/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4778538

Brought it up in another thread but the Tandy CoCo rarely gets brought up even in the retro computing threads. I only got into it recently but I'm really liking it.

>>4778538
Arcade systems and any system that wasn't close to winning a console war. The older, the less discussion, with 5th gen over-flooding the board.

My favorite kind of platform is the one where you double tap down and you fall through it, and you can jump back up onto it from underneath by just passing through it.

>>4778538
Anything not nintendo

>>4778538
Master System's Ms. Pac-Man is better than the Genesis version, the NES version and the SNES version. It's second only to the arcade. Also I like Wonder Boy the Dragons Trap

>>4778538
>tfw had a pathological obsession with the game Zillion as a kid but didn't realize the code glyphs were mirrored numbers until seeing the same glyphs in a puzzle in school
>always thought it was funny how the zillion guns were modeled after the Light Phaser
>later found out Zillion was a licensed game based on an old anime and the sega light phaser was a toy that copied the gun from the anime
>discovered there is a full jpop vocal track of the main game music and the game music is a chiptune imitating it
the fucking lore in this fucking game I swear

song is called Pure Stone if anybody cares

>>4778647
That doesn't qualify because it is the most overrated console of any generation.

>>4779105
>The SNES is the most overrated console of any generation.

Fucking Christ, I'm still gutted my grandfather fought a war for young fags like you.

>>4779251
I'm 36. I'm pretty sure I'm older than you. Besides, I'm only speaking the truth. Something you fanboys have a hard time grasping because of "muh youtube e-celeb" and the propaganda they spew.

>>4779105
It's only really overrated in that its ignorant fanboys are always dumping on the Genesis.
>>4779371
>le "e-celeb" boogeyman

>>4778538

>ZedX Speccy
>Amiga 500
>Master System
>golden age arcade boards (barring Donkey Kong, which is overrated shite)

Am I forgetting anything?

>>4779504
>ZedX Speccy
>Amiga 500
These are highly overrated.
>golden age arcade boards
This I agree with.

>>4778794
Patrician taste

>>4778760
I got a CoCo 3 with a 512KB ram upgrade. I bought that Dungeons of Drudgemore or what ever that FPS RPG is for it.

>>4779531
How can something that's not even come across the pond be overrated?

>And why isn't it called the ZX-Spectrum? Why does every brit replace the letter Z with Zed?

>>4778538
one of the worst picks

>>4779614
Because Britbongs are always going on about it, but it's complete dogshit.

>>4779105
SNES, Mega Drive and Famicom are ONLY systems correctly rated.
Master System is slightly underrated by Americans and slightly overrated by Europeans, it's definitely not a bad system, it's better than the Famicom hardware-wise (although the Master System, aka Mark 4, was a revision of the Mark III, which was released 2 years after the Famicom). It was a nice system to own back in the day, definitely up to standards and you have a lot of great first party Sega games, and some third party hayden jems, but ultimately Famicom trumps it in terms of catalogue.
It's kind of the same with the N64, which it's slightly underrated in Europe and slightly overrated in America (and not just USA, it was huge in Canada and Mexico too). I think N64 has a few more interesting games in its library than the SMS, mainly because many of the N64 good games are exclusives, while many of the good SMS games are arcade ports.
Also N64 has the multiplayer factor which also makes it a bit more desirable, but the Master System is definitely one of the big systems of retro times. It's not Jaguar or 3DO, come on.

>>4779371
No I'm older than you. Bought a SNES on launch day with my own pocket money which I saved for months in advance. Played Super Mario World so much I got a blister on my thumb.

How much of a special-snowflake contrarian do you have to be to call the SNES 'over-rated'?

>>4779958
I've been a PC gamer since 1992 and I think the SNES is pretty good. What other console has more than three worthwhile exclusives you can name from memory?

>>4779995
Any good console.

>>4779998
Name one and three.

>>4780002
Literally any Sega, Nintendo or Sony system you can think of have great exclusivea.

>>4780002
Well since this thread was initially about the SEGA Master System, how about:

Psycho Fox
Wonderboy III
Phantasy Star
Alex Kidd In Shinobi World
Mickey Mouse Castle Of Illusion (completely different game from the Megadrive/Genesis version)

To name but a few. The Master System was a great console. Of course, that still doesn't put it on par with the SNES though.

