/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[05-04] Champions, a compatibility-friendly monster variant mod
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=60456

[05-03] Anon's ZScript video tutorials
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/4744020/#4748086

[04-30] PROJECT ILE version 0.23 released
https://desuarchive.org/vr/post/4741726
http://www.mediafire.com/file/e52z704ui56acjm/Project%20ILE.rar

[04-27] Powerslave EX Revival "not far" according to lead developer
https://twitter.com/SVKaiser/status/989945964831105024

[04-27] Further details of upcoming DOOM movie
https://geektyrant.com/news/doom-reboot-reportedly-has-a-director-and-lead

[04-26] FreeDoom maps, as PWADs
https://mega.nz/#F!j0cgkJKT!QXo16jxgK1iQf-92Sx1gdA

[04-26] func_msgboard is having a 100-brush mapping contest
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61565

[04-26] New Q1SP map, Mire Prison by jcr - feedback requested
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1iwq_lBPaEDxqee4Qr430fCequXNyx3Fs

[04-26] Anon map release: Old Research Sector
https://mega.nz/#!AVcwWADK!qxrEr7yMG_TxYLyfqxOohQJtszlT2k_9vt4NlL9CMxQ

[04-25] A new beta for Brutal Doom v21 released:
http://www.moddb.com/mods/brutal-doom/downloads/brutal-doom-v21-beta

[04-24] Dimension of the Boomed, a Quake themed mapset currently in beta.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/92574-dimension-of-the-boomed-beta2-release/

[04-23] Babel 4-23-2017 update, mostly bug fixes.
https://babel-mod.neocities.org/

[04-23] Mr. Friendly alpha release, turns Doom into "an Animal Crossing-like nonviolent social space"
https://jp.itch.io/mr-friendly

[04-22] Anon mod release: CLANG.wad, replaces every sound with CLANG
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x4k2bxhorxb4vyo/CLANG.wad?dl=1

[04-22] Anon map release: roomv4.wad
http://www.mediafire.com/file/f3xu3bifrox8mb2/roomv4.zip (original)
https://my.mixtape.moe/ylyuxt.wad (update)
https://my.mixtape.moe/aaczhx.wad (another update)

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HUH

I'm looking for really well-designed maps, ideally big ones. What do you recommend?

Missed screenshot saturday, anyway have this boring brown wip.

>>4754325
>>4754379
Yeah, Kamen Rider Doom, or just general TokuDoom would be awesome.
We need to introduce PillowBlaster to ToukSatsu

>>4754414
>>4754428
There is actually not just a gun-focused Rider, but a literal FPS Rider - Kamen Rider Snipe (from Ex-Aid)

Alright boys, here's a question for you:
The super shotgun is a pretty fucking great weapon, there's no denying that. But if you were to give it an altfire, what the fuck would you give it? It's a weapon that's got such a strong primary and such a specific niche that trying to add anything else onto it is nearly impossible

>>4755093
The same altfire that Beautiful Doom gave it:
A singular shot from one of the barrels.
So two altshots before reloading
But if you altshoot once and then try to use primary fire, then it just reloads

>>4755086
snipe's gun suffers from a hefty case of "how the fuck", though

>>4755084
>boring
Hey, I like it.

>>4755093
it shoots the whole shell, so the shot is only 2 hitscan tracers but they do more damage

>>4755106
Yeah, you're right
There is no shooty hole

>>4755102

Keep in mind this pretty much completely invalidates the normal shotgun as a weapon.

>>4755102
That's not a bad idea, I'll write that one down.

>>4755109
This is both funny and also a valid idea, honestly.

I'll be honest I've been wracking my brain for the past two hours trying to think of an altfire for webm related, I don't like the current altfire very much.
I also made it a little less clicky clacky when reloading.

>>4755123
Fuck's sake. Maybe I should post the webm.

>>4755121
Just like chaingun completely invalidates the pistol.

Also, Beautiful Doom gives normal Shotgun a physical attack as an altfire (not a punch or a kick, but literally whacking the enemy with the blunt end of a shotgun). It's actually pretty useful for pinkies and spectres, since sometimes they don't die after two shots and only left with like 10 hp.

What do you guys think of Ion Maiden?

>>4755093
Underslung hookshot for pulling in enemies.

>>4755176

So I'm gonna share my HD modded version of Doom. It's based on GZDoom.

Changes:

-Added mod for more blood, gore, dismemberment of enemies and corpses.
-Sprites of mobs, items, decorations, fireballs are replaced with 3D models
-Contains HD textures and hi-res menu, so you won't see a single pixel.
-All weapons are default, but the sprites are replaced to HD.
-Added mod that changes default sounds to the ones with higher frequency
-No more midi music, now it's completely rewritten.
-Less slippery movement mod
-Footsteps sounds
-Flashlight (press F)
-Added bloom effect and ambient occlusion in GZDoom settings.
-Added fog (you can configure it in Gamplay options - > Fog options)

To play modded version just launch .bat file. You can also edit them to remove mods you don't like.

Link: http://www.mediafire.com/file/dj9havn7edj0wse/Doom_Collection_by_vasyan777_ver_1.7.rar

Size: 1 GB

>>4755093
>>4755102
>>4755121

How about a melee swipe? Like, a circular slow arc swing with the stock, that deals as much damage as fist (including berserk modifier).

That would make it more versatile in its role as a close-quarters weapon, without invalidation regular shotty.

>>4755190
That's something I've been thinking of for the nailgun thing I've been working on here >>4755126

The primary fire is so good that I'm hard pressed to really give it another projectile attack of some kind, though I'm not sure how well a melee attack would work. The SSG and SSG-like weapons are really hard weapons to do much else with.

>>4755093
Reload with slugs

>>4755190
Dude: >>4755129
> Also, Beautiful Doom gives normal Shotgun a physical attack as an altfire

>>4755093
some cool animation like the alt fires in SOF

>>4755093
An attack where Doomguy uses the recoil of the SSG to launch it at an enemy. You can retrieve the gun afterwards.

>>4755203
so he launches it... backwards? If he launched the SSG forward there's a chance he'd shoot himself in the face

>>4755204
Yeah

>>4755204
>>4755203
Put it on his shoulder like a bazooka?

where the screenshot saturday(/sunday) guy at?

>>4755221
I wasn't sure if I should post or not but HEY SEEING AS YOU ASKED.
IT'S A LATE SCREENSHOT SATURDAY. WHAT'RE YOU WORKING ON?

>>4755223
Put that switch into the game.

>>4755223
tweaking the loadout screen and making it more nice to look at (still need to add total loadout cost to the screen)

should clicking on the item's pic on the main screen remove the item on it, would that feel organic?

>>4755243
What the fuck. This is new. Anon you tell the class what you're doing here and what this project is right now.

>>4755243
That's often mapped to right clicking.

>>4755223
Hello /vr/. I'm working on a draft of my map, using a Wacom tablet. This is drawn in FireAlpaca. As you can see it's in a very rough stage because being very ADD my mind can change pretty often. Thankfully with a tablet like this you can crank out ideas pretty quickly and be really wild with how things go, but I'm still getting the hang of using a tablet and drawing with a pencil/paper is always faster.

I've got a large notepad I've been drawing level ideas and such in for about 10 years, just little things over time that I've put in in a flash of inspiration. Creators can be "architects" or "gardeners" from what I've seen and I'm really the latter. I have several set pieces I want in doom maps, I have them sketched out (mostly in my notepad, the Wacom tablet is new), then I decide on what I will include and how the player can reach and utilize them. However I'll have to move over to the "architect" stage later when I fully flesh out the details.

The relationship between the top right/bottom left is me structuring an arena battle, I don't want it to be crushing for the player as I'm walking the line between "big fight" and "slaughter" and won't be wanting the latter one. I'm big on trying to use alternative means of killing monsters and am expecting my level to be used by players with gameplay mods which I'm happy to see them exercise, so they can kick/throw monsters into death pits, put them in crushers or onto convener belts with exploding barrels, I'm also looking to have them collapse the ceiling onto foes in places. Other designs include an electrified horizontal "slammer" as well.

