/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4761861
Retro market is not that big, with emulators and all.

Few people care about how the the games used to run on the original hardware.

As long as it's working, everything is good.

Was that intended for people who buy used consoles terrified it's about to start pouring cockroaches?

>>4761861
Gotta appease the scalpers.

Understandable. The transparent version does not look like their product pictures on their website. Its cloudy and internal components are hard to see in it which caused a minor uproar among buyers.

It wasn't that super duper accurate real thing machine anyway. Just look how many firmware updates they released because of broken games.

>>4761898
Id be pissed off if I bought a supposedly clear console that wasn't clear.

>>4761864
Well, it is an emulator. I guess it can’t compete with free emulators though.

>>4761910
Only the transparent version has been discontinued.
Others are still available and seemingly still selling like hot cakes.

>>4761861
NT Mini still out of stock. Additional cores still not available for Super NT.

>>4763629
>NT Mini still out of stock.
No shit. They're obviously going to make a new cheaper plastic model.
>Additional cores still not available for Super NT.
No shit. They're obviously going to make a new box for each new core from now on.

>>4761989
Only the black one is still available

>>4764021
Others are currently on preorder since they're producing another run though.
Only the transparent one won't be made anymore.

>>4763629
Stull glad i got one when i still could

>>4761898
>>4761909
It's immediately obvious from the op image that it's not completely clear. When you see the word "transparent" always assume the person who wrote it doesn't understand the difference between transparent and translucent.

>>4761864
>Retro market is not that big, with emulators and all
Plus a real SFC is much cheaper and not that difficult to maintain

Imagine paying 200 USD for a faggot emulator box when you can get one for free

>>4764052

Buyers were aware it was going to be translucent but not prepared for the look of the final product since it is pretty different from the renders on their store.

>>4764189
Wow, that looks terrible.

>no analog out
Was considering buying one, but that's a deal breaker. Might as well just buy a real Super Famicom/SNES. Is the accuracy any good, at least?

>>4764189
1999 Nintendo called, they want their casings back.

>>4764269
>Is the accuracy any good, at least?
Better than Snes9x, worse than Higan.

>>4764269

An analog-out dongle for the Super NT that connects through the HDMI port has been announced but no other news on that since February.

I think it runs my games fine.

>>4764295
Damn, for $200 I was expecting Higan-tier perfection. I think they're just trying to catch on to the SNES Classic fad, and the website certainly looks that way.

>>4764298
If the dongle doesn't cause any video latency, I don't really see a problem with it. But with the imperfect emulation, I really don't see how this is better than Higan or a real machine with an SD2SNES.

>>4764330

The Super NT designer, Kevtris, said you could use a Super Scope with the analog dongle. Which means there won't be latency since old light guns require zero lag.

>>4764295
horseshit. its as accurate as higan but without the lag, and far more options. you cant even fill the vertical space of HD tv with higan

I want one but that $40 ebay scum tactic shipping cost prevents me from ordering. i just cant do it. if it was being sold for $220 + $10 shipping I'd already have one. but fuck those guys for their jewish tricks

>>4764349
>its as accurate as higan
The bugs they keep having to fix say otherwise.
>but without the lag
What is RetroArch?
>and far more options
No savestates. No special chip support for ROMs. No CRT filters. Can't use any controller you want. Seems like fewer options to me.
>you cant even fill the vertical space of HD tv with higan
You're retarded.

>>4764295
>>4764330
>worse than Higan
Fuck off byuu, no one's buying it any more. Super NT is as accurate as Higan if not more so.

>>4764358
>The bugs they keep having to fix say otherwise
All known issues are fixed. Incidentally some of the same issues were also apparent in Higan and fixed around the same time as Kevtris and byuu were sharing info.

>>4761861
Probably too many models, I'm probably going to buy one of these sooner than expected just in case.

>>4764269
If you want analog inputs why would you even get this?

