/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4760778
> When I was youger, I broke that TV
> Now I fucking miss it.

I looked for CRTs in Iceland for the challenge and found these two:

https://bland.is/til-solu/raftaeki/sjonvarp-og-hljod/21-sony-sjonvarp/3641910/
https://bland.is/til-solu/heimilid/stofa/sjonvarp-og-bord/2810992/

Sweden
https://www.blocket.se/stockholm/Bang___Olufsen_TV_78636375.htm?ca=1_8&w=3
https://www.blocket.se/stockholm/Tjock_TV___tillbehor_bortskankes_78903820.htm?ca=1_8&w=3
https://www.blocket.se/dalarna/Grundig_26tum_original_med_fjarrkontroll_78282810.htm?ca=1_8&w=3&last=1
https://www.blocket.se/stockholm/TV_vintage_70_tal_78534163.htm?ca=1_8&w=3

"Beo Vision MX 4000" What a bizarre CRT. But it looks good.
https://www.blocket.se/vastmanland/Fin_tjock_Bang___Olufsen_TV_78551516.htm?ca=1_8&w=3
https://www.blocket.se/malmo/Tjock_TV__2_st_78705880.htm?ca=1_8&w=3
https://www.blocket.se/stockholm/Samsung__tjock__tv_32__78415081.htm?ca=1_8&w=3

I found zero PC CRT monitors...

I'll do Norway and Finland in a minute. I enjoy this hunt just for the novelty of it.

So is there any way to get Dreamcast games like Skies of Arcadia to play on a consumer grade TV via RGB or am I going to be stuck with fuzzy composite until I get a PVM?

>>4760805
For dreamcast, you can just use its VGA output instead for 480p instead of 480i.

>>4760803
This guy is a little nutty about these TVs, but who am I to judge

https://www.f******k.com/Bang.Olufsen.Commodore/

>>4760805
A PC CRT monitor is the best way to play 480p Dreamcast games. A PVM may not support 480p.

>>4760817

Ugh. I'm limited for space but I guess if that's my only option. Otherwise composite it is.

>>4760809

No VGA connection on my TV, I was happy to find a trinitron with component. Should I just get a Toro or something and get a VGA to Component adapter? Also my TV only goes up to 480i. Of all the games to not display in RGB at all it just had to be one of the few that's worth the hassle.

>>4760803
>this little Sony TV
>650 kr

That's equivalent to 72 US dollars! This television would not be over twenty dollars used in the USA. Most often not even over ten.

>>4760823
Do you not have a PC monitor, not even an LCD one with a VGA connection?

>>4760827

No sadly. I might have one in storage somewhere but I stopped playing PC games years ago and now I just have a work laptop.

Any advice for fixing the geometry on my trinitron? I know how to access the service menu, but when it comes to actually working the geometry adjustments, is there anyone who can offer some experience based on having done it before?

>>4760823
arcadia has a GC port. you could play it with that or a hacked wii.

Well, the PVM 1271Q has been adjusted with 240p test suite. I still have to adjust it with the pots in the back, but I think it actually looks pretty good right now anyway. I may also want to see if I can get the focus a little better.

This used to be my favorite monitor, but to be honest the small size is really working against it now. I'm not sitting as close as I used to with it. I used to have one sitting on my desk right next to my computer monitor, while this one is over in a corner and I sit about four feet away from it. It's no longer like being in front of a little arcade machine. I think if you're going to get of of these plan on putting in a place you can get right up in it.

>>4760858
let's see it. I bet it isn't that bad

>>4760805

You could probably do a combination of a toro and a retrotek rgb to component adapter.

>>4760825
>That's equivalent to 72 US dollars! This television would not be over twenty dollars used in the USA. Most often not even over ten.

Friend, you've not tried to look up specific models of tv and buy lately have you. Shit that used to sell for $10 10-15 years ago in the us is now $200+.

>>4760914
I don't have a camera handy

the top-left corner is kind of screwed up, and the image as a whole seems a little too zoomed in.

>>4760918
I go around to thrift stores, flea markets, and junk malls every week. I am very well versed in the average CRT price and I see sets like that go for $20 or less all of the time. That is an old but not antique set and is not sought after by any particular group.

>>4760919
What model is it?

Should I get this apple crt? Are they any good?

>>4760817
>A PVM may not support 480p.
With exception to the L5 multiformat models, and I think one random other 20 inch model, they won't. Those are also usually very pricey for their sizes precisely because they support outputs that most PVMs don't.

Anyone in the New York area interested in a Sony Trinitron KV-24FS120? Guy who was supposed to pick it up stopped responding, would hate to see a 24" WEGA with Component go to waste.

>>4760984
Free?

>>4760924
See not everyone has those around them

>>4760976
>and I think one random other 20 inch model
20M7MDE, and it does so line doubler style, so while it supports native 480p, you actually get a delay on 240p/480i sources.

>>4761016
If they live in the United States they do. Alaska excepted.

>>4761003
At this point, yeah as long as you're willing to pick it up. I've adjusted it, comes with remote, but has minor cap issues that result in occasional wavy lines on certain colors. Otherwise a really good set.

>>4761034
The lines would trigger my autism too much. :-(

Alright which should I get for PC?

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/wat/ele/d/dell-17-ultrascan-17tx/6570147649.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/wat/sys/d/nec-multisync-mcrt-monitor-2/6550749613.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/sys/d/apple-vintage-see-thru-monitor/6562539084.html

Leaning towards the memetron

How much should I pay for a Genesis s-video mod?

>>4761043
What do you plan on doing with it? In most scenarios I would say go with the Trinitron.

15" is too small for most usages.

If you have the patience you ought to wait for a 20 or 21" monitor to show up. Viewsonic made some good ones that are pretty common. Not Trinitrons, but still excellent displays with a great range of capability, including high refresh rates with high res modes.

>>4761052
Don't do that. Get an RGB to S-video adapter and send the RGB from your Genesis into it. This way you will have something that will work for many systems, including your PC.

http://www.jrok.com/hardware/RGB.html

You can mount this in a small plastic project box.

>>4761052
$0 dumbass.

>>4761057
Older games like half-life, fable, morrowind, etc. mostly. I kind of want to get the Apple because it's obscure though. It's not like the others have a lot of information out on them anyway

>>4761082
Get the Trinitron.

>>4760984
Where in New York? I'm in Suffolk

crt emudriver with an ati card
vga out to usma converter
scart cable to composite/s video converter
s video to an sd crt

would this work or do i need something like an extron?

>>4761202
what are you even trying to do

have been too busy to take new pics, here's something recent. VGA666 is coming in the mail soon, will post more later in the thread

>>4761034
what the hell? why would i want a shitty broken set

>>4761202
Like a modern ati card or one of the old school ones that has a fucking s-video out so just use that?

anyone from minneapolis looking to sell?

>>4761268
Anything up to Rx 200 series. Don't use the S-video out if it has one, they're almost always 480i only, use the VGA out plus a transcoder if needed to go to YPbPr.

>>4760782
Who are you quoting?

>>4761441
>doesn’t know how to use greentext
Get a load of this faggot.

>>4761237
>>4761237
run emulations off a pc to an sd crt

>>4761268
old school, 4870 i think

>>4760962
They're usually Sonys, and yes. That said, they can be tricky to do adjustments on if you don't have a period-correct Mac

>>4760805
>>4760817
>>4760976
>>4761021
so wait, pvms can do 240p and 480i but not 480p?

>>4761670
Generally yes. 480p was never really a standard resolution for video.

>>4761642
>run emulations off a pc to an sd crt

Then use an RGB to S-video converter. No need to mess around with all that other crap. The same one linked here:

>>4761062

comparison of SNES(Jr) v Genesis(Model 2) TMNT game on a Olympus OEV203.

