/vr/ - Retro Games

No, it's a fun game

>>4767796
Everyone should know that Egoraptor is a literal Nintendork who hasn't grown out of the consolewar mentality at all.

>>4767842
Except he also loves playstation shit, and has shitted on Nintendo games baselessly (OOT).
He's just a cuck who thinks he has worthy opinions about game design when in fact the reason he hates certain games is because he's shit at them.
Also, he has a hateboner for Sonic mostly because of the fanbase and wants to make them rage.

It's fine. Nobody would raise such a huge stink about this game if it wasn't Sonic.

>>4767796
>Does Sonic Adventure deserve the hate it gets?

How would they know? Reminder that if you have only played SD:DX you have never actually played Sonic Adventure

Personally I think Sonic Adventure is one giant untested bug sold as a game in disguise but that's Sega for you when it comes to every 3D Sonic, but I don't hate it.

Also
>Egoraptor
I don't get how sometimes he really nails game design (Megaman and Megaman X) and how other times he just LOVES TALKING baseless shit just because he thinks he's too smart by using elaborate words.
Never use him as a standard for anything.
I could use elaborate words and also seem like a so-called game design expert.

>>4767863
>he didn't play the DC version

>>4767863

He was never, ever even close to be considered "smart" about anything.

>>4767863
that's because megaman and megaman x are quite literally so simplistic and perfect even he couldn't mess them up.
The patterns, the goals, the movement. Everything is nearly 100%.
Both were the best games of their respected consoles easily and objectively.
It's hard to fuck that up when talking about it.

Sonic Adventure for the Dreamcast is a good game.

It's a good albeit imperfect game, better on the Dreamcast, e-celebs play the bad ports and parrot each other, yadda yadda. We know this. We have this thread every day.

>>4767796
It’s INCREDIBLY mediocre and most of the game is pretty ugly both technically (now days at least) and artistically despite it’s graphics being a major selling point when it was launched, and it was hyped to no end as the return of a proper Sonic game after a pointless generation long absence. Pretty much a D+ ~ C- game that ended up being compared to both past Sonic games and much more successful 3D transitions other series enjoyed.
>>4767846
>shitted
*shat

>>4767796
no, the hate it gets is from people who only played the ports and have control issues. the camera can be annoying and it's 30fps but it's great

It was an ok game, not great, not awful, quite buggy. I liked it on the dreamcast better, but now I don't have one.

i played the XBLA version and it was pretty fun

I've only played the Dreamcast version. What's so different/bad about the GameCube one?

>>4767796
If anything it deserves more.
Along with Sonic CD, it tends to get off easy online.

>>4767796
Considering my sonic adventure 2 doesn't work on my computer adventure 1 will do.

It already has more sonic levels so I like it more

>>4767796
Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 were the only 3D Sonic games to preserve the fun of the 2D era.
Levels were fast-paced, yet they encouraged exploration, enemies designs were actually varied, not the same exact robot soldiers used from Sonic Heroes and onward.
Modern Sonic games have no soul, every level is a racetrack with only the occasional red ring to collect, and all enemies look the same, only recolored.
Sonic Team is ironically the worst thing for Sonic right now, they should be put to work on something new, because apparently they don't give a fuck anymore.
SA1 and 2 are buggy messes with weird additions some don't agree with, like fishing or chao gardens, but they feel right to me, I feel like I'm playing a Sonic game.

Yes. Sonic Adventure is an embarrassing disaster of a game. It's genuinely one of the worst first party games I've ever played.

t. Massive cock-gobbling Sega fanboy and avid Dreamcast collector.

>>4767846
>loves playstation shit,
>shitted on Nintendo games baselessly (OOT).
>He's just a cuck
>he hates certain games is because he's shit at them.
>Also, he has a hateboner for Sonic mostly because of the fanbase and wants to make them rage.
Oh boy, the envy

>>4768475
Those qualities are typical of e-celebs, though

>>4768475
t. egoraptor

>>4768475

Is the last part deniable somehow? Game Grumps keep fucking playing Sonic games despite the fact neither of them like the series, what other possible explanation do you have?

