/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[05-11] Datanon's ZScript Tutorials
https://www.bitchute.com/profile/ObFVcYVZSoSQ/

[05-11] AMC TC Episode 3 Trailer
https://youtu.be/zjEbwtg2luo

[05-10] TTS sound effects, available through a download
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC4F9tQWKOU

[05-08] Deep learning AI generating Doom maps
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/611072/ai-generates-new-doom-levels-for-humans-to-play/

[05-04] Champions, a compatibility-friendly monster variant mod, now 1.2
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=60456

[05-03] Anon's ZScript video tutorials
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/4744020/#4748086

[04-30] PROJECT ILE version 0.23 released
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/4741726
http://www.mediafire.com/file/e52z704ui56acjm/Project%20ILE.rar

[04-27] Powerslave EX Revival "not far" according to lead developer
https://twitter.com/SVKaiser/status/989945964831105024

[04-27] Further details of upcoming DOOM movie
https://geektyrant.com/news/doom-reboot-reportedly-has-a-director-and-lead

[04-26] FreeDoom maps, as PWADs
https://mega.nz/#F!j0cgkJKT!QXo16jxgK1iQf-92Sx1gdA

[04-26] func_msgboard is having a 100-brush mapping contest
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61565

[04-26] New Q1SP map, Mire Prison by jcr - feedback requested
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1iwq_lBPaEDxqee4Qr430fCequXNyx3Fs

[04-26] Anon map release: Old Research Sector
https://mega.nz/#!AVcwWADK!qxrEr7yMG_TxYLyfqxOohQJtszlT2k_9vt4NlL9CMxQ

[04-25] A new beta for Brutal Doom v21 released:
http://www.moddb.com/mods/brutal-doom/downloads/brutal-doom-v21-beta

[04-24] Dimension of the Boomed, a Quake themed mapset currently in beta.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/92574-dimension-of-the-boomed-beta2-release/

[04-23] Babel 4-23-2017 update, mostly bug fixes.
https://babel-mod.neocities.org/

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these threads are gay. get up to DUAL ORB 2s lvl

>>4765556

Damn, one away from quads.

Early screen of my next map. The level is a gothic inspired cathedral built into a mountain, inspired by Petra and those Buddhist mountain temples.

>>4765567
This is some neat shit. Is this just a single level release, or are you going to make this into a megawad?

I wonder if it's possible for a shader to emulate a CRT effect? We already had a retro-color shader that was kinda funky, and that PS1-style jiggling environment one never did get finished or released I believe.

>>4765579
someone could probably port over a shader from an emulator pretty easily
>PS1-style jiggling environment
this works but you have to manually hack the vertex program because gzdoom won't let you replace it in a pwad

>>4765567
Single release.
>>4765579
There's this guy on Doomworld who posted some pics of a heavy CRT filter. Not quite sure how he did it.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/1874458

>>4765620
meant for >>4765574

>>4765560
/vr/ doesn't have dubs.

>>4765632

No, but it does have trips, so it stands to reason there are quads as well.

we have achieved the pinnacle of music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAY1MXcpTTw

//Place the RainDropSpawner on your map, and use values set on the specials tab to modify it

//The first argument controls it's area. 128, for example makes it a 256x256 square or 256-radius circle (See fourth argument)
//The second argument controls it's frequency. The lower the number, the heavier the rainfall
//The third argument controls whether or not it plays it's ambient sound. 0 will play the sound, 1 will not
//The fourth argument controls the area type. 0 is a square, 1 is a circle

>GZDB doesn't have a specials tab
help

>>4765803
so apperantly these don't seem to work in gzdoom? whatever.

>>4765797
terrifying

>>4765818
or apparently they do, the rain just isn't showing for some reason? iddt shows they're spawning

Are there player sprites based on the PSX cover?

>>4765759
The only trips or better that aren't disabled are repeating zeroes. You can check for 4765555 in Desuarchive and it won't exist.

>>4765848
Yes.

>>4765862
ah shit, it was such a strangely specific thing to ask I kinda didn’t think it would’ve been a thing
ty

Graf Zahl mode engaged.

>>4765840
maybe the spawner fell down to the floor

>>4765064
sprite or texture? because there's those alien things from Strife.

stealth

>>4765874
Noooope, turns out the default transparency and scale makes them utterly impossible to see.

>>4765897
Texture

lol he look like EvaXephon

wasn't someone on /vr/ gonna do a blind blood playthrough recently

HE GOT GIRL SOCKS ON

>>4765931
Remember to make a script warp the droplet spawner along with the player if he has a sky flat above him. I think that's how you're supposed to use it anyway.

>>4765947
Sexualize c.kid

>>4765947
still a dude

>>4765952

>>>/wsg/2217333
HUH

Gonna throw this idea out there for someone to use, since I'm not going to.

Pacifist Monk:
>Uses martial arts and non-lethal weapons (nunchucks, staff, tonfa) along with Batman/Zelda-style tools to incapacitate foes.
>Ultimate combat goal is to seal the demons through spirit bindings, or banish them outright (possible for possessed, imps and lost souls).
>Demons can be knocked out to temporarily incapacitate them. K.O.s are much easier to pull off than sealing or banishing.
>Sealed demons can be broken out of their binding vessel by allies, crowd control is very important.

>>4766009
Too floaty.

>>4766019
The ground friction or gravity?

>Keel coming to QCDE
How long before this mod gets character-bloated or did it already reached this state?

>>4766024
Gravity, I think. Just looks like you're floating for way too long. Ground friction I'm just gonna accept there as part of Doom's way faster movement speed.

>>4766037
I set the gravitational acceleration to real world values (assuming 32 map units is a meter) but perhaps I should increase it a bit. Ground friction I *will* fix.

>>4766026
>Character-bloated

Did you forget Quake 3 itself had 32 characters counting their skins that is not the Team ones?

Also, diversity is good if well planned, better than QC itself that have only like 10 characters because id Software develops that game at the pace of a single-man indie developer game.

>>4766067
Q:C is at 13 and while slower than you'd like, it's almost like fully modeling, texturing, and animating a character is far more time-consuming than kludging some sprites together in MS Paint

>>4766078
>it's almost like fully modeling, texturing, and animating a character is far more time-consuming than kludging some sprites together in MS Paint

So what? Are you telling me that they reserved a small team of like 10 employees to develop the game just like what Epic Games did to UT4? Because as far as i know AAA companies loves to overdesign stuff nowdays exactly because they have manpower to do it in a short time.

Riot Games had an age which they were developing champions like every month, when Epic Games was working on Paragon with a full team they had a rule of releasing a new character every 3 weeks and even when the design crisis of that game started they kept releasing them every 3 weeks while scrapping the original map to make a new one and entirely rework on the card system, id Software rebooted the entire design of nuDoom in 2014 and 2 years later it was a full overdetailed game.

I'm pretty sure the problem with Q:C is that the team working on it is extremely small just like the UT4 one, because if they had a regular AAA team working on it, by this date they could have recreated all of the 32 characters Quake 3 have.

>>4766087
>Are you telling me that they reserved a small team of like 10 employees to develop the game just like what Epic Games did to UT4?
worse: the team is a bunch of drunk russians with several continents and a language barrier between them, and idthesda not giving QC their AAA team at all in the first place (hence why it's fucking outsourced)

>>4766091
This explains why they have been working on that new gore system that have so small pieces that no player playing in 4K resolution will notice ingame, instead of fucking working on parts of the game that have higher priority like more game types and maps.

>>4766096
But don’t you like the epic steam pre-order hats?

I am really pleased with how these guns are turning out. I still need to think of a high heat effect for the shotgun though.

https://my.mixtape.moe/pscekv.webm

>>4766109
That is a really sexy reload animation. The world sprites for the shell and the one in the gun ought to match each other in color though.

Also the mantis rocket animation is cute as shit.

>>4766109
The gun rapid-fires each individual pellet.

