/vr/ - Retro Games

There were so many 2D platformers out on the market in 1991, that I don;t think people were really longing for Pitfall. Maybe there were small groups of people like that?

1991 was all about Sonic the Hedgehog vs Super Mario World.

>>4774529
I don't remember anyone expressing nostalgia for previous gen gaming until the 5th gen came along and shit all over 30 years of progress.

>>4774545
Really? When I was a kid we all loved the PS1 and N64.

>>4774545
Elitism existed as soon as the first 3D games appeared, at least.

The first form of elitism I experienced myself was when some kids were being condescendent to console games because they played stuff like Command and Conquer on the PC.
But nevertheless you could tell they actually wanted to play console games, they had to get content with what they had.
Emulation came some time later though, and when that happened, all of my PC-elitist friends were obsessing over SNES, NES, Genesis and N64 games. Yeah despite the shitty N64 emulation of the early 00s, they were all having orgasms playing OOT for the first time.

>>4774584
Fuck off kid.

Elitism existed since the NES.
Shittalking adds, corporate espionage, price of games.
Elitism always exist.
Most these games were fucking 50+ dollars.
You know how awesome it was to talk about video games when half your bus couldn't afford even 1?
Let alone you have a small collection of the coolest video games of the time?

>>4774541
This is more accurate, while some elitism still existed.
Upon a superior console being created the latter consoles just fall away.
It's hard to judge a game like Pitfall when Mario World was objectively better.
>better graphics
>better music
>better gameplay
It was no contest, so little to no comparison can be made.

Now story will always be subjective, yes obviously there are games where 99.9% of people will one game is better than another so it might as well be an objective statement.
Take the FF series.
FF6 to this day is still among the top what 2-3 FF games for story?
FF7 is likely the same boat. Both are on consoles that are generations old enough.
I think you could argue even fifty years later both will still probably have the best stories of those series.

For personal reference, I am fond of Arcade games like Tempest on an actual arcade cabinet. I enjoy such items better than even the newest game.
It's just funner to have a quick thirty minutes and play some. Investing days really doesn't interest me anymore.

read through some usenet archives sometime

>>4774612
>Most these games were fucking 50+ dollars.
Maybe for consolefags. On home computer you could get cassette games for like 1 dollar each.

>>4774612
>Elitism existed since the NES.
Fuck off kid. Elitism existed before the NES with the Magnavox Odyssey, Atari 2600, Intellivision and ColecoVision.

>>4774635
And very few of them reached the quality of games published by the likes of Capcom, Konami, Taito, Square, etc.

>>4774621
These are a gold mine. Not /vr/, but people were also arguing about which Star Wars movies were shit all the way back at the beginning of the Internet. Online culture has hardly changed. The only differences are accessibility and prettiness.

>>4774640
>I'm just pretending to be retarded
xDDDD
>xDDD

>>4774635
The number of successful home computer games before 1990 can be counted on both hands.
The number of successful console games before 1990 range in the hundreds.
It's simple, consoles were created for the sole purpose of gaming.
No computer programmers created a home computer for the sole purpose of gaming.
It would of just been called a console.

>>4774640
Fuck off kid, Elitism existed before the Magnavox Odyssey, Atari 26000, Intellivision and ColecoVision.
>what is arcade systems for 500

>>4774529
I remember people insisting that gaming when to shit when Atari died. That the NES was a pox that fucked over gaming forever.

>>4774670
Graffiti exist on a wall in a pompeii pub that translate roughly to
>Anon is a huge faggot
and
>I fucked Anons mom
Things never change, seriously. We are still making mistakes that the first humans made over 10k years ago.
I'm pretty sure some asshole got uppity when the first CaveChad painted a circle with blood and started throwing rocks at it.
>why not just throw rock at random direction like good old days, why ruin rock throw game with objective
A millennia from now we will still be talking shit when new things come out.

>>4774664
Nice shitposting.

>>4774665
>Atari 26000

>>4774679
Humans are such faggots, lol.

>>4774696
https://kashgar.com.au/blogs/history/the-bawdy-graffiti-of-pompeii-and-herculaneu
If you're interested.

Nothing changes, i'm serious.

>>4774692
>damage control
xDDDDDDDDD
Sure thing kid, stay mad.

>>4774659
It seems like we say nigger more often now though

um didnt anyone watch chasing ghosts and king of kong? all those faggots thought anything past 70's/early 80's arcades and atari 2600 games were garbage

>>4774701
The only one damage controlling here is you. I'm not mad at all. Just popped in to point out how retarded you are. :^)

>>4774679
Ehhh I don't think it's mistakes. Things getting better.