On another note, does anyone know how good Ps1 games look on component ps3?

>>4760778
What's the switch hooked up to?

>>4761701
>it is NOT designed for medium resolution games or for VGA cards.

im goin vga out of the ati gpu, i think i need a usma, plus im an amerifat so no scart natively for me

>>4760805
DC did have an S-video option. It looks quite a bit better than composite.

>>4761257
>>>/v/

>>4760858
My advice would be to write down all settings so you can revert it back in case it gets worse after you adjust it. Pretty much Google the setting you want to adjust or look at crt adjustment pages and go from there. There's no hidden wisdom on them we mainly just piss around with settings til they look better. Sure techs had access to possibly better equipment and calibration screens, but just making it look good to your eyes is a good method. 240p test suite is also a must for test patterns. Look up how to use smpt color bars and grid tests and that gets most issues.

>>4761718
Other than the PS3’s emulation being bad, it looks like component video.

>>4760924
What your saying is correct if you chance upon them in the wild, but again if you want a specific model you're going to pay a lot whether on ebay or an electronics specialty place.

>>4761021
can i get your expertise to weigh in on this?>>4761202
>>4761642
>>4761701
>>4761725

>>4761726

No svideo input for me. I'm basically choosing between getting a new display, using some kind of converter and hoping it works, or waiting for HD retro vision cables and hoping they'll do what I need.

>s-video

asking again since I didn't get a reply last thread

do I have to discharge the tube before adjusting pots? Ikegami TM14-17R. I have never adjusted geo from inside a monitor so really any pointers you can think of would be swell

>>4761921
nah, i never discharge just to adjust the pots. just don't touch the anode cap and use an insulated screwdriver to turn the pots

So how'd I do? It's a BVM-14G5 and it has the optional BKM-21D included.

What are some reasonably priced S-video switchers/selectors without noticeable video quality loss?

>>4761854
>everything except the very best is shit

>>4761981

You don't need a brand name. Any middle of the line name like Philips is perfectly acceptable. Even the Chinese brands shouldn't necessarily cause degradation, they just do stupid shit like supporting monaural audio output only.

>>4760778
>compact + comfy
I moved into a new place and the only piece of furniture I had for my bedroom was this desk, so I guess this fits the theme.

>>4761950
It looks awesome. What's in that psone?

>>4761950
price? Pretty nifty
>>4762016
mmm i've really been in the mood for some turismo. I don't much liek the newer ones, too much shit going on. 2 and aspec were really my jam. Nice aesthetic

>>4762070
It cost me a whole £50 (about $70)

>>4762073
niceee

Where are the Samsung gxtv peeps? I know I'm not the only one!

>>4761642
>run emulations off a pc to an sd crt

At this point just buy an arcadevga graphics card.

>>4762130
what is that

>>4761981
The Sony SBV40S is what I use. Good quality that doesn't even need to be powered.

>>4761126
New York City.

>>4761262
it's not a shitty broken set, it's a quality tube with a minor capacitor issue that can be easily fixed. Thanks for the reply though!

Pic related, the set makes composite look excellent for the size.

>>4762073
How many hours on it?

I paid the same for my 5k hours 20G1E about a year ago buy it now on eBay with local collection

>>4762021
Ape Escape.

>>4762219
5k? Lucky. Mine's at 80k. Just glad it had apparently been recently refurbished.

I'm looking into getting an Extron System 7SC switcher. Does anyone know anything more past the descriptions online? I'm interested because on top of having the 6 RGBHV inputs, it has composite and S-Video on the front. In every description though, it says that it upscales the Composite/SVid and keeps the RGBHV passive.

1. How does it output the Composite/SVid, does it transcode it to the RGBHV output?

2. Is there a way to disable to upscaling?

3. I'll be using Component through the RGB inputs so I won't need the H and H/V inputs, can I just route L/R audio through them without issues?

Any help appreciated, otherwise just might get a Crosspoint.

>>4761950
So pretty.

>>4762175
Why are you getting rid of it? And where in the city?

>>4762245
>Lucky
Yeah I guess.

To be fair one of my others with 101k on the original tube looks exactly the same when they're both calibrated. Those things were certainly built to last.

Do any of you crt posers play anything else other than fucking Sonic and SMB3?

>>4762281
I got a 20" PVM, not enough room for both. Would honestly keep it if I had the space, but right now it's just taking up room. Got it for free, so I figure I'd extend the offer. Comes with remote, and I've adjusted the geometry and stuff in the service menu.

Staten Island.

>>4762296
Yes.

>>4762307
what model pvm?
also
>NYC
>Staten Island
pick on

>>4762312
FUCK! one*

>>4761950

I have the same bvm. It's a damn nice one. I bought mine "as is" and the seller basically said you turn it on and the "overload" light flashes and it goes off.

If you ever run into this, the monitor is 'probably' fine. You just have to turn the contrast and brightness down. I got it from an e-waste place. They didn't have the key to the lock. You can remove the bezel and disable the lock with no problems. After adjusting the brightness and contrast to good levels it worked perfectly.

You can also push the buttons and use the knobs on brightness and contrast to dial it down a bit, but it's best to do it on the actual board. Whoever had it previously just had it dialed up too much.

I ended up paying like $120 shipped for it, it was a gamble but it paid off.

>>4762312
I nabbed a 1944Q from the Bronx.

also damn you got me

>>4762296
>poseur

>>4762328
ya i saw that for sale too. looks pretty cute. Btw do yourself a favor and buy this
https://www.amazon.com/Exclusive-Wireless-Ultra-Sensor-PowerA-nintendo/dp/B00769TKWC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1525897475&sr=8-3&keywords=nintendo+wii+sensor+bar+wireless

it'll make your setup look that much nicer. Did you just recently get that 8040? I saw the guy selling 3 of them for 20 a pop, was considering picking them up for a quick flip. How much did you end up paying the guy for the 1944

>>4762142

https://www.ultimarc.com/avgainf.html

It's a card that outputs 15khz. Google will tell you more. Basically it will output to CRT and the proper refresh rate/resolution so it doesn't fry your monitor/crt.

>>4762345

Also, there was an earlier version that works great, might be able to find it cheaper used. The newest one is made for more modern pc games like street fighter 4 and such that require a higher tier graphics card. I have both and the earlier one works fine on any emulators and mame.

>>4762296
Suck it.

>>4762319
Thanks for the advice man, I'd have no idea what to do if something went wrong.

>>4762296

>>4762296

Sure, but sonic looks pretty with all the bright colors. It also helps that genesis outputs RGB without any modifications. I imagine people just getting a pvm might not have all their other consoles modded yet.

>>4762251
why dont you show what the waterfall looks like

>>4762353
Bless being in a PAL region, more of our consoles have native RGB output than NTSC. Good for pictures but the speed difference makes most games shitter.

>>4762361

It looks just as the devs intended trollanon. ;)

Mom has a Mitsubishi CS-20203 in her garage. Anyone have any opinions or knowledge about this thing?

>>4762342
No, I nabbed the 8040 just before the new year I believe. Went on ebay randomly and there was a bid for $6 with $15 shipping, got it for around $21 shipped. Has some burn in on the top and bottom from CBS Newspan but it's an 8-incher so who cares. Trying to get an 8 inch with YPbPr to mirror the 1944Q for cheap though.

Yeah, the guy is selling another 1944Q with artifacts and some 2030s. Asked him if he had one without artifacts and he was willing to sell it so i threw in another $25, so $300 total. Considering the going rates for 20" monitors not terrible.

>>4762391
Crt is a crt, as long as it works that looks like a good one to me

>>4762328
Super jealous but you shouldn't leave your discs on the floor like that

>>4762393
Looks kinda jank but a CRT is a CRT.