Is there a Heretic equivalent of Doom the way id did?

>>4766163
There’s barely a Heretic equivalent of anything

>>4765558
I mean, it's always good to have archived stuff. If I will need to research when a mod was released or updated, I can rely on that.

Having written history of stuff is always good.

This is what I'm trying to do and can't figure out, anybody able to help me on this?

The player goes up the stairs and at each landing (where there's an imp) the acid rises up to that landing, damaging everything it touches including the imps. The big sector to the left is the acid's sector. I've removed all my previous linedef/script attempts for clarity.

Link:
https://my.mixtape.moe/ztngcg.wad

in samsara multiplayer, when chexwarrior kills anyone, do they teleport like enemies?
like, does it affect deaths in first person?

>>4766012
Yeah, a great idea. Let's turn EVERY level into Nightmare mode, because demons will respawn from KOs. </sarcasm>

It sounds cool on paper, but I doubt this would be fun to play.

So my revision: after demon is KOd for a minute, a random roll is made. If roll is succesful, demon resurrects. If roll fails. demon stays alive - and in a minute, another roll for resurrection will be made - and if it fails, another in another minute. More powerful the demon, lower wakeup chance.

As for sealing, I guess the best way to do sealing would be to simply to give player a weapon - a very low damage sealing wand - let's say it's about as strong as pistol, but if it kills enemies with the sealing wand, it stays dead pernamently, and can't be resurrected (even by an archvile).

Also you can't seal knocked out demons, only sealed demons count towards kill percentage, and each seal rewards you with a small pickup - be it ammo, armor or health. Sealing all enemies in a level gives you a 200% health and 200% armor, which would incentivize player to go for seals.

In general, I think weapons should divide into martial arts weapons - tonfas, bo staff, nunchucks - which are powerful and take out enemies easily by knocking them out - and sealing weapons, like prayer mill, prayer beads, sealing wand, enchanted salt - that deal VERY little damage, but they seal enemies off pernamently.

Also since basic zomibes aren't demon, you can't seal them - but if you knock them out, they stay down pernamently and this counts towards your kill percentage.

Also, ditch that "Sealed demons can be broken out of their binding vessel by allies" mechanic because it sounds like a terrible fucking pain in the ass - instead let's go with actual buddhist mythos - buddhists believe that trapped demons can be made to serve humans. So let player use sealed demons as familiars that will fight on your side, which is another way to encourage player to seal. But there is a chance they will betray you.

repost

>>4765196

can I have feedback on this?, is very pre-alpha, no monsters, no nothing, use noclip or look at it in gzdoombuilder

https://mega.nz/#!2gAGhQCL!WKoutlXg2i4X23YDlwt70YAIAV-npa6kLFLBOHC94S8

yes, if you look closely they are the Big Boo's Haunt rooms from Super Mario 64, I wanted to do that mansion replacing the one from banjo kazooie and doing the outdoors too but somehow ended in this shit, I need gzdoom features to actually make my vision of the map

I want to know what to keep, what to move, what to delete, rooms orders, teleports placement and connections, monster placement, traps... well, you know.. everything

don't ask me to reduce details in the coffins room, I actually want to keep detailing the rest of the map

>>4765936
slurp slurp
>>4765567
The Russian Doom community loves its realistic buildings.

How could one go about lowering the volume of a midi track?

>>4766224
It's a little too difficult to give advice on a map with no monsters...

>>4766245
Load into audacity and lower volume there?

>>4766109
personally I think the shotgun looks too smooth, as in, the mechanical action is one fluid motion

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/100679-requiem-reimagined-soundtrack-released/

The original creators behind the midi soundtrack to Requiem have remastered it with proper instrumentals. Looking forward to the pk3 music pack.

>>4766183
Progress, figured out an all damaging sector. Although it's refusing to do it as "slime" damage and instead just some regular form of it.

>>4766245
there are some "channel volume" control messages you can insert into the midi tracks, but you will likely need to find a good midi editor to do this. I can't recommend any off the top of my head

>>4766249
that won't work, audacity is for sample (waveform) data

>>4765950
>make a script
hahahaha

>>4766346
I may be wrong, but I think the rain spawner only spawns rain within a circle centered around itself. Which would make it useless unless warped to the players location in most circumstances. (could be put outside windows you can't cross I suppose)

>>4766348
Can't do scripts, anon. Several people have said they literally cannot understand it in this thread.

How can I make the acid sector only damage what's on the floating board when the acid has risen up to it?

As it is now, because the floating board has to share a sector tag with the acid sector, it damages everything there regardless of where the acid is.

>>4766352
Are you that anon that wanted the room full of stairs to have acid rising in it? I took a crack at it, came up with a few solutions too.

>>4766369
I am, yes.
I hung around a bit for you to post your level thingie but didn't hear from you and went to bed.

What did you come up with?

Well, now only the ambient sound is not working.

>>4766379
found a workaround but it's extremely loud...

>>4766370
I'm not that guy your reffering to btw. Anyways I made three small separate scripts (each one is a different way to make the acid rise) that causes the acid to rise and damage everything including the imps, when you use or shoot the silver switch. You can swim in the acid as well, all while it does damage between 3-10. When you use the Radsuit you are immune to the acid. I didn't even use the big sector that's tagged with "23".

Then again I'm not sure if this is what you wanted. Excuse this recording, OBS doesn't seem to like gzdoom that much.

>>4766350

>>4766413
Not even that guy, but love you anon.

>>4766402
That's almost spot on.
Mind uploading it to mixtape so I can see under the hood?

I was wanting to use the concept in a level where acid rises only up to certain points when the player crosses a threshold.

>>4766350
No, it's just you who said that, and you're wrong just like last time. You only need to actually try and you can figure it out.

>>4766417
I love you too anon.

>>4766419
https://my.mixtape.moe/wldgqp.wad

I never used mixtape before so I hope I did this right.

Reminder: Don't respond to >>4766420 an obvious troll

>>4766432
So this is really cool and solves a very large problem I had, but I'm having a hard time even looking at the script exactly what's going on. I'll try and study it a bit more but I'm just amazed at how simple it is.

When I envisioned what I had in mind I thought you had to make a 3d sector, for every single sector that would ever get submerged, resulting in having to have potentially hundreds of sectors.
Do you go on any forums? I'd be happy to credit you or contact you if I have other questions about it.

>>4766420
>>4766449
Obviously it's not one fucking person you idiot.

>>4766451
I'm >>4766449

Not the other guy.
I don't even know what you're fighting about.

>>4766453
We're fighting over people not understanding code; and he thinks anybody who doesn't agree with him is one person. Typical Nu-/v/ mentality.

>>4766454
I see.
Well I understand utterly basic code, not some things I'm seeing now. Hoping to change that so I can make a level rather than proof of concept maps.

>>4766458
Fucking thank you.
It's not hard to print a message on a screen.
It's fucking rocket-science to have anything past basic messages.

>>4766449
Nah I don't go on any forums. Anyways I labeled the different scripts as "methods" and if you wish to try out the different scripts, just open the silver switch's linedef and set it to either script 1, script 2 , or script 3. They should all work the same, there just different ways of going about it.

>>4766248
well, where would you put them?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o9q8p8o388cf3an/2018-05-11%2012-52-48.flv?dl=0 current map preview

hell rose is bugged (it's spawns don't despawn after completing their attack animation, no clue how to fix, too complicated) and also lacks sounds

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o9q8p8o388cf3an/2018-05-11%2012-52-48.flv?dl=0

>>4766465
oh i put the link in the post twice im still retarded

>>4766067
Quake 3 had 32 SKINS, not characters. None of them change gameplay in any way.

QCDE has a 16 characters who play compltely differently - they have different health, speed, abilities, and even size of their hitbox determining what corridors they can enter.
You have to learn how to play each of them basically from scratch, and each character has to be balanced against each other. We're slowly reach Smash levels of roster bloat, and Smash Bros is intended as a for-fun party game.