>>4774814
Better in some ways, worse in others.
We won't be able to discern anyway because we're already conditioned by our own experiences to think that our era is the best humanity has ever been. Every generation thinks that.

>>4774873
I don't agree with that though. As said, I think things are getting better and better.

>>4774756
>can't stop responding
>not mad
sure thing kid.

>>4774919
Not that Anon, but you have to understand.
We are still humans, we may evolve to be something else eventually, but right now we are humans and always will act as humans.

That's what my original pompeii post was about.

Things get better because of technology and medicine, but we as humans are no different than we were even thousands of years ago.

With how quickly technology is changing now though, it is a real possibility we will not be considered human within a hundred to a thousand years.

How we will be different, I don't think it's something we can comprehend.

>>4774621
Ataritard absolutely SEETHING

>>4774529
well here's your answer, yep it's always existed
>>4774621

>>4774529
Remember Cranky Kong?

>>4774529
Not like today, because both technology and game design were advancing much more rapidly then. Also, the adult videogame market was much smaller than it is today. To the extent nostalgia elitism was prevalent, it was more notable in movies and popular music than videogames.

I remember when Mario was out all the older kids were into it, I never heard them say "Atari was better" or anything, they thought it was amazing just like the rest of us. That was my experience anyway.

If you hear any "elitism" now it's because the quality of games has gone down by a lot as the industry has consolidated around a few archetypes and companies.

>>4774621
>this seething nerd is a senior citizen now

>>4774529
SMW level design is dogshit, so I don't think the statement is that controversial.

>>4775447
What wrong with it? It's been years since I played World. I don't remember enjoying it as much as 3, but I don't remember it being particularly bad. Fuck the ghost houses though, those I remember being obnoxious

>>4774612
Fuck off kid, elitism has existed since Tennis For Two came out.

>>4774621
>right wing
The eternal /pol/ boogeyman

>>4775457
There's been a meme for a while now where people pretend to take part on a supposed war where you either love World and hate 3, or viceversa.
Don't take it seriously, it's just shitposting.

>>4774621
Right wing garbage? What does that even mean?

>>4774529
> How long has nostalgia elitism existed?
only in the last 15 years.
>>4774529
>Like, when Mario World first released were there people who thought something like Pitfall was much better?
no. absolutely not.

>>4774612
>>4774640
nostalgia elitism, you illiterate fucks. we're talking about modern times.

>>4774621
> usenet
what a source of facts.
>>4775565
typical usenet shitpostings from back then. retards dribbling shit about things they know nothing about. it's like /vr/, but with far more retards.

>>4775527
>>right wing

Not surprising, given that HW Bush was the president in 1989, and possibly one of Amereica's least popular presidents pf all time. Given that he only ever won one term and lost to Clinton.

But reading that post, I feel like the polarities would have flipped and this would be "Left Wing garbage" instead.

Why this thread have so many /v/ kids?

>>4775527
>>right wing

Clearly not a George HW Bush fan. HW Bush is generally looked at as one of America's least popular presidents. The guy only lasted one term and lost to the charm of Bill Clinton.

I feel like this left and right politics have flipped since then.

>>4774679
>10k years ago
The world is 6,000 years old you fag

>>4774529
No but we thought SMB3 was better back then and it turns out we were right.

I didn't experience this until I started browsing GameFAQs in the early 00's. I don't recall ever having a friend or relative who would scoff at another persons property, or claim intellectual superiority over another based on an object their mom bought them.

>>4774529
I don't know but I felt it in myself the first time when Nintendo dropped 2D graphics like a hot potato. I'm still angry about that. 3D games are fine but not every game needs to be 3D and worst of all some genres just died more or less with that jump.

>>4774529
Among all the bullshit in this thread I will tell you that yes there was an elitism. But not one person in this thread has mentioned where it came from.

It was in arcades, and it was due to the release of Street Fighter II, and the wave of fighting games that came after. The older generation of players who in the 80s played through a variety of single player vs computer games came to resent the new wave of fighting game players (and beat em' up players).

In its day Street Fighter II was considered to be the equivalent of Call of Duty. The most popular and banal game in the world. There were lots and lots of people who didn't play anything else. Then Mortal Kombat came along and that was even more offensive to the old generation of players (who at this point were off getting married and having kids instead of playing games).

There was also some amount of elitism and resentment from the old arcade generation when it came to home consoles. There were a lot of people who didn't own any home consoles at all because they had easy access to an arcade. Sitting at home and playing a crappy port was considered to be something clueless casuals would do (but in reality a lot of the best players got good by playing ports).

>>4774919
Technology is getting better and better. Lots of things are getting worse and worse.

