/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4760758
meme.
Icewind Dale 2 is vastly superior

>>4760758
>is WRPG actually a good game?

>>4760758
Really depends on what mindset you go with because it's so text heavy and slowly paced. You have to be really into it in order not to mind the glacial pace with all the lore dumps and overwrought descriptions of body language.

I loved it when I played for the first time around 10 years ago. It corrupted my save right before I could reach the final location though. Bought the enhanced edition on Steam recently and tried to give it another go, and... I feel like I don't have the attention span to enjoy it anymore. With the modern day's overabundance of video games, movies, TV shows, books, manga, anime etc I just can't rationalize spending dozens of hours reading some faggot's purple prose.

>>4760758
There's no real things anymore, just memes. You are a meme, I'm a meme.

>>4760758
If you enjoy reading. yeah its a pretty good meme. It starts off confusing as fuck, but once you get the gist of the world it gets better.
Not much there outside of reading. Combat is ass compared to other CRPGs, but its tolerable.

IIRC Wisdom is probably the most important stat in the game, since I'm pretty sure it unlocks most of the interesting dialogue options.

>>4761284
Same. I loved the game, but fuck replaying it.

>>4761345
>IIRC Wisdom is probably the most important stat in the game, since I'm pretty sure it unlocks most of the interesting dialogue options.

Intelligence actually. See the pie charts here:
https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/64381/dialogs-stats-checks-analysis

>>4761280
This.
The game is trash.

>>4761284
you absolutely have the time and capability to read things when they're actually good and relevant to 2018

The writing is above the norm.
The combat is utter tripe.

>>4760758
It's a great book.

>>4760758
It's a fine enough game but it has been memed over time. Nobody experiences it 'naturally' anymore. They go into it with all this baggage about how great and important it is. In its time, people bought it and played it without any of that. The press of its day certainly didn't go around making special categories for it or dubbing it 'nature of a man' or anything like that.

If my memory is correct, Sanitarium got something far closer to that treatment in it's own time, although it was far milder. Torment is a fine game, certainly about as good as you could get from a setting so high concept as Planescape.

So is this the western version of visual novels?

>>4760758
It's a good book.

They start you off in a giant shitty maze that I fumbled around in for an hour. Found an NPC, spent 20 minutes exhausting his dialogue, decided that the game isn't for me.
WRPGs in general are shit, though.

>anything that has RPG as a genre descriptor
LOL

>>4763037
Most aren't, but I can understand that perspective. They often leave you to develop your own character/find your own way rather than the handholding/constricted style of gameplay most JRPGs have, which I imagine can be rather off putting for some people.

>>4763067
Not that anon, but I do enjoy WRPGs when they have clearly defined objectives.

I also don't enjoy when JRPGs give criptic messages so you need to buy the walkthrough to progress.

>>4760758
It's a great game, but don't expect the combat to be the best ever.

Baldurs gate EE is 3 bucks on Google app store. Should I get it? Or are touch controls crap

It's worth a play but don't expect to have your mind blown. I just played through it for the first time last month after hearing great things about it for years. Coming from consoles, old PC ARPG combat is not a pleasant experience, but thankfully this game is rather light on combat and very, VERY heavy on exposition. PT has a 10:1 reading to fighting ratio. The story isn't all that special, but the dialogue is what makes this game great. It's worth a play but don't expect to have your mind blown.

>>4763320
don't expect to have your mind blown
don't expect to have your mind blown
don't expect to have your mind blown

>>4760758
Great if you don't mind the shit combat, awful if all you care about is combat or have extremely low tolerance for bad combat.

The problem is that combat gets in the way of the good parts. Like in Fallout: New Vegas, except Torment is a much better RPG.

>>4763383
I also have to say PS:T has the most ORGASMIC experience sound effects. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside whenever I gain exp for completing quests.