>>4778538
I don’t know why, but I could never quite get into the SMS (wasn’t big on the NES either.) with exception of Rampage and Astro Warrior.

>>4778760
Found a bunch of CoCo games, but no CoCo. Finally found a CoCo, now I don’t know where I put those games. ;_;

>>4780032
Symphony of the Night is the only PS1 game worth playing today and it's not even entirely exclusive anymore, besides the masterpiece of an opening scene which was rewritten for later releases.

>>4780287
>besides the masterpiece of an opening scene which was rewritten for later releases.
The PSP version has the original japanese with subtitles anyway. The old english dub is fine for laughs but that's it.

>>4778538
TURBO FUCKING GRAFX 16 (pc-engine)

also Neo Geo, but I feel it's somewhat well known nowadays

>>4780229
That can't be real

>>4780325
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Master_(console)
>released in 1990
>"graphics on par with the Atari 2600"
>64x64 screen resolution
>that tilted d-pad
>"designed to compete with the Nintendo Game Boy"

>>4780040
>Wonderboy III
better on the pc engine. still got those other 4 i guess

>>4780320
>PC Engine

a correct choice, starting to get a little more fame lately

>>4780347
>>4780325
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hIl-g0ZVkA

>>4780352
>playing wb3 on the pc engine
lol, enjoy having music nowhere near this good, NECbeard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SJUE_X3F38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecr8TPvVOkc

>>4779371
if you're actually 36, than you're one of the most pathetic people i've ever seen

>>4780363
Is this a Hungarian Apple II clone?

>>4780887
It's like a ZX 81 with more RAM and somewhat different hardware. Lots of shit was ported from the ZX80/81 to it

>>4778538
SEGA Master System was my first console (before that I was a C-64 kid). It's a shame America was so dominated by Nintendo that they never got to experience how good the system was, especially in Europe.

>>4781006
did you know Hiroshi Yamauchi wasn't actually a human being? He was a vessel that enclosed 7 yakuza oni spirits from 7 different regions in Japan. These oni monopolized the gambling in Japan with the hanafuda Nintendo cards and put a spell so that no other company could produce cards, truly evil.

Yamauchi, often referred to as "大魔王 ティラノ天堂" (Great Evil King Tyranotendo), tyranized the video games market with his monopolic practises, it is said that the Master System or the PC Engine didn't actually ever exist, and that they were invented time after so hide the fact that the Famicom was actually the one and only console existing in Japan.

>>4780287
amazing

inb4 not retro

>>4781296
This explains a lot.

>>4781351
not retro.

Master System has a very distinctive, not at all unpleasant sound to all it's music. I feel as if I could listen to music from random 8 bit games I'm not even familiar with and instantly pick out the melancholy tones of a Master System.

>>4781351
don't even know what that is. looks fun though

>>4779048
Same for Master System Lemmings imo. I also prefer MS Bubble Bobble to the NES version, though not strongly.

>>4780352
>playing wb3 on the pc engine
lol, enjoy having music nowhere near this good, NECbeard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SJUE_X3F38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecr8TPvVOkc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWeQ1TsQPDg

>>4781645
wrong fucking image

>>4781645
>don't even know what that is. looks fun though
Amstrad CPC running a 2017 game
http://www.babas-palace.com/

>>4780040
SMS had very good ports too
>Golvellius
>Ultima 4
>Rastan
>California Games
>Outrun
>Marble Madness
>Dynamite Headdy

>>4781731
>Dynamite Headdy
I've got the MS doohickey for my Megadrive and a couple games. I've been actively avoiding anything that also had a release on Megadrive, as I don't give a shit about collectability. Is DH worth playing to someone who has the MD one? Are there, in your opinion, other examples of this?

>>4781645
>>4781658
>wrong fucking image
No, you definitely posted the fucking image the first time round...unless Magical Sound Shower is some sort of fetish thing of which even this depraved soul is unaware?

>>4781779
"Sound" was a misprint, it was supposed to be "golden"

>>4781647
>wavetable > FM

>>4781783
Hurrrr

>>4781748
It's not even close to the MD one in quality. But I still think it's worth playing once.
>Are there, in your opinion, other examples of this?
I'd say Dick Tracy is a good one. And so is E-Swat.
If the Game Gear counts, Gunstar Heroes, Ristar and the Shinobi games. Pretty impressive games considering the hardware.