I spend time thinking of how players can break or cheese encounters and rather than wanting ways to restrict them, try instead to give them options with what option they take. Speedrunners will always be speedrunners however I think the best speed run will require prior knowledge.

>>4755243
also a slightly more interesting shot

>>4755247
Ep3 of the AMC TC, only 3 more maps to finish up before it's beta testing time (they're all over the 50% mark too)

>>4755249
that's a good point, right click is also used to cancel out of a lot of menus so the precedent is already set - cheers.

>>4755253
>>4755243
On one hand, this looks kinda clunky.
On the other hand, it's got that authentic 90's cheesy feeling (inventory icons look like low-poly renders) and that's freaking amazing. I love it, and its atmosphere.

>>4755253
Is this done in Build?

>>4755252
I recommend planning for speedrunning tricks like straferunning jumps, and rocket jumps. Similarly, if there is some mandatory waiting or a slow segment or backtrack, give a harder (faster) way to skip it.

>>4755252
>>4755223
When I release it (I'm estimating maybe a year or two at the current rate) I want to put out another version packaged with all the little design notes/sketches I had of things to try and detail the creative process as I've seen a lot of talk on forums as to how people go about it themselves and maybe somebody can get something useful from my own cutting room floor.

Main reason I want to do this is I was really fascinated by the "level commentary" feature in Half Life 2 games, so also intend to have something like that if I can work out how to do it but it would be utilizing help of others, but that's cool as if they want after being credited they can add their own piece as well and we can grow the knowledge pool together. I've really appreciated the help I've seen others give people here over the years. /vr/ is a pretty good place to bounce ideas around with. I'm confident on "visual" parts of design like picturing a map or encounter in my mind's eye but coding, scripting and the like is just painful. It seems some guys here are the opposite but together we can make things work. Anyway, go us.

Picture unrelated, a lever action shotgun somewhat inspiring Marathon's.

>>4755263
That's the plan..sort of anyway

>>4755268
yep, Eduke32.

my hole is open

>>4755270
That's one main thing I've been looking at, but I think a slow wall lower is going to be annoying for them. Right now I'm churning around them having to be more exposed to fire to reach the exit switch, whereas slower "kill everything" players would have cleared the space, removing the threat. A risk/reward kind of deal rather than a boxed in "you must kill all the monsters" one. This way more skilled speedrunners can get away with more monsters surviving to shave off time. However I can't make it entirely with speed running in mind as I don't play like that, but I can try as best I can inside the scope of the map. We'll see how it all turns out I guess.

I myself always play with the idea of killing everything in an encounter before moving on.
Anyway I don't want to give too many things away now otherwise I'll commit too much to them or feel like I'm spoiling things.
I mainly lurk but try to help when I can. Have to go now though so if you see me not replying it's not being rude, i'm just not here. Thanks for your thoughts friend.

>>4755109
Basically what >>4755192 said.

Do people even care about vanilla wads anymore?

>>4755293
There's a loud minority here that does.

>>4755280
A SECRET IS REVEALED

>>4755086
How would we make Doomguy into a Kamen Rider? Of course, he will need a motorcycle and the Rider Kick. It wouldn't be a Kamen Rider without those two things.

>>4755293
They're all I play when it comes to Doom.

oh shit niggers its time to map again
thing is i need a good layout
for a shitty forest map
help me not be retarded
what should there be?

>>4755320
further notes:
hell map
flesh
sector trees

>>4755293
Yes. Plenty of people still enjoy a good old fashioned doom mapset without modding the hell out of it.

>>4755312
We'll probably have to tie it in with Wolfenstein, considering that SHOCKER was founded by the remaining members of the Nazis.

>>4755320
That's a lot of unnecessary vertices you've got going on there, my friend.

>>4755326
Mandatory, all things considered.
You don't make straight lines when working with organic substance. This is no Techbase.

>>4755253
looks far more 90s inspired than bombshell's attempt

>>4755329
pen tool sectors are too uniform and look ugly
this is doom, less is more, get rid of like 70% of those vertexes

>>4755339
I'll disregard your faggotry entirely considering it has nothing to do with the layout.

>>4755339
>this is doom, less is more
What a disgusting mentality.

>>4755343
This.
Who the fuck thinks LESS is MORE?
LESS is not MORE
MORE is MORE

>>4755320
It depends I think on the greater shape of the whole forest, rather than smaller sections. Think missing forest for trees.

A good way I saw of doing background trees outside was having those twisted hell trees, red background, then a zero light sector to house them in. Looks spooky.

>>4755343
it's called minimalism; if you can do it with less, do it with less, and it'll be better (more) that way

>>4755346
you're an idiot

>>4755353
>it's called minimalism
That's a way of doing things, it doesn't mean that in Doom, less is more, period.

>>4755280
>>4755305
thanks for making my morning.

>>4755353

>>4755358
stealin this

>>4755093
A weaker flak cannon alt fire that shoots caltrops

In 90s level-design, there were two major figures that formed two competing and long-lasting ideologies in regards to level-design. Those were Romero and Blum.

Romero's ideology is basically built around "do what I'd do in your place"/"imitate me" rule. Blum's ideology is basically built around "put yourself in my shoes"/"empathize with me" rule. Romero's levels are perfectionistic and centered around ever changing standards of quality, they are competitive player's levels of choice. While Blum's levels are self-explanatory and transparent (not to be taken literally), they are aspiring amateur level designer's levels of choice.

That is not to say, that the ideologies of 90s level-design are exhausted by those two level-designers. However, Petersen failed to form a trend and remained basically "that one weird guy", Bradley's main work was outside of the FPS genre with Cybermage failing to gain any significant recognition, McGee and Levelord were one-trick ponies, HeXen, while unusual and memorable, remained a B-grade precursor to Hecatomb which has never happened, Unreal was far too spread out between its level-designers to make any of them stick out, and for Half-Life, while HL was definitely highly influential, it's not even all that apparent, just who the hell the actual layout and encounter designers even were.

Romero and Blum are pretty much the only two persons (at least, on the industry side, as opposed to community side) on whom the major level-designing trends could be pinned down more or less exactly.

>>4755347
You got an example? I'm haphazardly throwing this together out of some basic ideas, of which I only really have some detail, the sky, and music sorted out.

Cause you know, hellish flesh-forest.

>>4755347
>Think missing forest for trees
wat

>>4755356
no, it is something you should always be striving for with doom. doom is a simple game with an aesthetic that works best at low polycounts.
in this case, doom does organic sectors better when the features are made of a few lines, because it doesn't fight against the engine's lack of sloped surfaces. use 500 lines to define a curve, and now your super smooth curved wall clashes with the 90 degree divides between floor and wall.

it looks ugly. I've never seen it work. so again, cut down the vertex count. it looks better when you do.

>>4755379
Shut the fuck up An_Mutt

>>4755379
Never give advice for another map again. Ad_79

>>4755379
>no, it is something you should always be striving for with doom
I disagree. Most maps that stuck with me are the less simple ones like Winter's Fury, Zen Dynamics, UTNT, Unloved, rjumpextreme, among others, not counting the original games of course which will always remain in my mind.

Also I'm not the mapper you're talking to, maybe less lines do look better in a sector, but minimalism as a whole? Nah.

is doom 2d or 3d

>>4755390
This, otherwise 90% of mock maps would be clear individual cacoward winners.
Fucking retard.

>>4755395
2d with an illusion that makes it look 3d.

>>4755395
>>4755397
neither, it's 2.5d
>doom is 2d
excuse me cunt? no it's not
commander keen is 2d

>>4755379
And here we thought xenofag gave shit feedback for maps.
This just puts that to shame

>>4755402
2.5d is what you call isometric things, or stuff like Mischief Makers and Kirby 64 which are 2d with 3d elements, including interaction with the background and foreground.

>>4755408
Wrong. Kirby 64 is 3d. The characters and enviroment are 3D models.