>>4763320
Read up on the SJW mod-fest EE is before you give them money

>>4760758
What's with this board and the misinterpretation of the meaning of the term "meme?"

>>4763387
Now that is some fresh meme there, so

PT didn't get any garbage. In fact, it didn't get much of anything in the EE outside of widescreen. People who knew what they were fucking doing supervised the project.

PT and Icewind Dale are the two games where you don't get dumb shit.

>>4761393
I started playing it, and the writing is better than average for a video game, but there is SO FUCKING MUCH dialogue that I stopped playing because reading a book is a better time investment. Maybe my problem was that I tried talking to everyone like in a normal video game, but there are too many NPC's for that.

>>4763437
you can kind of just skim it and bungle through situations when you're not interested

you can basically just talk to dakkon until he's op and carries you until annah comes around and she levels enough to backstab everything in the game to death, so when you kind of fuck everything up by not listening you can be like whatever

I don't care

this is a videogame

the easy combat basically lets you fall back on it and just skip any reading that you don't care for

your allies mostly don't care either

it's a chill game sometimes

>>4763401
My bad, reply was meant for >>4763305 he was talking about Baldur's Gate EE

>>4763437
I'm an avid reader and when I was playing PS:T I eventually started getting more and more anxious when meeting new NPC's because it's so easy to get trapped into reading an hour long lore dump or otherwise some other bullshit that is boring as fuck and my OCD prevents me from skipping any dialog.

>>4763437
>reading a book is a better time investment
Why?

>>4763037
>the mortuary
>maze
>couldn't even get out
shit son, how do you not forget to breathe.

>>4760758
It's one of the biggest meme in cRPG history. Even if you come to it as "Story first, gameplay maybe" mindset combined with "I love to read lenghty expository", it's still hard to push through the game, as it is simply not engaging on any level other than being a massive meme and having lots of stuff to read.
A lot of VERY boring stuff to read.
And let's not forget it's one of those "You can talk your way out of everything" games, yet again trying to cover for the fact combat system is just plain broken and full of bug-related exploits.

So if the game won't "click" for you in first 30-60 minutes, it won't ever.

>>4764506
>So if the game won't "click" for you in first 30-60 minutes, it won't ever.

Nah, you should approach it the same way you would all those big name visual novels where the first 10 hours are only a prologue and are expected to be somewhat boring.

>>4760758
Played a little because a gamer bro told me it was amasing. The same person that told me ff6 was best rpg for snes. Uninstaled this boring shit and never finished ff6. Chrono trigger and earthbound masterrace here.

>>4760758
Meme for sure. It's a dungeons and dragons game.

It's not a good game. RPGs aren't good games in general except for the ones that refined itself so much that they're just called SRPGs. It's still worth playing, though.

>>4760758
>VN
>game
K

>>4764535
I don't really think Planescape would last for 10 hours, unless you are a slow reader.

But seriously, the game is fucking non-engaging. I'm actually happy with the fact more and more people realise how overblown the hype and memetic status is, because saying decade ago that Planescape is not "bestest gaime evah!" was equal with being lynched.

>>4764360
>Missing the point so hard

This game has a lot of combat in it, and it isn't particularly bad for the genre. The "VN" shit is what the actual meme is.

It is a good game. The graphics, music, and story are all awesome.

>>4761265
>Icewind Dale 2

>>4761265
I pity you if you legit believe this.

>>4770421
>a lot of combat in it
>it isn't particularly bad for the genre

>>4770630
*cums in ur mouth*

>>4760758
It's a very good story-based game with cool characters but the combat is really bad.

Personally I like it, just what you decide mattered in the end, they put all that lore in but couldn't be bothered to do multiple endings at least ?

>>4760758
It has a fantastically unique setting and very good writing for a video game. If you're a 5 second attention span gen z faggot like the other retards ITT you'll find it tedious, but if you go into it knowing you'll be taking it slow and read tons, it's amazing. Just don't expect the combat to be as good as ID or BG.