>>4766470
>for-fun party game
>for-fun
>party
>game
holy triple redundancy batman

>>4766462
Well thanks a million again, friend. In the credits I can include "help from /vr/" but if you had a name I'd use it.
Really grateful for the help.

What are some good mapsets with dark/industrial/futuristic theme? I'm looking for something that would work well with Accessories to Murder.

>>4766470
>Smash Bros.
>for Fun
>Fun

Funny. I only feel rage when playing that game.

>>4766482
Well thank you anon. Though I admit I'm still an amateur myself, so I encourage you to learn everything ACS has to offer.

>>4766473
...Competitive games exist. That's my point, that Smash bros isn't intended as a serious competitive game, it's intended as something you can play with your little cousing and beat up Mario as Princess Peach.

>>4766493
I'm creative (or like to think I am) but I am absolutely visual. I can see level designs and move them around and experiment with them very quickly in my mind's eye but anything non visual (like maths or code) I have a hard time with.
Makes me see why some designers hate mapping and love gameplay mods and others are the opposite.

Oh hey, new doom mod madness video.

>>4766486
Putrefier

"'@property@actor' is an unknown actor property"

WTF does this mean, ive looked over the entry and there's literally nothing wrong with it.

It also happened with the entry just before it and it was a very simple entry with nothing to go wrong with it.

>>4766523
To be more specific it was this

Actor RocketSmokeProjector : DukeFireExplosion
{
States{
Spawn:
TNT1 AAAAAA 3 A_SpawnItemEx("RocketSmokeTrail", random(-40, 40), random(-40, 40), random(0, 30))
TNT1 AAAA 0 A_SpawnItemEx("RocketSmokeTrail", random(-40, 40), random(-40, 40), random(0, 30))
Stop
}
}


> thing is, the actor DukeFireExplosion did not throw any errors.
> All that this actor does is present a different set of spawn frames, it doesnt even change it besides that.

>>4766504
>tfw he thinks the Astolfo bean plushie is a yukkuri
>tfw he calls the chainsaw a chaingun

>>4766494
Developer's intention is meaningless.

>>4766569
Is that why with every new iteration, they make attempts to stave off the neckbeards?

trilinear

how do i open "mapinfo" in doom builder? making a gzdoom map
this is driving me insane

>>4766504
I knew he'd love it

>>4766582
Sakurai thinks his opinions as a developer matter, so he tries and ruin the game for anyone he thinks is playing it "wrong".

>>4766582
>>4766590

Weird, because the fourth one literally had Final Destination modes for every stage and a dedicated online mode for competitive rules. Are you sure you're not lying out your fucking ass?

>>4766465
2spooky

>>4766592
I recall Brawl having a tripping mechanic specifically to stop people from doing movement techniques, and it was executed poorly and became a major flaw of the game. The whole Omega gimmick is shitty because fighting on a flat surface is dumb and not what the “tourney players” even do

>>4766597
Still, it's wrong to claim Nintendo is trying to "stave off the neckbeards" when they're obviously trying to appeal to them, isn't it?

>>4766494
>Taking competitive games seriously to the point of autism

>>4766593
THANKS STROGG!
i wish somebody had remade the music though

>>4766586
hello?

>>4766605
Smash is a sort of exception since it could vaguely be considered a fighting game, and even then, I wouldn’t say it’s “obviously appealing” to anyone, especially not adults. The company makes things aimed at kids, if some middle aged man enjoys Nintendo Cardboard, that’s another thing.

>>4766592
There's already one FInal Destination, it doesn't matter if there are a couple dozen variants that are all the same. "Fox Only, Final Destination" has always been a meme.

>>4766163
>>4766172
>Heretic: The Way Raven Did
Now that's something i'd like to see happen

>download the ultimate torment and torture because someone in the last thread ironically recommended it
>first level has rocket launcher zombies
Oh boy here comes the shit

>>4766643
>Castlevania: The Way Konami Did
>ends up being a pachinko machine

>>4766607
>>4766465
fuck it. here's an pre-alpha. map's not done that's obviously why it's an alpha.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y1m8vomckpym7py/reminaraforestprealpha.wad?dl=0
take screenshots and scribble stuff down if you like. got a lot of ideas but not sure how to execute some of them.

>>4766652
>>4766652
>>4766370
only "playable" up to the yellow skull door
didn't mark it yet for openability.

I have some ideas of what I want to do, but some of them are a "how am i supposed to do this?" The earliest example of "how the hell should i show this" is with the fleshy growth at the start of the map. Doesn't look entirely right.

>>4766607
>i wish somebody had remade the music though
fuck you, i really like it

>>4766652
I think im going to an pre-alpha now

Today's Thought:
what if we could somehow combine the gameplay of internal conflict, shotgun frenzy, stronghold, zdoomwars (minus anything that's not doom) and master of puppets into a more traditional rts-fps hybrid?

>>4766665
okay yes my mistake.
alpha still typically denotates "not everything essential is there yet"

>>4766663
I do too; but it's rather entirely-droning and not quite up to snuff for most doom music.
it's literally from one of apogee's sidescrollers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYHz2_OjTcM

>>4766662
> when the Door is actually just a Wall

>>4766678
Isn't every door just an openable wall?

>>4766682
Nope
A Door is a Hole In A Wall
Which is Obstructed (when the door is closed)

>>4766684
But when it's obstructed, it could be considered a wall.

>>4766605
They tried the absolute bare minimum to appeal to them.

>>4766687
No because there's this extremely annoying thing that is done in doom mapping for example where a wall is dressed up to look perfectly like a door but it actually is a solid wall and there is no hole in the wall whatsoever.
Then and only then is it actually a wall, even if it has been given the appearance of a door.

>>4766459
Nah bud, just like back in February when you chimped out over people telling you it was possible to learn code, you're wrong. There's a shitload of docs and resources and you CAN learn if you try.

r & i

>>4766701
Oh. That.

>>4766459
Maybe you have some kind of learning disorder? It's not THAT hard.
I am not trying to insult you, just saying.

>>4766735
>Maybe you have some kind of learning disorder?
We literally established this way back in H2H

>>4766716
metaphysically speaking we could say that doors and windows of opportunity are like a hole which just has a blockage in it when they close. Like opportunities could still be leveraged open, perhaps by waving a super shotgun at them.

But when someone posits an opportunity that never had any chance of materializing and had no hope of being delivered upon, well thats like one of those doors in the 1024 map sets that literally just do not go anywhere, they're the map architecture that cant even be interacted with.

>>4766738
I guess I tend to speak in Egyptian Metaphysics a lot.

But yeah; If you're going to make one of those faux-doors, at least make it very apparent it can't be interacted with or passed and is just decorative/animated.

I know this isn't exactly the right thread but are there any living instagib games / games with active instagib modes?

Also, has DoomRLA been updated yet?

>>4766752
>has DoomRLA been updated yet
[rip-roaring laughter cuts to miserable sobs]

>>4766556
> he thinks the Astolfo bean plushie is a yukkuri
It seems he has trouble understanding when something anime isn't actually Touhou

>>4766185

Yes.

>>4766413
but he CAN'T DO SCRIPTS

it's PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIM

:(((((

>>4766490

I played Orange Juice for fun and I had two friends chimp out on me about it.
Party games tend to bring out the worst in people, for some reason.

>>4766610
>>4766586

You can't make or open a MAPINFO file from inside GZDoombuilder, the closest is Edit > Map Options.
You need SLADE for MAPINFO.

Anybody got the old music for sloth in doomrpg?

>>4766758
Like Jojo?

>>4766597
>I recall Brawl having a tripping mechanic
Which they removed in the next game.

A boss fight against four bruiser demons in a cramped space? ON MAP FUCKING TWO?

Isn't that monster made by Tormentor667 even, does he even know what is own custom monster does?

>>4766692
Like making constant balance patches and hosting tournaments?

