatever, i'll deal with it.)
>Like that they're scattered like items to pick up, when I first saw them I thought they were health bonuses.
I didn't really consider this; but your suggestion gives me better idea for detailing yes, as most of my stuff is just wall/floor indents and stuff. I know I can look at pictures and images of real caves and situations where the mushrooms would grow; but it's also easier if one has a possible similar refrence in DOOM itself

I don't think it's the max; but it's very late and I'm feeling a tid lazy so i'll keep it for that for now and tweak it later if I feel more keen on the map itself. I just really want to get this concept down before I go to a cacodemon-centric map or an entire E1 replacement

We should have a "modder's essentials" segment on the "so you want to make/map some fucking doom" thing, so people can quickly find references in-doom.

>>4786879
>it's flobby and slightly off-center
why is quake like this and why am I only now noticing it

>>4787289
Might be cool on the modders essentials part.
Should bring it up when the thread is more active.

You're able to map really quickly but I don't know if you should scrap the whole level. If you do decide to release it here (but announce where it's expected to "end" or just put an exit switch there) and see all the feedback, not taking it too hard since you've thrown it away.

But you can recycle concepts you wanted in it into future levels.

>>4786827
what map/mods are you running here?

>>4787302
>But you can recycle concepts you wanted in it into future levels.
That's the plan and that's what I typically like to do. I really don't like throwing -anything- out, regardless of how 'bad' it is; I feel if I can figure out how, I can recycle it or rework it in the future and make it better.- which is why I think theres no such thing as truly bad game design- only bad execution.

Something more like this, parsay? I need to tweak the light levels in here, make them "pop" more.

>>4786080
>"fuck this wad" compared to even all the other stuff, the boss fight at the end. You start off surrounded by 4 Bruiser Demons in an enclosed space, FOUR FUCKING BRUISER DEMONS IN AN ENCLOSED SPACE. THIS IS MAP TWO OF FORTY OR SOMETHING
Stop playing on UV, then.

>>4787313
I really need to stagger those eyes's texture state so they don't all look at the same spot at once.

I fucking love this animated eye.

>>4787302
>>4787254
Speaking of those heart barrel reskins; is there a way to change a wall texture on a monster's death? For switches. Eyes connected to hearts should probably close.

>>4787301
because fuck you, that's why
don't stare at the shotgun or RL too hard, either