>>4761861
emu box
https://byuu.org/articles/fpgas-arent-magic/

>>4764426
byuu and byuu defense force steps in to attack enemies of higay

>>4764426
>The one area where the Super Nt will absolutely beat traditional emulators is in latency

That’s the whole fucking point and appeal you dunce. That’s the only thing worth caring about at this point. Jesus Christ

>>4764358
>>4764426
byuu fuck off, literally no one gives a shit.

>>4764358
go ahead faggot, show me the options in higan that let me fill the screen vertically. the fuck should I have black bars at the top and bottom of the screen if I 'm using AANN and integar scaling doesn't matter

>>4764363
Hey Kevtris

>>4765107
I use higan on a 4k tv and never had to adjust anything. I get black bars on the sides but it fits top to bottom. Only thing I had to mess with is the audio.

>>4764189
i kinda dig the fogginess. probably looks real nice with a SGB2

>>4765107
Dumbass.

>>4765107
you are one stupid mother fucker.

>>4764438
>>4764460
>>4764662
>>4765107
Kevtris emu fanboys!

>>4761861
>$189.99
over priced clone system w/emulator
>$89.99
^This should be the actual price.
Why pay high price for a clone system that tries to mimic original hardware? People these days are so gullible to waste their money on fake shit. Its a fake snes not licensed by Nintendo. And if the Super NT was made be Nintendo, I could perhaps see the reason why the price could be set at $189.99 because Nintendo..

Kind of wish I'd gone in on the Analogue NT Mini while they were still making them. Not so interested in the Super NT since it doesn't have all those other supported systems.

>>4768150
If they sold it for 90 bucks each they'd barely be making any profit after they've paid kevtris for the year's worth of full time development work.

This isn't some shitty retro-bit/retron system on a chip they can knock out for a couple of bucks per unit with zero development costs.

Why do people keep calling it an emulator when it's not an emulator?

>>4768265
because it IS

>>4768295
I'd class it as a very good hardware clone. I don't think emulator is a good term for it because this thing practically is a SNES in the way it works.

I'm not shitting on emulators as if it's a dirty word or something, I mean Higan is fucking fantastic if you have a powerful PC, it's just the way that Higan works is completely different to the way the Super NT works. They both achieve fantastic results.

>>4768310
A hardware-based emulator is still an emulator.

>>4768531
I say otherwise. It's hardware designed to carry out the same function as the original.

Like the 1-CHIP SNES or SNES Jr., they both have different components to the original SNES, and even have a few minor quirks in the way it displays games but you wouldn't consider a them emulators.

I see the Super NT the same way. It still runs all games in the very same way a real SNES does on a hardware level.

Or is your definition of emulation anything that is not official?

>>4768310
Verilog versus C++
Let's say we want to implement an 8-bit counter. We start at zero on reset, and then we count upward by one on every positive clock edge.

Here is one way you would implement this in Verilog:

module up_counter (
out,
enable,
clk,
reset
);

output [7:0] out;
input enable, clk, reset;
reg [7:0] out;

always @(posedge clk)
if(reset) begin
out <= 8'b0;
end else if(enable) begin
out <= out + 1;
end

endmodule

And here is one way you would implement this in C++:

class up_counter {
uint8_t out;
bool enable, clk, reset;

void clk_posedge() {
if(reset) {
out = 0;
} else if(enable) {
out = out + 1;
}
}
};

When the claim is made that FPGA is not emulation, the claim is that the former is fundamentally different than the latter. And honestly, maybe it is!

This is very obviously a minimalist example, and as the complexity of the design grows, so too will the overall structure.

But the point I want to convey is that at the end of the day, whether one is coding in Verilog or in C++, they're typing text into text editors, and parsing that text with various tools: programmers or compilers.

>>4768583
https://byuu.org/articles/what-is-emulation/

https://byuu.org/articles/fpgas-arent-magic/

>>4768583
>It's hardware designed to carry out the same function as the original.
Correct. Designed via reverse-engineering, I might add.

Now let's look at the definition of a software emulator:
>It's software designed to carry out the same function as the original via reverse-engineering.