>>4766794
Balance patches would have happened regardless.
>hosting tournaments
Name one time that happened when it wasn't a blatant advertisement? Not that it matters because that has nothing to do with the game itself.

the last thing you'll see

>>4766215
The point of the KOs is crowd control, they're not supposed to be permanent and are supposed to be far easier to pull off than the equivalent of a "kill" (and the revive time should be a good bit longer than Nightmare's). KOs wouldn't block you from banishing foes either.

I think you have a good point about enemies breaking out of seals being a pain in the ass. Instead you could play on risk/reward by having "banishment" be the easy permanent kill condition, while "sealing" would be the higher reward kill condition that grants you loot with the risk of the demon breaking free.

>>4766798
>>4766794
>>4766692
>>4766605
>>4766597
>>4766592
>>4766590
>>4766582

>>>/v/

now i control the chex

>>4766783
OR JoJo, yeah

>>4766769
Take a deep breath and relax, anon.

>>4766830

>>4766839
I have never seen him confuse anything else for Touhou and it's perfectly reasonable to think that Astolfo plush is a yukkuri parody, since those things aren't exclusive to touhou even if they did originate from there.

hall of tortured souls

>>4766556
>>4766758
>>4766846

How does /vr/ feel about the regular fire button performing melee attacks if you're close to a monster?

They'd stun and give a damage multiplier penalty, and stunned monsters won't cause additional melee attacks. And attacks that'd kill the monster in one shot won't either.

I want fluid and dynamic combat without too many separate keybinds

>>4766853
Only if it comes out very, very fast. I'd hate to whiff attacks while simultaneously retreating.

>>4766853
That's the cutest Sorlag I've ever seen.

on the right he's saying HAHA TIME FOR CHEX

>>4766860
Yeah, really fast and also a guaranteed hit. The point is to give incentive to get close for a melee strike that renders tough enemies vulnerable to lower tier weapons, or otherwise just the satisfaction and ammo saving.
>retreating
Good point. It shouldn't happen when moving backwards.

If anyone cares, sgt Shivers made a post explaining how he speedmaps.
http://sgt-shivers.tumblr.com/post/173783748040/3000-follower-special-how-i-speedmap

Waiting for Treasure Tech is a pain, but it will be worth once it gets released. Now I really want to brainstorm a massive megawad that sends Doomguy through various locations and environments.

>>4766861
Maybe you haven't seen this one yet

LOOK HOW CUTE C.KID IS

>>4766523
nevermind I figured it out, the actor above this one didnt have a closing bracket

less ant

Wasn't there like some sort of Samsara equivalent for enemies?

I've currently found this mod for Quake called Ghosts.Basically it replaces the soundtrack with NIN Ghosts I-IV.It quite changes the mood of the game in my opinion.
You basically wander around the maps with no enemies or you can play it with Vanilla gameplay.
For those interested:
https://jp.itch.io/quake-ghosts

>>4766652
>enormous
>high concept to a fault
>clusterfuck visuals with one color overwhelming the rest
>potential allusions to xenomorphs
>edgy onscreen text
>literally zero direction
>vore-like obsession with flesh constructs
>enemy spam which probably won't be removed, little semblance of encounter design or even areas which will facilitate it
Yep, it's an SArais map alright. I'll almost be sad to see this one go unfinished. On the off chance you don't act like a total retard this time and decide to actually apply yourself, consider removing the meme chaingunner and toning down the fog a bit. Additionally, outdoor areas work better if they have cover, or large roaming enemies, not clusters of annoying smaller guys in a wide open field. Play Ancient Aliens and get to the level with the Cyberdemon, that design would work better for what you're doing than what's currently there. Also possibly provide *some* direction because, as usual, the map is fucking gigantic and players will get lost or end up wasting all their ammo like in the madness combat wad.

>>4766950
>potential allusions to xenomorphs
>literally zero direction
>vore-like obsession with flesh constructs
opinion disregarded

>>4766950
I hate how you can't put in cool mouth decorations in anything without some 4chan kid trying to look cool by calling you a vorefag.

>>4766954
Same. This is the same cunt that's been trying to derail the threads to begin with

>potential allusions to xenomorphs
this is where i knew he was making shit up and just no-clipped to the mouth so he could screenshot it and shitpost, rofl.

me

>>4766109
It's like an eight year old who still had wacky gun dreams made a doom mod. So fucking cool man.

>>4766953
>>4766960
>give criticism and happen to mention s'arais
>flip the fuck by making a big deal of how much you don't care about their opinions
>THIS IS THE SAME GUY WHO'S BEEN TRYING TO ETC ETC CONSPIRACY BULLSHIT
Yup, it's a S'arais map all right.

>>4766968
Enjoy your vacation

>>4766960
>>4766953
Actually I played the whole level and examined every bit of it including the skybox, but nice attempt at deflection there bud. Good job totally rejecting the legitimate criticism just because I pointed out how literally every one of your maps is like a goddamned rorschach test for your own personal issues.
Once again, if you actually do want to make something and aren't just setting up for your newest shitposting spree
>Keep the small enemies contained, use large roamers in the main bulk of the level
>Give players enough ammo & direction so that they don't get fucked just because they didn't go the right way
>Less memes
>use some colors that aren't red because red-on-red-on-red-on-red-on-red isn't fun to look at

>>4766954
I don't think anyone would say that if we didn't know that the guy gets off to this shit. Can't really blame people for not wanting to play the WAD equivalent of a crusty sock.

>>4766972
>How to make a shit map: the post
Again, enjoy your ban

>>4766972
>>4766975
both of you should just spare us and the mods trouble and fuck off to your home boards.

>>4766970
>>4766975
you can't handle criticism
these are perfectly valid critiques and you're instantly going into full on meltdown mode

you make up a conspiracy theory about how these people are out to get you and then call a janitor to try and clean it up
but the thing that gets me is how entirely you think you're in the right
you think that if you shitpost with "OPINION DISCARDED" or "ENJOY YOUR BAN" that it's perfectly fine, instead of contributing to the discussion
and then you whine about how it's YOUR posts that are deleted, how the janitor has it out for poor little you

in all of my years on 4chan, i have never once encountered a person i legitimately wanted to punch over the internet
congratulations, you've caused me to lower my standards. and i hope you're happy.

>>4766982

Thanks janitor.

>>4766954
They think they're being intellectual; but really nobody gives a shit.

>>4766986
you clearly do, given how you're *still fucking responding*

>>4766987
Not Retro

>>4766989
HOW CAN YOU BE THIS FUCKING LACKING IN SELF-AWARENESS

>>4766964
How to summon the hell dame IRL

>>4766990
How can you project yourself onto others so much?
Calm the fuck down, child.

>>4766991
Self-Castration

>>4766658
You could make a mod that reverses the weapon powers. You start with a BFG, but it's only as powerful as the pistol, and you eventually get the pistol -- with the strength of a BFG

>>4766970
>enjoy your vorecation
fixed that for ya

>>4766652

Given the latest chimp-out I decided to download this and see how it goes. I'm sure he'll throw a fit about how I'm biased and already hate it, but hey, I'm always willing to be proven wrong and see if he's improving. Time to liveblog this.
Right out of the gate there's a lot of beefy melee enemies and no ammo to deal with them with. I'm only a minute in and I'm already out of ammo.
Also look at this fucking texture alignment.

>>4766997
with shadow mapping

>>4767005

Oh, nevermind. I found some ammo. A single pistol pickup and an ammo backpack.
And there's like fifty of these anklebiters and a poison-spewing slime.
Yeah, I don't have ammo for this.

Made this after reading a Tumblr post regarding Quake lyrics.

>>4767005
>>4767010
Not him, but he did say it was a pre-alpha/not even close to finished. I don't think there are any weapons on the map besides a chaingun somewhere so it's best to idfa.