>>4781943
>If the Game Gear counts
sorta kinda not really but sure. I wish there was some kind of converter to play GG games on a Megadrive, even a shitty 3rd party aftermarket one. I don't like having to choose between emulation and the fucking GameGear screen

>Shinobi
is exactly why

>>4781974
The Game Gear has way more colors than the Master System and even the Mega Drive, so a faithful conversion isn't possible. There are however quite a few Game Gear to Master System hacks that run pretty well at the cost of losing colors. There should be hacks for the GG Shinobi games out there if you want to try them on your flashcart.

>>4779728
I've always wanted a Jaguar, but there just isn't enough good games to warrant me to buy one.

>>4779958
Snowflake? You're the one who got offended by my post. Fact is that SNES is overrated. SNES fanboys like yourself get too easily offended when someone says something you don't like when it comes to criticizing Nintendo systems. There's a sea of Sega Genesis games that Nintendo fanboys have never bothered to play. Games that were actually very good. But they keep saying "there were no good games on Sega Genesis", when in reality they have never owned a Sega Genesis or played many of the games available for that system. So go ahead, get offended again. It's not my fault you don't like the truth.

>>4780803
>you're one of the most pathetic people i've ever seen
*Never seen.

I haven't shown my face on here you idiot. But go ahead, act butt-hurt. I enjoy drinking your tears.

>>4783529
>There's a sea of Sega Genesis games that Nintendo fanboys have never bothered to play.
And there is also probably a sea of SNES and SFC games that die-hard Sega fanboys never played, what's your point?
>But they keep saying "there were no good games on Sega Genesis"
Nobody in this thread said that, you were the first one to come up and start a 16-bit console war shitfest.
Some of us grew up segatendo idorts, understand?
Both SNES and MD are correctly-rated, they are the best consoles from the best era.

>>4780347
that fuckin d pad I can t stop laughin
what were they thinking

>>4781974
https://www.hyperkin.com/retro/retron-5/retron-5-3-in-1-adapter-for-game-gear-master-system-and-master-system-card-hyperkin.html

You could do a mod like Mike Matei is using.

>>4779048
On the last dungeon of the Dragon's Trap remake and it's been a wonderful experience.

>>4779614
>Why does every brit replace the letter Z with Zed?
Why does every American replace the letter Z with Zee? It's literally every other English speaking country who says Zed, not just Brits. Why do Americans think their mangled English is the norm and everyone else is weird for speaking / spelling correctly?

>>4783598
>>4779614
Let's be frank, anglo languages are retarded.

>>4783540
>what's your point?
My point being that Nintendo fanboys bash the Sega Genesis without playing the majority of the games, not knowing if it's good or not. Fanboyism blinds them.

>Nobody in this thread said that, you were the first one to come up and start a 16-bit console war shitfest.
Stop getting worked up over nothing. I'm just stating a fact and I've seen it posted many times on this forum before.

>Some of us grew up segatendo idorts, understand?
I'm the one who posted this.... ---> >>4779371 So I'm certainly was a Sega/Nintendo/Playstation fan growing up. Which is why it's very easy for me to say that the SNES is overrated. I would know first hand because I've had both a Sega Genesis & a SNES as a kid and rented many games for both consoles. Some multiplat games I like on one console over the other (Batman Returns for the SNES is much better than the Genesis version, or Robocop Vs Terminator for the Genesis is better than the SNES version). So I have a very fair minded unbiased view of both consoles.

>>4783615
You're still making a console war out of nothing.
SNES and MD are both great, and not overrated.
Also
>36
>had SNES as a kid
>SNES Jr model
Nice joke.

>>4783646
And you're still getting butt-hurt by my honest opinion of how overrated SNES is. The SNES Jr looks way better than the original version, which is why I have that version and gave away my original SNES to my brother. Even the Sega Saturn I own isn't the original one I bought(the black American one is what I originally owned).

