/vr/ - Retro Games

Sega Model 2 was shit.

Lel

Sega Model 2 was fucking awesome. Coming home from the arcade and then having to playstation crap was a little brutal though.

Sega Model 2 was fucking awesome. Coming home from the arcade and then having to play playstation crap was a little brutal though.

Zero Gunner is fucking rad. My favorite is always Sega Rally though.

Blob

So, how good is the Rail Chase 2 emulation on the latest version of MAME compared to the Model 2 emulator? My pc is very old and can barely run it at 10fps or even less than that to check it myself

Daytona USA
Virtua Fighter 2
Virtua Cop
Virtua Cop 2
Sega Rally Championship
Gun Blade NY
House of the Dead
Last Bronx
Sega Touring Car Championship
Dead or Alive
Fighting Vipers

Model 2 is loaded with racing, 3D fighting and light gun classics.

I love everything about the hardware. 60fps on everything, clean 3D textured mapped quadraltareal polygon graphics with texture correction and z-buffering.

>>4744314
model 2 was a nice platform. zero gunner was ok.

Im really fond of the original DOA. I really wish the arcade model 2 version got a home port. I mean I love the saturn version too but the model 2 version was nuts for a board that old

Hows Model 2 emulation these days?

I have a The House of the Dead cab with a VC2 board to swap in when I feel like it. Other than that, I don't have any other Model 2 games.

>>4748721

There's a dedicated Model 2 emulator that works quite well. It's closed source and hasn't been updated in about 5 years, though. No shader support or anything like that.

Model 2 emulation in MAME is still pretty much preliminary.

>>4748721
Decent, using Model 2 emulator.

>>4748721
Same as it has been for the last few years

>>4748721
Model 2 emulation in mame got a huge boost lately. It's still not as good as the dedicated emu but it's a lot better.

Many Sega legends were born on it, including Daytona USA obviously. While it's hard to appreciate the games and the hardware if you never played it back in the day; that's when it stood out. At the time of release, the PlayStation nor the Saturn or even the N64 were released yet. The Model 2, along with the Model 3, were the last arcade system boards to be significantly more powerful over home consoles of the time.

Apart from the usuals like Daytona, Virtua Fighter 2, Sega Rally and others, my personal favorite is Fighting Vipers. It's basically a grab-bag of the 90s with the nice colors, character design and over the top mechanics. It's Virtua Fighter with a broken tachometer. Tons of secrets inside, and lots of goodies on the relatively amazing home port; while the graphics didn't compare obviously, the frame rate was still a solid 60FPS and the gameplay logic was pretty much identical, a great port.

Pic related is one of the infamous secrets; if you win 100 times as Honey, and her armor gets destroyed (you can intentionally destroy it by quickly pressing F, B, F, B, P+K+G), she loses her skirt, too. Somebody at AM2 had a huge infatuation with her for something like this to exist, and I can definitely sympathize with whoever it was; she's like total fetish incarnate for me. I wish I knew; whoever's idea it was needs to come out of the closet so he can get kudos for it.

This game was pretty serious business back in its day; big events and competitions for it, even a cosplay contest of sorts for Honey:

https://youtu.be/HbOG5ljEEMM

>>4750108

Honey has a rather interesting history.

>>4744314
So much quality shit.

>>4746793
Yeah, it kinda sucks that DOA1 in DOA Ultimate was just a spruced up Saturn port and not a perfect M2 port, but hey, less work for them to do.

>>4750275

It's a just shame that it's forever lost to the arcades. The saturn version is one my favorites on the system but the arcade version, while not without it's own faults, is absolutely stunning and would have made a nice extra. Those fully 3D backgrounds where amazing.

>>4750294
>It's a just shame that it's forever lost to the arcades. The saturn version is one my favorites on the system but the arcade version, while not without it's own faults, is absolutely stunning and would have made a nice extra. Those fully 3D backgrounds where amazing.

Gotta love those over-exaggerated bouncy quadrilateral tits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuB257jVvaQ

But seriously. The model 2 version is a damn good fighting game. Maybe not Virtua Fighter 2 good, IMO. But still a really solid 32bit fighting game in its own right.