>>4767796
Because Nintendo fanboys are just like Marvel fanboys. Always shitting on something because it comes from a brand they don't like. They haven't grown out of their fanboy phase. Luckily for me, I grew up with multiple game consoles in my possession and have grown to appreciate games on all platforms, just like I appreciate comics from any brand. Sonic Adventure is a great game, I think it's even better than Sonic Adventure 2.

>>4767863
You've obviously never played the Dreamcast version. It plays smoothly. There was no bugs.

>>4768572
>the only ones that hate Sonic are nintendo fanboys
If anything, Nintendo fans are the ones least-likely to hate Sonic since Sonic has more games on Nintendo systems than any other system at this point in time if you count all the compilations, the GBA/DS games, and of course the Adventure ports on Gamecube.
A lot of people just hate Sonic because it's cool to shit on him since Sonic 2006 was released.

>>4768468
t.Nintencuck fanboy who never actually played Sonic Adventure and is upset that he never got to play the HD release on his Wii U.

>>4768581
That sounds like something a Nintendo fanboy would say. Nice try.

>>4767796

I remember the first time i played this. I was in love with the action levels, and appalled with the adventure levels at the same time.

Nothing has changed since back then.

>>4767842
Neither has /vr/.

>>4768584
I grew up a Segatendo idort as a kid.
I'm just telling you that if you ONLY focus on nintendo fanboys, then you won't see the whole picture.
Sure, some old Nintendo fanboys, the ones who grew up in the actual retro days, might be dicks to Sonic, but kids who grew up with modern non-retro Nintendo have no reason to hate Sonic, and actually might be fans of him.
If you only target nintendo fans, then you will be ridiculed by other people that hate Sonic and might not be nintendo fans.

>>4768594
The majority of hate for Sonic comes from Nintendo fanboys themselves. AVGN, Pat the NES Punk & boyfriend Ian, and many other Nintendo fanboys on youtube always bash on Sonic. Sega fanboys use to do the exact same thing, bashing Super Mario, talking about how overweight he is and how he has a pedo mustache or that he's a fat plumber who gets cucked since Kooper had kids with the princess. Both sides always bash the mascot of the company that they represent.

>>4768609
Hmm, maybe, although I remember AVGN saying he actually likes Sonic, and that he bought a Genesis back in the day because of Sonic.
But still, you're only focusing on a small fraction of people who shit on Sonic. I can guarantee most people who shit on Sonic nowadays are younger folk that just hate on it because of Sonic 2006, that includes Sony fans, Xbox fans, PC players, etc.
The 90s are over, they were over a long time ago anon.

>>4768615
Do you know where you are? This is /vr/, solely based on retro games. Also Sonic 2006 was 12 years ago, if anything people have forgotten about that awful game by now and it has nothing to do with Sonic Adventure.

>>4768638
/vr/ has a lot of younger people though, lots of young people got into retro.
Anyway, my point is that you're focusing on a supposed Nintendo boogeymen, when in reality a lot of the kids who shit on Sonic because of the memes might actually not be either Nintendo or Sega fans, but kids who grew up watching let's plays of Minecraft.
And no, Sonic 2006 wasn't forgotten, it's still listen in "worst games of all time" lists.

>>4768651
>And no, Sonic 2006 wasn't forgotten, it's still listen in "worst games of all time" lists.
Neither were the console wars, since Sega vs Nintendo videos still gets views on youtube. So yes there is still Nintendo fanboys who hate on Sonic just as much as Sega fanboys who hate on Mario because of console wars.

>>4768664
Okay guy, you just WANT to be convinced that the only people that hate on Sonic are your nintendo boogeymen. Do as you please. Don't tell me I didn't warn you when sony fans and xbox fans make fun of you.

>>4768673
Sony and Xbox fans are mixed with Sega and Nintendo fans, dumbass.

>>4768681
OK.

>>4768609
>who gets cucked since Kooper had kids with the princess.
All these years of people calling Mario a cuck, then Sega and Nintendo go and do pic related.
The madmen.

>>4768575
Patently false and I like the game. I still have my 9/9/99 launch copy of Sonic Adventure and there's plenty of levels where you'll end up falling through walls/floors among other things.

It's my favorite Sonic game and the last one I ever played. Also the best music from the game isn't even a Sonic song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQsxclTIHz8

BTW Sonic Adventure soundtrack is amazing as a whole.

>>4767897
>>4768575
>>4768268
>You've obviously never played the Dreamcast version. It plays smoothly. There was no bugs.