>>4767010

Oh, I see. I was supposed to go out the tiny barely-visible tunnel into the outside. And let all the 50 realm667 monsters infight with each other while I run around, I guess? That's not really very good map design, there's nudging a player along a path and then expecting them to know automatically where to go.
Still, credit where credit is due, he got some custom Realm667 monsters in and some print scripting. Not bad progress for someone who said that scripting was literally impossible for him. Well done!

>>4767014

Oh, absolutely. But even with alpha, it's important to get these criticisms in so he knows what's wrong and what to improve.

>>4766643
I'd also like to see Quake the way ID did.

>>4767018

I can't see shit. It's too dark, all the areas are colored the same, and the "rain" is coming down like fucking meteors.
Given that I'm supposed to keep moving to let the monsters infight, that's going to hamper visibility even further. There's no indication of where I can go, and even if there was I can't SEE it.

CHURCH OF DAEDOLON

>>4767026

Oh, radsuit wore off. The ground is poisoned, I guess, because nothing's hitting me but I'm still taking damage.
Great. And I still have no idea what I'm supposed to do.

>>4767028

So opening up the automap revealed an area I hadn't seen, where I find...another radsuit and a chainsaw.
I mean, that's another temporary reprieve from this constant damage, and a melee weapon against the enemies that fire ranged poison damage that ticks at my health.
Still no idea of where to go. This might as well have not existed.

>>4767010
>Yeah, I don't have ammo for this.
Yes you do. The map is vigorously playtested for every minor change made. Try not carelessly spraying bullets (saving them for risky enemys such as those worms) and opting to your fist
>beefy melee enemies
>Dies in 2-3 punches
>Beefy
ok.

>>4767014
Map would be trivialized with heavy ammo or weapon use. Player is meant to mostly use fist/chainsaw as well as INFIGHTING.
general prospect is of large masses of annoyance-enemys. If the mapper doesn't get the point, I'm not going to put a cyberdemon in a map where no cyberdemon would ever logically be; nor where the player would never have the items to do so.

It's funny, because I'm not the one "chimping out"
>tiny barely-visible tunnel
You must be blind considering it's impossible to miss, but I'm the moron for taking this bait.
>he got some custom Realm667 monsters in and some print scripting. Not bad progress for someone who said that scripting was literally impossible for him. Well done!
This isn't new. They've been in several prior maps. Copy-Pasting as well as Print showing up is not considered scripting/coding.

Honestly you seem like one of the new-genners who expect waypoints and arrows everywhere hand-holding them and telling them where to go; so you don't have much say on "bad design" when you wish to be spoonfed and the removal of all difficulty so that the map plays itself.

>>4767026
>>4767028
>Complains about text
>THEN bitches about the damage
>Complains the map continues to not play itself.
Pay attention.
God I hate Doom-Celebs.
>I can't see!
You have eyes. Use them.

>>4767034
>dismisses all criticism
typical s'arais

>>4767032

Oh, but it's a moot issue because that section of the map is full of trees and stalagmites that block my movement, so I get surrounded and eaten to death.
I'd rate it a map/10.

>>4767039
Just walk around them and use them when dealing with projectiles. The gaps are huge dude. I'm not going to spoonfeed the player and tell them where everything is off the bat. Explore; The damned chainsaw and radsuit in the map is immidiately infront of the -only path- the player can go at the start

Honestly the only thing that should be confusing if you bothered to actually play through the map instead of making these inane posts every five seconds, is needing to shoot the heart to lower the bars in the cave.

>>4767047
>Honestly the only thing that should be confusing if you bothered to actually play through the map

You mean like I just did? I took the shots before I posted.
Not my fault you don't like how I played, mate.

>>4767049
It seems more like you got upset every few seconds that a fresh map doesn't immidiately win itself for you on the first attempt and opted to complain on these imageboards that the map didn't pat your ass

>>4767034
you know, this is the third person that said your map is arse, it's probably best to assume the problem is not the players

>>4767052

Uh, sure thing, dude.

>>4767034
>God I hate Doom-Celebs.

yes, Anonymous is my favorite Doom-Celeb, he really knows what he's talking about

when you see him

>>4767060
he scream

>>4767034
>>Yeah, I don't have ammo for this.
>Yes you do.
>details precisely how you're not supposed to use your limited ammo and that more ammo would "trivialize" the map
this is an exact case of "you don't like the criticism" in action
you don't have enough ammo
saying "yes you do" and then promptly explaining that more ammo ruins things is inherently an oxymoron

>>4767065
>It's another "he doesn't understand the point of the map and just wants to be assraped by 3000 cyberdemons on a map about resource conservation and primarily risky melee fights with glass cannon enemys" episode.

>>4767058
Don't be a fool. Think for yourself. It's obvious that THEY are here to try and smear me again.

They always do this.

>>4767071
>>4767074
lol ok

Just permaban that waste of space already. Holy shit.

>>4767065
It's not my fault you don't like how the map plays and don't understand how to play it. It's also not my fault you don't use that large noggin of yours to assess the situation. If you don't have the ammo, maybe you should think "hey, maybe i should save this for when i really need it as there might be something really deadly, instead of these little things that can be easily side-stepped and punched to death""

I tried playing Doom 64 on an actual N64. God it is so much better on the PC.

>go to the shops
>come back and all these deleted posts

Ok, what'd I miss?

>>4767085
s'arais is getting criticism on his map

he's responding exactly as you expect

>>4767085
Don't ask, they'll just say it's Him again.

>>4767085
The great ape was let out of his cage.

>>4767090
>they'll just say it's Him again

You can't really post this when that's exactly what's going on. You posted a map and don't like the feedback you got.

>>4767087
>>4767090
>>4767091
I have no idea who that is.
He's a furry I presume?

>>4766863
I think the cartoony eyes in shadow are more charming, imo. The remake is not BAD by any means, it actually retains the style of the original - that's more than I can say about every single "Doom in HD" project.

>>4767094
"don't like the feedback you got"
Maybe because it's not really feedback if the player's attempting to smash their face against it like every shittier wad out there- many of which are shameful cacowards

>>4767090
As if it's hard to pinpoint him out. Posting progress pictures of another fleshy map with no cohesive visual or gameplay design is practically their calling card by the point.

I figured things were getting too peaceful lately.

>>4767095
xenofag with a martyr complex with the contrarian double-nature of wanting to contribute to the community but also wanting to be good at it and hating the fact that he's not good at it

also for some reason he really fucking hates the Doominati and blames them for things

>>4767102
As the guy who originally joked about 720 lines (and can't detail to save his fucking life), 720 lines.

>>4767098
>Maybe because it's not really feedback if the player's attempting to smash their face against it like every shittier wad out there
i don't even know what you're arguing here
"if the player's attempting to smash their face against it"
what does this even mean? that they're playing it aggressively? with a run-and-gun playstyle? like doom was intended to be played?
okay, so you made something experimental. the thing about experimental is that sometimes experiments don't work.

Here's the suggestions I've got so far. Any last minute ideas before I throw up a strawpoll?

>>4767062
he attac

>>4767104
>>4767101
>>4767098
Worst of all, he could be any one of us.
It could be you, it could be *me*, it could even be the ja-

Sippin' on that lean.

>>4767123
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb96zxizHXE

>>4767117
Desert theme?

I've never seen somebody do a desert map except in Stronghold.

>>4767117

720 linedefs or 2048x2048 might be interesting.
A time constraint will likely guarantee more participants, though, because there'll be less people trying to do more outlandish things and thus more smaller, contained projects, which will mean less people biting off more than they can chew and giving more results.

>>4767123
>>4767124
Naw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBOyMg1gpGI

>>4767120
Nah, it could only be him. Making garbage flesh maps and then going off the deep end for the rest of the day when nobody likes them is their signature. It happens every time.

>>4767012
Quake... lyrics?

>>4767127
Would one day be a sufficient time constraint if it wins? Or maybe just a few hours?