Mischief makers looks to be 2d with models in 3d turned into 2d sprites

>>4755182
>Contains HD textures and hi-res menu, so you won't see a single pixel.
>1GB

>>4755417
Filters meme is not retro, nor videogames.
It's just
faggotry

>>4755413
In Kirby GRAPHICS are 3D, but gameplay is 2D.
In Doom, gameplay is 3D, but graphics technically aren't fully 3D.

So Doom is like, 2.75D?

>>4755423
Scholars from 1993 are still arguing about it today, so no reason they won't be in 3025.

>>4755182
>-Added bloom effect and ambient occlusion in GZDoom settings.
... Doesn't GZDoom already support those? Does this 'mod' just mess with my settings?

>>4755395
Yeas

>>4755063
Maps by Lainos usually fit your bill.
Doxylamine Moon : Overdose, is one of my favorites.

>>4755084
Looks pretty neat, actually. I like the grey stone pillars, they fit, yet contrast, with the brown bricks.

Guys, WYD?

>>4755395
I say it's 3D because gameplay is 3D, and graphics simulate a 3D space.

Sure, they are limited - but so are modern 3D graphics. For example, it's impossible to create a real circle or a sphere using modern polygonal graphics, you can only create illusion of roundness using high-poly objects and shaders, but not real roundness.

If you say "does this even matter" - then I ask you, then do Doom's limitations even matter? Gameplay is more reliant on three dimensions than in many modern "3D" games like DOTA or World of Warcraft, because stuff like height, ability to climb stairs, fall of ledges and dodge under high projectiles is absolutely crucial to the gameplay.

>metadoom's wall shield looks different and is more akin to the shields from the possessed shotgunners

>>4755121
Not if the barrel shot lists off to the side enough that you need to aim slightly to the left if shooting from the right barrel, or slightly to the right if shooting from the right.

>>4755093
Dragon's Breath shells. Burn everything.

>>4755437
>possessed shotgunners
more like
>'ideous foockin' 'errible cuont.

>Shores of ZDoom never

>>4755449
>Implying Shores of Zdoom or ZFerno will ever exist
S'Arais sperged out so that will never happen.

I've been out of the game for damn near 10 years now. What happened to zdaemon and Skulltag?

>>4755467
Skulltag died due to Cutmanmike's GVH faggotry, same as MMDM and other CancerWads have done to ZandyBam
>Zdaemon
Rofl.

>>4755467
Skulltag died in 2012 and Zandronum took its place.

>>4755467
>>4755471
Apparently Zdaemon is still in active development. Last update was 25 days ago.

>>4755478
>ZDaemon
ROFL

>>4755223
"Emergency" Performance Update
https://babel-mod.neocities.org/
>Gibbable enemies how check SSG damage type again, because doing puff +EXTEMEDEATH determination was causing performance issues
>Also offset fear on most player weapons by 1 frame, which helps performance too
>Shrunk player plasma balls by 2 units, making them easier to use in tight spaces
>Also made the Pulse Rifle's recoil smoother.
Since there's also not really a clear direction to go in at this point I figured I'd just put it to a poll. If you play or have played Babel, feel free to vote. https://www.strawpoll.me/15643472

>>4755093
Do what everyone does when they try to rework the SSG; let you fire one barrel at a time.

There's sprites for this which are almost old enough to fuck, it's an extremely easy conclusion to make, and I don't see why you make it out like doing something new with the original SSG is really hard.
Here's some other ideas for the altfire; using the buttstock for a melee attack, throwing a hand grenade, or switching to a special ammo type.

>>4755102
Basically that but put the double barrel fire on alt instead.

What lessons can you learn about what NOT to do in Doom from D44M?

>>4755497
Many
Number one being "doom is not arena-arena-arena you fucking faggot"

>>4755497
Don't lock people into arenas where they have to fight spawning monsters. This is Doom, not Serious Sam.

>>4755509
Even serious sam's was at least amusing with it's ridiculous cast, punchy weapons and good pacing.

Let's not forget Ugh-Zan which isn't a skybox trick.

>>4755121
Not if you give the shotgun a tight spread to let it score full hits at longer distances, also giving it the same pellet per shell ratio as the SSG: 10
Now both shotguns serve distinctly different roles and are very useful for different things.

>>4755129
I always liked Duke Nukem's pistol better in this sense, it's fast enough to actually be pretty decent, and it uses a different ammo pool from your automatic weapon.
It's actually a rather nice fallback weapon due to this.

>>4755471
>Skulltag died due to Cutmanmike's GVH faggotry
??
It died cause Carnevil got into arguments with Torr over domain ownership and the remaining staff members went on to make Zandronum.
>same as MMDM and other CancerWads have done to ZandyBam
>how dare people play something I don't like! that means it's dead!
You can _always_ find servers that aren't complex doom or mmdm or whatever, you can also get with your mates in /doom/ and play with each other, there's constant meetup announcements on the /vr/ steam group too.

>>4755510
>and good pacing.
uhhh.

>>4755427
It's already there. Just changed default setting.

>>4755527
>Serious Sam had bad pacing
Next you're going to tell me that Duke Nukem is actually a woman.

>>4755497
Hell in Doom wasn't just cool because it was hell, but also because its portrayal in older games was imaginative and varied enough, that they could have still taken more bits from it than just skull keys and skull switches
Even if they had something cool like those hell barrels, there's still the feeling that something is missing, while stuff like the evil eyes might as well be iconic

So I was going through Scythe 1.
Having fun until Map 23.
Which is a slaughterfest bullshit.
Seriously they throw everything at you right off the bat.
Is the rest of the wad still live this? If yes I drop it.

>>4755540
Why not just lower difficulty?
It forces you to pistol start the hell episode anyway

>>4755487
>put the double barrel fire on alt
Bad idea, because of muscle memory hundreds of Doom players are used to SSG firing both barrels by default. Like, if you're making a DIFFERENT double-barrel shotgun (with different sprite and sound) that can be alright, but if you're modifying vanilla SSG - bad idea.

>>4755538
You might want to tell the twitter that stuff tho.

I think Doom 2 2 will probably be better in this regard, though. They weren't sure that NuDoom would pay off; so better not go full out until it works.

>>4755509
>>4755510
escapes me how people compare the two simply because they share the arena concept. nudoom's arenas reminded me more of something like god of war, the pacing at which enemies spawn in and their location isn't remotely like in SS or PK.

>>4755540
Spotted the Newbie.
>Thinking Slaughtermaps are bad
How can one be such shit opinion? Infighting exists.

>>4755535
The constant interruptions in the form of forced, repetitive monster gauntlets gave it an awful pacing, same way it hurts it in D44m.

>>4755556
I didn't say slaughtermaps in general are bad.
But this one was awful.

>>4755560
>He doesn't rocket jump or explore the map for stupid shit including secret monster spawns
lol

>>4755223
Looking great ingame. Wanted to make my own lava texture for many years now, guess that's settles finally. Also, I had the stupid idea of making a smooth 20 frame animation, but now I suspect that'd just look way out of place. 8 frames works just right.

>talk about animation
>it's a still screenshot

>>4755365
Map 22 of Alien Vendetta.
Look out the window where the red skull key is.

Like that.

>>4755552
Doom 2 also had the computer skull shit

TFW I use the teleportation power up in Quake 3 and I accidentally kill one of my opponents.

>>4755567
Even D44M had more complex, less linear maps than Serious Sam with more stuff to explore.

>>4755497
More varied levels would be nice.
I'd love something along the lines of the more outlandish hell stuff from the original game. Stuff like fleshy walls and cracks showing a flowing river of the faces of damned souls. Also more wood paneling and some green marble.

>>4755509
I would agree that the lock-in arenas could be trimmed a lot. I don't think they're bad, but they're used far more than necessary, it makes progression extremely predictable.
>Gee, I wonder if this door is gonna slam shut behind me and I'll be made to fight a bunch of monsters before they let me out?