Why do people say this?

>>4769216
Because it's true. Nintendo fanboys want any excuse to bash a good Sonic game.

Play it on Dreamcast, Amy and Big suck, game is good otherwise. Way better than Adventure 2.

>>4769258
Patently false and I like the game. I still have my 9/9/99 launch copy of Sonic Adventure and there's plenty of levels where you'll end up falling through walls/floors among other things.

>>4769216
>>4769635
It has no more bugs than other games of the time.

>>4767796
It‘s good by Sonic standards when you’re just playing as Sonic and Tails, but the other characters make the gameplay clutered and unfocused. The rest of the complaints like the glitches and storytelling can apply to any other 20 year old video game.

>>4769427
>He didn't like the Amy levels

>>4769427
More like... Amy does big suck, ya get it?
That's just a fun little joke for our furry friends. We like to have a little fun here once in a while.

>>4767796
Can't speak for the ports, but the DC version is fun, if noticeably aged. The English VAs are painfully bad, though.

>>4769771
English dubs are garbage in general since video game localizations are done on tiny budgets that need to cover a bunch of shit beyond paying the VAs.

>>4767796
The game is over for me when knuckles appears

>>4769216

It has LESS bugs, it's not some 10/10 marvel of QA but it's not a glitchy game. I don't know why /vr/ always goes to extremes either.

>>4769781
I also don't know why everyone is saying the Dreamcast version is the best. The GameCube version runs at 60fps and has added content.

>>4770125
>not playing sonic on the SEGA machine

>>4770140
The Dreamcast and GameCube are equals as far as I'm concerned. I love both for their bright, colorful games.

A broken fucking mess

>>4767796
The 3 or 4 sonic stages were really cool.

>>4770125
>>4770140
>>4770142
>I also don't know why everyone is saying the Dreamcast version is the best.

https://dreamcastify.unreliable.network/index.php/mystic-ruins-downgrades/

>>4770180
Interesting. I'd still rather play DX for the locked 60fps though.

>>4770125

You lost me there, you're out of your fucking mind if you can't see the difference. DX is a garish nightmare to look at.

>>4767796
It deserves worse.

>>4770184
It's only locked on PC, GameCube version has some drops. 60 FPS also fucks the game in some ways. https://dreamcastify.unreliable.network/index.php/issues-with-sadx-enhancements/

The differences between versions are minimal.
If you like the game, you will like either version in the end. If you don't like the game, no amount of "this version has less glitches!" will make you like it.

I loved it then, I love it now.
I have the JP original release and at least once a year I sit back, crack open a cold one, fire up the DC and play through Sonic, Big and Gammas story. Its so comfy.

>>4767796
it's a broken mess, end of conversation

doesn't mean it's not fun, but I personally haven't played a sonic game I genuinely enjoyed

>>4770789
There's an entire website dedicated to listing all the issues with DX in good detail. Worse textures, worse lighting, more glitches, you name it. It's pretty sad, honestly. DX has improved framerate and resolution, but even the framerate breaks the game in some ways. It's odd how carelessly it was done and and each time the game got ported it only got worse.

https://dreamcastify.unreliable.network

DX is still very playable, just very inferior compared to the Dreamcast version and BetterSADX.

>>4770834
Yeah I mean, even with all these, someone who didn't like the game as a whole won't suddenly start liking it because of different textures or lighting or other performance stuff, it's the game design as a whole that they dislike.

It really doesn't, hating it is just a retarded meme now. It has issues but a lot of it has been over exaggerated by e-celebs who don't know shit, just play the damn game already, no matter what version. I know DX has issues, but the gameplay is still fun, outside of the fucking big levels.

>>4767796
The original doesn't but the DX version does.

One game is an overly ambitious launch title from 1998/1999 with obvious flaws but for it's time it was a pretty good game. The other is a 2003 cash grab that does nothing to fix the flaws and instead splurges on bad plastic surgery to give the illusion that it's an improved game without actually improving anything, in fact it's actually worse and your better off playing the original. Why Sega insists on constantly re-releasing the plastic surgery infested "remaster" is beyond me. My theory is they lost the original code for Sonic Adventure and the DX port is the only surviving version of Adventure they have. Wouldn't surprise me considering the same happened with the Saturn version of Panzer Dragoon so they had to use the PC version for Orta.