>>4750308

I think it really shows how impressive the model 2 really was. That's a game from 1996 running on hardware from 1993. Even the early Tekken's don't look near as good.

The saturn port is still really fun though. Can't say I was ever a huge fan of the PS1 version though. The extra characters and costumes are nice but the HUD is ugly and the backgrounds and music are worse and I can't really put my finger on it but the gameplay doesn't feel quite as good either. It's an okay game by all accounts I suppose it just doesn't really have that OOMF the saturn or arcade did.

>>4750336
>I think it really shows how impressive the model 2 really was. That's a game from 1996 running on hardware from 1993. Even the early Tekken's don't look near as good.

The arcade game was released months after Sega's Virtua Fighter 3 on Model 3 hardware. dead or Alive wasn't the best looking arcade 3D fighter of that year. But for a Model 2 game, it still looks really good.

Model 2 was beast arcade hardware for 1993. It felt like it was a generation ahead of everything else. Seeing Daytona USA in 1994 in the arcades was mind blowing.

Model 2 aged really well for early 3D hardware.

>>4744314
House of the Dead & Daytona were always my go to games at the arcade in the bowling alley.

>>4750336
I disliked how they tried to make the PS1 version look like Tekken as much as possible, right down to the hit spark effect.

>>4750409

It's just a weird thing to do especially considering the Saturn version actually looks better still.

>>4750450
>It's just a weird thing to do especially considering the Saturn version actually looks better still.

The Saturn has a good home port of the arcade game. Yeah the models are lower poly, and the 3D backgrounds are missing and replaced with 2D parallax scrolling backdrops. But it runs in the Saturn High resolution mode and at 60fps like Virtua Fighter 2.

The way the Playstation renders polygons is different from the Sega Saturn, so I guess they modeled them differently for the different hardware. But I wasn't a fan of the blander looking environments. Not a fan of the way the PS1 port looks either.

>>4750450
>It's just a weird thing to do especially considering the Saturn version actually looks better still.

The Saturn does have a really good home port of the arcade game. Yeah the models are lower poly, and the 3D backgrounds are missing and replaced with 2D parallax scrolling backdrops. But it runs in the Saturn High resolution mode and at 60fps like Virtua Fighter 2. It plays really well.

The way the Playstation renders polygons is different from the Sega Saturn, so I guess they modeled them differently. But, maybe they wanted to appeal more to the Tekken crowd on the PS1? I wasn't a fan of the blander looking environments in the PS1 game either.

I prefer the Saturn game as well.

Cyber Troopers Virtual-On is an incredible Model 2 fighting game as well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0vDA34lcM0

I also put a lot of money into Top Skater back in the day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SGQnUj5duQ

Model 2 is GOAT tier arcade hardware.

Model 3 was good as well.
>VF3
>Virtual On
>Sega Bass Fishing
>Daytona 2
>Scud Race
>Sega Rally 2
>The Lost World: Jurassic Park

>>4752089
>2018
>still no arcade-perfect home port
Oh well. The Dreamcast port is sufficient, I guess. Admirable for a rush job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJsdwrrOoTg

>>4752089
damn that looks great. why even play games past the dreamcast, graphics peaked at the end of 5th gen and transitioning into 6th

>>4752089

I never got to play a lot of Model 3 games. I can't even think of why I just overlooked them

>>4752238
>damn that looks great. why even play games past the dreamcast, graphics peaked at the end of 5th gen and transitioning into 6th

It wasn't a terrible Dreamcast port, to be honest. I think it had a few small issues, but it was a pretty accurate port, regardless.

I would love to see the proper Model 3 game get an official re-release though.

>>4752089

>>4744314
The Model 2 was brilliant. I loved the look of the games. A bit low-poly, but loads better than anything you had at home at the time, and it ran way smoother. Fairly hi-res textures. Hi-res (well, medium res) graphics. Amazing piece of kit.

kinda wish it supported gouraud shading, some of the later games do look a bit naff next to the immediate competition just because of that, although the Model 2 games still seemed to have better looking textures

>>4750336
Tekken was deliberately released on shit, low-budget PS1-in-a-cab hardware to undercut the expensive Model 2 releases like VF2. Tekken was never in the running for graphics.
really, Namco had seen how much it'd worked and largely abandoned their expensive System series of hardware in favor of PS1 variants

>>4752089
I'm still mad Daytona 2 or Scud Race never got a home release.

