/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4724804
you grabbed this image from reddit. I know this cause I too browse the front page of reddit.

>>4724804

>>4724926

https://forums.libretro.com/t/retroarch-native-15khz-crt-support-bounty-suggestion-50/10124/181

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVKw_jJmAYY

>go to japanese arcade in the 2000s
>shitloads of games running on Sanwa CRTs with fine dot pitch and thick scanlines

>>4725043
What companies produced tubes for japanese cabinets besides sanwa actually? Did sony ever do that?

>>4725048
Not Sony afaik but there are tons of Toshiba arcade monitors.

>>4725048
Sharp

Okay so, I'm the anon from the last thread with the 20€ PVM.
It arrived in one piece and I tested it out. Had some small linearity issues but a quick study of the service manual helped me fix it using the menu.
I used a modded Wii and some snes games and a ps2 for ps1 games, it has an amazing picture even though it's only composite.
I've been looking into RGB modding but honestly I think it's good enough as it is.

>>4725113
does it not do s-video? cause s-video is going to be pretty much just as good as component or rgb at that size.

>>4725134
It does actually.
But SCART component and composite is all I had on hand so I used that.
I'm looking into getting some s-video cables as well.

>>4725113
Turn your brightness down duder.

>>4725169
I did, I turned back everything to standard. No idea why the previous dude had it so bright.

>intentionally turning the brightness all the way up and and the contrast all the way down in order to emulate the appearance of the shitty worn out CRT in the Frogger machine they had at the auction house I played as a kid

>>4724804
Why isn't this guy using a Trinitron? this board made me think everyone in the 80s used a Trinitron.

How do I get the channel indicator off my Trinitron without a remote? Also when I turn it on, it gives me 8 beeps before the screen appears.

>>4725179
>intentionally decreasing the lifespan of the pvmeme you spent $200 dollars on

Never forget.

>>4725334
bump

I bought a third-party s-video cable for my SNES that's supposed to be arriving today. Most of the reviews were glowing but others claimed the product was cheap shit with either a buzzing sound issue or it stopped working after first use. If it doesn't pan out what s-video cables do you guys use? Fellow men too dumb to RGB mod that is.

>>4725380
Should never buy Chinese shit.

>>4725382
All third party shit seems to be Chinese and I couldn't find the official Nintendo cables anywhere

>>4725380
I use the official Nintendo S-video cable. Model # SHVC-009

>>4725380
Was $20 really too much of your check from your minimum wage job to spend on official cables, you fucking imbecile?

>>4725385
That helped me find it thanks. It's more expensive but probably worth it, if this cable fails me I'll order one of those

>>4724926
>SATISFACTION

>>4725334
Buy a remote off ebay.

PVM friends, what do you use for 480i content? Interlaced sources on a PVM are miserable to look at it

>>4725368
I can't tell from the photos to be sure, but I'm just gonna guess he wired them all wrong.

>>4725418
Wrong is an understatement.

>>4725417
Interlaced content looks pretty good on my PVM 2530

>>4725417
>>4725462
Just make sure your source doesn't have an anti flicker filter and that you have the comb filter on your pvm on, (normally for composite sources but it seems to make a difference)
Then 480i sources will actually be sharp and good looking with minimal artifacts

Fixer-upper Anon here. The repair that was supposed to happen on Monday fell through after the repairman no-showed because of “traffic” and never called back after that. Have been spending the week trying to get ahold of various shops in the metro but have been having bad luck so far as a lot of “CRT repairs” in the area apparently don’t extend to repairing deflection circuits.

Am I missing something here for how difficult it is to recap that part of a CRT’s board? I’m half-tempted to try and contact the LGS that has a few MVS and CPS2 cabs lying around to ask who services their machines to see if they’ll take on a PVM.

>>4725241
Complete psyop meme. Japanese electronics were just starting the break into America in the 80s. You think everyone just threw out their sets from the prior decades? There was no new picture “advancement” after the advent of color like there is today (HD to 4K and all other marketing gimmicks). Magnavox, Zenith, Sears, RCA etc were MUCH more common.

finally got my 20 inch pvmeme working

>>4725631
I would like to shift the image slightly to the right but I still haven't gotten the service menu visible, and no one seems to have any idea how to fix it. it works well enough though for what I wound up paying for it

>>4725634
What's the model?

>>4725640
PVM-20N6U. the menu is there when you press the button, it'sjust not visible on the screen. so by memorizing button presses I was able to fix some issues with RGB sync and NTSC on composite/s video, but it would be really dangerous to try adjusting the service menu blindly like that.

>>4725043
This reminds me... I have a 25" arcade monitor in my garage that I want to build a frame and connectors to use for consoles.

How long do you think it will take normie youtube retro fags to figure out their pvmemes produce a soul-less image and start to become CRT hipsters that look for the perfect composite video television?

I give it about 2 years.

>>4725851
I have a broken one in storage. As well as a shitload of other CRTs. I guess I have turned into one of those old guys with a hoard of old tech that he isn't taking care of.

I would post pictures of the things but I am afraid of them becoming a meme.

>>4725971
more power to them.
let them have the crappy sets

>>4725971

>>4726000

>>4725971
Never. They will have lost interest by then. It won't be profitable anymore, so they'll move on to the next new "retro".

>>4725368
>>4725418
>>4725427
Pure comedy gold

>>4725172
people with no knowledge of monitors tend to believe a brighter picture means a better picture

>>4725368
what a retard

>>4725387
>Unwarranted hostility and projection
Chill

>>4726047
Well whatever the case my eyes started to hurt after 5 minutes of looking at it.
Could also be that it takes 2-3 minutes to reach its full brightness as it's a bit dim when you just turn it on.

>>4725634
What game? Is this Armored Core?

>>4726202
yes

>>4726029
Da fuuuuuuuuuuuuq

>>4724926
>ywn have a 80's jap gf to play famicom with

>>4726294
at first I felt no feels.
and then I thought about it
>and I had feels

>>4725389
the nintendo s-video cables usually come from japan and are $40+ dollars
still better than however much those official jp21 cables go for

>>4726318
Looks like that's what I'm gonna do. The cable came today and didn't work, but of course I knew it wouldn't as soon as I opened the package and saw the big "fuck you" LPN label stuck to the box. I used to work at Amazon and that means this shitty cable was already returned once before by someone else. So thanks for giving me the model of the cable you use, should have known all the proper listings would be on ebay. I just try to avoid ebay because I've never used it but oh well

How do I fix the middle part of my screen? It's shifted slightly to the left near the middle. The service menu doesn't help.
I already fixed the top shit with S-CORR though.

>>4725241
I didn't have a Trinitron until the late nineties. A few years later I was swimming in them (leftover Sun odd-spec monitors). They marketed them to American gamers in the mid-nineties.
The actual tech dates back to the sixties though. They're good monitors, if you don't mind the obvious black lines holding that mask together...