>>4770847

This is true, but when we have these threads three times a week the people that don't like it almost always list the same reasons for doing so - bad graphics, gameplay glitches, terrible camera control, shit that the DX VERSION introduced. That's why it continually comes up, a lack of awareness of what aspects come from which.

>>4767796
almost
Big chunks of the game suck.

but still, there's also a lot of pretty good shit in there
It's too much of a mixed bag to call it a "good" game overall.

>>4769656
that's just flat out wrong

>>4770125
because they broke a fuckton of other shit

I love Sonic Adventure, it is the sequel I don't like as much because it doesn't feel like an "ADVENTURE". It just turned back into just stages.And they should left Shadow dead like the end of the game.

>>4767796
3D sonic suffers from everything that is wrong modern gaming: constant autopilot segments that take control away from the player, a focus on style over substance, hallway levels with zero freedom, speed that isn't earned, a low skill ceiling, etc… It's style over substance. 3D sonic doesn't have to suck (Utopia proved that), but so far it's been a shallow gotta-go-fast simulator while 2D sonic is a momentum-based platformer with pinball physics.

Mario 64 is not Classic Mario in 3D, it's a collectathon spin-off that overtook the main series similar to how Persona overtook SMT. Mario 3D World on the other hand, is classic mario in 3D. Similarly, boost and adventure are not Classic Sonic translated into 3D, they're gotta-go-fast simulators with a sonic skin. It's just something totally different. There needs to be a Mario 3D World for sonic. A 3D game that that plays like the 2D games simply with an added dimension. A game with pinball physics and momentum. A game with actual platforming instead of homing attack spam and boost.

Crash Bandicoot is another good example: what made crash special was being the only 5th gen 3D Platformer designed like a 2D platformer, and was hardcore to boot. Imagine a Sonic game that played like a mix of crash and 3D world with momentum based pinball physics.

>>4768437
Sonic was never about speed, he was about pinball physics. Therefore Boost and adventure are not Sonic in 3D, they're gotta-go-fast simulators with a sonic skin, similar to how Mario 64 is not Classic Mario in 3D, it's a collectathon. Mario 3D World is classic mario in 3D. There needs to be a Mario 3D World for sonic. A 3D game that that plays like the 2D games simply with an added dimension. A game with pinball physics and momentum. A game with actual platforming instead of homing attack spam and boost.

>>4768609
Bullshit.
It comes with the whole package: If your character is an annoying meme lord, most the games are bad, and the fanbase is very loud and has some pockets of extreme weirdos (which you know very well on the internet), the result is Modern Sonic being one giant joke. This isn't some controversial opinion. NuSonic is hated. Yet when mania dropped it was nothing but love. It's socially acceptable to like the classics but liking NuSonic will label you a weirdo.

>>4769004
No. The cringe pop rock shit is fucking autism-tier.

>>4772440
Compare Shadow to Metal; Shadow is a cringey gun carrying edgelord who swears for no reason, has a human girlfriend who is murdered by the government, and he dies via firing squad. Metal meanwhile is just a cool robot.

Mighty and ray look better than the NuSonic extras because their designs are minimalist while the modern extras overuse accessories and clothes.

Sonic Adventure is ugly as fuck.

>>4769258
I like Sonic more than mario, but only classic sonic.

>>4772176
I've only played the Dreamcast version. It was the reason I bought one back in the day.

>>4767842
pretty much this. he basically DSP if nobody ever called him out on his BS.

>>4767796
It was ok back when I got it, and the graphics were pretty.
Some people didn't like it but overall it was well receveid.
By the time the sequel was out things started getting fishy, and heroes aggravated everything.
So blame heroes.

>>4774039
Shadow didn't wield guns in Sonic Adventure 2 though

>>4774043
>what could have been

>>4774253

I think we can all agree Heroes fucking blows. It's funny though, the point >>4774041 makes in regards to the classic series' visual appeal is somewhat void when you look at Heroes - its design is classic Sonic all the way. It didn't WORK, but they gave it a try in 3D at least the one time.

>>4774047
I unironically hate Shadows back story and it makes me want to throw up.

I dont blame Sega too hard for doubling down on the Tude' thinking it would appease both their aging audience and newcomers alike but honestly its super alienating.