>>4767132
It was about voices you hear in the background.
Like in the main theme it's a scream.Or in Hall of Souls it's several reversed voices.

>>4766947
Is this even legal?

I mean for musical copyright reasons.

>>4767005
why were you shooting the tiny fast melee enemies instead of just punching them? It's kinda funny that you ran out of ammo in the very first room to be honest, since there's like 6 of the little 30 health worm things and a pinky.

>>4767147
That album is CC BY-NC-SA so the mod is kosher as far as Trent and his lawyers are concerned.

>>4767141

Well, 300 minutes was 5 hours. So a full day would be a little under 5x that and would be really hard to keep track of.
As someone with extremely little experience in mapping or contributing to mapsets, I'd say if it ain't broke then don't fix it. 360 minutes or 400 minutes, which makes six/a little over six hours?

>>4767151

There was an enemy in front of me and I had a gun, with no indication that this would be an ammo-light map.

>>4767151
not him but
>tiny
>fast
does not indicate i should melee them
in fact, it indicates the opposite

>>4767147
Yeah, Trent Reznor intended the Ghosts album to be free for basically everyone to use, encouraging people to use it and to remix it, etc.
Being that he made the score for the original Quake, it feels pretty fitting to use an album of his to rescore Quake.

>>4767147
Apparently yes.
https://torrentfreak.com/nin-uploads-new-album-on-torrent-sites-080303/

>>4767152
>>4767161
>>4767162

Oh well that's cool, good on Trent.

>>4767147
As long as it isn't being sold, it's 100% in the clear.
>The album is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial Share Alike license, in effect allowing anyone to use or rework the material for any non-profit purpose, as long as credit is provided and the resulting work is released under a similar license.[22][23] Reznor explained this move by saying "It's a stance we're taking that we feel is appropriate [...] with digital technology, and outdated copyright laws, and all the nonsense that's going on these days".[24]

Trying Quake Stuff Ultra with Doom 64 Textures(WIP).

Actually on the topic of music legality can we use stuff from Unreal Tournament 99?

I've seen some wads use their stuff.

>>4767160
How so? They're a lot easier to hit close up. I guess I just use fists more than other people.

>>4767170
If you don't profit on it.I guess we can.

>>4767160
>does not indicate i should melee them
in fact, it indicates the opposite
What, you don't want to get in a fist fight with a swarm of Hungry?

>>4767171
i've always found melee in doom to be incredibly finnicky with just the fist, its slow and range is short so it's hard to "lead shots" with it, if you get what i mean

if i had the chainsaw early on then i'd probably be more open to going at them in swarms, since it's much easier to hit with it

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/87871-wip-the-ids-rpg-series-coming-soon/
sometimes i wonder if this ever gets finished, there could be a "consolation prize" version where you could play doom mods in these game's maps

>>4767115
I'm "arguing" that maybe the player should consider the situation at hand instead of blindly rushing into things. If there are new monsters and very little supplies, the player should have a much sharper eye and attention span, and be very cautious; opting to see how the enemy functions. EVERYTHING in the map can be easily punched to death; there's nothing stronger than a cacodemon; with the arguable-exceptions of the Rocketless Revenant, Hell Rose, and Flesh Wizard.

Playing it agressively, run-and-gun, and so forth upon the map is entirely possible; but you shouldn't just run around wildly and then complain you don't know where to go; when it's been every single intention of the mapper to make this apparent; There is no other way I could see to make it clear on where to go aside from literally putting arrows and hud markers on everything; and in case of the barrel-switch-thing, I put a damned long red tentacle trail leading from the bars to the heart so it WOULD be clear-er.

Please don't automatically assume that every single doom map should be tackled the same way. The player gets his essential tools (chainsaw, berserk) very early on, and the health powerups aren't too difficult to get at.
The eggs don't hatch if you don't attack near them, and can easilly be picked off with a single shot if you're quick and/or accurate enough, depending if it's been triggered. I don't know what calls for this in it's script. I just pasted the monster off R667 and into the wad
>>4767151
This guy is the tl;dr version. Just because you don't know how to go about the map doesn't immediately make it shit. If the enemy doesn't have a projectile attack- and even if it does- the enemy should be predictable enough for you to Punch-Backpedal/Sidestep-Punch-Circlestrafe to death by paying attention to it's tells in the animation and hitting it when it's unable to hit you with the projectiles (monsters can't aim when the projectile is already about to fire)

>>4767176

The thought horrifies me.
You're a bastard, anon. :^)

>>4767170
I feel there's a gray area there, but I've not heard of any wads getting rejected by idgames for using UT music or other commercial games that use tracker format music. So long as it isn't for profit I suppose?

>>4767160
Dude, what? Maybe for you, but whenever I see
>tiny
>fast
I automatically assume:
>squishy
>vulnerable to punching

>>4767154
What about six hours, 2048x2048, and Boom format?
And with an included texture pack like CC-Tex4 or Gothic Texture Pack?

That'd give some focus, I think.

>>4767181
>The eggs don't hatch if you don't attack near them, and can easilly be picked off with a single shot if you're quick and/or accurate enough, depending if it's been triggered.
literally how is anyone supposed to know this

>>4767189
perhaps i'm unique because i have ptsd from the hands from blood
if you try to melee those bastards you're going to get choked to death

>>4767192
>literally how is anyone supposed to know this
By observing it when you walk past and haven't attacked in a radius. The "intended" method of killing the first slimeworm is holding onto -all- of your bullets obtained so far, running past it to the soulsphere-and-backpack, then picking it off from a distance so the eggs don't hatch; or by moving slowly and creeping up to poke the eggs from a distance or angle that doesn't trigger the egg.

If I absolutely must do this to show you that most of what's there is playable, then I will, again, make a recording and type some commentary. Jeez.

>>4767187
Hell on Earth Starter Pack/Extermination Day uses Quake 2-Quake 3 music but it was uploaded on Moddb.So I'm not too sure.

Btw speaking of sounds there is a Dungeon Keeper sound pack on idgames and it's from 2007 so it shouldn't be a problem.

>>4767181
>Just because you don't know how to go about the map doesn't immediately make it shit.

No, it doesn't.
But when it's a combination of constantly damaging floors, ammo starvation, darkness that keeps the player from seeing things easily, new enemies which means behaviors that aren't recognizable or notable, wide open areas with randomly-placed movement-blocking props, and not a clear indication of flow or progress, those don't blend together very well into a good map.

A couple of those together are fantastic for spicing up difficulty or making a tough and interesting encounter. All of them at once? No way, dude.
I'm an incredibly optimistic person when it comes to playing new things. I love digging into little bits and pieces and getting excited about mundane things that aren't pulled off very well.
This isn't me just playing a map that's different and not liking it. This is the map not being made well. The things that you think are indicators are not very clear.
You can blame the player for this, you can blame me for this, but at the end of the day I'm likely not going to be playing it again and I fully expect other players are probably going to have the same first impressions after playing it.

>>4767197
>The "intended" method of killing the first slimeworm is holding onto -all- of your bullets obtained so far, running past it to the soulsphere-and-backpack, then picking it off from a distance so the eggs don't hatch
i.e. something no sane player can reasonably be assumed to do on a first or even second run. Ok.

>door clearly marked exit
>about a 4th of the level's enemies still await me after opening it
this is not okay

Anyone know a sprite mod that holds closely to the original but isn't centered?
Or any good non-centered one

>>4767207
>This is the map not being made well
If most cacoward indicators are any sign, then maybe it shouldn't be "made well"

>>4767197
>By observing it when you walk past and haven't attacked in a radius.
This is not going to be something a player is going to notice. Ever. I can guarantee you.

>>4767209
>i.e. something no sane player can reasonably be assumed to do on a first or even second run. Ok.
Except you literally -have- to do this before the first pinky.

>>4767010
>there's like fifty of these anklebiters
>>4767018
>tiny barely-visible tunnel into the outside
In this case I feel like you're exaggerating for the hell of it.