>>4726682
expand the screen size so it is offscreen

or live with it

no CRT is ever perfect

I turned my CRT on for the first time in a while last night and I noticed that the geometry seems to be off although it was fine before. Does not using them for a while cause the geometry to go off or what would be the reason for this?

>>4726792
let it warm up for an hour and then look at it again

>>4726809
>mod chip
>non-dualshock controller
>composite
that’s what i’m talmbow

>>4726859
Non dualshock PS1 pad is the best controller though imo

I just bought a set of SCART cables for my SNES, and the image has a distinctly maroon tint.
If I turn off Red & Blue, I get a dim green image, while if I turn off Green and another color, the mono-color picture is much brighter.

>>4726868
This image and the following one were taken with the same shutter settings.
Could this be a capacitance issue? I'm using the retrogamingcable SNES scart cable, and their scart to BNC adapter

>>4726872

>>4726824
Will do. Thanks.

>>4726868
ya got ur red and blue connectors on the wrong BNC ports

>>4726868
Look and see if your monitor has a switch that says something between Hi and 75 modes next to the BNC ports. Make sure all these switches are set to the same thing.

>>4726882
No, I've checked that multiple times. I've even tried swapping each connector to see if it was miswired / miscolored. No luck.

>>4726886
No physical switches.
I should also note that the image is perfectly fine with another console (PS2). The problem has to be between the SNES and the monitor. Same issue with a SFC and the same cables.

>>4726868
Can you open the head of the SCART connector and take a pic

>>4726910
here's how the two halves meet.
The lower cable is the one coming from the SNES. The upper is going to the monitor via BNC

>>4727223
looks fine, I was suspecting you might have had unconnected grounds.

>>4725464
Your average arcade CRT guru shudders at the thought of opening a Trinitron. And yes, the deflection circuits in a PVM are a nightmare. Recapping is easy, but nothing beyond a few simple geometry problems is likely to be fixed by anything that simple.

What is the actual issue?

Bought the chinese AV booster for my recently acquired White PC Engine. This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyPfAIPP-Oo
Using the Composite Cables plugged in to KV-XJ29M31 Sony. Not having any luck getting video going. Audio is coming in clear, no video. Help me /vr/ you're my only hope!

>>4726782
wtf, you guys told me crt was the perfect display technology folded over 1 mirrion times?

>>4727230
>>4727223
I'm an idiot. I had the input channel set to Y/Pb/Pr instead of RGB. Thanks for the thoughts, guys.

>>4727231
>What is the actual issue?
The vertical deflection circuit has problems with bad caps leading to constantly visible retrace lines and stretching at the upper border of the screen.

I finally found a tech who would take my monitor a couple days ago and dropped it off this morning. He seems to know his stuff and apparently still fixes PVMs, but his price wasn't cheap to say the least.

I decided to just go ahead and bite the bullet and pay up. I'm planning on holding onto the 1351Q until it's dead, and the alternatives of trying to sell off the existing unit and hunt for a replacement or have it sit as a desk ornament for the better part of a year while I learned how to fix broadcast monitors from scratch weren't terribly appealing. I'll leave details about my experience with the tech after I get my tube back, if things work out well, it might help some other anons in the area who can't fix their own boxes.

Moral of the story: know how to solder if you're buying a CRT and it's not already in working condition

Have you noticed that PC CRT monitors have a 'scanline' effect when running 480p? I had no idea myself, until recently when I hooked up my PS3 via a converter to VGA and selected only to display 480p through HDMI. Turns out it actually outputs a 4:3 picture to fill the whole screen (as opposed to 720p and 1080p which are always 16:9) and PS1 games look really great on it.

It is really weird. I guess it is thanks to the PS3 also being able to deal with analogue signals, I haven't tried it with my PS4. I'm sure I'll get the scanlines, but I'm not so sure I'll get the 4:3 picture.

In fact I'm browsing 4chan right now on my PC CRT monitor at 480p with this scanline effect I talked about. I used CRU (custom resolution utility) to make my computer accept the 640x480 output resolution.

If all of this is common knowledge, just ignore me. I've been rambling for a while.

>>4727456
The effect is very subtle, but it is subtle enough to make scanline filters look like absolute shit on emulators.

>>4726859
The PlayStation version of KoF98 doesn’t recognize analog stick controller.

>>4727456
The scan line effect is there on all resolutions if you look close enough. it just becomes impossible to see with the naked eye

>>4727456
Every CRT in every resolution has scanlines. They just get smaller and harder to notice as you increase resolution.

Why, while playing vidya does my monitor randomly go from the image on the left, to the image in the right? Turning it off then back on again fixes it for a short of amount of time. It used to fade over the image on the right, now it just abruptly switches.

I only seem to only notice this when I'm using my wii with component cables and not with my n64 using s-video.

>>4727961
Nevermind, I'm retarded. Just noticed I had the blue cable in an output instead of an input. Pretty sure that's what was doing it.

scanlines too thick? just take your glasses off bro

Does it bother anyone else that they can't check the hours on their consumer set? I know it's just my autism but feels like my set could start going any day

>>4728638
if it has worked this long it will probably work until after you're long dead

>>4728640
Mine's a secondhand 2001 Trinitron though

This PVMeme is pretty fun.

Need to do a bit more adjustment I think.

I bought a VCR at the thrift yesterday, Mitsubishi HS-U748 S-VHS player with S-Video.

Came attached to a rackmount shelf and with BNC-breakouts for Luma/Chroma attached to the S-Video port. I'm hoping that means it was well taken care of in a studio environment, but I suppose heavy use might also be a possibility.

Seems like a good one from everything I've read online. Going to use it to transfer some old home videos to digital.

I've been messing with my 1944Q's convergence, and I want to find a better pattern to adjust with. 240p test Suite lacks a simple dot pattern and the grid is too thick to be accurate. Any idea?

Ideally an NES/SNES game with thin grids or dots would work, cause I wouldn't know how to get say a picture on the screen in 240p.

Pulled my old IBM monitor out of storage and cleaned it up. It works perfectly.

The left side of the image is collapsing because the timing for the 648x480@60hz 16bpp from my Xubuntu/Intel laptop doesn't seem to be exactly right for this monitor. When I connected it to my Windows 7/nvidia desktop the image was perfect. I'll have to try some different modelines.

how do I get RGB on my tv? Do I need a scart switch or something. A framemeister?

>>4731462
that's not even your image

>>4731463
but i have the same tv ya meanie

>>4729759
You need a convergence pattern.

>cause I wouldn't know how to get say a picture on the screen in 240p.

Do you own any modern gaming system? If you own a PS3/PS4/Xbox 360/One you can display images from that system on the screen. Blu-ray players can display images. Shit, even DVD players can do it. The image doesn't have to be 240p to adjust convergence.

>>4731462
retard

>>4731462
you would have to mod the tv. Considering you talked about scart switches and framemiester. Probably best if you look for a tv with those capability then to mess around it.