>>4762394
I hear ya, i'm on the fence about this triplet of 8040s. I had a fwe rgb/comp 8 inchers in the past but got rid of them. Now i just have my 5041q which is a cute little thing to have around. Got rid of my 20 inch BVM a few months ago.

Any other NYC anons around? I like discussing our local findings.

>>4762345
any reason i cant just use a USMA converter from vga to scart/svideo? the usma converter box will keep everything from frying right?

https://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/87668-A-guide-to-connecting-your-Windows-PC-to-an-SD-CRT-TV-PVM-or-Arcade-Monitor

Is there a 32inch PVM or am I retarded?

>>4762484
32" pvm no
32" bvm yes (but widescreen)
there's also pic related

>>4762487
God damn 45 whole inches? I'm curious to see the picture quality for retro games

>>4762487
Considering this cost $40k when new, I'm curious to see how much one would go for today.

>>4762487
>32" pvm no
ORLY?

>>4762524
didn't know

>>4762526
Hush then

>>4762516
$80k

>>4762530

>>4762487
>200 kg
thiccc

>>4760925
KV32-FS100

>>4761725
It will work just fine with a VGA card in coordination with CRT_emudriver. You don't need anything else.

>>4762727
how do i hook up a vga to those boards? is there some guide on how to wire it?

>>4762130
>arcadevga graphics card.
This isn't 2007. There are better alternatives.

>>4762484
Yes, but they are uncommon.

However, Mitsubishi Megaview 33" monitors are not as hard to find.

>>4762732
You take a RGBs cable and either hack it or adapt it to fit the RGBS connector on the board. The converter comes with a 6-pin lead for the RGBS connector. One method would be to put female BNC connectors on the end of that lead to connect your VGA>RGBs cable to it.

>>4762751
and for the ground?

>>4762751
OR

You build a project box and run the leads from the RGBS connector on the board to either a

1. 15-pin D-sub (VGA) connector
2. RGBS BNC connectors
3. Phono connectors

as you please. This will probably work a lot better than hacking cables.

>>4762759
You have to do that correctly when the time comes, you'll have to read up on how to get everything connected properly.

>>4762763
>>4762768
thanks for the help, im lookin at doin something like pic related and seeing what comes of with a jrok board with s video out.

I wanna use crt emudriver and groovymame on an old shitball tv but im afraid i will fry it, plan to use a 4000 series ati radeon card but the guide here says to use some resistor in place of edid to get the monitor recognized without frying it:

"For much older cards, well before the EDID emulation feature, you can force monitor detection on a Windows VGA port, if you need to. Plugging in your CRT will normally help older versions of Windows detect it - note that you don't need to turn it on, just plug it in. To force detection you place a 75R resistor between any colour(s) R/G/B and ground, called a signal termination for other reasons. Don't get that wrong or you'll hit the 5Volt line by mistake. Google is your friend. Note that this doesn't tell Windows the monitor is 15kHz only - you still have to do that with crt_emudriver, and carefully. "


quote from above is taken from the site linked here:
>>4762423

>>4762345
ArcadeVGA is unnecessary, you can use a regular Radeon card with CRT_Emudriver

https://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1009

>>4761768
Something along the lines of the jrok setup the other anon suggested would be a good direction to go.

Still haven't messed around much with emudriver, but the biggest "issue" with what you're trying to do is trying to get the RGB properly converted to s-video. If you can do that, everything else is just a matter of getting stuff properly configured.

>>4762097
Actually just fixed mine a month or two ago. Still need to try modding it.

>>4762249
I don't know how programmable it is, but I seriously doubt you'll be able to disable scaling.

CVid and SVid will have chroma decoded into RGB and then handled as such; Quality will still be the same as the source signal, just over RGB instead.

It will almost without a dobut will not allow you to pass audio over the sync lines. Extron's Switches(even the ones that don't scale) do poke and prod at the sync signals, and don't act as passthroughs.

i have a crappy little 13' panasonic crt with RF and composite
what are the chances that the jungle IC in it can take anything higher, like s-video?

>>4762941
do you know anything about the placing of resistors in line to an sd tv to keep it from frying?

>>4762807

Are PC CRT monitors darker by nature than televisions? I'm looking at the same game on both of them and the tv is way brighter. Both are set to correct levels.

>>4761720
it's hooked up via an hdmi converter to composite, which i sometimes unhook for the laptop.
the converter is connected to the vcr, passing through to an input switcher. behind the switch is a raspberry pi 3 outputting in composite.

The HDMI converter and the pi run at 480i, although there's a new update for the pi that allows for 240p output that i haven't done yet. also the tv only takes composite and mono audio, but i have a headphone splitter & a mono converter to manage that.

>>4760782
>tfw i broke my nes when i was 5
i miss it

I have 2 questions, and I'm hoping someone can help.

1. What is the most foolproof and possibly easy way to hook a PC to a PVM? It's not a multisync.

2. What is the most foolproof way to hook an RGB capable console up to an Arcade monitor?

>>4763068
1. looks to be jrok or usma transcoder, but it will take a lot of work:

https://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/87668-A-guide-to-connecting-your-Windows-PC-to-an-SD-CRT-TV-PVM-or-Arcade-Monitor

2. no fuckin idea

>>4763068
>>4763081
No JROK or any other converter is needed to connect a PC to a PVM via RGB.

Just buy a RGBS cable or a RGBHV cable and a T-connector to combine sync together.

>but it will take a lot of work:

All you do is install and configure CRT_Emudriver or other 15khz software solution (advancemame and advancemess are slept on) and go.

>>4762976
Overall, PC monitors have a lower "nit" rating than televisions since they are designed to be used up close for long periods of time.

>>4763095
oops i fucked up, my mind is so focused on getting this sdtv to work that i forgot pvms were the superior option

>>4762976
>>4763103
Higher brightness also leads to the CRT becoming blurrier. Not exactly something you want when reading small text on a computer.

>>4762976
supposedly anti-glare coatings block a lot of light and people remove them because of that

One thing I want to say about all this business of converter RGB to S-video and such.

The Wii, Gamecube, PlayStation, Saturn, and Dreamcast all support s-video output and have a myriad of options for playing emulators and also have their own official compilation releases of classic games available for them.

Right now I am playing Ghosts n' Goblins via the Capcom Generations Volume 2 release because the PlayStation has excellent composite video output, the system supports some cheap arcade sticks I have bought off of ebay, and there is of course zero input lag (other than what may be part of the game's programming).

If you dig into Japanese releases you can find some great arcade ports like Raiden Project or Dodonpachi for PlayStation. Sometimes it's easier to just work with it this way than fooling around with configuring modelines and emulator options.

>>4762967
Assuming you're using one of these
http://www.jrok.com/hardware/RGB.html
The TV would be protected. That bit is likely in reference to a SCART equipped set that could take RGB directly.
I'm guessing the resistor on one of the RGB lines would be to to make it seem as though there is a small load on the line to let Windows know something is there.

>>4763134
You're not wrong, but a single PC makes for a much nicer all in one solution. That said, if the Wii was a bit more capable of decent arcade emulation, I wouldn't have much interest in emudriver.
One other issue with the various console ports/emulation/etc is especially the PS2 stuff, a lot of them will not do 240p and even if you do some hex editing to get it working, with often be left with a decent amount of filtering, blurring everything.

>>4763167
thanks bro, have you ever added rgb/scart to a tv that was rf only?

>>4763175
RF only? No, but I've got plans to do so to a composite only set.

>>4762941

>>4763181
where are the good guides on how to do it? i only see old shit filled with half answers and weird youtube videos

The "easiest" method of getting NATIVE RGB 240p video is right here!