>>4768150
Also you forgot its $40 shipping cost.

>>4761889
Got this at a pawn shop for $5 about a month ago. Had to replace power connector.

>>4768583
THE SAME ELECTRICAL PATH... EMULATING THE ELECTRONS

>>4761861
If its specifically the transparent one it's probably because people complained it wasn't really transparent — it was really cloudy and you couldn't see the insides.

>>4768583
Is it original hardware? Or is it emulating original hardware?

>>4769301
Did you have to replace the cockroaches too?

>>4769286
>$189.99
>$40 shipping
>controller not included
>controller $39.99
>Total $269.98 for clone emulator system

>>4769402
kek

>>4769371
It's not an emulator, it is a programmable hardware device that has been programmed to emulate a SNES on the hardware level.
Therefore it is real SNES hardware in the same sense that a man who has had a sex change operation is a real woman.
If it's good enough for Wikipedia then it should be good enough for a bunch of mouthbreathing nerd virgins on 4chan

>>4761861
It didn't sell anywhere as well as the NA or JAP/PAL color schemes. If you want the black one I'd snag it now, they're likely to do the same thing once that runs out.

>>4768590
>"The only thing it does differently than a software emulator is it doesn't have a ton of input lag!"

That's the whole fucking point byuu jesus christ why did he even bother writing all that

>>4769648
>why did he even bother writing all that
Autism, and an inflated sense of self-importance.

>>4768590
>https://byuu.org/articles/common-ground/
interesting, I didn't know the higen developer guy is a man who is married to another man
>Trump's message was that we are sub-human and not deserving of the same rights he enjoys. He wants to dissolve my marriage to the person I love. Comparing my love for my husband to a fucking golf-club. This son of a bitch who mail-ordered his third fucking bride from Slovenia wants to tell me about what kind of marriage is natural?!
lol guess I'll stick with zsnes

>>4769661
>No equality? No peace.
Geez. Not only is he gay, he's militantly gay.

>>4769672
>armed gays don't get bashed
nice meme but a more accurate statement would be that gays who don't try to get forceful with straight men who aren't interested don't get bashed.
>t. had a flamboyantly gay acquaintance decide to start feeling me up in a bar once and it would have turned into a fistfight if some mutual friends hadn't intervened
there are two sides to every story - a true side and a bullshit side - and people tend to spread the bullshit one because it's more sensational

>>4769687

Nice blog fag.

>>4769687
fuck me I forgot to close the spoiler tag

>>4769402

Kek. That fucker made my skin crawl. Luckily I think it had been that way for decades. They were just crispy shells, but you better believe I cleaned the living fuck out of that thing. A working non yellowed SNES for $8 total and a bit of elbow grease.

>>4769689
man I'm just saying that the idea of "gay bashing" is bullshit and it's likely that in most cases the "bashed" party is the aggressor

>>4769694
Take your sjw shit elsewhere.

>>4769687
>who don't try to get forceful with straight men who aren't interested don't get bashed.
Ask any former Muslim about what they do to the gays.

>>4769754
but sir we need social justice
and we need people who aren't afraid to fight for what's right

>>4769780
>Muslims murder gay people while also murdering Christians, atheists, apostates, their own wives and daughters, Muslims of other sects and anyone else they can get their hands on
>therefore gay bashing is a thing in the USA and gays should start carrying guns to shoot straight white men
makes sense I guess

>>4769301
That is fucking revolting. Why is this not an issue in the UK as it is in America? I have never seen this happen over here.

>>4761864
>Retro market is not that big
and yet collectorfags & resellerscum collaborate to drive up demand

>>4769921
>Why is this not an issue in the UK as it is in America?
Outside of pet stores, the only roaches I've ever seen in person came from a shipping crate from Taiwan. The existence of little bastards was so foreign, that I had to stare at them for several seconds before I even realized what they were. So they're really not an issue here, far away from shitholes like Detroit, Atlanta, etc.