I would like a lot more free roaming or hiding monsters

>>4755497
For starters, too much reliance on arenas.

Second, too little variety - original Doom games occasionally had levels based around a single idea or gimmick (teleporter mazes, Crusher, Dead Simple, Barrels O'Fun, puzzle in Evilution's Last Call) to break up the pacing. In comparison, I've seen several people describe D44m's main campaign as getting repetitive after a while, and admitting to not finishing it because of that - because it's mostly just raw combat, combat, combat, and nothing else.

Third - I don't know if it's the WORST multiplayer Doom ever had, but it's close. Lesson is simple, don't outsource multiplayer of a Doom game to Call of Duty people.

Fourth - if we exclude Doom 64, Doom 4 has single WORST modding/user content support in entire history of the franchise. This is especially detestable as it happened when franchise is under Bethesda's wings, publisher that made it's entire reputation and fortune around moddable games. Pathetic.

Fifth and final - story. While the way story is told (relayed to the player) is amazing, the actual writing itself is very lackluster. I think original Doom had more interesting twists than Doom 4 - for example, the fact that the only way to get to Hell... is to die at end of episode 1, which is kinda cool - which then reveals what happened to the Deimos base, which is now stuck halfway between dimensions in an island floating above Hell itself - that entire part is more interesting than ANYTHING Doom 4 did. Similarly, Hell is more interesting in original 2 games - instead of generic realm of rock, bones and lava, it ALSO is either a bizarre castle of green marbles, or this gigeresque blend of machines and meat, which is kinda creepy sometimes.

>>4755556
There's good ways to do slaughter, and bad ways to do slaughter.
I haven't played the map in question, so I can't say, but there's legit reasons to dislike some slaughter maps.

>>4755583
>green marbles
Green marble, derp. Though now I wonder what a castle made of marbles would look like...

>>4755556
>le infighting solves everything meme
yeah let me just infight these 20 archviles that just spawned behind me.

>>4755583
I agree with pretty much all of this.

>>4755583
>>4755497
>>4755509
>>4755508
somebody compile these and throw it at the twitters or whatever.
>>4755580
>Serious sam
>Linear
I, too, like to complain about game I've never played.

>>4755583
That and bringing back Doomguy's face, so it won't be wasted on that mess of a game that is Quake Champions

>>4755594
The hell are you talking about? Serious Sam is bar none the most linear of the 90s classic FPS. It's extremely straightforward with monster gauntlet after monster gauntlet with the most shallow level design I've ever seen. Please don't tell me that you think "big wide areas" means "non-linear" by default.

I played both TFE and TSE, the latter spiced things up a bit more with gimmicks here and there like messing with gravity and making the floor slippery but that's it.

>>4755583
some of the mp stuff could work for a sp, like some of the weapons and levels

>>4755571
Oh, that. That's simpler than I expected, yes.

>>4755598
>Can go anywhere you like in any order you like; no forced order
>Linear
fuck are you smoking?

>>4755467
And GZDoom still doesn't have good multiplayer.

>>4755610
>>Can go anywhere you like in any order you like; no forced order
???
You have to go through room after room in a straightforward fashion, triggering combat events to progress. Hell once I accidentally bugged out and hopped over a wall which let me explore a whole level and I still couldn't exit because I had to go back and trigger the obligatory combat scenes I was forced to do to open a door or something. Non-linear my ass.

Why not just tell the D2 devs that Zandybam is where one should start when looking for potential Doom 2 multiplayer?

>>4755540
>>4755589
Looking at this guy play the map, I don't see anything egregious about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN3CLxIdEUg

I don't even like slaughter very much but I hardly see anything especially objectionable or stupid here.
Anon was right, you just gotta git gud.

>>4755615
>Literal first level of Second Encounter's demo
>Not one, not two, but EIGHT possible areas to go.
>Linear
You clearly have never played this game.

>>4755613
Noob question. Why can't they just copy+paste multiplayer code from zandronum?

>>4755589
>Standing where archviles can kill you
Holy fuck anon archviles are so easy you can punch them with no berserk.

I'd hate to see you play Sunder.

>>4755623
Code doesn't work like that. Even Code-Inept Retards like saris understood that

You can't do that.
Having said this though, ZandyBam is what they need to be pointed at for D2 multi

>>4755620
>eight
fucking what
you have to get the two golden lions to open up a door in the middle path, and this is the only way to progress
are you just utterly retarded

>>4755616
but i don't want them to make a megaman game

>>4755620
>Using the first and only non-linear level to say that SS is not linear

>>4755627
>are you just utterly retarded
Are you?
>Don't need to get the lions in any specific order
>Don't need to immidiately get the lions
>Several secrets dotted around the map
>Can easily travel back to your starting area
>Linear
What the fuck isn't linear to you, you vapid, self-absorbed cuntsucker?

>>4755632
I, too, like to complain about games I've never played.

>>4755628
you nigger i laughed

>>4755620
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBLMrxIl83E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXSfzI49mW8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmDsJtep_F0


Looks linear to me.

>>4755641
>Using snippets of corridor-room-corridor instead of the places which lead into a hub with several forking, branching paths
obviously it's going to be linear if you pick a linear segment.

>>4755635
>>Several secrets dotted around the map
>Can easily travel back to your starting area
Do you think linear means you can't go back to a starting area and zero secrets? What the hell? That's some desperation. Even games that are called linear like Final Hallway XIII have secrets.

>>4755645
you also seem to fail to note that you can skip most of this by design.
you only need 1 switch to get the ankh key in the first example

>>4755645
>it doesn't count if you post evidence of SS levels being linear!
Very nice. Also big areas are not open hubs. Usually it's just a big room that you still have to go through a specific location afterwards.

>>4755635
>I can go backwards on the line, therefore it's non-linear
okay you are utterly retarded, good to know

>>4755646
Do you think non-linear means Open World?
Non-Linear means there is no forced series of progression, route, or otherwise.
Kids these days.

>>4755624
>>Standing where archviles can kill you
Excuse me for not having clairvoyance, if I had played the level before maybe I could react to it accordingly and know that I have to quickly hide in that one spot I missed but no by the time I found out the first time I was already being flamed up.

Are there any wads based on Doom: Repercussions of Evil?

>>4755652
>Do you think non-linear means Open World?
No? When the hell did I say that? You on the other hand actually used "there's secrets" and "you can go back to the starting area" as arguments meaning you have no idea what non-linear means. Good job destroying your own credibility.

>>4755650
>>4755651
Bait this terrible should be sentenced by firing squad

>>4755652
>Non-Linear means there is no forced series of progression, route, or otherwise.
Serious Sam does the opposite of that though.>>4755641

>>4755659
You obviously clearly don't have any "credibility" on the subject either.

>>4755662
Except it doesn't. Try looking at the videos. It's the same fucking level design as DOOM except the areas are more open to facilitate stupid numbers of monsters.

>>4755661
>shit, they got me! better use the old /v/-tier tactic of calling them bait even though they're 100% right!
You're only making your side look worse and worse with every post. You will never convince people that Serious Sam isn't mostly linear.

>>4755664
Is that your best comeback?

>>4755670
>Using this shitty fallacy again
>I SAID ITS LINEAR THEREFORE ITS LINEAR HERE LET ME POST VIDEOS COMPLETELY CONTRADICTING WHAT I SAY AND STILL CALL IT LINEAR, THEN CALL YOU THE FAGGOT AND TRY THE OLD PRETENDING TO BE THE OTHER GUY IMPLICATION MEME
Nu-Channers need to get aids.

>>4755669
I did watch the videos, I saw a straightforward series of rooms with no varied level design whatsoever. Doom has far more varied, complex level design. The closest thing in Doom I can think of are boss levels themselves (e1m8, e2m8, e3m8).

>areas are more open
There you go again thinking that "big areas = non linear!".