NO SCALERS

NO SHADERS

EVEN ON AN LCD OR PLASMA

Screen too small? Just get a bigger TV bro

>>4763212
>The "easiest" method of getting NATIVE RGB 240p video is right here!
ftfy

>>4761062
I don't see where you plug the scart cable on this thing. Am I missing something?

>>4763232
this one takes a scart cable:
http://arcadeforge.net/UMSA:::15.html

>>4763189
Biggest resource I can directly point to is the shmups thread; https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=56155
There's just a whole lot of variety out there in terms of what you actually need to do to get it to work properly.

And a few select mods for specific sets:
https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/wiki/rgb-modifiable

That said, if you're asking a lot the earlier questions in this comment chain, you might need to work up some more knowledge/skills before even considering trying on of these.

>>4763241
>>4763232
You'd only want that if you weren't going the PC route.

>>4763272
i have been asking a lot of them lol, but i do have a nice clean 25 inch sanyo with rf input only that i would like to get some use out of some day.

pic related is the tv in question

>>4763279
it has vga in and scart out, doesnt that mean pc?

>>4763291
My mistake, I read that as a SCART to VGA adapter, rather than the other way around.

who here is guilty of leaving a CRT on in demo/attract mode when not even playing a game?

are there switches that dont feel like a piece of chink shit?

>>4763337
Extron

>>4763337
Pelican bay switcher. This model does composite, svideo, and component.

Hello /crt/, reposting my shit form the last thread
Pick a decent looking Sony Multiscan G420 like two weeks ago and everything was fine until last evening when I saw pic related on screen - some sort of fading light stripes from bright UI elements. For some reason there's no such tings in games.
Is there any way to fix this?

>>4761052
Does that ultra-comfy console tv actually have S-Video? I'd kill for a setup like that. A console tv with RGB is the dream setup, but S-video is plenty good enough for me.

>>4760962
They are pretty much useless for /vr/.

>>4763524
*sigh*

No, they aren't. Just because they won't do muh 15 killerhurtz doesn't make them useless for /vr/ games.

>>4763486
Does it do it on both BNC and VGA input?

What happens if you turn down contrast?

Look in your menus and see if there is a control that says anything about voltage levels, 75 vs 2k ohms, or looped video and toggle it and see what happens.

Make sure your picture is set to "professional" on that monitor. Also try sRGB. Or go into color settings and put everything in the middle.

That image looks like the effect when a monitor is set to looped video input but is not looped.

Can you send any pro monitors an RGB signal and then have it output a different video signal to another monitor? I never tried this when I had the opportunity but it might work.

If it does then there's a RGB to S-video "converter" for you.

>>4763581
>Does it do it on both BNC and VGA input?
It got no BNC connectors. Only dual d-sub.
>What happens if you turn down contrast?
Not much really, stripes are pretty much the same "intensity" (if this is correct word). On the other hand, if i crank brightness level down stripes are becoming slightly less intense.
>Look in your menus and see if there is a control that says anything about voltage levels, 75 vs 2k ohms
Is there anything I should/could tinker with?
>Make sure your picture is set to "professional" on that monitor. Also try sRGB.
>Or go into color settings and put everything in the middle.
Done and done. Also, in sRGB picture got a quite distinct red tint (doesn't really matter if it's a cold start or warmed up display).

Also, could this kind of effect be a power supply related, like dried caps inside power board (or whatever sony called it)?

>>4763638
>Done and done. Also, in sRGB picture got a quite distinct red tint (doesn't really matter if it's a cold start or warmed up display).
Completely forgot to mention. Even with professional preset and SRGB enabled stripes are are pretty much on the same place.

>>4763638
>could this kind of effect be a power supply related, like dried caps inside power board
Yes, it could be.

Also, try it with a different computer/gpu. Try plugging it into a different wall socket.

Anyone have some recommendations on some repair folks suitable for fixing a late 2000s model sony trinitron WEGA? Price is really no object but finding reputable repair folk is difficult.

>>4763590
The outputs on video monitors are just passthrough of the input, no conversion at all.

>>4763220
Also consider

>>4763241
>>4763279
I'm trying to convert scart to s-video for my big crt. Is that an s-video port on the back of this thing? I can't make it out

>>4763870
I don't know about that. Some of these things are complicated pieces of equipment with a wide range of capabilities. Wouldn't surprise me if one of them, not necessarily a PVM, would have that feature.

>>4763909
No anon, it's the power supply input.

>>4763981
I can't think of a single one.

That kind of thing was always taken care of by an external converter.

Is it okay to shill your own eBay listings here?

I'm unfortunately having to let go of my Sony Trinitron Multiscan E215 monitor due to lack of desk space. The listing will go up 10pm BST tonight, just checking I'm okay to post it here when it does go up. I'd prefer one of you faggots get it since I love lurking this general so much.

>>4763909
this will do scart to s video, no idea how well it works

>>4764068
It doesn't work full stop unless the input SCART is actually carrying an S-Video signal to begin with.

No format conversion is involved.

>>4764071
if this is true then maybe just go with a jrok?
>>4763909

fuck this guy https://huntsville.craigslist.org/wan/d/small-crt-monitors-and-tvs/6579102836.html

>>4760778
What model of Sony CRT is that? I'd like to get a PVM, but the hipster tax is preventing me from doing so.

>>4764085
Not him but KV-1370R

>>4764090
Thanks. I just googled it and found a post. No s-video input. Ouch.

>>4764095
It's a bread-and-butter portable from the late-80s.

What were you expecting?

>>4764106
You're right. I just thought it was the standard in the late 80's on more expensive consumer models. I'm only 30, so I don't exactly remember the time period vividly.

>>4764120
svideo became popular on mid range sets in the mid '90s (higher end sets had it earlier).

>>4764071
>>4764080
>>4763909
this looks like it will work out of the box

http://www.ani-av.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=226

>>4764120
>>4764139
I've got a 1990 XBR with S-video. Haven't seen anything earlier though I remember reading Japanese sets had s video in the 80s.

>>4764309
Commodore 1702 has S-video but it is split into Luma and Chroma inputs. Some other monitors had this.

For some reason S-video is labeled Y/C on some sets.

>>4764314
S-Video is a JVC trademark for Y/C video carried over a 4 pin DIN connector.

Y/C video carried over two separate Phono or BNC connectors predates it by some time.

>mfw got my crt tv for like 5 dollars
>mfw she had no idea what she had and its in perfect order with the remote and everything
>mfw its like 100-150 dollars on ebay for one just like it

>>4764361
what model?

>>4764374
Here she is. Gonna play castlevania 1 l8r. Also excuse the mess i'm packing up rn

>>4764374
what game is this?

>>4763181
when you do your project can you make a super detailed tutorial/video series on it for us plebfags to study?

>>4763337
Previously, anons would recommend the Sony SBV40. I have been using an RCA switch for my Trinitron and svid signals that hasn't given me any problems.

I'm using an Extron switcher for my pvm and boy is that a space (and time) hog.

Does anyone have any videos of someone working on convergence issues on a pvm? I've heard that the yoke adjustments are different on a pvm.

>>4764401

Game is Maximum Carnage

>>4764432
There are several videos on Youtube, specifically with arcade monitors, but honestly they aren't all that different from PVMs. I used one to adjust my 1944Q's convergence and well, convergence rings are convergence rings. As far as yolk adjustment goes, I'm not too sure.

>>4764143
Awesome, now I know what to save up for. Do you think getting this and scart cables will be an improvement over composite if I'm going to be converting to s-video? I'm using this for my Genesis. Is it worth it?