When I hear fictional characters spout inane catchphrases without any compelling gameplay to back it up it makes me want to go do house chores.

>>4774520
Regarding Heroes, from what I've heard it wasn't originally supposed to come out for the PS2, but Sony pressured Sonic Team into porting it which forced them to change the game's engine to RenderWare as whatever they were using at the time didn't run properly on the PS2.

>>4768609
I'm pretty sure AVGN actually likes Sonic. He's made a video playing Sonic 2. I doubt he played anything past Sonic 06 however.

>>4768549
They're desperately trying to recreate the success they had with Sonic '06, but the games aren't the problem. It's sjw-era egoraptor and the other guy

>>4774520
>its design is classic Sonic all the way.

Except it doesn't look or play like the classic games at all. Exception being Seaside hill which at least had the classic looks.

9/9/99 was only 18 years, 8 months, 6 days ago, youngfag. Get out and don't even THINK about discussing it here until it's officially retro.

>>>/v/

>>4767796
Look, almost none of us who talk shit on SA think that it's truly abhorrent. It's like a C+ game with some broken things about it that's ultimately playable. At times, it's even engaging (mostly Sonic/Tails's stages). But when there's so many other great platform games out there, let alone great games in any other genre (retro or no), it's not as easy to forgive SA's sloppy shit. That's all.

>>4774570
>Sonic 2
Doesn't count. He still hates Sonic.

>>4774847
dreamcast came out in 1998

>>4775070
>"Everyone's always asking me to review the 'bad Sonic games.' What bad Sonic games? The Sonic the Hedgehog games were awesome!"
>goes on to allow for the fact that some of the knock-off ones on Game Gear and shit might be sucky

>>4774035
False. Nintendo fanboys hate Sonic period. If people hated "nusonic" so much, then why are fans begging for Sonic Adventure 3? It's simple, the style of Sonic Adventure games were way more fun than any other Sonic game. So this "nuSonic" vs "classic sonic" argument is horse shit.

>>4775079
Show me the video where he claims that.

>>4775084
https://youtu.be/ONYyFiKjJ20?t=522

>>4775074
Nigger, I bought it on 9/9/99 just like everyone else that matters. japan doesn't count, and hasn't since the 80s.

>>4767796
The only thing on earth that deserves the hate it gets is passing a kidney stone.

>>4775081
No, I'm with him. Sonic Adventure was okay, and it only got worse. Sonic in 3D has been nothing but mediocre at best, and horrendous at worst.

>>4774546
Every nerdy kid I knew thought Shadow was the best thing since sliced bread. It's old fucks who can't admit to themselves that they're too old to care this much about Sonic who whine about how "cringey" he is.
Yeah Shadow is dumb. He's a character effectively designed to appear cool to young boys. He wasn't made for 40 year olds.

>>4774047
>rogue

>>4775097
Fuck yer 9/9/99. First console I bought with my own money. Pre-ordered at Toys R Us

>>4775535
That's your opinion. Sonic Adventure was the best example of how to present Sonic in a 3D setting. I would love more Sonic games with that style of game play.

>>4775658
sure, they did well with that, however, it's a damn shame that actual game is a total pile of horse shit.

>>4775552
> today in /vr/:
> 90s/00s babies upset that nobody likes their shit-tier tastes in gaming
> waaaaa

>>4775696
Sonic Adventure isn't a pile of horse shit. Games like Sonic 06 and Sonic 3D Blast were a pile of horse shit.

>>4775724
they were shit. no doubt. but i thought adventures was shit too.

>>4767796
Most people who hate Sonic Adventure never wanted to like it in the first place. As far as I'm concerned, Sonic is like black licorice and 3D Sonic is like Good n' Plenty, not everyone likes black licorice and not everyone who likes black licorice likes Good n' Plenty, but if Good n' Plenty is bad, then why is it still around after all these years? Oh yeah, because I fucking love Good n' Plenty. I will eat that shit until my jaw aches. I don't even care that it tastes weird and is made out of bugs.