Really though you can't see shit out here what the fuck
There's a chainsaw and a pistol in the lower half of this image but good luck freaking seeing them.
>>4767047
>Explore; The damned chainsaw and radsuit in the map is immidiately infront of the -only path- the player can go at the start
The chainsaw is hidden inside a tree, (which you'd avoid because there's a radsuit in there and you already have one) not "immidiately infront" of the player.

>touch berserk in stupidly dark cave full of red textures
>go blind
Cool, I guess.

>>4767218
no?

>>4766853
I feel like Doom 2016's f for melee worked perfectly.

>>4767219
The tree is immidiately infront of the only way out of the starting area and has holes. You can pick up the chainsaw without picking up the radsuit. You give me shit for not being able to script/code yet can't walk a couple of map units? It's not hard to see in the slightest. honestly.

All the same, here comes the airplane since it seems I have to spoonfeed some of you.

>>4767215
That's another issue entirely, and one more on you.

Man this looks fucking disgusting with tonemaps.

>>4766652
Just played, cool concept.
"a flesh realm beneath a bloody sky with gzdoom effects", yeah nice lets do this.

But man, remove the rad suit business. We can already imagine the player has some kind of protection but the rad suit just discourages exploration of something that we should explore. The world hostility comes from the monsters and terrain.

Also, unless I've got a flamethrower with ammo out the ass remove the ankle biters.

>>4767234
consider the following: if you have to spoonfeed people how to play your map, it's probably not as obvious as you think

>>4766853
I'm not a fan of context-sensitive inputs, and with something as commonly used as the [fire] button I imagine it becoming rather annoying
>melee attacks but they only stun
Right, so like e.g. left for dead's weapon butt ''shove''
Really don't see the appeal of not binding that to a new key honestly

>>4767014
Well people shouldn't put up their maps in super unfinished states if they cant handle criticism of their quality.

>>4767234
If a good chunk of people are having problems and need to be told how to progress, it's time to take a step back and rework things, and then playtest them a little more. It's not something you have to get defensive and respond like a smarmy asshole. It's just proper mapping.

>>4767238
Hejl Dawson?

>>4767181
>I'm "arguing" that maybe the player should consider the situation at hand instead of blindly rushing into things. If there are new monsters and very little supplies, the player should have a much sharper eye and attention span, and be very cautious; opting to see how the enemy functions.
>Playing it agressively, run-and-gun, and so forth upon the map is entirely possible; but you shouldn't just run around wildly and then complain you don't know where to go;
If you want the player to be cautious and slow, don't, I repeat, DO NOT, put them in a non-respawning radsuit timer gimmick, which is exactly what you did

>>4767169
>Doom 64 Textures(WIP)
is there a download for this?

>>4767234
>It's not hard to see in the slightest. honestly.

You look to the left and go down the path. You would never see the chainsaw and would completely run past it.
You look to the right and go down the path. You would never see the chainsaw and would completely run past it.
The only way the player would know there's a chainsaw there would be to go out of the way, off the path open to them that they're being nudged down, and into the area that looks like a gigantic blockade.
And this is, all the while, they're being pestered by enemies nibbling at their dick, so their concern is less "I wonder what's in that tree" and "I need to get out of here as quickly as possible".

This is bad.

>>4767253
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=56718

>>4767216
I noticed it, however when I attacked the egg a worm popped out anyway.

>>4767258
Yeah that's because he's full of it. http://www.hatebin.com/hjvmjilesm here's the worm, http://www.hatebin.com/jlyzedyipn here's the egg. 10HP is more than enough to survive a fist or pistol shot (45% chance and 33% chance respectively). Since it's not consistent you'd never know.

>>4767254
>Completely omits the option of "looking straight ahead and noticing the two holes"
>>4767264
>because he's full of it
Tell me that when the video is uploaded, friendo.

>>4767283
the two holes you can barely fucking see?

>>4766972
>>4767085
>>4767090
>>4767039
>>4767034
sounds interesting and the screens actually remind me of 90s style design when it came to some of the vanilla doom levels. Like interpreting what various levels of hell might look like. Though this is sorta lovecraftian.

Sounds to me like people arent getting the proper tactics that you're supposed to use here. Ive seen pistol starts maps with several Mancubes trying to gun the player down. You cant just start shooting at everything.
> mfw people wonder if you can put a limited ammo weapon in as a replacement for the pistol, like for example a Shotgun which uses shells even though you dont start with shells
> or zombie sergeats that only drop a working shotgun like 1/3 of the time
People forget there is a Fist.
Heck in Strange Aeons you get a super chainsaw as your starting item.

>>4767285
Maybe you can "barely see them" but you're once again exaggerating for the sake of argument.

>>4767234
I haven't played your wad, but when multiple people are coming at you with similar problems, it's not them that's wrong, it's you.

Your map seems straightforward to you because *you made it*. You know where every single thing in it is. You know exactly what you intended in every area of it. A person who plays your map a hundred times won't have the same knowledge you do.

Just looking at the screenshots, I'm gonna say this: There are colors other than red. Use them.

>>4767289
Finally somebody that gets it. Thank you for not causing me more stress.

>>4767293
he's saying the exact same thing other people are
>Sounds to me like people arent getting the proper tactics that you're supposed to use here.
only difference is that he said "sounds interesting" at the start so i guess that makes it a-okay

>>4767289

>>4767292
Sorry, but the theme and map pallet would call for nothing else but reds, flesh colors, and the odd lava/blood/slime.
It would destroy everything and legitimately make the map worse.

>>4767290
so what is the problem, then? the fact that i can't fucking see them? or you don't like how i phrased the wording?

what are you really looking for here?

>>4767215
THERMONUCLEAR BUTTHURT

>>4767298
>It would destroy everything and legitimately make the map worse.
That's a low bar.

>>4767294
No?
>everyone else: "RAAAGH ITS NOT EXACTLY THE SAME AS EVERY OTHER MAP ITS SHIT ITS BADLY DESIGNED EVEN THOUGH EVERY "GOOD" MAP IS A FUCKING CLUSTERFUCKED MAZE THAT LOOKS LIKE COMPLETE ASS BOTH ON THE MINIMAP AND NOT"

>Him: "well okay maybe i shouldn't just be blindly firing at everything and instead take my time because there's a lot of risks to be taken on the map and i need to know when and how to handle them, i'm not doing well, so it's very likely my fault and not the mappers, so i'll blame myself like a reasonable person and give him the benefit of a doubt."

>>4767293
>actually getting stressed out because people posted constructive criticism of your unfinished map
embarrassing

>>4767316
"constructive"
That's a laugh.

>>4767313
>everyone else: I don't get what you're supposed to do
>You: OPINION DISREGARDED ENJOY YOUR BAN HE'S JUST TRYING TO STIR SHIT UP
>Him: People don't get what you're supposed to do
>You: th-thanks man i am literally stressing out here

Try posting actual things people have said next time.

You can argue all you want about it, but it doesn't change the fact that the consensus seems to be that your map fails to deliver.

>>4767306
>Think that most cacowards aren't very well made
>This automatically makes me butthurt
wat

>>4767323
Except that's wrong and you know it.

>>4767328
Nah

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lmadjtduwvcy60i/2018-05-11%2020-06-43.flv?dl=0

Here's your spoonfeeding that tells you about the map. Don't presume this is a legitimate run; only a guide.

>>4767127
>>4767117
>>4767141
>>4767190
>>4767126
We dont need another 1024
However, what about this... 1536 except no single area can be larger than 1024
We could call this
> 1024 Extended
meaning that the main action takes place like such, but it can have areas outside that which the player has to go into or can be led into for secrets.
I just dont want to call it 1536 because thats been tried and it doesnt sound good, and it didnt turn out too well either.

Also I would prefer G/Zdoom with 3d floors and features (no custom Decorate though, its a map pack not a mod).
Jumping and Mouselook (no autoaim) should be assumed.