>>4784356
>getting butt-hurt
Not really, just giving my opinion that the best era is the 4th gen and that both MD and SNES are spectacular systems with so many great games.
If anything, the one getting butthurt here is you, who seem to be alienated, thinking anyone who likes the SNES is a Nintendo fanboy boogeyman, when SNES has so many 3rd party titles, even without Nintendo's 1st party stuff the SNES is amazing.

>>4784356
The SNES is not overrated retard. It's highly praised and it deserves its praise.

The only overrated retro system is PS1. Tons of mediocre and subpar systems, and most of its greatest hits are non-exclusive anyway. You could only really love it if you were a JRPGfag.

>>4784514
I disagree, the PSX is amazing and probably my favorite console of all time. Tons of JRPGs, fighting games, shmups, racing... I don't know man it was just an excellent console. If you're into FPS or platformers then I guess it wasn't the best.

>>4784519
It is vastly inferior to the Saturn for fighting games and shmups but anyone who calls it overrated is just being contrarian. I'm not a fan of platformers but Spyro is pretty cool and I would say PS1 is arguably the best console for 3D platformers considering how few there were on the N64.

>>4784514
The best PS1 title is an upgraded SNES game. The console succeeded only because Nintendon't fucked up so hard with those expensive and low capacity cartridges.

>>4784534
It's inferior to Saturn for shmups yeah, but there are a lot of shmup titles that are PSX only. As far as fighting games, I really don't know enough about the Saturn to make that call. Did it have a better port of Street Fighter Alpha 3? I know it didn't get Bushido Blade

>>4784550
Alpha 3 on the Saturn along with some other cool games use the ram expansion pack for more frames of animation and reduced loading times. The Saturn version of Alpha 3 is allegedly better than arcade perfect.

>>4784387
False. You're obviously butt-hurt by me calling the SNES overrated. Fanboys always get defensive when someone gives criticism to a console they love. Which you've displayed that kind of defensiveness, as if someone had murdered your dog or something. Just because I call the SNES overrated, doesn't mean I don't love it. I've grew up enjoying the SNES, mainly the exclusives that it had to offer.

>>4784496
Another butt-hurt Nintendo fanboy detected. It is an overrated console. Quit getting butt-hurt over someone's opinion of a console, dumbass.

>>4784845
Nah, at the end of the day, I don't mind. I just don't think it's overrated, is all. The fact you jump all altered calling everyone a Nintendo fanboy suggests that it's you who has a problem, though.

>>4784952
So, if you think all consoles are rated equally, why do you think your opinion matters?

Just don't post at all, my dude. Same effect.

>>4785935
I don't think all consoles are rated equally, in fact, in my first post I said I think the SMS is slightly overrated in Europe and slightly underrated in America.
But MD and SNES? Both correctly rated, and best consoles ever made.
Also, I was also calling you out on your paranoia about everyone who dare to like the SNES being a royal nintendo fanboy.

>>4785941
>I don't think all consoles are rated equally, in fact, in my first post I said I think the SMS is slightly overrated in Europe and slightly underrated in America.
OK, my mistake, then. You'd be right since the NES absolutely dominated here in the US.

>But MD and SNES? Both correctly rated, and best consoles ever made.
Seems a bit contradictory to call them best ever in one phrase and then correctly rated in another, no?

>Also, I was also calling you out on your paranoia about everyone who dare to like the SNES being a royal nintendo fanboy.
I wasn't the guy calling you "butt-hurt", just someone else making an interjection. Funny you accuse him of paranoia but then assume I'm him, though. Are you the same guy that accuses people of being "Australia-kun", too? Might wanna see a shrink about those delusions, bro.

>>4785969
>Seems a bit contradictory to call them best ever in one phrase and then correctly rated in another, no?
Not at all, they are correctly rated as the most celebrated consoles of all time.
If you weren't the same guy, then my mistake. And no I never actually typed the name of Australia-kun (this might be my fist time), but I remember his old posts in PC threads, hilarious fella.

>>4785969
>Funny you accuse him of paranoia but then assume I'm him, though
One thing is to assume one guy is the same when he jumps into a conversation suddenly on an anonymous board. That's not paranoia.
Assuming that everyone who doesn't hate the SNES is some sort of fanboy, though, is.
>>4785986
Nobody really mentions australiakun anymore, he keeps posting the same pictures to trigger people, then complain when his posts get deleted. And what PC threads? I remember him from Castlevania threads.