>>4729759
I use the H pattern on my Extron VTG 300R at 480/576i

>>4731538
then it's time to stop sitting around and get the tools, is it true when you open the shell of a crt the circuits and stuff still have electricity running through them? I will have to ask on that shmup forum if my Sharp 13J-M100 13 is capable.

Just get a led

>>4726868

Does your monitor have a switch between RGB and YPBR/component? I think having it on the wrong setting gives it a pink tint.

>>4728160

Can you take pics of how the cords were when they were wrong, I'm feeling MEME Gold here anon.

>>4731867
cringe

Does enlarging the image on a PVM so that the edges of the picture aren't visible negatively affect the picture quality in any way?

>>4732641
no

>>4731560
Discharging the CRT makes it basically safe to handle without any lethal risk but you should still get educated on the parts you shouldn't touch if you go poking around inside.

So I've seen that some pvm's have a little handle on top, but mine didn't come with one but I see where the ends would screw in. Any idea where I can get one of these? I can't find em anywhere

So I have been digging through some of my old storage and realized I have two Sony HMD-A440 monitors. I got to reading about their specifications and it looks like they are

>FD Trinitron (aperture grille)
>.24mm slot pitch
>19" tube
>recommend resolution 1280x1024

And I have seen people talk up the Sony BVM series, but looking at those they are also

Sony BVM 20E1U (high grade)
>Trinitron (not FD/Flat)
>.25mm slot pitch
>19" or 20" tube (not sure)
>max 1000 TV lines visible

Now these seem awfully similar to me. If I were to run 240p at 120hz to one of the PC monitors what visual difference would there be?

>>4732898
because the electron gun is firing twice as often per frame, 120Hz causes an appreciable amount of ghosting compared to a 60Hz refresh
Also, TVL and pixel count are a little hard to compare, but you're right, the monitor will give a similar type of image as a bvm, i.e. very distinct pixels and a sharp, 'sterile' image

>>4733175
If one were to use black frame insertion to remove the 2nd frames, wouldn't it completely remove this ghosting effect?

>>4733242
After thinking about this for a bit longer I believe this would cause more flickering because although it creates 60 video frames per second (not counting the black frames), the frames are drawn twice as face as they would be in normal 60hz. So you have more downtime between when one frame is drawn and the next one is started.

>>4733250
>>4733242
I haven't noticed any issues running Black Frame insertion on my PC CRT but if you are woried you can run your resolution at 480 vertical and use the interlace shader assuming you use retroarch. It will scanline 240p games as well as interlace games that use interlaced modes and stay 60hz the entire time

What's better, a 20" flat screen Sanyo CRT or a 28" tube Samsung?

>>4733375
Samsung

Small TVs are a meme.

>>4732641
That's actually how they're supposed to be set up. You're not expected to actually see the edge of the raster in most case.

>>4733453
I forgot to mention, the Sanyo has S-video and the Samsung only has composite and RF. But it's a big bright pretty screen regardless so thanks for helping me make my decision.

>>4733478
I'd still go with the samsung.

Next CRT hobby fad: building ornate boxes with smoked glass covering to house your monitor.

People could get really creative with it and make stuff that looks like furniture. Bring back the floor model form factor. Something like this but fancier.

>>4733242
It'll look pretty similar in terms of motion clarity, but it'll effectively be dimmer and more flickery than running 120Hz

>>4733604
I just tried it and it was unacceptably flickery. Motion blur was completely removed, but it was headache inducing to play. No one would ever seriously use this option.

My monitor has D-sub and RGBHV input, so I ran 240p120 on one side, and 1600x1200p60 on the other side with shaders.

The shader side looks really good when you just look at it by itself, but it is soft compared to real 240p when flipping back and forth. I was using aperture.cgp and crteasymode.cgp and fiddling with the parameters.

But it was still very close. I think with more fine tuning you could get 99% similarity.

>>4733623
There's also the option of run 480p60 with a simple scanline shader like tvout+interlacing.cgp, should look almost the same as 240p120 in terms of sharpness with the same behaviour in time as 240p60 would do

Crispy RGB goodness

>>4733651
I've always found those white PVMs nice looking. How much did that one run you?

>>4733453
I wouldn't say small TVs are a meme, they can definitely make a difference with lower resolution systems. I would have recommended the Samsung to him just on the virtue that it's not flat, because flatscreen CRTs are shit

>>4731861
>>4727336
Yep, you're dead-on. I didn't think to check the input setup.

>>4726682

>>4734139
Anyone have one of these that matches Sony's service menu names?

Just moved and figured I'd try out my ossc on my new LG OLED, with blank frame incertion it looks real real good. Input lag makes it unplayable though. Guess I gotta hook up my XBR sooner then I thought

>>4734068
Are flatscreen CRTs really shit? Mine looks just fine

>>4734203
They're prone to geometry issues

>>4734145

>>4734145
and another

>>4724804
I've done some research and know a little info on H/V display etc. but I can't seem to get rid of this flicker on my Trinitron. Model is a PVM 8220 inputs are composite with IN/OUT and EXT SYNC. I have BNC to RCA adapters plugged in. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

>>4734801
>>4734802
Could you post them again? They will not load for me.

>>4734414

Correction: Non-Trinitron flatscreen CRTs are prone to geometry issues.

>>4734926
what is your video source? is it in every game?

>>4733651
Fucking juicy, the jump from component to RGB is still a huge leap in clarity

Does /vr/ have an opinion on Beovision? I can get an MX2000 for cheap, just wondering what the consensus on the brand is

>>4735106
Beovision sets are usually decent Philips tubes inside a fancy case with nice built in speakers, sometimes with weird special features.

MX2000 looks to be a pretty typical mid 80s set, so don't expect amazing video quality, but has SCART that should do RGB, has a tinted glass screen in front of the CRT to improve contrast in brighter environments.

>>4725113
Your brightness is a bit high anon. Definitely look into RGB, you won't regret it.

Anything I should watch out for that could decrease the lifespan of my CRT? Like any settings or turning it on/off frequently?

>>4735106
Get one

They are aesthetic af

>>4735341
It already has S-video.
Is it worth going through the trouble of RGB modding if I have S-video?

From what I understand the difference is not that big(although a big upgrade from composite).

>>4735449
I don't think >>4735341 noticed the lack of RGB, but honestly I wouldn't make the jump unless wherever you bought from has different models at a similar price point. Unless a similar deal pops up, I would just stick with that, as it's plenty quality and at least has S-Video.

>>4735356
Make sure your brightness is not turned up all the way, which would go along with basic color calibration.

>>4736110
As mentioned in the previous thread. I won it at an auction, I don't know what else that guy has and I don't particularly care.
I'm am so far pleased with it all things considered, I had to glue the front sticker back on and the lack of the Sony logo bothered me so I got some from eBay for 3$ but they'll arrive at the end of the month. And I'll get some s-video cables when I'll have more time to mess around with it. I'm barely using it 1-2 hours at most nowadays.
Oh and maybe one of you guys can tell me this, I have a glass desk and I'm afraid to put it there in case the glass might break. What do you think?