>>4764449
over composite? of course it will be an improvement over composite lol

>>4764449
I'm not super informed on these things but I'm fairly certain the genesis has issues with s video

>>4764143
It wasn't designed for games. It might lag. I'd research it first and then test it when I got it. If it lagged over 1 frame I'd return it.

>>4764401
what
>>4764437 said. I have both SNES and Genesis games.

>>4764382
nice pick up. I think Ebay has been selling most consumer crt at 100+. The 13" consumer Trinitron I've own values at 115+ when I brought it for $10

kv29c5e acquired. fuck this thing is bigger than i expected. barely have any room for it but smaller tvs are fuckhard to find.

it also makes a loud beeping noise. gives me flashbacks to the time i had tinnitus for two months. is the beeping normal in trinitrons? dont remember my childhood crt beeping so loudly.

it came with one of those stands on wheels as well, but it was missing screws to attach it to the tv, anyone know where to find some that fit?

>>4764562
here's a closeup i guess

>>4764401
I mean, anything I do is mostly going to be based on info that is already out there, but I do plan on documenting what I do so anyone else with that set (or similar) can use it for reference.

>>4764562
the continuous eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee is normal with SD CRTs.

>>4764064
I didn't get an answer so I guess it's okay.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232764054544

>>4764697
yeah, but this is ridiculous. guess i'm gonna have to get a pair of closed-back headphones. or get rid of the tv. don't really have anywhere to put it anyway

>>4764696
are you an electrical engineer by chance?

>>4764795
No, I just play one on the internet.

Is a field I've considered getting into before though.

>>4763081
>>4763095

Thanks guys. That sounds pretty easy indeed. I have an old pc that I wanted to emulate handheld consoles on, various gameboys, neo geo pocket, and sega game gear and play on the pvm. I'll look into it more, I just had no idea what to search for.

>>4764806
im goin back to school for it this summer, im thinkin about contacting some local electricians with ee backgrounds and asking them to help. I'll pay them of course

>spent a lot of the last few decades search for and experimenting with 15khz CRTs
>spent the last year trying out various shaders through retroarch
at the same time
>started carrying a small laptop with me most places
>played many games on the laptop
>laptop GPU too weak for shaders, so stick to exact scaling

And recently, I have started to forgo shaders on my PC CRT monitor, and just play with it scaled 5x times. And it's very convenient. The image is brighter since no fake black lines are added in. I don't mind the blocky look so much. At 5x it's only a little blockier than a 800 TV line PVM anyway. Maybe I'm just getting lazy as I get older?

The first TV I ever bought for myself with my first Christmas tips from my paper route. Was serving basically as my son's night light

1991-2018 RIP

>>4760778
can front projections be used to play old games?

>>4764897
that's a specific failure mode
I'd fix it if it happened to my old tv

>>4764897
Replace that bad capacitor.

>>4764901
Yes, but you're lucky if those older units even have a composite input. The more modern CRT projectors are better off being used for movies and TV, but I suppose I can't tell you what to do with your own shit. Mine automatically doubles scanlines out of existence.

Can someone give me a quick rundown on why CRTs are better again?

>>4765001
this one has composite and mono in, but also audio out and external speaker mounts. ill see how it goes

>>4764897
surely a capacitor that has blown

>>4765027
Is that a two-tube model?

>>4765003

They're not 'better,' they're more suited to how retro video game consoles were designed to output video. Trying to run retro hardware on modern displays can present a host of issues. So keeping a CRT around just for your retro games isn't a bad idea.

>>4764562
Is it 100Hz?

>>4765003

>>4764901
Yes they can. And in optimum conditions the image will be very nice. And big.
>>4765001
If it's a CRT it can be RGB modded. Older might be better in this case. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if you opened up the case and found the solder points for a SCART connector on the chassis.

>>4765027
Composite isn't the end of the world either. These things have high quality components and if you feed it a clean composite signal the results will good. Use a Wii, PlayStation, or Gamecube.

>>4763167
>Assuming you're using one of these
>http://www.jrok.com/hardware/RGB.html
>The TV would be protected. That bit is likely in reference to a SCART equipped set that could take RGB directly.

I read you loud and clear but then I came across this:

http://scarthunter.blogspot.com/2015/01/RGBmodification.html

He is using a UMSA (not a jrok, i know) but he is also taking the time to plug resistors along the rgb wires after the transcoder. Any idea as to why?

>>4765102
>If it's a CRT it can be RGB modded.

I take it you haven't looked in the case yet.

>>4765123
It controls the screen voltage levels. It will make the image darker or brighter depending on what kind of signal you send. If he didn't have these he'd get a very dim and dull image. (or it would be totally blown out, can't remember which way it goes with this kind of mod)

>>4765136
The nature of CRT technology says any color TV can be RGB modded. If it takes composite input then it decodes that into RGB at some stage before sending it to the projection CRTs.

>>4765060
no idea.
i've googled a bit and figured out the noise might be coming from vibrating parts such as a power supply transformer or the deflection yoke? and that it can be fixed by securing the moving parts with glue or by spraying on some clearcoat? how likely am i a to kill myself by attempting this? and what does the deflection yolk look like in a trinitron tube?

>>4765123
>Any idea as to why?
Because he is RGB modding a TV for RGB input. A TV which actually had RGB input built in would have those resistors by design as it's the sort of load that [source you're feeding the TV] would expect. Without them, the picture will be blown out to hell and back, low contrast, and will just look like hot garbage all around.

The jrok should have the equivalent termination built into that little encoder chip, from which it generates composite and s-video(and component, for that model) all of which will be outputting to the proper spec for a TV with that sort of input.

>>4765156
have you ever modded one? i have one i wanna do but im scared

>>4765175
thx bro, u da man

>>4765156
If that's a two-tube projector, it has some wacky color circuit. Those units are going to look like ass anyway even if you do mod in an RGB input.

>>4765185
No, I haven't.
>>4765191
I'm trying to find sources about that but I'm coming up short. I'm not sure how two tubes would combine to make a color picture. Perhaps some kind of luma and chroma split like s-video.

>>4765273
>I'm not sure how two tubes would combine to make a color picture. Perhaps some kind of luma and chroma split like s-video.
Or, just thought of this, it could just be two tubes each putting out a color image. Two would be used in order to increase the ANSI lumens of the projector. In this case the set would just be a fancier version of the old fresnel lens CRT projector, and that would be easily RGB moddable.

I've actually wanted to make my own Fresnel lens based projector for a while now. I have all the things to do it. You can take the lens out of an old overhead projector.

>>4765285
*easy being a relative term. No RGB mod is for beginners.

I'm noticing a lot of color bleeding with red. Is there any way I could fix that without opening up my sony trinitron kv-13m53? Maybe with the service menu?

>>4765290
In order of things to do
1. Change user menu settings to custom/movie/cinema/pro/naturlwhatever is the most neutral looking choice.
2. Adjust color individually if user menu supports it.
3. Use best video input such as s-video or component
4. Use best video source
5. go in the service menu and check to see if red is set to be pushed relative to other colors. Many CRT televisions do this.

Write everything down before you change anything.
>Write everything down before you change anything.
Write everything down before you change anything.
>Write everything down before you change anything.
Write everything down before you change anything.
>Write everything down before you change anything.

>>4765285
It's a green and a magenta tube, the magenta is supposed to fill the role of both red and blue primaries. As you might imagine, color reproduction for this system is pretty crap. There isn't really much purpose in trying to ham RGB into your set, the tubes in them were never well focused, and the color reproduction has inherent flaws. Just maintain it, and enjoy it for what it is. If you want a real RGB input projector, scour craigslist and the like for one that's still working. Might take a long time, but people usually get rid of them for cheap/free due to the size and weight. Almost all of them will be more capable than the set you have.

>>4765357
It's not mine I'm the one responding to the owner.