>>4778538
most of /vr/ wasn't even born when this was on its prime. It's just a bunch of pretentious retards who thinks they are better than /v/

>>4778538
Gunpei Yokoi's swan song.

>>4778538
lol master system

yet another shit tier failed console by a shit tier company

Sega!

>>inb4 M-M-Muh Alex Kidd!

>>inb4 M-M-Muh Sanic!

>>4787757
good quality post

now kys

>>4779470
lol "dumping on the genesis"

dumping on a shit tier flash in the pan console with few good exclusives, featuring mostly sports games and shovelware shmups, whose best known series is made and marketed for literal autists.

>>inb4 BLAST PROCESSING
>>inb4 M-M-Muh SANIC!

>>4783529
>>good genesis games

>>all four of them

SEGA!

>>4787250
>most of /vr/ wasn't even born when this was on its prime. It's just a bunch of pretentious retards who thinks they are better than /v/

Sadly I think this is correct. Tangentially related, in my area almost no one had a master system. I was a kid at the time (born in 80) but the only exposure I ever had to it was a couple magazine ads and one commercial that I remember playing on a local over the air channel. It looked really great but there was no way I could convince my parents to get me one for christmas. Later I did get a genesis and seeing these master system ads had a lot to do with that.

>>4787776
hardly anybody had any Sega system besides the Genesis, which was a flash in the pan console, with few good exclusives, the rest of the library made up of shmups, sports games, and bad arcade ports, besides their flagship series, marketed towards literal autists, which the managed to ruin past the point of saving after five games

>>inb4 BLAST PROCESSING

>>inb4 M-M-Muh SANIC!

>>4787782

kek. I said I had a sega, not a sanic furry.

In my PERSONAL opinion I think the genesis was an awesome system to own back in the day but i've actually started to prefer the snes library. I'm not big on sports games, most arcade ports are better to just play the original on mame. Again, I think it was a great system back in the day, but to me snes is a bit more interesting to play decades later.

I'm not trying to console war, it's a silly exercise, both systems have good points and good games.

>>4784952
No. I call people who get defensive of Nintendo over an opinion they don't like, a fanboy.

>>4787782
>Hardly anyone had a Sega system
>flash in the pan console
>few good exclusives
You obviously never owned a Sega console, let alone played any games. My guess is you're a casual.

>>4778538
I played Phantasy Star on a Master System emulator for a couple hours in the 00s. Should I play it all the way through or one of the remakes?

>>4787978
I'm more of a 4th gen fanboy, if anything. As I said, both SNES and Genesis are amazing, and correctly rated as the best consoles ever.
At least you're not as retarded as this guy >>4787782

>>4788034
Had a Genesis, I don't believe it's the second best console ever. How many Genesis games can you name without looking them up? I never had my own SNES and I can recall more for that.

>>4788042
Too many to name.
Let's do this instead, tell me what Genesis games did you grew up with and I'll tell you how much did you miss out.

>>4788034
True. That guy definitely didn't grow up with a Genesis.

Is the Dreamcast overrated?

Lots of hipsters praise the h*ck out of it on the internets for some reason, despite having a small and somewhat dull library compared to actual great systems.

>>4788462
It has great arcade ports but most of what were originally exclusives ended up on other systems.

>>4788462
It's definitely not a great system, but it's an okay one despite its small library. I don't think it's particularly over- or underrated; it has fans, but most people have simply forgotten about it.

>>4788462
It has more games than N64

When I want to know what's on a console, I search "top [console] games"

Even though no more games for it will be published, it's still necessary to add "of all time" to every headline. Why they do that?

>>4787776
There were 3 kids at my school with a master system and I was one of them
I always wonder if I would have had more friends if I'd gotten an NES. Maybe I wouldn't have grown up as such an elitist prick. Maybe I would have been able to relate with the other kids and talk to them about video games.
life is suffer

>>4788605
Nah, you're just shit at socializing.
If you had a Master System instead of a NES, you'd talk to the kids about SMS games, and you'd want to hear about NES games too, eventually leading to inviting some kids to your house to play SMS; and viceversa.

>>4788614
That anon was clearly being sarcastic and mocking people who didn't have an idort master race childhood, so they act like arrogant assholes online.

