/vr/ - Retro Games

No, this is

>>4769378
That or Guardian's Crusade

>>4769378
No that honor belongs to DUAL ORB 2

>>4769378
FFVI
Looking for a cliche? Find it there.

>>4769389
You mean 4

>>4769396
And 5

>>4769378
Man this game was a slog. I played it back when it came out when I had JRPG fever and was waiting for FFVII. It's really hard to like

>>4769404
The job system along makes 5 one of the less generic rpgs, especially with FF

>>4769385
Yea, GC was horrible, but my 7 year old cousin liked it because he could actually finally beat an rpg. I watched him for half the time it took him to beat it, so I have some nostalgia for it even though I hated it.

>>4769378
I'd tell you, but I forgot. :P

>>4769396
>Groundbreaking rpg that set the stage for decades to come.
>Cliche

Pick one.

>>4769464
No that's Dragon Quest you're thinking of. All FF4 did was shift the focus away from gameplay and toward cutscenes and melodrama.

>>4769464
>Groundbreaking
>Final Fantasy fucking IV

Tecmo Secret of the Stars

Either way, this reminds me so much of the art of Shining Force, I'll let a lot slide. I fucking love the artwork and wish a shining force was made with this exact art style.

>>4769502
that's because it was made by the Shining Force staff after they left Sega, and the artist who worked on it did art for some of the Shining Force games.

You can consider it the official unofficial sequel of the Shining games before they got bastardized by Sega.

>>4769493
Wojackposters need to get sent to a death camp already.

>>4769493
Is this the nu-/vr/ I was warned about?

>>4769502
It's basically the precursor Golden Sun, and almost as wordy.

>>4769382
This. Great music but super generic.

I remember going into the store every day (I worked downtown Washington DC and did a mail run type job) and would ask when it was coming out. Finally it did (the first real rpg on the PSX!!!) and I was so excited.

Then I started playing. Did beat it, but let's see. How can we annoy the player:
Give him a character that for 75% of the game is at half strength and half the time can't attack.
Allow the player to miss recruiting one of the two healers in the game (this happened to me) because they decide to explore a location before the story calls for them to go there.
Make it so you have to button mash to get better combat results = numb fingers.

If you too suffered through this and also owned Albert Odyssey for the Saturn, there's a book in the library in the beginning of the game:
"What lies beyond the beyond? No one knows for the journey is fraught with boredom."

>>4769542
Shining in the Darkness was too

>>4769552
that's a sick burn I'll grant, but ironic for a game as horrendously boring as Albert Odyssey

>what if we tripled boss health so every fight was an hour long!?

>>4769505
>it was made by the Shining Force staff

Nice to know. I got the game a few months ago but I've not researched it's background yet. That's pretty awesome.

>>4769485
t. didn’t play II.

Next you’ll be telling me 1 is the best game in the series.

>>4769505
In my headcanon, Beyond the Beyond is some kids in the Shining world playing pretend adventures. Shining has always put straightforward but enjoyable gameplay ahead of story, but this doesn't work for RPGs.

>>4769464
Sorry mate, but final fantasy is generic as sin, the only saving point from the game was the battle system.

>>4769931
Final Fantasy IV that is.

>>4769385
Take that back. It's a cute, charming rpg with charming designs and a good soundtrack. The difficulty's low but it has interesting stuff like its seamless world, toys that help you in different ways you can set up combos with, and good plot developments towards the end. I like it anyway.

>>4769378
Lufia 1 is after the intro. BtB has a unique health system and an active battle system, which sets it slightly above games like that and Albert Odyssey Gaiden.

Still an awful game, of course.

I've played lots of RPGs I forgot more of than BTB

>>4769378
I recall liking it at the time but in hindsight it was probably pretty lame.

>>4769387
God what a fucking grind Dual Orb 2 was. If I didn't play it on emulator with a fast forward trigger I would never have beaten it. A shame because I liked some of the characters and dialogue.

>>4769387
>>4769396
These and also Secret of the Stars.

>>4769385
>Guardian's Crusade
Man, i love GC, isn't the best rpg but is charming and i liked the toy system. If i remember well, the max lvl was 65535 and the final boss scales with you lvl.

Albert Odyssey was the most generic rpg for me.

>>4769931
>the only saving point from the game was the battle system.
ATB can rot in the 90s.