>massive pollution coming from China and India
>little kids put on drugs because LOLADHD
>little kids put on hormones because LOLTRANNIES
>bombings, trucks of peace and mass shootings have become the norm
>freedom of speech is non-existent in Europe and 1984 style laws are getting passed
>immigrant rape gangs run rampant for decades, only get wrist slaps
>people get longer prison terms for "offensive" twitter posts than the rapists
>sperm count and test levels in the developed world are in free fall
>video games have been heavily casualized and shamelessly commercialized

The last one is the worst but those are only a few of the many things that are not getting better and show no signs of getting better.

>>4774529
There was never elitism among kids in the 80s and 90s. We just loved games regardless of the system or the publisher.

>>4776773
>Sitting at home and playing a crappy port was considered to be something clueless casuals would do
This isn’t even remotely true, stop larping you clueless milennial cunt

>>4774529
The thing with SMW is a lot of people claimed SMB3 was better. That started right when SMW was released... so yes the elitism was there back then.

>>4776824
Bit that's not elitism. It was comparing a new game in the series to the one before. SMB3 was better by miles. The only thing SMW had on it was graphics and sound.

>>4774612
I'd honestly argue that FF2 has one of the better stories of the old FF games, but most people don't have the autism to weather the grind and see the story through

>>4776824
Pretty sure its not "nostalgia" to compare a game to its predecessor that was released like 1 year prior.

I remember reading some forum on 9/11 and one guy said let's not be so quick to say it was Muslims, we don't know who the terrorists are yet KEK some things never change

>>4776841
>grind
It takes like an hour to make your party completely over powered

>>4774584
This anon is correct
You can find pdf scans of old video game magazines. Read Game Players. The percentage scores when 3D comes along is amazing.

I grew up a console kid but I have an older friend who grew up with PC gaming.
He expresses some real elitism of Quake over Doom when it came out.

3D was the true start of elitism, its puberty.

Things are going full circle now. Hardware can do anything.

>>4775447
i'd say just the opposite

>>4775447
lol faggot it's world 2-2 get a grip

>>4775565
>Right wing garbage?
I also like this deciphered.

Because nothing he has written even resembles a coherent thought.
He makes no mention of what is so bad about nintendo
>something something technology
>something something atari can
>something something IBM PC = shit
>something something Right wing garbage

I mean at least the criticism today explains why new games are bad
>I want to play a game not watch cutscenes.
>The move to 3D (SNES VS N64) is a fad and overused platforms are far better in 2D

This is incoherent nonsense.

>>4776853
>nostalgia
It seems like half the posters in this thread either don't understand what that word means or just skim past it.

>>4774642
I'm interested in ancient history.
What where the best computer games before 1990?

>>4775419
I wouldn't say the quality of games has gone down, but innovation has slowed down in the big players and development has gotten more broad. 50 years ago, there was no videogame industry. Innovation in both technology and game design moved very quickly over the next few decades. During that time, some of the games produced had a timeless quality, and those are the ones you remember and talk about.

Pitfall is a bad example. It's historically notable for the platforming mechanics and 2D worldspace, but is a rather boring game with restrictive controls and bland graphics and sound. It's very dated today.

Pac-Man is a better example. The original arcade is a true classic that is as fun to play today as it ever was. The sound and aesthetics are primitive, but still functional and appealing. Sure, back in 1987 we were all too excited about Super Mario Brothers to look twice at an old single-screen dinosaur like Pac-Man, but now that the dust has settled you can look back objectively and see a simple but high-quality game. Maybe not better than SMB, but note how none of the actual Pac Man sequels (other than Ms. Pac Man) are true sequels to the original. They're just the Pac Man character and some thematic elements in some other genre.

Since the Reneissance when everyone was all over ancient Rome shit.

>>4774621
>Nintendo haters are crybaby leftists
Tell me something I didn’t know

>>4777218
based Nintendo defending American Christian values in the west, meanwhile Sega is demoralizing the American youth with sexualised, violent games
If you own a Sega, you're literally supporting the Soviet Union

>>4775565
>>4777063
pretty much the same thing as /v/ calling anything they don't like "sjw"

>>4777253
It’s no coincidence that every kid with divorced parents I knew growing up owned a Genesis.

>>4777269
I like a analysis of how "Nintendo" (whatever the fuck that is) is right win.

The company?
The actual hardware?!?!?!?! The NES empowers Nazis by existing?!?!?!?!?! Like the actual hardware?!?!?!?!
Nintendo games promote right wing ideologies or thinning? Now this is something I like to see explained. I simply love reading how the Smurfs are communists or how Mario is a communist or a drug addict.

How can a game about a man eating mushrooms/flowers and collecting coins while stooping on turtles and goombas be right wing?