>>4778794
i like that implementation too, makes the platform like an actual geofeature jutting out from cliff-like background. Reminds me of rock climbing desu. Prefer down + jump to descend though.

>>4788614
I had the master system and genesis as a kid and I'd invite my "friend' over to play a lot, but he'd never let me even touch his SNES controller when we go over to his house to play SNES. Fucking prick.

>>4788503
>Even though no more games for it will be published, it's still necessary to add "of all time" to every headline. Why they do that?

Looks like it worked, you clicked the clickbait. ;)

>>4781647
>FM sound that doesn't even have unofficial support

do you like having a choppy framerate that doesn't even hit 30 fps?

>>4788994
You should, too, BEFORE YOU DIE

>>4788994
I don't click that shit. Just look at what the Google page itself shows me.

>>4788462
yes, the n64 of all systems is better

>>4788034
No, they aren't correctly rated. If you make a thread anywhere on the internet, comparing them or not, you'll see the kind of shit people spout.
And not only by the teenager who discovered Chrono Trigger on zsnes last month. The ones who are supposedly knowledgeable are also heavily biased.
https://youtu.be/4dT7z1PdF64

>>4781974
Reminder, unlike the Gameboy, the Gamegear still holds up after all these years.

**yes, I know Gameboy is fun & not trash. But it doesn't stand up, because it's not color (everyone emulates the NES version over the Gameboy one)**

>>4778538
I haven't seen many talk about consoles made in China. There are some great games it could play.

>>4790282
>hundreds of dollars woth of flashcarts
>non original hardware
I would honestly rather emulate that use a shitty clone console.

>>4789174
I'd prefer the GameGear over the Gameboy anytime. After having a C64 and Amiga, the Gameboy to me looked very outdated even back in the day. So I bought a GameGear.

But as nice at it was having a portable Master System it had it's flaws. The thing ate Batteries like a motherfucker (a decent power supply was a necessary equipment) and the very low effort production value resulted in a failure rate somewhere at est. 90% over time. Most of the GameGears by now have at least one tried out, leaking or even blown capacitor since Sega saved money especially on these essential parts.

The capacitors are one of the main problems with other older consoles and home computers too, but not nearly as severe as with the extremely cheap ones that Sega used for the GameGear.

>>4790416
>>4789174
At first, I also decided to go for a Game Gear.
Having color was a no-brainer, but what really determined me to get one was the TV antenna adaptor thing, I was like "wooooaaah, I could watch the TV at school!".
I eventually got a GG, and I enjoyed it for what it was, but eventually I also got a Game Boy as a present and realized it just had more games.
And yeah, batteries was a real problem. And my GG's screen is dead (I know it might be possible to fix it, I haven't tried), my old brick GB still works like the first day, batteries seem to last even longer than before, I don't know.

>>4787980
In your mind the antithesis of casual must be "autistic" since everyone who's a sega fan is the opposite of casual

>>4790448
>batteries seem to last even longer than before, I don't know.
Batteries today are much much much better than they were 25+ years ago.

This also helps the GG and Lynx of course and I regularly see over 7 hours playtime on modern alkalines or rechargeable speaker with those systems, better in fact than you get with much newer handhelds with their fancy-dancy lithium packs.

>>4790460
>speaker
wtf android? Cells.

>>4779371
Oh please, there are wayy more overrated consoles. Gamecube, PS3(if you dont like japanese games), wii(by normies), the fucking Atari 2600 could be considered overrated as it brought the video game crash but I at least give it credit for making home consoles popular. Hell id argue you Saturn fans overrate trhe console cause its full of jap exclusives you can only play if you know the language.

>>4790327
That would require more money than the Chinese bootlegs pictured. The Chinese consoles aren't as bad as you'd think, aside from the potential to set the whole place on fire.

>>4790454
>autistic
I don't use that to describe anyone with because it is dumb to do so. I don't think you know the meaning of the word.

>>4791967
PS3, Gamecube and Wii aren't retro though. Atari 2600, no one ever talks about, won't even consider it overrated since it gets bashed on for the video game crashed. As for Saturn, it gets bashed on too, definitely not overrated. SNES is the king when it comes to overrated consoles.

>>4793817
>dumb
I don't use that to describe anyone with because it is stupid to do so. I don't think you know the meaning of the word.