>>4769661
>>4769672
>>4769687
>>4769694
>>4769780
>>4769782
>>4769789
>>>/pol/
gtfo

>>4769661
>using inferior software to own the libs
typical lol enjoy your papa johns

>>4769921

I've never ran into anything like this before that console. It was disgusting. I'd imagine it's more common in some places but in Iowa I've never ran into it before. The US is huge with a lot of variety in living conditions and rural vs. urban even in the same state.

>>4769661
I think he's some kind of transgender. Not much on him personally out there apart from him being a full on sperg who got angry that wikipedia said higan was 'stylised' with a lowercase 'h'.

>>4761910
There's a very important difference between kevtris' FPGA-based "emulation" solution for the NT and CPU-based software emulation. The only software emulator for SNES that matches the NT in accuracy is Higan which requries more CPU power than you average schmoe with a laptop has. The Super NT is the best solution for playing original cartridges on modern displays, that's about it.

>>4771630
>Higan which requries more CPU power than you average schmoe with a laptop has
Uh what? I used Higan on a laptop from 2010 with no issues.

>>4771634
The highest accuracy version of Higan? Doubt it. Is your laptop CPU over 3 ghz?

>>4771640
Just an average i5 for the time. IIRC normal speed was 2.4ghz with turbo up to 3.0. Ran full speed with zero issues.

You're severely overestimating how much power Higan takes to run. It's only CPU-intensive by the standards of SNES emulators. Any modern laptop won't break a sweat.

>>4771651
AFAIK there's different versions of Higan/bsnes. The most accurate versions would give a 2010 i5 a run for its money, You're probably using more reaosnable and balanced settings.

>>4771651
>>4771665
I'm thinking about the bsnes Accuracy core in Higan.

>>4771665
Nope. Both bsnes-accuracy in RetroArch and standalone Higan (which only had accuracy mode by that time) both ran just fine on it. Seriously, modern systems aren't going to have problems with Higan unless you're talking about Raspberry Pi tier hardware.

>>4771567
>mednafen dev is trans
>higan dev is trans
Are trannies predisposed to developing emulators, or is it the other way around?

>>4771681
people with one type of severe mental illness are statistically likely to have other types of severe mental illness as well

>>4771679
According to a reddit post by byuu himself some areas in the most demanding games require even 3.4 ghz to run smoothly. But many games will probably not come close to that.

>>4771681
Emulation is all about building a convincing fake.

Should I drop my 1 chip SNES and my PS2, they are emulation too right?, in fact should I play only with the first model of every console to avoid emulating?, many consoles changed stuff like the mega drive

>>4771698
A 3.4ghz what, though? A 2ghz i5 kicks the shit out of a 4ghz Pentium 4, for example.

>>4771719
He doesn't really specify it in the post, just "core-based CPU" (not sure what he means). Since it's a 2 year old post I assume he's referring to somewhat contemporary CPUs like post-sandy bridge and bulldozer.

>>4771728
Presumably he means Core i3/i5/i7 when he writes "Core-based CPU" but I'm not sure

Has Kevtris said anything about adding additional cores for the SNT? I recall him saying the FPGA had much more space to work with than the NT mini.

>>4764269
me too, the c64 mini was ruined because the hdmi ment that they couldn't use the c64 on a chip that they had availble to them. A retro console using hdmi on an lcd look worse than one running composite on a crt.

>>4764269
>>4771824
I'm not sure why you'd want analog out instead of just using original hardware. To me the main appeal of these is the native digital output.

>>4771706
ps2 is a partial emulator, some games don't run on it and there mite b different performance in others

>>4764358
>The bugs they keep having to fix say otherwise.
The bugs they found were also on Higan. Thank the Super NT community for finding them.

>Can't use any controller you want.
The fuck? Now you're just making shit up instead of being misinformed. 8bitdo bluetooth adapters allow you to use pretty much every modern wireless controller. Separately, I made some custom adapters myself to use my wired arcade sticks on it.