>>4752209
Huh. This is running smoother on the DC than I remember it.

>>4752209

Man what is up with those costumes.

>>4744405
Care to explain why?

>>4755875
He's obviously shitposting.

>playing Daytona and Sega Rally on the arcade
>Store guy: hey kid, you are too young to use the wheel, you need to leave after you lose
>go play VF1 and 2 in another place
>store guy: hey kid, arcades are for only 16 and some games 18 only, leave

Fucking hell. I could never play often because of this shit. When I reached 16 the arcades were dying here, no wonder, only adults or teenagers on drugs could hang in there and the adults wanted to play billiards. Fuck my country

>>4750108
>still no Fighters Megamix digital version

That was the best fighting game in the system. The FV characters were damn fun to use

>>4752089
>1996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihBCn5hfOJQ

>>4748729
Yeah, although it sucks that you can't calibrate the gun in Behind Enemy Lines if you don't have two mice

derp

Sky Target is freaking awesome

>>4756073
>The FV characters were damn fun to use

Fighters Megamix was like a grabbag of every single AM2 fighting game up to that point. The Virtua Fighter 2 cast has their Virtua Fighter 3 move sets as well as the dodge move.

The walled areas and armor breaking gameplay of Fighting Vipers is there as well.

The game features characters from Virtua Cop, Sonic the Fighters, Daytona, Virtua Fighter Kids version of VF2 characters, Rent-A-Hero and even one character that was cut from the original Virtua Fighter.

It's AM2 goodness, and one of the best 3D fighters on the Saturn.

>>4758819
The sidestep/dodge mechanic made Akira better than i thought it would. Janet(based on a new character for VF3 i didnt know at the time) and Hero were neat. Weird shit like Daytona Car, the meat and the Palmtree were hilarious fun
Game also had themes from VF3 and one of Shenmue(remix version)
The only thing missing in the game was at least Sonic playable since that Sonic fighting game was released before this.

>>4752209
This was rushed for launch AND made on an unfinished devkit. All things considered Genki gets way too much shit for the port.

>>4754728
>This is running smoother on the DC than I remember it.
It is silky smooth 60fps with zero dips, looks incredible btw. Sega Rally 2 is the one that had borked framerate.

>>4760064
>and one of Shenmue(remix version)
Holy shit, did it really? I had Fighters Megamix back in the day and I never saw anything like that. Then again, it was before I played Shenmue so that may be why I never noticed it.

>>4756073
Where did you live that had arcade owners like that?

>>4754728
You can race on the Daytona 2 tracks in Outrun 2. However it's only the challenge stage and you can't pick the individual tracks.

>>4760218
Forgot about it doing something similar for the Scud Race/Super GT tracks. With some details removed, which says a lot about how good Model 3 is.

>>4760180
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaHhrCt-eX8
Only realized around Shenmue 2 because it starts with her theme and then gives vibes of Kowloon.

>>4760202
Portugal. Arcades were very small places with older owners who wanted to play by the rules and get easy cash without taking much shit. So that happened to me often until i gave up, but even the teenagers(around 16) if they got sighlty excited with games like talking loud or a bit noisy the owner at 2nd warning would tell them to leave, if didnt worked then he would plug off the machine. Obviously those places were killed fast since the owners acted like that.
The few arcade machines that survived were either on malls or fast food places with security that would tell you to leave because "your a minor, you cannot play, see that tag over, no fun allowed under 16"
Because of that it was very hard for me to play on the arcades as a kid. The few times i visited Spain and France never had that shit happen, even the few times i played slot machines they didnt cared.

>>4760251
In American arcades there could be people getting stabbed or 5 year olds smoking crack and the owner wouldn't do shit kek.

Dio

>>4760251
Man, Portugal sounds like a shithole