>>4774039
Totally disagree. Shadow is consistently considered one of the series most popular characters while Ray and Mighty are the "literally who?"'s of the Sonic universe precisely because they have no identifying features or facts of interest. The most you can say for them is that Mighty was in two games no one has ever played and Ray is not Tails. Shadow meanwhile has consistently added jRPG-style ambiguous narrative in every game he has been in, which it turns out is something that a lot of people actually find engaging in a way that brightly colored, personality-free, cartoon characters who don't offend my nostalgia are not.

>>4767796
I use to like SA2 better but afyer replaying both again I prefer SA1.

SA's sonic stages are so much fun because of all the old school cohesive randomness they had and how they give you a lot of different options on how to proceed or explore. The game also makes use of its mechanics well. There's the beginning of speed highway where in stead of running down the paths, you can jump on the floating platforms, jump to the right building, and go up it's side and find a capsule. There's also spindash jumping across the pits in red mountain or spindashing up the walls and over to the path that leads to the animal capsule in lost world.

The characters work well except for big and amy. Tails plays like you'd expect and his levels actually have agency due to them being races with sonic and eggman. Knuckles radar detects multiple emerald pieces at the same time and the areas are smaller then in SA2. 0102r's top speed and acceleration are fast and his levels are short and allow you enouth room to keep moving. Bigs gameplay is tedious and out of place even when you know how he plays and what to do and his slow speed and acceleration don't help. Amy has the same speed problems but would be fine if she was simply faster.

Also, the hubs make you feel like your in an actual world and are generally fun to explore. While the ones in SA2 are only selectable via level select. The completing mission and trial objectives are also more forgiving then A ranking in SA2.

Aside from big, amy, the casino and some lacking boss fights SA1 is very good in my eyes.
I'm trying to get the final 5 chao emblems. Does anyone have some tips for the stat requirements?

Why do people act like Sonic Adventure is on par with the classics? There's barely any opportunities to make use of physics to take shortcuts and every level is a linear path broken up by tech demo setpieces like the orca whale in Emerald Coast and the part where you run down a skyscraper in Speed Highway. It's decent but it doesn't have the replayability or mechanical complexity that made the classic games great.

And that's just the Sonic stages. Every other character is just various shades of tedium with mechanics that clearly weren't fully fleshed out. It's like they made the Sonic gameplay first, then felt obligated to make the game longer and added a bunch of minigames dressed up like different campaigns, which you're forced to play in order to fight the final boss. Not to mention what happened to special stages and having to actually find the emeralds? It just feels so thoroughly unfinished, like Sonic Team had a fire under their ass to rush out a 3D Sonic game that looked good in demos to make the Dreamcast sell.

>>4777881
If you visit the chao garden between each level and only raise a single chao, it'll get the stats it needs to win those emblems. The requirements aren't super high.

SA2's chao emblems are bullshit, though.

>>4767862
How? It's the same game but with improved graphics, higher frame rate, and extra content.

>>4778567
Have you even read the thread?

>>4775084
>>4775087
BTFO

The limited edition is at my local mall for $30 without the manual. Should I get it?

>>4767796
I remember playing it on launch day. Was terrible and is terrible.

>>4778576
>BTFO
Incel detected

>>4778585
Yes. You might be able to buy the manual for cheap on ebay.

>>4779118
>Incel
You need to redye your hair, the blue is starting to wash out

>>4767796
Of couse, it's the game they started calling Robotnik as Eggman.

>>4768437
I gotta agree with you. Sonic Heroes was probably the last Sonic game I enjoyed until Mania came out and I tried so fucking hard to like Sonic. I got Shadow, I got 06, I got the Secret fucking Rings. Then I had hope again when 4 was announced but Jesus Christ it's like they were trying the make the games as shit as possible. I heard Colors was good but I just couldn't bring myself to buy another Sonic game at that point.

>>4770804
the one other guy who liked playing as Big..

>>4777979
Love of the dreamcast? I don't see it as undeserving really, even if Sonic Adventure wasn't quite what it could have been it still did a reasonably good job of demonstrating what Sega's new awesome system was capable of, I know I have a lot of affection for the game but it's just that, affection based on my memories of finally upgrading from my Genesis (my parents thought limiting me to outdated shit would make me work harder in school or something hah, fuckin showed them). I actually haven't replayed it cause I know how shallow the game itself is and obviously the graphics are a little past the time where they're technically impressive so I'd rather just leave it alone.

Anyone who listens to game reviews is an imbecile.