Just how shit is composite? Is s-video really a huge jump up in picture clarity?

>>4736292
yeah, it's sharper. but a CRT with composite is still better than any LCD
here's a $5 composite TV vs a PVM with S-video

>>4736292

The biggest difference in my opinion is the elimination of dot crawl by s-video.

>>4736363
>here's a $5 composite TV vs a PVM with S-video
That seems like a very slanted comparison but I agree with your other statement. The more I learn about the tech of CRTs and see how nice they can look firsthand I think I'd rather play on the shittiest CRT than the best LCD

>>4736381
I just looked this up, dot crawl is exactly why my picture doesn't look as good as it could be. If s-video fixes that I can't wait to upgrade

>>4735000
Yeah its every game, I'm sure its very basic, I just can't figure it out also there are three small separate small holes that are labeled RGB. It looks like its for tv adjustments but I'm not sure.

>>4727456

360 and PS3 games look amazing in 480p. Especially because so many games didn't even make it to 720p.

Years ago I owned some Mitsubishi Megaview monitors. I didn't really know what I was doing with them back then. I played games in 15khz on them, but I was always curious about their usage as HDTVs.

Has anyone in this thread actually tried running 720, 1080i, or even 1080p on one of the big presentation monitors? What was the video quality like?

>>4736808
1080i and 720p work well.
On the ones that can take it, 1080p does work, but you're well past what the tube can realistically reproduce well. That said, it can still look pretty good under certain circumstances, and video playback. There's really only so much you can ask from a ~1mm dot/stripe pitch tube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V36oDHtq4ZY

Video is one of the former, photo is the latter.
Spoiler for not /vr/

>>4736828
On my units I noticed an increasing dimness and blurriness as I went up in higher resolutions. Do you see the same thing? Do you know what it's about?

That 3730C actually looks very good in 720p. To think that once these were not considered desirable among CRT collectors (these don't sync to 15khz, right?).

These days it seems you don't see the massive monitors even coming up for sale. They're entering the realm of myth and legend. A unicorn that shows up here and there. I think there are maybe 3 different distinct AM-4201 units that have been photographed on the internet so far.

>>4736858
also, would you mind playing this video on your 3720C?

https://youtu.be/LsoLEjrDogU

I think it's great reference material since it is 1080p60fps with lots of motion and wide variety of colors.

>>4736808
pic related
>>4736858
3730C does 15khz fine but requires TTL sync on BNC, even though manual says it accepts 75R sync. Didn't try 75R over DB15 yet.

>>4736903
>requires TTL sync on BNC
I could be wrong, but I think the little lm1881 board I have is set to output 75ohm sync, and works fine; Honestly can't remember.

>>4736858
>these don't sync to 15khz
15khz all the way up to 85khz. There are actually a couple other videos I have up of it running in 240p, 480i, and 480p.

It does certainly get blurry as the resolution increases, for sure. I don't want to suggest my monitor is the norm however, as I'm positive it's sorely in need of recapping and adjustment.

I probably won't get around to it tonight, but I can give it a shot if I think about it tomorrow.

>>4736915
I literally tried 2 days ago with a switch that adds or removes a 470R on the out of the LM1881.
It doesn't work with the 470R ( = 75R sync).

>>4736903
I also noticed severe moire effect and an inability to fill the screen on higher resolutions with a 3717C.

Filling the screen fight be doable with a custom modeline. I didn't know much about that back then.

>>4736915
>It does certainly get blurry as the resolution increases
I've observed this on a multitude of monitors so I don't think it has to do with the caps. I think it's a limitation of the technology.

>>4736915
Kya, what's your favorite CRT of all the ones you have seen?

>>4736858
Increasing horizontal blurriness when going for a high vertical line count/horizontal refresh rate is expected, since you're spreading the limited bandwidth over a shorter time per line.

>>4736903
By 75R do you mean you were feeding it 0.3V, 0.7V or 1V into the 75 ohm load?

>>4737265
0.7v

>>4725113

If your PVM supports Y/Pb/Pr, you can get some cheap RCA > BMC connectors and just hook your PS2 and Wii up to it that way; the component video cables cost nothing.

>>4725380

I have a couple of multi-system S-Video cables I found at thrift stores over the years.

I just got my first crt at a thrift store, but it only has one audio input. Is it gonna have any serious effect on music/audio quality on my games?

>>4737762
sounds like it's an mono instead of stereo. Some games have configuration to change it to mono or only have mono in the first place. If you want an upgrade, you can get speakers with RCA inputs or a RCA female to 3.5mm female adapter for headphones/PC speakers

>>4737738
It's a composhit/s-video only monitor.

>>4737230
I wonder, where is the cut-off point for resolution of details in regards to this. I can tell you that 2048x1536 and 1600x1200 look pretty much identical to me when playing back downscaled and 4:3 cropped 4k videos on my 19" PC monitor. However, it is a pretty old unit from 1995.

I should get some of the Sony monitors I have out and test those. I have a P1110 buried behind a lot of stuff.

>>4737824

S-Video gets you 90% of the way there

>>4736923
Like I said, I dunno what's on that board off hand. I'll have to poke my nose in and see.

>>4736942
I'm sure some of it comes down to the limitations of the set itself, but the one I have in particular has some other issues that sort of spoil proper judgement.

>>4736946
Honestly a hard question, especially since I haven't had the chance to use certain ones as much as I'd like.

I have a soft spot for my little GXTV an really want to get around to RGB modding it at some point, but in terms of what I've seen the nicest picture on (in my opinion), that'd probably be the Ikegami. Crisp, but not overly sharp, and with honestly the most vibrant colors of any of my sets. The busted Dell P991 would likely be the equivalent for PC sets given how bright and such it was, but it shit the bed before I had the chance to use it much.

Haven't been able to use my JVCs much, and I've yet to properly break in the L5, so either of those could perhaps edge out the Ikegami.

>>4737832
I've got a P1130, and while there is a slight gain in going to say 1920x1440 over 1600x1200, it's balanced out by the small size of most text and the like. I'd probably take the increase in resolution for say doing art or other graphical design, but for productivity and stuff that requires you to read fine text, it becomes eye straining at standard/100% scaling.

>>4737738
As I said, my monitor does not support that. It only has input for s video and composite.
I used such an adapter for my composite cable.
It could support RGB with some exthensive modding, but I don't see why I should bother if it only offers a marginal upgrade over s video, which I already have.

>>4737762

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzG8Sty9veI

>>4733651
what game is this? looks gorgeous

>>4736828
how did you hook your wii u up to that?

>>4726682
are you enjoying watching my waifu?

>>4738361
>flcl
>waifu
I guess the entire message of the show just flew right over your head.