>On monster arenas

They're alright as occasional "spice" to add to a level. I think Doom 4's "Foundry" map which seems to be everybody's favourite found the right balance . Later levels became annoying because you want to fight monsters differently, not just in arenas exclusively. Players can tell when an area is an arena, it removes suspense when they know the main combat is only arenas because when skulking around they know there will be little or no monsters so there's less engagement.

It also gives you a chance to have larger, more open encounters. The last part of Fuel Devourer (with the scientists) was a pretty awesome monster arena and a breath of fresh air. It came at the right time when the level's pace needed a change.

>>4755654
You know their attacks take a moment to set in, right? As soon as you hear the crackling flames and see them rise up above you, your first instinct should be to run behind something, you'll see where his line of sight stops because his flames stop following you.

Triangulating the position of an arch-vile (unless hidden in a particular way, like behind a fake wall or something else bullshit), is like the easiest part of fighting them.
Skillsaw is FAR more mean with his use of arch-viles than Erik Alm ever was.
I'm no pro-player either, I've never beat Plutonia, it's just basic tactics.

>>4755661
sorry you had to find out that the game which is defined by "enter room, fight monsters, exit room, follow hallway to next room" is linear
your best example against it was a level that is a line with two short spokes leading off of it; maybe you should stop

Meanwhile, what is actually non linear and nobody likes it:

>>4755674
What comeback?
You're a fucking retard if you think Sam is linear.

If sam was linear, you'd be forced to get the left lion, then the right lion, then go down the middle. You would not have the option or choice of where to go; and would be punished for doing things out of a specified order.

I swear most of you cunts are too young to be on /vr/ and only do it to be contrarian shitposters.

>>4755684
Hey now Hexen is fun. I was re-playing it with HND earlier and it's surprisingly good.

>>4755684
That's because it's actually strongly linear in reality but does a horrible job of telegraphing this to the player.

Non-linear is more like Duke Nukem 3D.

>>4755680
>I did watch the videos, I saw a straightforward series of rooms with no varied level design whatsoever.
>I did watch the videos
wanna know how I can tell you're full of shit?

>>4755678
>HERE LET ME POST VIDEOS COMPLETELY CONTRADICTING WHAT I SAY
But the videos prove that the game is linear? Hell there's even a post trying to defend the linearity here claiming it doesn't represent the game: >>4755645

Also, hypocrite, you're the one that used a fallacy here since all you did was throw an insult by claiming two posts explaining how you were wrong were bait and nothing else.

>>4755684
Nobody likes it because nobody fucking knows where to go.
>SOME VERY OBSCURE SWITCH IN THIS MAP IS ACCESSIBLE!
gee thanks asscunt mind telling me more?

>>4755119
i never noticed that

Drive's gun is better anyways

>>4755681
>You know their attacks take a moment to set in, right?
You know I often don't time to hide unless I knew about it beforehand, right? People wouldn't put an archvile traps if they were easy to escape from. Worse is when you have 20 chaingunners behind you where it's even harder to avoid damage if you didn't know about the trap beforehand.

>>4755692
Nice try samefag

>>4755686
>What comeback?
I explicitly pointed out why your definition of non-linear was flawed, it proves that you're arguing over a false belief since you're claiming SS is something that you don't even know the meaning of. Making this whole argument a joke.

>If sam was linear,
If Sam wasn't linear those videos wouldn't show how extremely straightforward the levels are.

>>4755691
see
>>4755692


>>4755702
So you're resorting to desperate accusations now?

>>4755701
I don't know, it sounds like you're making excuses.

Post maps

!Reminder!

This is how Doom should look like in 2018. Why are you still fucking these crappy pixels? It is 2018 now, not 1993, put some graphic mods.

>>4755710
Great post.

Also I've beaten Plutonia a billion times, nothing in that game comes remotely close to the shit I'm talking about because the closest thing to a slaughtermap is map32 which is actually one of the easiest maps since there's no traps iirc, you just peek, shoot, hide.

>>4755690
if we're gonna be counting "you can grab one lion before the other" as nonlinear, then hexen is very nonlinear because you can solve one sixth of the puzzle in many different orders!
y'know, despite the fact that the order you do them in doesn't change anything, and you're always going to be going through the same stuff to achieve the same goals in the same order
I mean damn, at least strife (which is mostly linear too) at least has the macil/spectre thing which introduces a bit of nonlinearity

Few levels in Serious Sam try to be more open with level designs, but honestly, they normally suck.

I think the only "open"-ish level I liked in all of Sam was in 3 where you were in a sandstorm i think and you had to collect some artifacts to progress. felt like the perfect combination of sam's constant horde battles and a doom-style exploration

>>4755701
>>4755719
So fucking stop making excuses and just do it.
You died. So fucking what.
War of Attrition is a major part of doom maps.
GIT
GUD
FAG

>>4755720
By that logic, non-linear does not exist in any way and the entire argument of non-linear vs linear should be completely disregarded unless the map has two or more exits which do not require the player to even actually play the map.

>>4755716
Wish SS had maps with interesting level design like this instead of either corridors or big rooms with nothing in them but monsters and pillars.

>>4755727
nice shitpost
how long did that one take you to copy-paste?

>>4755720
The worst part is that the only example he's defending is the least linear level in the game.

>>4755719
I don't know what to tell you dude, try harder.
I don't think that map looks much harder than any Plutonia map I can think of.

So, what's your favorite custom/non-official Doom enemy, /vr/?

Why would you play with pixel graphic in 2018 if can to not? Cmon

>>4755617
Alright I tried again.Went so much better now.
I still died several times but managed to go more fluid this time.
Still didn't manage to kill all those demons.
Anyway I still think this map is awful.

It's looks like a normal modern game now

>>4755739
I think the black monsters from colorful hell. They're a pretty nice challenge, actually kinda like it when one spawns.

>>4755742
>I still died several times
if this is your only complaint you'll hate real life

Made my ray caster projectiles support homing as well as bouncing. They only lack gravity and collision masking (being able to go through specific actors) right now.

They're +noblockmap, +nointeraction, non-projectiles with 0 velocity and and an unlimited top speed.

>>4755740
Why would you play with shitty polygons in 2018 if-
wait what the fuck is this even english?

>>4755759
>>4755748
>>4755740
least the textures don't look like shit as is every other texture wad

When you see a youtuber playing Extermination Day having fun with all the guts and blood on the floor and walls.
Finds an easter egg with Hdoom clips and starts acting disugsted.

>>4755757
It's actually not even worth replying that dude, he's trying too hard to make a bait that even replying with memes is not worth it.

>>4755765
to be fair who wouldn't be disgusted at hdoom when the maker wants to fuck daisy in bestiality?

>>4755753
Well yeah?
What I meant that I still died but managed to complete it better.
What's wrong with that?

>>4755768
I know, but what the fuck?
>if can to not
WHAT
H
A
T

>>4755761
He took them from here:
http://www.moddb.com/mods/hoover1979-ultrahd-doom-texture-pack

>>4755773
Nothing.
Now we get to laugh at and with(?) you.
Come back after trying a real slaughtermap, sir.

>>4755740
>>4755748
more detailed textures don't matter, when the overall geometry and architexture still looks blocky and flat
textures based on bringing a different art style would make more sense, which is why most of the games that age visually better are those that don't aim for a more realistic style

>>4755740
>garbage 3d models for monsters
>super high resolution textures slapped onto what's ultimately flat surfaces and super simple geometry, making it look like a photo wallpaper pasted onto drywall
Nah, I like the low resolution pixel graphics, they look far more natural and convincing.

That shit just looks like a Minecraft high res texture pack; obscenely ugly and killing whatever immersion there was.

>>4755781
Sorry mate,I'm not really in a good lately.
I'm not really into slaughtermaps.
Tried Sunder but I didn't like it.

>>4755748
It doesn't, because nobody makes levels with geometry like that in this day and age.

>>4755782
>>4755783
most of this could be fixed if those fuckwits had a bumpmapping texture instead of just the flat texture.
that alone would make them fit better.