How does it function as both red and blue? Flash between colors per field/frame?

And yes, this is all theoretical discussion. I'd never mod a front projection TV like that. They're too rare and a work of art in themselves. It would be like ruining a rare classic car with aftermarket modifications.

>>4765357
My bad, it looks like many of the Sony FPTVs use a mirror to combine the red and blue tubes through one lens. Balancing those will still be an adventure

>>4764897

Gramps, you should try to fix it and document it for the hell of it. Would make some good content.

>>4765448
this

>>4764897
tfw this poster will probably ignore the replies and say it's just easier to throw away a relic from his past

comfy

>>4764449
What are you converting to S-Video exactly? Do you mean you're getting the RGB from the SCART signal and converting to S-Video? If so good luck finding a quality adapter, they're probably gonna be pricey as that's not a very common transcoding. I suppose there will be a quality jump if you do find a good converter.

>>4764515
The Genesis doesn't have any issues with it, it just doesn't output it is the problem. They can be modded, but it sounds like he's trying to transcode it.

>>4764449
Big leap over composite. Especially from a Genesis.

>>4765027
Is that your room, anon? Woodgrain makes my dick hard.

Does the "ST" in some PVM model names stand for "self-terminating"?

>>4765827
Any of the PVMs that might have an ST added on would have auto-termination on their standard models.

There's nothing to confirm that this is correct, but a bit of talk in the discord a while back seemed to come to the conclusion that they were possibly meant for lab (Scientific?) usage using medical variants (and these are my own guesses) that either weren't built up to the proper spec for actual hospital use, or failed certification for such environments.

Can't say for sure, but I would say almost all information applying to the MD model of a given model number would apply perfectly to the ST version; In example, the 1953MD and 1953ST.

So does Wii RGB only work with 576i mode (even though you have a PAL Wii and can put it on 480i?) If so does that mean S-video will work with both a PAL and NTSC Wii as long as you put it on 480i?

>>4764897
Such is the fate of all who fall for the CRT meme.

My Dreamcast VGA box also has a minijack output besides RCA audio, is minijack better?

>>4765720
Yes, that's exactly what I mean. I don't have RGB input on my big tube CRT but I do have s-video. Thanks for all the information in this thread, everyone. It seems like this is all pretty costly but worth saving up for.

>>4766031
It has nothing to do with output resolution

>>4766217
I thought that too, but for some reason I only get RGB on the Wii if I choose 576i, if I choose 480i it's composite

>>4765050
Its three tube, a mid-80s model my father bought back in the day. i believe he payed about $4000 in 80s money for it

>>4765770
its the basement, a collection of things my father owned from his apartment in the 80s that survived to modern times.

Guy with the bleeding color with my Trinitron again. This is what it looks like. I tried messing around with some of the service menu settings and nothing has changed.

>>4765027
this might be the new king of comfy

>>4766257
Sorry this is the pic.

>>4766209
>Thanks for all the information in this thread, everyone. It seems like this is all pretty costly but worth saving up for.
Reminder the Wii is an excellent emulation machine, supports s-video output, and is cheap.

>>4766314
im a noob when it comes to wii emuation can I use a 3rd party usb controller or a retro>usb converter for my old controllers? using a wiiremote sounds hard as fuck for old games

>>4766261
Is it connected with composite? It looks like general composite blur. If not, your only option is to open that bitch up and try not to electrocute yourself.

>>4766261
Looks normal for composite video.

>>4766319
Yes, there are a variety of options for 3rd party controllers and adapters for the Wii. And there are the classic controllers.

>>4766319
Raphnet-tech has a great series of controller adapters for Wii/GameCube. I have the snes to gamecube one and I use it for all the games I play on it. Wired controller means slightly less latency than a classic controller plugged into the remote too so I consider that worth it

>>4761584
You a damn rart

>VGA666

does anyone have a config.txt with the correct hdmi_timings for all the Retroarch cores? I'm used to setting up custom modelines via Retroarch's per-core configurations, but I guess I can't do that with retropie.. Kind of lost desu. Any help would be appreciated

>>4764852

Nothing wrong with not using shaders. If I'm on lower powered hardware I usually just use scanlines in the emulator's settings. I don't do 100% black, but 25% or 50% depending on the game and my mood.

>>4766243
Your dad had some good taste anon.

>>4766795
he did, i miss him. even though he was never into video games he still indulged in my hobby with me

>composite

>>4766897
Very nice. A good example of how composite video has plenty of space for 240p. It's more about the screen type.

So the idea is to find as high-resolution CRT as possible with intact "geometry" and have the console outputting RGB if it can, otherwise component, otherwise svideo?

Where do I find the good CRTs? Is it really that needed for old RCA-connected consoles?

>>4767340
The idea is to buy overpriced PVMemes and realise that retro games were made with weak video signals like composite in mind.
Then you proceed to shitpost on every CRT thread and brag about your 9" $200 professional box and how retro games were supposed to be played with sharp pixels on professional equipement made for monitoring.

>Finally get an Extron
>The goal is for SCART -> Extron -> SCART converter
>Take apart the SCART cable and put adapters on them while reading pin-outs carefully
>Wire it to the Extron
>Sound only
I'm pretty sure this is possible, but I don't know what I'm doing wrong

>>4767402
If shit signals were intended they wouldn't waste the money to make RGB native on 95% of the consoles.

>>4767437
>Take apart the SCART cable and put adapters on them while reading pin-outs carefully


why? why not just plug them in as they are and let the converter do its job?

>>4767470
Converter only has 1 input and I have 3 consoles with SCART.
So I was hoping to put them though the Extron and then go though the converter afterwards. Mainly because SCART switches are shit

>>4767479
ARE there no good shinybow or extron scart switches?

>>4767512
That are within a reasonable price

>>4767518
http://retrorgb.com/scartswitches.html

>>4767518
there is a bandridge on ebay right now in the usa too

>>4767586
After thinking, I might just simplify all my connections and just get HD Retrovision cables instead of going SCART.
It's not like my Trinitron supports RGB anyways. I was just trying to be cheap.

>>4767402
no the idea is to buy "rare" games like earthbound and then play them on a retron 5 with your wife's son

>Finally find a top tier dream CRT
>It's got unfixable geometry issues
>Replaced all caps, ordered convergence strips, nothing works
>Can even enjoy it because every time it's turned on you're eyes are glued to the imperfections and they're always in the back of your head

I fucking hate what this hobbies done to me. I've spent literal -days- messing with this thing and I've probably only used it for games for all of an hour

>>4767619
what model and can we get a pic?
then again if you actually replaced the caps yourself we can probably trust you know what you're doing

>>4767619
>>4767627
https://www.reddit.com/r/gamecollecting/comments/1xj4bd/i_hear_you_guys_like_trinitrons_i_just_calibrated/

inb4 reddit

>>4767627
It's a Nanao MS9-29A. Using it for a name cabinet I've been building. It's got a ton of horizontal linearity issues that I can't seem to fix. Everything in the center is ever so slightly squished, and the left side is a bit too stretched. The right side seems closest to accurate

It's not too bad but you can see scrolling backgrounds warp and it's just fuck

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but would it be possible to hook up a gscart switch into an Extron switch in order to create more inputs? My Extron has 8 inputs but I'll have them all filled soon so I was thinking I could have some consoles on a gscart which would all correspond to just one input on the Extron. If not I guess I'll just have to get off my lazy ass and manually switch SCART cables occasionally.

>>4767828
You can.

>>4767828
How are you going from gscart to Extron?

>>4767992
Sweet. I'll have to give it a try.

>>4768012
SCART to BNC cable

>>4767646
This can be fixed. You want to talk to Ken Layton on the arcade controls forum.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/board,4.0.html

He knows more than just about anyone in the world on this subject. It may take some time for him to get back to you.