>>4738361
>watching my waifu
>waifu
>mamimi
I guess you don't understand the whole point of her character.

>>4726313
I love that they have a white man in this because thier men are too small lol

>>4738347
For the Video:
Wii U -> Component Cable -> Key Digital Transcoder -> Megaview
And for the photo:
Switch -> Portta HDMI to VGA -> Megaview

>>4726809

It bothers me that it's on a couch.

>>4738531
awesome, thanks

is it worth it to try and convert an xbox one or ps4 signal to play on pic related? I have heard that light guns wont work on hd crts, is this true?

>>4739138
>I have heard that light guns wont work on hd crts,
That is correct, unless it's something that works more on motion tracking rather than an actual light gun.

>xbox one or ps4
No, very no. For one, that looks like a SD set, which will require downscaling as well, but you're going to also see a loss of picture quality in such a situation. If it's an HD set, most shouldn't need any conversion due to having HDMI or DVI outright; I still really wouldn't recommend it for those consoles, especially if there's anything a bit text heavy.

If you were to convert an HDMI-only system to analogue for playing on a CRT, would it induce the same type of lag that hooking analogue systems into LCD displays causes?

>>4739235
forgot to mention the set is KV-36FS100 and the docs i found from sony state 1080i max res, so what would happen with a later gen console?

I have also thought getting a new amd apu and running modern games at 720 to see what would happen

>be 5'8''
>118lb
>had to lift a 33x22 heavy as fuck Zenith CRT up a flight of stairs

Sort of worth it.

>>4739706
Zeniths feel like paper mache compared to any Sony TV of similar size based on my experience lugging them around.

>>4739706
>>be 5'8''
>>118lb
is this you?

>>4738282
It's Burning Force

>>4739702
>FS100
It's an SD set; either 240p or 480i. Nothing higher.

>>4739790
yeah I just looked at the manual again, it said "high scan only" FUCK!

Should I even bother with tryin to play ps3 and xbox 360 games on this?

>>4739796
I wouldn't, no.

>>4739815
>>4739815
what does the fs100 signify? you are the king around here btw, thank you for your help

>>4739823
It's just part of the model number.

KV signifies it's television with an analog tuner (the V)

36 signifies the size, 36'' tube

FS signisifes it's a flat (F) stereo (S) model.

100 is the series/model number.

The only sets that are Hi-Scan/HD capable will either have an HS, HV, XS, or XBR(but not all) in place of the FS. XBR is the odd one out, as there are older models with higher model numbers that are SD only, and newer models with lower numbers that are HD Capable.


I started work on a thing to work out what all the parts of the name actually signify a while back, but sort of got side tracked by the really old stuff which is harder to work out.

Some of, but not all of the different letter bits you might see are:
KX, KD, KW, KP, KDP, KWP
PT, M, FM, VM, VS, FA
EXR, SXR, T, TS, TR, TW, TX, CX, AD
N, S, L, R, RS, RX, CR
The first two lines I've worked out, but a lot of the second two are still a bit of a mystery on what makes them have one as opposed to another.

Mind you, this is all for ONLY North American sets. Europe and elsewhere are still almost entirely unknown to me.

I've noticed that the picture on my PVM seems to be slightly biased to the left when displaying RGB, while S-Video doesn't seem to have this problem. Does anyone know what could be causing this?

>>4739845
I stole this from wiki so take it with a grain of salt


it shows that some fs units are also hd, though not hdmi

>>4739880
The wiki is wrong.

They may use some of the same tubes as some of the HS sets, but they're still limited to 480i at max.

The XBR250, for example, is an SD set, not Hi-Scan.

>>4739889
what hd crt should I be on the hunt for? I wanna play 1080i on newer shit

>>4739915
If you're alright with the slight delay that comes with them, any of the "Super Fine Pitch" models listed on the wiki are about as good as you can get in terms of an HD CRT TV.
Everyone always flocks to the the XBR960 as the one to get, but the 910 and XS955 will do just as well.

Unless you have plans to use it for some 4:3 480p stuff as well, I'd probably avoid the 36XS955.

Smaller CRTVs have smaller speakers than larger CRTVs.

I have heard that smaller speakers are better for treble and larger speakers are better for bass.
I have heard also that larger speakers have better sound in general.
So which is true?
Do larger and smaller CRTVs have strengths and weaknesses in the highs and lows?
Or do larger CRTVs just sound better overall?

Most CRTVs let you adjust the bass and treble levels in addition to giving you some presets.
I always set these to 50-50 in the past but now I wonder if I should raise the treble or bass to compensate for the weaknesses of the built-in speakers.
What are the best settings for base and treble on CRTVs?
I have already dialed in the perfect brightness/contrast/sharpness/saturation/hue and now I want to do this final optimization.

Don't tell me about connecting to an amp with separate speakers or to get a soundbar.
I need to max out the audiovisual quality of standalone CRTVs for when I bring them with retro period consoles to my church youthgroup to redpill them and correct their subhuman tastes (Clash of Clans, Fortnite, etc.)

Picked up a Sony KV-13M10 today for free. Absolutely love its picture.

>>4740213
Amazing pixels in this game.

>>4740267

Do CRT televisions usually take a few seconds to turn on?

>>4740386
Yes.

>>4724804
Is there any point picking up a widescreen Trinitron for 480i+ resolutions. I realise 240p will look shit

>>4740386
Yes, a few seconds for the picture tube to warm up (or whatever is happening since there are enormous voltages at work inside which can easily kill you if you go poking around inside and touch the flyback transformer)
Most of the ones I had back then would make an extremely satisfying CLICK as soon as you hit the button which I assume is the sound of a high voltage relay closing, although my dad once brought home some big secondhand CRT monitors that made a deafening BWONGGGGGG sound whenever they turned on or came out of standby, I think they had an integrated degauss that activated at poweron because the screen would do the degauss wave at the same time

>>4740452
In my experience nothing ever looks like shit on a trinitron, even the snow is aesthetic

>>4726809

Couldn't that tip off the couch? It'd make more sense to put it on the chair, since the chair would be more stable/solid. Couch cushion seems like if someone were to sit down next to it, it would push in and tip.

>>4726809
>electrical tape on the TV power cord
please tell me that's for identification purposes only

also vacuum your carpet grandma

>>4740527
>electrical tape on the TV power cord
What's wrong with that?

>>4740041
>CRTVs
That's a big no. Didn't you read the name of the thread?

Anyway, this is a very vague question, and I feel like it would be difficult to pinpoint as there are a lot of different CRT brands all with different speakers at different sizes. Sticking with name brands should yield some answers. I know there are some Sony Trinitrons with Subwoofers built in, (KV-xxFX65?) and most of Sony's flagships have some good speakers, like the XBR and WEGA lines. Sticking with brands like Sony, Toshiba, Panasonic, etc. should give you some quality stereo. Avoid broadcast monitors, as they all have mono speakers (But there are some larger models with stereo speaker attachments).