>>4755775
He's russian

>>4755768
He's actually already have been continously baiting in the doom threads on russian 2ch for like two weeks.
Like, it's his actual belief that pixels are evil and must be purged.
And yet he still hates Brutal Doom

Also he likes to just play on multiplayer maps with bots instead playing normal wads.

>>4755756
That shit looks wild, how does the code work?

>>4755789
You're right. Most levels are a literal line

>>4755759
what wad

>>4755759
This almost looks better than the other screenshots, because the geometry is more advanced, which makes the textures look a lot less flat, which illustrates my point; you can't just up the resolution on the texture when the geometry of the object has such low definition, it'll make it look less real.

>>4755718
what map

>>4755779
statement redacted

>>4755772
>who wouldn't be disgusted at hdoom when the maker wants to fuck daisy in bestiality?
Eh?
As far as I know the secret was just random Hdoom animation.

>>4755803
It still could use some bumpmapping because it's a flat texture.

>>4755810
mike12 shits on that one dude for his fetishes, but literally wants to fuck the rabbit.
there's threads specifically for this purpose on /trash/ all the time

>>4755740
>if can to not?

lolwut

Serious Sam feels linear because you're constantly locked in rooms and the only way to open the way forward is by fighting a horde of monsters.

>>4755817
Do you have a screenshot of that?Or a link of the thread you are talking about?

All I know is that Mike likes to mess around and posts monster girls and hentai on his twitter but not beastality.

Downloaded an Astartes model.And these are all the skins.
Which one is the best and the worst to you?

When you download a cool looking skin/model but there is not bot for it.

>>4755830
https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/15338442/#15338442
I really don't think we get a say on that person's artistic favors of vore and fatfur faggotry and the like when there are people in this very thread that want to fuck the rabbit as the rabbit.

>>4755796
The projectile calls LineTrace which is basically a hitscan attack with it's speed as maximum distance. If it doesn't hit anything it moves [speed] forward, otherwise it moves to where the trace hit. The bouncing and homing is a bunch of fluff around that basic function.

I just realized I'll need to rework it a bit for gravity to be possible though.

>>4755849
There are likely many more similar threads and it's a common occurrence in the 'bunday' threads.
I'm too lazy to go find them all.
Point is; Xenofaggot doesn't force his shitty fetishes into maps unless it makes sense to do so; and even then is extremely against doing so unless the map-theme demands it.
Mike12 does and made an entire TC to force his fetishes into Doom.

how's hexen's expansion compared to the main game?

>>4755849
>MFW I've already seen those images before.
Well thanks anyway.
I'm not sure that is Mike himself. That could be anyone.

If you want a furry rabbit in a Doom marine armor that's your business.
But an actual rabbit,just no.

>>4755863
As far as I remember Deathkings feels like it was made by someone who thought "Hexen didn't drive me crazy enough, I wonder how much more frustrating I could make this?" Then again I played it years ago.

>>4755864
Either or; it's worth noting the next time he pipes up, that he really doesn't get a say on people's attractions, sexual or not; when he outright made HDoom, to satisfy his own fetishes
I am not the villain of this tale.

whatever happened to that hexen souls/bloodborne guy?

>>4755867
At least Hdoom is about fucking demons rather than guro or shit like that.Considering that's Doom.
I'll take the guy who wants to go Quad Damage in Sorlag rather than the one who gets a turn on for blood and guts.

>>4755879
>Quad Damage
now wait how does this work for a sexual joke

Also that's true. Mark's a twat.

I just don't get why people shit on that-one-guy's "vore/hell mouths" in maps, when several other mappers have done so (jimmy, ribbiks, mouldy, etc.) and nobody flinched- or outright praised those details.

>>4755885
I don't know I just wanted to slip(gate) a Quake reference in there.

Btw,vore maps? Those exist? IIRC there is a map in Quake 3 where you technically enter in a monster mouth.

>>4755892
There's multiple maps in some wads where the level is inside of some horrible hell-beast or just the aforementioned mouth. When anybody but that one guy does it, nobody cares. But when he does it? Everybody in the community has a fit.

>>4755093
It just shoots one shell.

Japan no!

>>4755817
>on that one dude

what dude?

>>4755862

And why are you bringing that guy in the first place?

This isn't boding really well.

>>4755897
Hell, mouldy has FIVE maps with vore, four in Going Down, three of those being the main focus; and nobody cares.

>>4755906
We all know who he is and who he's talking about.

>>4755906
You really want to summon the xenofag and have the shitposting memers that prey on him show up, thus fucking up the thread?

>>4755897
If the level design is good I don't see the issue.
I know that vore is really fucking weird.
But if it's meant to be horrifying,what's all the fuss?
I'm not into vore,but people just overreact in certain things.

>>4755913
Level design being good is subjective, though.
Many who go on to make their own maps see everything else as complete and utter shit, even when it's not.

>>4755913
When the hell were scary-ass mouths and skull-fortresses considered unacceptable in doom maps? Honestly.

>>4755908
>>4755909

I genuinely just said that this is an oddly specific and suspicious kind of discussion we're having right now, and yeah, these replies are kinda reassuring of what I said. Maybe it's for the best if we kill it dead and move on.

>>4755918
Because people see you enter in some place which is basically an entrance in a monster mouth,regardless if it's an actual monster or a castle and they all go "hurr durr.....vore you sick fuck"

To be honest I don't understand this fetish but I'll take a "vore map" over a Terry wad any day.

>>4755927
It's still retro vidya.
It's still discussing map design.
It's still discussing an extremely common retro videogame trope.
Cool thine jets, knave!

>>4755930
What people fail to understand is that fetishes are not always explicitly sexual.

>>4755862
>Xenofaggot doesn't force his shitty fetishes into maps unless it makes sense to do so
every single fucking map he made contained a big monster mouth you had to enter to progress
fuck outta here with that bullshit

>>4755936
Do you mind showing an example anon?

Does this technically counts as vore?

>>4755945
i don't keep other people's fap materials on my computer, so i can't
you're free to go through the archives to find some yourself though
assuming "xenofaggot" is sarais, and not some other degenerate fuck i don't know about

>>4755945
Don't respond to him. We just discussed this.

>>4755950
So in other words you're full of shit and just hate the person in question.
>>4755949
Yes

>>4755909
>You really want to summon

i'm afraid we're a wee bit late for that

>>4755182
>3D models
Wot

>>4755952
no, i just don't have any of his shitty maps on my computer, nor am i about to go find them again myself just to prove a point to some historical revisionist on an anonymous imageboard
he fucking showed this shit off whenever he was making a map, if you weren't present for that why would you talk like you know anything?

Don't respond.

>>4755959
Yep, this. The way he talks like an angry child spouting insults and thinking he's cool for swearing all the time makes it obvious.

>>4755964
Aye. Obvious troll. Xenofag has his issues but let's not make up stories just to shitsmear them; they do that enough themselves; if the JOM4 dogpile is any indication.

>>4755197
That's silly and I love it. I wonder if the gun spinning in DUSK takes inspiration from that.

>>4755849
Daisy wad, when?!

>Shits on people for being degenerate
>On fucking 4chan where absolutely everyone is a degenerate

>>4755952
Different guy, but I dislike him because every time I see him, he's very passive aggressive, confrontational, shitposts, and picks fights, making things center around him at any cost. Whenever he tries to make maps, he has a decent idea, but then has big problems with most criticism, he doesn't take anything constructive to heart, making it personal. I don't know what his problem is or who he has a beef with, but I like it when he's not here because the threads always turn shitty when he is. Maybe that isn't what you want to hear, but that's how I feel about him, he's unpleasant.

>>4755974
a wad where you play as daisy probably exists already in some form considering the skin

>>4755980
You're literally responding to him right now. Stop and wait for the janitor.