>>4770768
Final Fantasy ATB might be shit but Growlanser and Grandia did it well

>>4770792
Grandia's systems are the pinnacle of turn-based rpg combat.

>>4770768
>ATB can rot in the 90s.
Grandia, Panzer Dragoon Saga and Baten Kaitos Origins have some of the best battle systems ever and they're all based on ATB
blame square for not doing more with it after inventing it

Breath of Fire or Lunar

>>4769378
What are some good generic RPGs, aside from obvious Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy games. I want something really generic (no magitek!) setting-wise but fun to play.

>>4769378
Legend of Legia to me. Rented once, sunk 10 or so hours in and it was the most generic boring thing I ever played.

>>4771253
Legend of Dragoon

>>4769378
Forgettable? Never played It, but the title alone makes it more memorable than many others, I'm still not sure whether it's genius or retarded

This shit was generic as hell. Dull, predictable story about a generic evil empire, most of the music sucked and constantly repeating, and nearly all the combat was mindlessly easy and had you just auto-battling through fights.

Only reason it's praised so much is because of the massive list of recruitable characters, but well over half of them are worth using or are just completely forgettable.

>>4769515
>nu-/vr/
>implying you're all not just pretentious /v/keks larping

>>4771265
Winner winner

>>4769378
>Was this the most generic and forgettable RPG of all time?

No, it was kino.

>>4769378
The most generic and forgettable RPG of all time is the one no one is talking about here.

>>4772419
Do you recruit your own army and build your own fucking castle in every rpg you play? Shit taste confirmed, gaylord

>>4770552
the graphics suck, yeah, but what kills me is that the enemies don't give you any exp, which makes fighting them pointless.

>>4772453
Yes recruiting 80 forgettable npcs is such an amazing feature.

Go back to your Gremio fagfiction.

>>4772442
That's because Golden Sun isn't retro.

>>4772463
>little baby gets overwhelmed by actually having choice in a jrpg
topjej

>>4772513
If you had any reading comprehension you'd know that's not what was implied. Put some effort into your shitposting.

>>4770552
one of the rare action rpgs for the play station that had lock-on
it also had a decent camera

>>4772525
Nope, that's exactly what was implied. I guess not being sent down a walled corridor and being told what characters to use is really scary for you.

>>4772542
Nigger, what? It doesn't matter who you use. Combat is easy as hell and only a handful of characters are anything more than forgettable npcs. You can be asspained all you want, it doesn't change how bland the game is.

>>4769387
The only Dual Orb 2 meme that is correct and worthwhile.

>>4771253
Lufia & the Fortress of Doom is exceedingly archaic and generic, but it has a pretty heartwarming story and its localization was top notch. Definitely the most memorable "generic RPG" for me.

>>4770552
The gameplay, the inca-style soundtrack themes, the graphical style and even the last minute wtf plot twists keep me from thinking Granstream was generic. It may have been mediocre, but it was very original in most respects.

>>4769378
It's funny that Beyond the Beyond is so widely (and probably rightly) panned for being generic and forgettable, while Golden Sun is praised by everyone when they're basically the same game. I just finished playing GS2 yesterday (I forced myself to beat it, been in the backlog for years) and I can barely remember a thing about its characters or story. What a forgettable and bland plot. And yeah, like Beyond the Beyond, full of characters that won't fucking shut up.

>>4774385
The only people that praise Golden Sun so much are people who barely play rpgs. For most of them it was either their first non-FF rpg or first GBA rpg so they think it's amazing. They make a big fuss about the puzzles in dungeons only because they never really saw anything like that in FF7-9 so they think it's new an innovative.

Golden Sun is really the epitome of "baby's first rpg"

>>4769378
It was awful. I think I got 8 hours in before I could no longer take the mindlessly slow regular battles.

>>4774638
My nigga.

>>4774594
The one great thing about Golden Sun was the djinn system and it being tied to class changes. Battle and animation speed was also fast which is great for GBA (and fast battles should be the norm for turn-based RPGs anyway). Everything else is utterly mediocre. The likes of Lufia II did dungeon puzzles a million times better.

For all its shit Beyond the Beyond at least had a sense of humor to it which Golden Sun utterly lacked.

>>4774638

>>4770465
>Lufia 1 is after the intro
That plot twist, though. That alone makes it a lot more memorable than Beyond the Beyond, aka nothing happens: the game.

>>4774638
I remember it because the major bad guy was basically the thing but magic.