To answer the size question, which sounds just more like an audio question, I'd check out this article:
https://www.quora.com/Do-physically-larger-speakers-sound-better-than-smaller-ones-when-played-at-the-same-volume

I would say to keep settings 50/50, as I can't imagine built in speakers in *any* TV are good enough to warrant such fine tuning.

>>4740530
Nothing unless the reason you put the electrical tape on it is because the cord insulation is disintegrating and you're still using it instead of replacing the cord

How do I fix a big scuff on the glass right in the middle of my Trinitron?

My childhood TV was a Memorex MT2024.

I would do anything in the world to have that TV back.

>>4740625
sand it down

>>4740643
If you sand it, the glass will slowly warp.
If you sand too much and the TV is on, it will explode and kill you.
If you sand too much and the TV is off but plugged in, the screen will shatter and you'll get three continuous injections of cancer.
If you sand too much and the TV is off and unplugged, The screen will crack.

>>4740650
You're right, probably shouldn't sand.
His best bet is to anneal the scuffed area by heating it with a propane torch so the scuffed area smoothes over
going to need to get it red hot though so be sure to put some oven mitts under the TV to protect the table

>>4740638
>childhood tv
>it was released in 2004

>>4740625
another method is to buff it out with a cotton ball soaked in hydrofluoric acid.
try to wear latex gloves if you have them because hydrofluoric acid is a skin irritant

What TV shows are you watching on your CRT now?
I just finished my marathon of Neon Genesis Evangelion on my BVM.
I watched the Archives of Evangelion DVD Box version, which is NGE as it originally aired in Japan back in the '90s.
The original, unaltered, pre-Renewal versions (Second Impact Box, Archives of Evangelion DVD Box, original Japanese standalone volume DVDs, US Perfect Collection, US Director's Cut) look like garbage on an HDTV, but they look gorgeous on a CRT.
Plus, these versions are unaltered, since the remastered Renewal of Evangelion DVD Box, the Blu-ray Box, and the Platinum Edition are altered in some places for the TV series, the movies were never altered.

After finishing the series, I watched the Evangelion: Death and Rebirth and The End of Evangelion Blu-rays on my 4K OLED TV since they're unaltered, and since they're HD and widescreen, they will look better on an HDTV.

Now that I'm finished, I will marathon Clarissa Explains It All via. torrents I downloaded which are stored on a hard drive and I found a dirt-cheap non-cable digibox with Component outputs and can play the formats of the files via. USB devices.
I wish Nickelodeon would release complete DVDs of Clarissa Explains It All without the red tint on Season 1 so I don't have to do this foolishness.

How hard is rgb modding a trinitron for someone with literally no experience working with CRTs? I keep seeing them pop up on Facebook and I'd love to get them but I don't know shit and doubt anyone remotely close to me does.

>>4739689
Depends how you're doing the conversion. If it's just converting the signal and not the resolution, you can have the converter near lagless, but that'd only be useful if using an HDMI source that supports SD, or an HD source + a multiformat PVM or similar, if using a consumer HD CRT TV they usually lag no matter what kind of input you use.

>>4740717
How much electronics experience do you have?

Modern trinitron models are often pretty easy to add RGB to, usually you just need to add a connector, termination resistor coupling capacitor, run that into the R G B in pins on the jungle IC cutting the existing connection it has to the OSD chip if it has that, then connecting 5V to the Blanking pin.

>>4739857
That's pretty normal. S-video encode/decode introduces a little delay, so if it's using the same circuits for sync for both S-video and RGB on either the monitor or the console it'll generally push composite/S-video output a bit to the right. It's also common for different consoles to do a bit different horizontal position and width.

Can compensate with an extron interface providing horizontal shift, or move it in the monitor's service menu.

>Someone puts up a nice-looking Wega up for free on FB
>Message them within minutes of their listing
>Organize to pick it up tomorrow
>All good
>Messages me 10 minutes later
>"oh sorry i just gave it to someone else"

>>4740769
>unfriend

>>4740769
>go to Mexican narco gore pages
>open comment field


>>notifications
>>anon mentioned you in a comment

>>4740041
>get a soundbar
nobody would ever suggest such a thing, those are for normalfags and are not retro at all
anyway for what you were asking, just get a TV that's stereo and turn the bass up slightly

>>4740741
Interesting. Unfortunately, I haven't seen any options on the monitor's (a PVM-146NU) service menu, and documentation regarding horizontal adjustments involves adjusting capacitors. I'd consider picking up an Extron interface. Since pic related is what I'm currently using, are there any that input and output RGB directly?

>>4740852
PVM-14N6U? The setting in the service menu is 72: H CENT 60HZ RGB

>>4740267
>>4740213
That does look pretty nice.

>>4740650
>>4740671
>>4740694

None of this sounds fun at all.

>>4741032
to avoid creating mustard gas the non shitposting answer is perhaps to try something like aviation polish which they used to recommend for scratched CDs, optimally you want a non-abrasive "polish" with the same refractive index as the glass to fill in the roughened areas and smooth them over.
The issue is that you almost certainly have some antiglare coatings or other types of coatings on the screen and how these will interact with the polish is unknown

>>4741140
>>4741032
would something like pic related help?

>>4741331
if it's hard enough to remove the glass coating, extremely fine abrasive polish might work. Looked it up now and some people have done it, it depends how severe the scuff is and of course you will be removing antistatic/antiglare properties
https://forum.arcadeotaku.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=235
https://forum.arcadeotaku.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10453&start=0
From other forums it sounds like some people have tried auto glass crack filler and it didn't work so well
It really depends how severe the scuff is and how much work you're willing to do
that polish there in your pic looks like it's for removing plastic resin headlight coating and surface material and then maybe the other bottle is for recoating, which you need to do on a headlight because the polycarbonate substrate is very soft and will fuck up in a hurry without a protective coating

>>4741378
what polish should he use?

>>4739927
>Unless you have plans to use it for some 4:3 480p stuff as well, I'd probably avoid the 36XS955.
That's one of my grail CRTs. I prefer 4:3 as an aspect ratio, and 36" in 4:3 is a very big TV. A lot bigger than the 34" in 16:9.

It would be the perfect television for watching HD scanned retro shows with a 4:3 ratio. Star Trek and Dragon Ball come to mind.

Video games in 4:3 1080i would also be very good.

Everybody talks up the lag on these TVs, but I've owned a 34XS955 and it was very, very low. Like 2-5 frames I would estimate.

>>4741745
>Video games in 4:3 1080i would also be very good.
og xbox and ps2 only right?

>>4741013
I wish I had a camera that could do it justice. I tweaked some settings in the service menu and it looks even better. Sharp even on composite. Super bright even after all these years.

>>4741378
>in your pic
That's a different anon but thanks a tonne for the info.

>>4741745
>Video games in 4:3 1080i would also be very good.
I'm not sure if you can, but that would almost definitely require going into the service menu and toggling a setting or two that likely won't keep between power cycles. The 4:3 HDCRTs auto vertical compress 720p and 1080i signals.