>>4755718
>still has primitive looking imp models
>current year meme

>>4755980
All you said is fair, but several things tend to come into account, as he's stated several times that he's tried to help keep the threads clean of shitposting faggots. His behavior in this regard of passive-agressive nature is no doubt from a lifetime of putting up with people's bullshit, and he's likely entirely sick of it. I'm sure anybody would have problems with criticism if the person in question was using the criticism as an excuse just to attack them over the internet; indeed calling someone a complete fucking faggot that should kill himself and then only stating something incredibly vague that the mapper has absolutely zero clue what the person is talking about would cause the person in question to readily disregard anybody who does the same; even if it's genuine criticism or not. Many people speak of the typical "treat others how you wish to be treated" and it's seemingly quite clear from a psychological perspective that he's been treated like shit in several places; ontop of his own failings of others, harming or hurting things they've cared about; so they act like a complete asshole so nobody gets close to them. I don't know; I have to argue most on the "doesn't take anything to heart" because you can tell he slaves away on these things because he loved the community despite the feeling not being mutual, when he could just as readily be like DKG or any other number of deliberate shitposters in this thread goading him into having another shitfest.
He himself has stated his maps were fairly shit; but could never figure out why; as from his point of view, he's just doing what he has seen everybody else do; so when he asks for help and some smug """""""intellectual""""" just copy-pastes him to the wiki; when this is likely the first place he checked and failed to understand it; is entirely logical to frustrate one to the point of sheer desperation that we've seen him display in several prior instances.

>>4755986
He didn't even bother to adjust the ratio.
What

>>4755984
Switching tactics are we?

>>4755903
The manji is a symbol of luck to the Japanese, dating back centuries and centuries, and their public conscious has an extremely poor grasp on what went on in Europe in WW2, the era is mostly remembered as a war with China and America.
A lot of Nips will just not understand the western context, they don't interpret it as offensive, as the collective Japanese people didn't experience anything related to it that was an atrocity (like Europe did), seeing a Nazi Uniform they're far more likely to link it to some kind of Japanese pop culture thing which used some of those aesthetics, rather than actual European history.

It's kind of how the thumbs up finger gesture means 'ok' or 'good' in most of the western world, but in other places it can mean "Up yours!" or "Go fuck yourself!".

Can I have that Webm that compares damage of vanilla chaingunner vs Brutal chaingunner please?

Favourite remixes of classic FPS songs?
Here's one of mine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2lvUMF1wto

>>4756003
> thumbs up finger gesture means 'ok' or 'good' in most of the western world, but in other places it can mean "Up yours!" or "Go fuck yourself!".
What does the "middle finger" gesture mean there then?

>*José Gonzalez - Heartbeats intensifies*

>>4756010
The inverse.

>>4756010
I don't know, would depend on the place, though flipping the middle finger has been featured a lot in all kinds of widely exported entertainment and media for a long time, so I expect that anywhere you can find printed works, TV or the internet, there's a good chance people will interpret it as we do.

>>4756012
Give them a trail effect of the impact frames of the fireball, at like 2 or even 1 tic per frame, at fullbright.

>>4756010
Flipping someone off has probably a single universal meaning at this point

Have to admit I was skeptical on Universal Gibs gore.
But now it looks great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG_oiVFhsqg

Oh bugger off, Vore fetishists don't have a monopoly on giant mouth motifs since this shit has been around for a very long time and is a genuinely cool aesthetic.

Just because a few randos have been getting horny off this stuff for the last 10-20 years doesn't suddenly make it theirs.

>>4756023
Like this or persistent trails?

>>4756010
Everybody knows what the middle finger means, but other nations can have what amounts to another version of the middle finger.

Thumbs up can mean a similar thing in Greece.
Putting all the fingers of one hand together, then using your index finger of the other hand to point to aforementioned finger cluster means "your mothers a whore" in various middle eastern countries.
The "Ok" sign is a flipping off variant in Brazil.

>>4756048
That's right.
Something is someone fetish.
Even if it seems impossible,that's a fact.

>>4756008
Fuck, that's good.

I wish someone made a synthwave remix of Doom soundtrack. Come on, it's begging for it.
>And it would work as an actual soundtrack to play in Doom, because fully-featured metal is too distracting because it sounds too much like gunfire, which makes gameplay less fluid

>>4756010
Middle finger looks like a dick and balls, and dicks look mostly the same everywhere.

>>4756065
Broslice, I've been listening to New Retro Wave in Doom for years.
It's absolutely fitting, depending on the music and mood it can be pretty wild.

Try these in your next fast paced ultraviolence game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFfybn_W8Ak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy9r2qeouiQ

>>4756064
>>4756048
This. Absolutely everything is a fetish.

>>4756065
Something like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfU6MeP5Fq0

>>4756048
Fucking thank you. This is the point that I and many others have tried to make.

>>4756064
>>4756072
That guy who's beating it to floor tiles probably still browses /v/.

>>4756064
Cringe culture is a mental illness.

>>4756079
I had almost forgotten about that glorious bastard. God I miss Tilefucker

>>4756075
Oh HELL FUCKING YES.
Thank you for showing me that.

>>4756068
> dicks look mostly the same everywhere
Yeah, except japan, where dicks look like pixels

>>4756081
No, you don't say?

>>4756079
Unironically one of the best threads in the history of /v/, maybe even all of 4chan.

For those not in the know, read the image. It just get's better the more you read it.

>>4756085
You should try to download the Hotline Miami music pack.
Not Doom feel,but still sweet sythwave.

>>4756079
>>4756083
>>4756092
I wonder if Terrarianon is still around?

another classic thread

>>4756104
Which is pure bullshit.

>>4756090
Hate to admit but I was one of those who loved The cringe channel back then like 3 years ago.
Some weren't too bad,a lot of them were legitimately bad to look at.

Now the word cringe is mostly used for things people don't like. Like those object labeling and exploitable webcomics memes.

A fetishist is better than all cringe culture for me.

Hope this kind of crap doesn't reach the Doom fanbase.

>>4756096
Probably
>building anything more than commieblocks and having to deal with the insufferable autistic builderfags on the official terraria forums who hate any suggestion that remotely resembles fun, entertaining, and engaging gameplay
lmaoing.
>>4756105
disprove yourself

>>4756096
>>4756092
Shit like this is exactly why normies are not welcome to have cultural dominance on 4chan, because it means we'll never see shit like this. We all have to let inner whacko-ness come out around places like this and it's just so bloody fascinating and hilarious instead of "lol i played a prank on my room mate guys!" level garbage.

>>4756120
4chan is full of normal fags these days.This thread might not be perfect but at least it's not /v/ or /pol/.

>>4756124
>>4756120
Somebody make these men a trophy.

>>4756124
That isn't so much what I mean, I have misspoken. It's more that that stuff is welcome/encouraged because everybody loves to laugh at it and you can only really get it when people are anonymous and able to go more to off the beaten track places like 4chan, which many people still think is full of hackers on steroids.

There's not enough autism here really though, we'd have to go to /g/ if we wanted to find some fast. Also it's not like every thread of every board is purely about whacky shit like the tiles guy, bless his heart.

>never played doom before today
>friend urges me to try it, directs me to this thread and the infographic for advice
>now instead of studying for finals i'm killing demons and zombies with my shotgun
this game is so goddamn addicting

>>4756120
Normies are the most fucking vile, disgusting thing I've ever witnessed, and this is coming from somebody that's seen the bronies, furries, and all other manner of cancer.

At least furries had the decency of existing since the dawn of humanity; unlike bronyfags and faux-weeaboos.

>>4756134
Bronies decreased in popularity and so far they're not that bad.
Weeaboos are still scumbags,they're as bad as ironic anime fans these days.

>>4756131
I have fond memories of taking a bunch of adderall for study and instead spending it blasting away in Doom. Or finishing early and finishing myself off in Doom.

>>4756134
They're just fucking boring, painfully, agonizingly boring. They're like this herd of frightened, easily amused lemmings that go from one shiny thing to the next, diluting everything that made it cool and unique until it's more friendly to themselves because "shun the non conformer!" or until it's utterly commercialized, then they go to the next thing and shit up that.

Furries, Bronies and Weebs can all take shit pretty decently and it can be pretty funny to watch. Normies have what......sport? Favourite shitty late night comedy shows? Overwatch?
Who cares.