Can't get into it. I'm a JRPG guy through and through.

>>4770839
The game is filled with combat zones. There's nothing actually bad with the way combat abilities work, characters handle, or player input. It is just rather dull because there's none of the finely crafted encounters from the Baldur's Gate series, just random enemies scattered around.

>>4771293
>One of the standard DnD settings
>Unique
How detatched from pen and paper RPG are you?
And the game is simply boring, even as VN

>>4771121
well, you'll die in all ultimately but how you die is different depending on what you did along the way to it. you can also have a non-standard ending by the way of getting petrified in a brothel or sit on a throne to replace a skeleton and become vegetable forever

>>4771771
nigga, this isn't the same like Baldur's Gate where they mostly had to do with Sword Coast, which is the shittiest, most generic setting for DnD imaginable. You might as well lump Spelljammer with Planescape because obviously it's just as standard

>>4760758

I couldn't get into it, the combat is so extremely bad imo that I couldn't force myself o continue.

>>4764535

They way to approach those games is to not play them because they are obviously wasting your time, anon

>>4770421

It's abysmal for the genre. Baldurs gate has bad combat for the genre, this has actual crap combat, as in nearly anyone just randomly taken from the street could have designed a better, more engaging combat system.

>>4761358
Wisdom is most important because it affects how much exp you receive from everything else.

>>4763387
Did anyone complaint about the SJW-ness or whatever of EE ever even play them? I played original BG1 and 2, and the EE, and I noticed no SJW-related differences.

>tfw people wasting time on joke mechanics like combat and being a fighter brainlet
>not becoming a badass mage and learn the best spells or become a pussy and running away from the shitty parts of the game instead

it's a black isle game. you can literally get more experience by talking or doing shit than become a murderhobo and killing everything ever

>>4760758
I thought it was great the first time, but now I think ts kind of boring. The story is interesting, and better than most games, but if I wanted to read this much I’d get a book. BG games strike a better balance I think.

>>4771319
>combat zones
>UH CHIEF I THINK WE'RE BEING WATCHED
>kill rando thug #382
>loot 1 copper and a dirt clod

Captivating.

>>4772476
As if the weeb shit from that era was any better. Nigga please. At least you don't have to grind in Planescape.

>>4772520
>B-but there were other games with bad design
Yeah, and there were good games and even good wRPGs in that period.
Planescape is not one of them and awful combat system is barely the tip of an iceberg why it sucks.

>>4771885
How the fuck you think Planescape was made in the first place? Was it made because "le quirky weird ass niche setting" or because "the setting everyone and their dog runs"?

>>4772051
>you can literally get more experience by talking or doing shit
Which is what the complains are about. You can talk your way through the game, but the dialogues are fucking boring and simply locked behind sufficiently high stats or you can try to fight your way through the game and get bored by classic DnD combat "balance", turning everyone into crisp with fireballs.
But the game is boring either fucking way.

>>4770421
>This game has a lot of combat in it, and it isn't particularly bad for the genre
Imagine having nostalgia glasses so fucking thick

Here, couldn't be bothered to make a webm out of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6UL04WnPp8

>>4760758
There are meme games, there are memes of meme games and then there is Planescape. This game is the fucking Undertale of its times - an extremely overrated "oh so quirky!" meme that only blind fandom considers anything else than piece of shit, but most normal people are too afraid to point a finger and say "hey, this game is fucking awful" due to the rabid fandom being really fucking rabid.

Arcanum > Temple of Elemental Evil > Fallout > Planescape > Fallout 2 > Baldur's Gate 2 > Baldur's Gate > Icewind Dale > Icewind Dale 2

>>4772824
>Arcanum > Baldur's Gate 2 > Fallout 2 > Fallout > Icewind Dale > Baldur's Gate > Temple of Elemental Evil > Icewind Dale 2 >= Planescape

>>4772841
>FO2 better than 1
>Bioshit that high
Opinion trashed.