>2 to 5 frames
~3 for 240p/480i content, ~2 for 480p (and possibly 1080i as well)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--xY_NvwJ_g

I'll have to do a better version of this at some point.

>>4741903
>The 4:3 HDCRTs auto vertical compress 720p and 1080i signals.
Even if you set up a PC to send 1440x1080i?

And wouldn't you be able to switch between
>letterboxed
>stretched
>cropped
modes like any other late model digital CRT television?

Surely if you set up on your PC

>1920x1080i output resolution
>set game aspect ratio to 4:3
then either

>allow game to be anamorphically corrected from stretched 16:9 back to 4:3 while preserving resolution benefits (you'd get the full 1920 pixels width)
or
>the game will be sent pillarboxed, then you use the television's crop mode to make it fit the whole screen, thus getting 1440x1080i

>>4741794
PC games bruh. Among other options (high res texture packs for console games, shaders through retroarch, PS3/Xbox 360 games).

I don't know when they stopped letting you set 4:3 1080i modes in games, or if they ever stopped. I know some of the Xbox 360 FPS games would let you do it (Modern Warfare 2 iirc).

>>4741924
>>allow game to be anamorphically corrected from stretched 16:9 back to 4:3 while preserving resolution benefits (you'd get the full 1920 pixels width)

How would you get the full 1920 pixels on a screen that only did 1440?

>>4741951
Oh it wouldn't resolve all of them. Not enough TV lines/not fine enough pitch. But you might manage to get a little bit over what it is spec'd for. That's assuming the TV doesn't convert the signal back to 1440x1080i internally.

How possible is it in this day and age to get an arcade cabinet monitor without paying out the ass?

>>4741970
build one

>>4741974
From broken ones or what? Pls don't bully, or do since I'm an idiot.

>>4741970
There's a dozen and a half ways of going about it. If you really want a true "arcade monitor" in the strict sense you can buy old cherry picker/electronic slot machines and rip the monitor out of those.

Anyone know a good stand for a 25" crt and 6-7 consoles?

>>4741996
get that cube thing from ikea like everybody else. also, make sure you put in led lighting.

>>4732781
Like we used to say - keep one hand behind your back while you're working on these things, and make sure your will is up-to-date.

>>4733175
Couldn't you just turn down the intensity of the picture?

>>4741924
>Even if you set up a PC to send 1440x1080i?
>And wouldn't you be able to switch between
As far as I can remember, most of those sort of controls are locked out at 720p/1080i

It might have zoom function though. I haven't used my HS420 in a while, so shit's a bit foggy.

>>4742145
Do you just have a garage stacked to the roof of CRTs?

>>4742098
>keep one hand behind your back while you're working on these things,
This no joke btw. I have a scar on my middle finger from getting bit by a PVM 2530 working on it while it was on when I rested my hand on a live piece of the circuity while looking at some other part of it. It also melted part of my fingernail. I was lucky.

>>4742178
Attic, and not quite.

I'm not quite as bad in that regard as some people though.

>>4742180
considering the flyback transformer can discharge 30,000 volts through your chest cavity and 50 volts is capable of stopping your heart, and if you break the skin first even a multimeter can induce lethal fibrillation if its resistance check current is passed from one arm through to the other, I would say that you are right.
taking apart a CRT is kind of like disassembling a loaded and cocked handgun

19" PC CRT monitor
Pixel Pitch 0.28mm
Shadow Mask
1600x1200 @ 60hz
Retroarch - BSNES Accuracy core
aperture.cgp with custom shader parameters set

>>4742225
Please note this photo was taken with an ISO setting of 3200 and thus there will be noise introduced into the photographic process that is not visible in the screen. The image has also been compressed to fit 4chan's limitations.

Placed alongside the Links of Retrorgb.com

The image was massively downscaled using Lanczos3 scaling.

>>4742225
>using a crt shader on a crt
so close yet so far...

>>4742243
>sonic crt.jpg
I'll take your word for it

>>4742225
Disgusting faggot.

>>4742243
Yes, CRT shaders on a CRT. This is part of a continuing experiment to see how closely I can match the real 240p performance on the same monitor. I can switch back and forth between 1600x1200p60 and 240p120 on two different inputs. This is from the 1600x1200 side, and it very closely matches the 240 side. With the use of shader parameter settings I can adjust scanline width and glow and emulate the look of a crt with a coarser dot pitch.

I believe it is getting to the point where some may find it desirable to find a nice high resolution CRT and "work their way down" to the looks of other, older CRTs from this high resolution and fine pitch on a case by case basis to match the look of what they are trying to emulate. Such as emulating the screen of a Commodore 1084s monitor, or a 1702. Or perhaps a Sharp X68000 monitor.

>>4742249
What is disgusting about it?

>>4742258
I can see using a scanline filter for hi res stuff. But using an aperture shader on a shadowmask crt is going full retard

>>4742194
>considering the flyback transformer can discharge 30,000 volts through your chest cavity and 50 volts is capable of stopping your heart, and if you break the skin first even a multimeter can induce lethal fibrillation if its resistance check current is passed from one arm through to the other, I would say that you are right.
I'm not saying that people shouldn't be very weary about poking around inside of a CRT

But, unless you've got a weak heart, the stupidly high voltage that you're liable to get bitten by from the anode is just gonna hurt, not kill you. Yes, you're looking at several dozen kilovolts biting at you, but the current is so low it's not going to do much. Your standard static discharge is in the lower end of the same range voltage wise.

The thing that actually IS dangerous in a CRT is the large filter caps in the power supply. Those hold far more than enough charge and will discharge over a long enough period of time, that if you do end up shorting one of those across your heart, it could very well kill you.

>>4742259
>pc monitor
>1600x1200
>emulation
>bsnes
All around revolting.

>>4742258
Why are the colors so wrong there

>>4742225
Looks authentic to me. Emulation is amazing in its own way.

>>4742296
Partially an effect of the camera, and partially the palette I was using.

>>4742279
I have no idea why it is labeled aperture.cgp, it has no qualities I can see which relate to that. But among the various CRT shaders it seems to give the best results.

>>4726809
how precarious

>>4742302
>playing the most beautiful and colorful H32 MD game over composite
what a pleb

>win auction for 12 eur
>black IBM 17'' CRT PC
>package gets lost in another town because a cunt wrote the wrong address
>albanian courier curses me out on the phone and tags it as delivered anyway
>mad as fuck, call the company and complain
>eventually they locate the guy who had it and arrange it to be shipped to me again
>package arrives
>bezel has a huge crack on the side

Looking for a grip of some sort to attempt to glue it together. I dont have much hope though. Im in so much pain.

>>4742098
>>4742180
>>4742194
>>4742287
Wouldn't it be the safest bet to just leave your CRT completely unplugged for a long period before you work on it? What's a safe length of time?