There will always be their kind and such but lately they're trying to crush into cultural spaces to make them more for themselves because they suck at making things on their own.

>>4756136
Bronies seem to have spawned the current waves of extreme-political-correctness though.
And yes, weeaboos are indeed scumbags; you need look no further than this thread or anywhere else in the community for proof of this.

>>4756131
Man I wish I had friends like you. Every time I tried to get someone into doom, they'd always complain that it was too hard to set up, even though I sent them the infographic and other details. Either that or they'd complain about how outdated it looked. Fuck.

I like to imagine the Doom 3 marine and the Doom Slayer as two different "split" directions on the Doomguy where one is the "Doomed survivor" and the other is the "Doom bringer".

>>4756139
True, true. Then you have them going "omg emojiiis!!!!!" and "guise heres my camwhore reaction video!" shit.
For fuck sakes; we used to call them EMOTICONS or SMILEYS, not this.... babytalk "emojii" shit.

>>4756120
On the other hand, "normies" already do. Just look at the average /v/ thread and try to distinguish it from the average h3h3 comments or tardbook meme page.

>>4756112
It doesn't help what kind of person actively browses cringe content related spaces these days.

I'll give you a hint, they usually visit /a/, /co/, /tv/ or /v/, they think Shadman and Vim are the best artists in the lewd business, and certain games franchises, companies or even games related hobbies are literally impossible to discuss without them wonking out and spouting the same tired memes.

>>4756140
>Bronies seem to have spawned the current waves of extreme-political-correctness though.
Really? I'm one, and I've never seen that sort of thing. If anything, the extreme-political-correctness people hate us for "appropriating" something that belongs to girls.

>>4756095
Huh, didn't know that exists. Thanks!

>>4756141
At least they know about it.
To me it was always a miracle if they anything but the latest hot popular game.

>>4756104
I’m not reading all this, but if it has to do something with that “the bots just stay in place” then it’s been disproven.

>>4756148
Pretty damn sure; They have the same behavior and tactics; yet like all socjus, can't do what they preach without violating everything they stand for.
We're really getting off-topic here, but this needs to be said

>>4756157
>unironically using the term socjus

don't worry, not only will this get deleted anyway but you'll get banned for being underage as well

>Using a word you don't like is now considered underage
Back in my day, there was effort put into these awful shitposts.

>>4756141
Man, you have some 40 IQ friends. I guess dragging a couple of files into an executable is hard now for the average normalfag.

>>4756147
>impossible to discuss without them wonking out and spouting the same tired memes.
In fact because of 4chan and people who love memes where they basically insult a certain group I started to despise Wojaks.
Sometimes I don't even want to talk about Nintendo here because I fear someone will bring that goddamn Nu-male smile image.

OFF TOPIC

>>4756167
OKAY ANON. I FUCKING LOVE FINAL DOOMER!

Backseat moderation is against the rules.

>>4756159
Yeah okay Mr. Hall Monitor wannabe.

>>4756171
he's right you know

>>4756161
truth hurts doesn't it /v/edditor?

>>4756176
>>4756167
>>4755984
>>4755957
>>4755950
>>4755936

samefag spotted; please inform janitorial services to clean up the sentient pile of dogshit.

Can someone explain me why Avp 2 is nowhere to be found?
It's not on Gog or Steam and physical copies are hard to find.
Why 1 and 3 are easy to find but not this one?

>>4756182
Because...
...
????

>>4756180
>L I T E R A L L Y no argument

>>4756182
Probably licensing reasons as to why it's not on Steam or GOG.

>>4756095
try synthdoom

>>4756186
For somebody to "Have an argument" would imply there's an argument from either party in the first place. You're acting like a complete piff.

>>4756164
>Sometimes I don't even want to talk about Nintendo here because I fear someone will bring that goddamn Nu-male smile image.
Shit like this is why I can't stand the faster boards on this website. No discussion, just shitty forced memes spouted by underages who will call you a newfag if you try to retort.

>>4756092
Oh, wow
I've never seen the SOME TIME LATER part
This is glorious

>>4756104
Wha... That's it?
Ends kinda abruptly
But this is just fascinating.

https://twitter.com/SlappyCromwell/status/992842035056046080

>>4756060
Yeah, that looks lively, maybe add slight translucency to it, and give them the dynamic light back.

>>4755994
>he
>him
>he
>him
how can you be this fucking obvious

>>4756207
They're only for testing the projectile code really. But now I do want to add a flag for allowing projectiles to roll along the floor rather than trace-bounce if they hit at a shallow angle and low velocity.

>>4756212
Whatever you say, anon.

>>4756182
Here it is:
https://www.old-games.ru/game/download/2118.html

Is /doom/ so bad that every thread needs half the posts deleted?

>>4755849

So what guy is Mike supposed to be, the Anonymous one?

>>4756224
only when s'arais comes in talking about how bronies aren't so bad and poor little innocent him did nothing wrong

>>4756224
Shitters have been ruining the thread completely for weeks and only now is any signifigant action being taken.

>>4756228
>Shitters have been ruining the thread completely for weeks
no, the thread has been fine for weeks, the worst that's been happening is people disagreeing with each other and also happening to say "nigger" and "faggot"

the only issue is that we've had an influx of hall monitors and vagueposters whining about things

this is actual off-topic shitposting, for once

>>4756234
This is true.
You have aspiring culture cops who get told to hit the bricks and suddenly take this as a "oh whoa guys there's a' trouble brewin here!" and they sail off into dingbat land.

>>4756239
> aspiring culture cops

You are literally posting on 4chan.

>>4756224
4chan as a whole

i was just in /hbg/ on /vg/ and it's the same shit. it's as if no one wants to talk about the topic the general is about

>>4756242
that's correct, this is 4chan, what does that have to do with anything he said?

>>4756248
That he doesn't have any fucking room to talk.

>>4756249
why not?

>>4756251
You know why.

>>4755514
Duke Nukem's pistol is very useful if you turn the auto aim on (and it's the way the game is supposed to be played). Nothing can match it on distant stayput or turret style enemies.

Doom's pistol look like a toy, and it's completely useless in every aspect.

>>4756254
use words, faggot, make a post and explain exactly what you mean

don't whimper in a corner with "y-y-you know...that thing..." like your point is implicitly made, it just makes you look like a spineless shitheel

>>4755487
Actually I was thinking of reworking it for a gears of war kinda reloading scheme.
> Fire gun, it recoils backwards with an awkward delay before reloading off screen like it does in quake.
> Except if you hit Altfire during a narrow window of time the awkward delay is skipped and it just reloads immediately. Overall maybe slightly faster than the SSG normally fires, but if you dont hit Altfire in time it takes longer than usual to fire the gun.

>>4756182
>little fox logo in the corner
I'm assuming copyright clusterfuck. That's usually the answer.

>>4756260
he's saying people on 4chan loves telling people what pronouns to use

just report and move on. if it's not doom or retro fps, report it. we have amazing mods.
fuck, report my post too cause it's not doom

>>4756258
GG

>>4756265
>>>/co/

Ranger family photo in QC reminded me that even Blazkowicz had a photo with a real life actor.

>>4756271
Notice how this comic is only posted when extreme fa/gg/ottry rears its head.

>>4756275
>when extreme fa/gg/ottry rears its head.
Explain?
What exactly /g/ related has transpired?

>>4756279
It's a reference to a scandal perpetuated by exactly the same kind of paranoid dipshit who usually posts on /g/ in the first place.

>>4756281
So you're trying to blame Gamergate for what's been going on in /doom/ lately.
Okay.

Holy shit, I've seen some far reaching before but fucking wow.

>>4756269
/co/'s the one place where this doesn't happen since they're full blown tumblr

>>4756281
This is the most useless post I've seen here in a while. You're a detriment to this board and these generals, your attitude is just generally shitty and unwelcome in a community that thrives on users contributing to the experience of using Doom.

Just get lost.

wew lad