>>4777312
BEcause I no like right wingers they mean racist poopyheads >:(
And Nintendo also big poopyheads >:(

>>4777329
1/10 at least you tried.

Try this:
http://www.nedmartin.org/v3/amused/communist-mario
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4vzfKDc7ZU
Mario? you mean video game STALIN!

did you know Hiroshi Yamauchi wasn't actually a human being? He was a vessel that enclosed 7 yakuza oni spirits from 7 different regions in Japan. These oni monopolized the gambling in Japan with the hanafuda Nintendo cards and put a spell so that no other company could produce cards, truly evil.

Yamauchi, often referred to as "大魔王 ティラノ天堂" (Great Evil King Tyranotendo), tyranized the video games market with his monopolic practises, it is said that the Master System or the PC Engine didn't actually ever exist, and that they were invented time after so hide the fact that the Famicom was actually the one and only console existing in Japan.

>>4774707
It wasn't funny back then, because the wounds were still really fresh for literally everyone who was alive. 'Nigger' only started being funny when millenials hit the internet en masse in the early and mid 2000s and wanted to be massive edgelords because they grew up in an era where most of the systemic racism of the past had been eliminated and political correctness was kind of in-vogue.

>>4775565
>>4777063
>slow, out of date
He spelled out analogy right there you morons.

>>4777307
I grew up as a Super Nintendo kid but I did end up getting a Genesis... after my parents divorced...

Holy shit...

>>4774529
>How long has nostalgia elitism existed?

Since stone tools were invented and cavemen started complaining that the new stone tools weren't as good as the original rocks.

>>4774873
>We won't be able to discern anyway because we're already conditioned by our own experiences to think that our era is the best humanity has ever been.

More specifically, we're conditioned to think the era when we were teenagers was the best. And every generation is wrong. Except for mine, of course. The 1990s really were the peak of civilization and it's been downhill ever since.

>>4778192
1700s were the peak of human civilization, 1990s were the peak of electronic gaming

It's amazing how people on /g/ wank over usenet when it was simply downright retarded.

>>4778192
>The 1990s really were the peak of civilization and it's been downhill ever since.
This but unironically. We already had all the relevant non-commercial technology we are still using today, consumer electronics weren't as cancerous as smartphones and other useless shit we have now, and the internet was still actually decentralized, not de facto governed by Google.

>>4774679
There's also the fact that a lot of our accepted history is simply outright lies.

It's very likely that we've had videogames since before the time of ancient Egypt, maybe from the very beginning when dinosaur scientists first elevated our primate ancestors to consciousness on their moon base. It would be kind of weird to have antigravity chariots but not videogames, right?
Then again, they had millions of years to perfect games as an art-form, so maybe there'd be no need for nostalgia, and that's merely a feature of our feeble reinvention of the medium and incomplete, childlike civilisation.

>>4774529
It's been around ever since the first person imagined that someone who didn't think the latest toy was the best simply because it was new was an elitist. People have been not falling for the meme for thousands of years. But I'm fairly certain that it being considered elitist is a new phenomena limited to todays underage.

>>4774529
>when Mario World first released were there people who thought something like Pitfall was much better?
No because in those days there was ONE generation of gamers and everything was an evolution of what came before. Things were always getting better for us.

>>4776880
Yeah, it turned out the terrorists are our own government... whooda thunk it?

Stay classy, sheeple!

>>4777312
>right wing = nazi/nazi apologist

Drink some more coolaid.

>>4777471
Racial slurs have always been funny, you just have to not be a sissy bitch boi to enjoy humor on a higher level. Its better to laugh at these things than be a victim to them. If you want to be a victim, you will always be a victim. Mel brooks and richard pryor are prime examples of using comedy to create laughter from misery. It helps the healing process and makes your mind stronger, but by all means, cry me a river if your feelings get hurt by a bad word.

>>4779282
No it wasn't the American government, they were mohammedans, the worlds biggest terrorist organization

>>4779293
>coolaid
*Kool-Aid

>>4779368
Pretty sure that's the USAF by a long shot.

>>4780728
If the Americans Air Force are terrorists how come they never bombed us but Muslims killed like 20 people this year?

>>4780795
Who is "us"? The USAF has bombed US citizens on a number of occasions, as well as allies, and have a nasty habit of "accidentally" blowing up things like NGO hospitals.

Even when they're doing their actual job the civilian casualty rate has been 80-90% in the last decade, according to official stats.

>>4775565
I know you're a teen who has no way of knowing that, but if your reading comprehension was better you would know that he explains what he means in the following sentence.

>>4777172
This. Good post

>>4774642
Fuck off weeb.