>>4772841
I'd put BG2 at first other than that pretty much spot on

>>4772852
>Better quests
>More things to do
>Better gameplay
>Followers are useful and interesting
Yeah, I can totally see how FO2 is worse with that.
>inb4 le popculture referneces maymay
Have you actually played FO1?

>>4772852
>/vr/
>Complains about Bioshit

>>>/v/

>>4772841
I can agree on the polar spots for Arcanum and Planescape. Arcanum is how you make a game that comes with genuinely engaging and interesting setting and initiative to read all that stuff and rummage through dialogue options and side activities. Planescape is how you make a poorly-scripted VN with "one true solution" to all quests, usually not related with what you do, but how you build your character.

I do have to give it to FO1 it had an awesome end if you had the bloody mess perk

>>4772879
It had that ending regardless of anything.
Which led to hilarious situations like attackign the Overseer with a flare, deal 2 points of damage, watch the whole animation as his half-torn body crawls over the cave's floor.... and then he stands up, intact, missing only 2 HP. You know, after being in pieces.

>>4772852
But FO2 is better than 1, you fucking moron. It takes to never play either of them to even try to pretend 1 was better.

>>772889
FO1 has a far superior story and cast, not to mention less glitches and engine issues.

>>4772919

>>4760758
One of the best games I ever play. The real question is: did this aged well?
The truth is, as most VG , it didn't. I would love to replay it, but after decades of hand-holding and completly different mindset games I won't probably enjoy it now.
I was going for another run of VtM:Bloodline the other day and I got bored just at the first quest.

Long story short: if you missed it back on the day you very much aren't going to enjoy it now.

>>4774340
>t. kid who is younger than Planescape
This is the true power of this meme game

>>4760758
Saw it for $2.99 on Google Play. Needed something to do on a road trip and figured why not. I was going in blind and I'm very impressed with it so far. Just bought the EE version so I could continue from where I left off. It's got a metric ton of dialogue so don't expect to be blown away by the combat. Also snapping your neck to convince a Dustie that death isn't all it is cracked up to be is just fucking hilarious.

>>4760758
Good game. Completed it a long time ago. The characters stay with you. Be prepared to read.

>>4774340
That's a problem with you, not the game.

I replayed Bloodlines last year (first time since about 2006), and had the most fun in an RPG in ages. The gameplay is super fun, the writing is fantastic, and the game is legitimately funny. I had forgotten what a game with clever writing was like after slogging through shit like Pillars of Eternity.

asking if something is good or a meme is a meme

>>4772592
>fantastic writing and dialogue for vidya
>didn't read lol
aaah i see your ADHD is setting in. how about taking some of that aderall?

>>4776038
...and you were saying something about ADHD?
Ironic.

>>4776038
>fantastic writing and dialogue for vidya
>Planescape
Pick one. Unless you are telling us your standards are so low Planescape is literally the best you ever played in terms of writing.

>>4776803
lol you mad

>>4776038
I wonder how a person so bad at reading comprehension can enjoy a VN like Planescape

>>4776929
Not him, but you forgot to mention autism. You already had ADHD and "u mad", time for autism.

>>>/v/

>>4777082
lol your gay

>>4760758
>actually a good visual novel
Here, ftfy.

meme

>>4779409
>Bumping shit-thread from 11 page

great story
great music
great voice-acting
great writing
shit combat and gameplay

>>4781118
You forgot to mention retarded fanbase that bumps their shitty game from 11th page

>>4761265
source?

>>4782046
lol your salty XD

>>4782743
>Nothing comes out of the thread for past few days
>Still bumps it anyway for no reason at all
>Still hogs the space on the board
Planescape fanbase, ladies and gents

>>4783049
rofl got 'em XD

>>4783049
bumping the thread just to spite this guy

>>4784187
ditto

>>4760758
yes