>>4767586
Just bought two of them, each for literally 7 PLN ($1.95 USD) are these any good? I don't really have any RGB sources to try it woth yet, as I'm still waiting for my cables retrogamingcables to be delivered. Nor do I know if my CRT actually can receive RGB, I mean, I just took it from my dad's basement, it's just a plain 14" JVC. I don't even know the model number. Although I am going to upgrade, whenever I finally move out from my parents.

>>4767586
>SVB7725
Weren't those the ones with the power bleed issue in port 5?

I'm going to the Netherlands this fall, so I'll just buy a new one while I'm there.

>>4768569
So I'm alright if I just don't use port 5?

Have you degauzed your casual racism tent today?

>>4768787
>casual racism
>not hardcore racism

>>4768780
>So I'm alright if I just don't use port 5?
As long as you don't use all 5 input ports simultaneously. Alternatively, you can open up the switch and cut the power trace in pic related to resolve the issue.

My understanding is that later revisions of the Bandridge switch such as the SVB7735 automatic switch didn't have the same manufacturing defect, but I could be wrong.

GUYS I MODDEDED MY GENESIS AND NOW EVERY GAME IS FILLED WITH CHECKERBOARDS PLEASE HELP I DON'T LIKE CHECKERS

>>4768859
Oh, I actually have 7735, I believe the one here >>4767586 is a 7735 too, not 7725.

who here watching eurovision on their crt?

>>4768975

eurovision sucks,SHIT TIER

nobody is watching it

anyone know if Daewoo crts are any good? was thinking of getting pic related.

>>4769107
They're pretty standard low-end consumer stuff; my family had one in the kitchen for a decade or more. It was mostly used for the news and Seinfeld before the news.

>>4769185
ok, I'll probably invest in something a bit nicer then. The built in s-video caught my eye, no idea on the picture quality of the brand.

I have a Sony 20L5 PVM and I'm wondering how good this looks, and if I can do much better than this. Trying to get the most out of it. Will post more pics.

>>4769298

>>4769319

>>4769319
That bar at the bottom was intended to be a smooth gradient. Switch to composite video :-)

>>4769325
20L5 doesn't take composite.

>>4769284
They're not bad by any means, if it's all you can find, a consumer set with S-vid is always nice. Really depends on what's available to you and what kind of space you have and consoles you plan to use.

>>4767619
Such is the fate of those who fall for the PVM/RGB meme.

>>4760778
Can anyone identify this trinitron?
What kind of inputs does it have?

Do you guys have an archive of the best pics posted in these threads?

>>4769373

IDK the model or anything, but get this while you can. These older tvs are getting very hard to find, I don't mean CRT in general, but pre 90s non component is what I mean.

>>4769454

I don't think I've ever noticed what a cute little fucker Yoshi is.

>>4769298
so you bought it from that ebay listing in Santa Ana?
looks good

>>4769469
No, you must be thinking of a different person, I bought this one in person. But thanks, it's only s-video but I'm wondering if RGB is a big leap.

>>4769486
On a PVM? Yeah it's gonna look way better

>>4769486
I was asking that because somebody just offloaded dozens of them, and that's why that model keeps popping up lately

as for s-video, IDK. That's all I'm using now on my lil 14" but I do have an RGB cable ordered. Mostly just so I can keep my N64 and SNES plugged in at the same time. I don't expect it to make any difference in video quality.

>>4761950
The same model as mine, words can't describe how good games look, not even on camera.

anyone have knowledge of Hantarex monitors? Somebody is selling a whole video wall of monitors, but I was wondering if it was worth trying to get just one, because it seems to accept rgbSCART. This is in the US, by the way, as it seems Hantarex is a UK business

>>4769469
>so you bought it from that ebay listing in Santa Ana?
Not him, but I bought the remaining 14L5 from that seller that had its input card slot filled and didn't have a crater in the screen. It was a bit more than I'd have liked, but I can't complain about a sub-$300 L5 considering it's going cross-country for me.

Also, are the screws in the exterior case used for yoke mounting standard, or are they a specialty type? Pretty sure that mine was missing a few, and wanted to get some replacements to make it look a bit more visually appealing.

>>4769507 Ah, okay. How do you like the 14 inch? Maybe you can do some comparison pics or something when you get it.

Getting some ghosting like this on the 20L5, anyone know if it could be the cables I'm using or could it be an internal problem?

holy shit I own 12 crts and I never knew threads like this existed on 4chan. sign me the fuck up

>>4769804
>holy shit I own 12 crts and I never knew threads like this existed on 4chan
What models?

>>4769808
I don't know models on most of them but I do have a sony trinitron which is my baby. I'm a TO in the smash melee community so they're a bunch of side-o-the-road TVs.

>>4769814
do you have shrek or sponge bob tvs, they are pretty much mandatory in smash universe

Don't you hate it when dithering and transparency work as intended?

>>4769962
I'll take sharpness over blur, interference and a few shitty effects bub.

>>4769973
Enjoy your sharp checkerboards ;)

>>4770013
I will ;^)

>>4769962
>Don't you hate it when dithering and transparency work as intended?

Sorry newfriend, I play via RGB SCART on a BVM and PVM as the devs intended. Where does this "yellow plug" composite stuff even come from? No one used that back in the day, it was some obscure format unlike RGB and PVMs. Stop trying to be edgy and one up everyone else with your obscure video formats.

Anyone prefer consumer grade cancer ray tubes because they have more bloom?

>>4770292
bloom is when the slot mask heats up and distorts and fucks up all the colours. nobody wants that.

>>4770295
I route signals through an old VCR to get more distortion :-)

>>4769962
I play arcade games, not console pleb trash. Arcades were always RGB.

>>4769890
unfortunately not, though I do have this weird space-blue one with an analog clock built into the face. It's on loan right now so no pics unfortunately :(

>>4761584
man get fuckin exposed

Are LEDs the future?

>>4770794
for retro gaming? fuck no

>>4770794
yes

>>4770802

We don't need CRTs, we just need some sort of display that will accept analog signals, won't upscale the fuck out of the resolution and uses something other than fixed pixels. And preferably has no input lag

I don't know if there's anything like that on the horizon though

honestly let's just go back to vector graphics imaging

>>4760778
that's a beautiful set up

>>4771032
Lasers

>>4771071
Right onto your eye?

are the sony fs120 series any good? someone is selling one for dirt cheap in my area

>>4771176
Assuming their geometry looks decent, yeah; They're pretty good sets.

>>4766243
Awesome vintage setup, anon. What type of connections does it have? I'm assuming it has RF and Composite only.

Your Dad would be super proud that you kept it in such great shape. I still remember my Mom getting a 40 inch Mitsubishi rear projection in 92. It was an amazing thing to experience when I was a little boy.

>>4769962
fuck off composhit drone, stop shitting up CRT threads with your objectively inferior video signal.

>>4769667
some ghosting is common with many old CRTs, particularly bright white objects moving over black backgrounds. I have it on all my CRTs, though it's not so bad I really care about it. Can't rule out that cables, switch boxes etc. could be to blame too, though.

>>4771246
get a load of this lad who doesn't play as the developers objectively intended

>>4771246
Stop acting like a tool.

I've been using superwide resolutions on my consumer CRT... Is there an upscaler that I can use which would allow for simultaneous output to my 31kHz monitor? I'm using dynamic mode switching, so I'm looking for something that would handle resolution changes gracefully. Any recommendations?

just got this bad boy

>>4771538
XBR800? Really hope you're not planning on playing older stuff on that.

>>4771601
i think xbox, ps2 and shit will look great

did i mess up?