Trying to keep this stuff working for older ports and vanilla is just a giant weight around its neck, we should start cranking out more modernized stuff.

>>4767324
>>4767297
Nope its just they're failing their IQ tests. There are some popular map packs that feature map areas where you are literally expected to take advantage of infighting just to survive.
> kinda pissed me off when KDiZD not only turned off infighting it also turned off monster damage, even zombies could shoot each other and not feel it

>>4767369
that's good and all but this is not one of them

>>4767369
I'm confident that if you were to post your map anywhere outside of /doom/ you'd still be met with negative reviews and criticism.

Also the difference between your map and other maps that take advantage of such things is they do it well.

>>4767371
> map15 claustrophobia 2
> spirited away
yeah there's an arch right in front of you, but you'll be dead doormeat if you attack because its an ambush
...here just let me quietly slip down the hall, grab a shotgun, have a pinky chase me down to the other end of the hall without hurting it...
> open door, let it in, close the door
> grab armor and blow away the other pinkies that teleport in
Archviles didnt activate, the starting one even disappeared.

That takes tactics and thinking, not just opening fire.

>>4767378
>yeah there's an arch right in front of you
and that's the blatant difference
if you pistol start, oh, there's an archvile and all i have is a pistol

i am clearly not meant to shoot it because i will die

why are korax and eidelon called serpent riders if they don't ride serpents?

>>4766863
Hamperman will save the day!

>>4767383
Why is Gaim a Kamen Rider if he doesn't ride Kamens?

>>4767391
who?

>>4767383
D'Sparil wanted to come up with something that sounded cool for the group and the others didn't have the heart to hurt their youngest brother's feelings by objecting.

>>4765952
>>4766926
>>4766937
>>4766939
C. Kid is my waifu (male).

>>4766947
I can almost hear him screaming
HUUUUUUUUUUUHH!

>>4767396
how did you know he was mine too

>>4767393
This guy

>>4766946
Samsara Monster Mixer or something like that.

>>4767405
looks like a mismatched power ranger.

>>4767409
How DARE you insinuate that my preferred Japanese children's show is like the american ripoff of a different Japanese children's show!

>>4767405
term go back to your stream i wanna see dev chop chop

>>4767375
That's not my post though. They didn't make this map, I did.

>>4767381
No difference though.

>>4767419
yes

there

is

>>4767426
no

there

isnt

>>4767368
Watched it. Aside from the random passive-aggressive chat messages slowing everything right the hell down, your video actually illustrates many issues with the map's gameplay and flow.
>need to be overly cautious to the point of barely advancing
>health only balanced if you follow a specific route (you'd have been fucked without that megasphere and there's no reason to go over there if you don't know it's there)
>not nearly enough ammo
>not enough radsuits
also
>if you're not using one of the brighter lighting modes the map is too dark to play
>the version you showed is edited, and seemingly has less enemies in the outdoors portion, as well as new enemies (naked revenants)
>you didn't show the part where like 50 worms ambush you when you get the chaingun

>>4767431
>you'd have been fucked without that megasphere and there's no reason to go over there if you don't know it's there)
No, I wouldn't of been.
>need to be overly cautious to the point of barely advancing
False, most of this was displaying.
>not nearly enough ammo
more like "way too much ammo"
>not enough radsuits
known; even stated in the video
>if you're not using one of the brighter lighting modes the map is too dark to play
No comment. It's remaining.
>>the version you showed is edited, and seemingly has less enemies in the outdoors portion, as well as new enemies (naked revenants)
has same number of enemies barring the revenants.
>>you didn't show the part where like 50 worms ambush you when you get the chaingun
And you said you watched it.

>>4767436
Give me the time signature where you grab the chaingun. Also please note that I saved the video.

>>4767406
I enjoyed modifying that shit to add some missing Quake enemies from some other mod.

Shame I can't release it since I never asked permission. Don't want to be a thieving dickhead.

>>4767436
>>4767440
Oh wait, I see, there's more that dropbox doesn't show. I'll watch the rest then.

>>4767440
18:48/18:49, specifically where I freeze the map to talk about the aforementioned ambush not being properly set up yet.

>>4767441
Doesn't mean you can't release it here, anon.

>Told the map needs less red
>They add more red to spite people
absolute madmen

>>4767445
>>4767446
From 15:00 onwards
>sweet jesus the passive aggression
>have to shoot heart unless you change the sector heights
>not enough ammo to kill all worms, even if you haven't fired a single shot
>can't spell denizens
The fact that you have the gall to complain when people point out glaring flaws in your map that you yourself admit is unfinished is ridiculous. If you legitimately want this to be a melee-focused map until the chaingun just define a custom playerpawn and strip the pistol from the player on spawn, then build around melee only so that people don't play it "wrong". You should also set your damned lighting mode to "Dark" or "Software" so you don't end up screwing over players with your sector brightness, considering you seem to have it set on one of the very high settings.

>>4767459
I ain't no SergeantMark.

>>4767467
>Complaining that you can't see when you're using Negative-ZDaemon Lighting
What did you even expect?

>>4767467
>>have to shoot heart unless you change the sector heights
This isn't a flaw? This is intentional? You're -supposed- to shoot the heart to proceed through the map. I've said this several times.

>>4767476
>>4767478
>Can't take criticism
>Excuses literal map-breaking feature

>>4767476
That's no excuse. People will play it with different visual settings, it needs to be playable with them.
>>4767478
The player could be out of ammo at that point, causing a total halt in map progress.

>>4767484
You're right. It's not an excuse, which is why it's staying.
>>4767484
That's fair. Punching or chainsaw what's effectively a reskinned explosive barrel is death.

>>4767495
>it's staying
Have fun with all the complaints then.

>>4767478
>>4767467
> not wanting to shoot the switch to progress further into the level
disgusting

>>4767506
To be fair, it's not even a shootable switch in this instance. It's an explosive barrel reskin that 00zombie00 said could be used.
I share your fustration with shoot-switches though; as there's not usually a good way to depict that you have to shoot them.

>>4767504
That's fine. I don't like most "well received" doom maps anyway.

>>4767513
I dont know about you but I can punch barrels without dying. I just take damage thats all. You gotta know the exact moment to run back. If you have berserk you can do it without even being damaged.

>>4767187
Wait, UT's music is tracker music?

Never knew that, wondered why it sounded so modern yet so retro.

>>4767519
Oh, I can do the same, but I can never pinpoint the proper moment to do so.

I might just have a button nearby that telefrags the heart

>>4767476
>>4767478

Lightning is way too dark
Map starts out small and then opens up to way too open areas with branches that are even more open and dragged out in the way that they come out as out-of-map zones where crucial items are placed where secrets if anything should be placed at.

The whole "punch them" is stupid, you should know it but you don't hence why you keep defending your single-minded way of playing it.
The enemy to ammo ratio is almost in the TAS speed run range where people run past everything and hit the EXIT while killing 1-5% of the enemies. So having objects like the heart that you have to shoot is the last thing a person would shoot at since they have to conserve their ammo so much that they even have to reused un-burnt powder from the shells.

A good map let the player know the way based on the layout without having to tell them.
Yours plays like an open world map with no side quests, just scarcely placed items here and there.
It's like you balanced it to make it bearable with one HP left after doing the one and only route as if it where a 2.5D version of "I wanna be the Guy".

You are to stubborn and shut in your own ego to take criticism, AKA you're acting like a toddler.

0.5/10

if spurdo sparde were an enemy it'd be these guys

>>4767524
>Says I'm being a toddler but almost immediately starts insulting me
this is why I never "Take any criticism to heart"

>>4767530
>That staff looks like a benis
>Haha ebin :DDDD
Holy fuck now I want a double headed Spurdo Ettin

>>4767532
You've had your non-insulting criticism nonstop, your map is an insult in itself, stop making it and you won't be insulted.