>>4771625
So long as you're pushing 480p from those, yeah you'll be fine.

Xbox will be suited very well to it, PS2 is gonna be quite hit or miss though. GC/Wii would also be quite nice, especially the latter.

Would be pretty neat with a PS3 or X360 as well.

Just good to know what you're dealing with, since it will NOT play terribly well with 240p sources. 480p and 1080i would be nice though.

>>4771629
>PS2 is gonna be quite hit or miss though


w-why?

>>4771246
is 2002 old? its not as old as some of the 80s and 90s models some anons have here, but the ghosting and the geometry was really fucked up when i check it. or at least to me, the untrained eye. makes me think it was put through some heavy abuse or is somehow damaged. i reset it to the service manual’s original settings and the monitor was so fucked up and offset and warped.

>>4771636
Low overall percentage of games that support 480p natively, mixed with really shoddy results in forcing 480p with GSM.

It'll still play everything fine, just that the games which don't support 480p(and as such are 480i only) will require more processing, and roughly 1 additional frame of lag. 480p (and presumably 1080i, haven't tested it specifically) see ~2 frames of delay, and 480i/240p sees 3.

Xbox supports 480p on nearly everything, GC supports it on a lot of the popular stuff, and forcing it on the stuff that doesn't works rather well. Wii is the same as GC, except even higher 480p support (with only stuff like Muramasa and Madworld not supporting it).

>>4771645
>>4771645
is there a reason why this tv cant do 480i right???

>>4771636
>w-why?
probably referencing the fact that many ps2 games are 480i, which on this hdcrt will be upscaled. But, in my opinion if the game doesn't require perfect lagless-ness then that upscaling is not necessarily bad, due to the nature of 480i

>>4771647
It is an HDCRT TV.

As such, it's expecting to receive broadcast (OTA or otherwise) TV, and to be compatible with HD content in particular. Rather than spend extra money to make the set capable of scanning both 480i, and 1080i natively, Sony (and essentially every other manufacturer who put out an HD CRT TV) opted to use a chassis which would scan the primary resolution (1080i, so running at 33.6khz) and support the rest via scaling. It offers you support for those resolutions without the added cost to fix a "problem" which the vast majority of consumers wouldn't have or be able to notice either way.

That said, it'll still accept 480i just fine, and they actually do a rather decent job of deinterlacing 480i into 480p(in actuality 540p) or 1080i. It's just 240p they don't play that well with.

>>4771659
>It's just 240p they don't play that well with.

i wonder what crt royale thru retroarch would look like on this thing?

Toshiba 27a44 any good?

Rate my setup boys!

>Inb4 my gfs shit on the walls.
She shares the other side of the room.

>>4771780
i dont see a N64 -3/10

>>4771786
Nope, sorry. Just my ps2 and a switch I regret buying.

>>4771780
Aside form laptop it's a really nice setup. Simple and comfy.

i'm planning on spraying on on some plastic sealant on the deflection yoke of my tv in order to hopefully get rid of the mind-numbingly loud high-pitch ringing it emits. do i need to discharge the tv before or can i just spray that mf on there? pls help

>>4771907
What makes you think that will have any effect on the noise?

>>4771907
you should try operating a different CRT first to see if it sounds the same
something tells me you're just an underagefag with OCD

>>4771915
is that a rethorical question?

>>4771921
none of the crts i've owned before has rung like this. it's clearly a defect of some sort

>>4771921
This is likely. I can't stand 15 kilohertz tubes after having been away from them for years.

>>4771929
Why do you think an aerosol will make it stop?

Were your previous CRTs NTSC TVs or PC monitors?

>>4771931
not an answer to my question

>>4771937
If you need to ask, you shouldn't be opening a CRT. How do you expect a thin layer of sealant to stop a vibrating component putting energy into the surrounding medium?

>>4771943
who said anything about a thin layer?

Is it normal to need to set different geometry settings when switching between different resolutions and refresh rates on a vga monitor? I bought a dell e771p the other day and I was wondering if maybe there's a setting somewhere on the monitor or nvidia control panel that I'm missing that would fix this.

>>4771907
alright if it's gonna be such a bother i'll just throw the tv away.

>>4771978
Truly, you have dizzying logic. "I cant' figure it out on my own and get no response from me e-peers, I guess I'll just throw away a TV!"

Sure, yeah, that works.

>>4771989
if it can't be repaired why should i keep it around? better to just recycle it

>>4771996
It possibly can be, if it's actually malfunctioning. But replacing all the electrolytic capacitors may not be worthwhile when you can get a new tube gratis. Have you owned a CRT TV before, or is your experience only with PC monitors?

>>4772004
don't patronize me

>>4772019
I'll take that as a no. Every consumer CRT tv generates a 15.734 kHz whine, which is why I don't have one anymore.

>>4760778
NOT
FUCKING
RETRO
FAGGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GTFO I'M REPORTING YOU FOR VIOLATING THE RULES

>>4772021
i watched your mom get pounded on vhs before you were born

>>4771659
what is 540p?

>>4772138
The progressive scan form of 1080i. It's what is displayed when you set a (Sony at least) HDCRT to "Progressive" mode, when feeding 480i or similar.

Usually this would results in windowboxing, but the display expands the raster so that only the center 480p signal is visible.

The reason it is able to do this resolution is because it has the same sync frequency as 1080i, so the display is able to do it natively as well.

>>4772147
does that mean it will have scanlines?!

>>4763870
>>4763981
>>4763590
The BVM-2010/11/15/16 models have three separate outputs on the back called Decoder and three called Vector. I think they might take composite in, and turn it into RGB out. Or possibly YPbPr. Might just be another RGB passthrough like a splitter. Never bothered to test my 2010 though. Seems to be related to the BF BKM-1440 board in the manual.

I guess this is a bit of an edge case, but anon did ask about pro monitors.

I'm living in Japan and looking to finally get my retro setup finished. Any good CRTs I should look out for here?

>>4760778
is it OK to get a TV for retro gaming, or do I absolutely have to get a monitor? I plan to watch all my old shows on the TV anyway. would it be fine to play retro games on one of those small VCR plus TV combo units?

>>4772236
You can do whatever you want. A regular cancer ray tube tv can be picked up gratis. 27 inch is a good size if you're not a big guy. Any larger and my mom couldn't move it.

I recommend composite video for the best 16-bit experience :-)

https://kayin.moe/?p=2598

https://selectbutton.net/t/pixels-are-not-square/3212

http://alvyray.com/Memos/CG/Microsoft/6_pixel.pdf

http://retro-sanctuary.com/comparisons%20-%20differing.html

https://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/13/139866/2728597-batmancomparison.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lA4TxjT0-c4/maxresdefault.jpg

http://nerdlypleasures.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-case-for-composite.html

>>4772161
No. The individual lines of video still managed to blend together rather well, as you would see on most SD CRTs that end up lacking visible scanlines. Perhaps on the largest sets (such as the 36 and 40'' varieties of the XBR800), you might get some level of that effect, but it's not exactly the same.

>>4772236
>or do I absolutely have to get a monitor?
Get what you enjoy, don't get something just because it's seen as popular or out of a need to fit in.

If you think you'll enjoy playing on a regular CRT TV, be it a higher end one or a literal junk heap, don't force yourself to invest hundreds of dollars and/or hours to get a monitor that you don't really want.

I have a VGA monitor I stopped using in 2012 when it suddenly went dim. Can I assume it's no longer holding any charge?

>>4772245
Great post. If you agree or not there is a lot of interesting reading.

lol I got downvoted for recommending a Sonic game be played over composite video. People don't like being made to feel foolish for spending money to have a worse experience.

>>4772248
how is this possible? does the crt adjust the size of the lines based on the resolution?

>>4772320
>filename