>>4742591
>What's a safe length of time?
about 7 years

>>4742591
no.
capacitors can retain their charge for a very long time, and the tube itself is like a big capacitor.
decently modern crts usually do have a discharge resistor, but it's safer to always discharge.

>>4742541
m8 just bondo putty that shit
>>4742225
how dim is your CRT that you need to shoot at ISO 3200?

>>4742597
Ill look that up, temporary fix for now

>>4726809
Those couch cushions have to be so firm...

were there any crts in australia capable of displaying an NTSC signal or i doomed to a life of mediocrity

>>4742786
why do you need a NTSC signal?

>>4742597
It's not the dimness of the CRT it's the necessity when shooting at a 400mm focal length in order to get a sharp photo. I don't have a tripod.

I think that photo was shot at around 1/200th of a second. It took several tries to catch the raster being drawn where Link is in that photo. If I had shot 1/60 or slower I could have used a lower ISO value, but the photo would be blurrier. I could have used a shorter focal length to get a less macro shot, but that wasn't what I was going for.

As it is, there is not so much noise in the image since it is a fairly bright image. ISO noise is relative to the amount of light falling on the camera sensor.

>>4742529
This TV doesn't have ports for s-video or RGB and I don't own one that does.

>>4742920
What is the f stop of your lens?
I just metered my el shitto ten year old LCD and at 1/200 f/5.0 it was ISO 800 at standard exposure
at 3200 the histogram was way off the right side
If you're taking a 400mm equivalent macro shot I'm guessing you're using a prosumer digicam with an integrated IS lens otherwise 1/200 would be too slow for 400mm and if it were an SLR you would also need stacked close-up adapters as big as my head

>>4742856
>he doesn’t play in 60Hz

>>4740930
Thanks for the heads up! It looks great now.

>>4742946
>he doesn't grasp that you don't necessarily need NTSC decoding to play 60hz games, particularly if you have access to RGB or YPbPr inputs.

>>4742289
Are you one of those fags who hates anything emulation?

>>4743026
Are you one of those fags who doesn’t make enough flipping burgers to buy retro games and convinced himself that laggy, inaccurate emulation is acceptable?

>>4742998
>he doesn’t grasp that PAL games are hard coded to 50Hz and his childhood was a lie

Is there a recommended cable set for component for ps2 on crts? I have a toshiba crt (not flat panel) with component and wanted to see how nice it would make ps1/2 games look. I also have a dreamcast if there is any upgrade options for that cable wise? Currently the tv only gets used for my anime VHS collection.

>>4743101
Got plenty of 60hz games released in the PAL region.

Try again.

>>4743097
>buying cartridges
>when flashcarts exist
Enjoy wasting money I guess

>>4743150
Didn't have much choice but to buy this one.

Ah well at least it was cheap.

>>4743102
monster cables

>>4743102
Those multi system cables work just fine. There is one that is ps2/3, 360 and wii that is out there that is really useful. The ps2 ones almost always work with ps3. The ps2/3, cube and OG xbox are meh only because the cube is stuck to svideo and the OG xbox looks best with their proprietary cable (and best with that new OG xbox hdmi cable)

>>4743187
>Monster

>>4743097
>who doesn’t make enough flipping burgers to buy retro games
>laggy, inaccurate emulation

Did you stuff enough memes in that post? Cool projection though.

>>4743163
Yeah, you're right, there's a few that don't work on my mega everdrive. I think the second Might and Magic game for one, and I can't get Golden Axe III or NBA Jam Tournament Edition to work either. Might be bad roms tho

>>4743102
>Is there a recommended cable set for component for ps2 on crts?
Official Sony, Monster, or Psyclone. HD Retrovision is also about to come out with their own set of PS2/PS3 cables.

>>4743210
>HD Retrovision is also about to come out with their own set of PS2/PS3 cables.

Fucking WHY?

>>4743097
Ironic because you need to spend money on a good PC to be able to use non-laggy, accurate emulators effectively.

>>4743216

>>4743237
>Official cables are often expensive
>GOOD GOY, BUY OURS FOR A MERE 60 FREEDOM SHEKELS!

>>4743243
kek.

>>4743243
$26 + shipping, but point taken. You can find the Monster or Psyclone cables for the same or less and usually with free shipping too.

>>4742225
>>4742258

Looks good, pham.

My own CRT monitor isn't high enough res to do the CRT shader thing effectively (1440x1080@60Hz is its limit), so I just use the superwide 3840x480 with interlacing black line shader method. I also like to use tvout-tweaks shader to simulate lower bandwidth signals, whenever such blurring is beneficial.

>>4743102
They sold a multi-cable at Gamestop years ago which I think is as good as any out there.

>>4743325
this one is good too

>>4742942
I was shoooting at f/6.3. You are right that 1/200th is too slow for 400mm, but any faster than that and I couldn't catch Link correctly as the raster flashes by. Any slower and the photo is blurry. I took about 50 photos and that one was the best.

f-stop is also different from t-stop, which measures the transmission of the lens. My lens is a cheaper 28-300mm super zoom lens and it may have a t-stop which is measured worse than the f/6.3 would suggest. In addition to this I was placing a cheap macro converter lens in front of my zoom lens to allow me to focus even closer.

No image stabilization was used. I used a Canon 1D Mark II and a Tamron 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 zoom lens.

>>4743097
Show me your collection of perfectly working 80s Japanese computers. Show me your supergun setup with every CPS2 title.

>>4742942
Also ISO is not the same among different sensor sizes. An ISO rating number for one sensor may correspond to a different rating for another sensor. This will explain better than I can
https://youtu.be/DtDotqLx6nA

>>4743350
Speaking as someone who used to work for dpreview.com in the pre-amazon era I can say with authority that this video is needlessly confusing and doesn't really explain the fundamentals of crop-factor equivalence in a satisfactory manner.

Also, you should definitely invest in a decent 100mm macro lens for your 1DmII. We used to use a Canon 2.8 on a D30 for our product shots but the Tamron, Sigma and Tokina alternatives are uniformly excellent for taking close-ups of CRTs.

>>4743376
I have a 135mm f/2.8 macro lens but it wasn't giving me as good of a result as the 28-300. It couldn't get close enough.

>>4743476
I reckon either you're using it wrong, or it's not really a macro lens.

I've finished up for the night as I need to be up at 4am UK time but will try to post some 1:1 reproduction images tomorrow, taken with a 55mm Micro-Nikkor.

>>4743187
>>4743325
>>4743196
>>4743210
I guess I'll be getting a set of monster cables then. Is there anything like this for snes/segacd and saturn/etc? Maybe later if anyone likes seeing setups and collections i'll show the tv and dreamcast and the anime vhs collection.

>>4743350
ISO sensitivity is technically the same among different sensor sizes, it's just that not all makers report ISO values accurately and the real ISO sensitivity can differ from the one reported by the camera
>>4743338
T-stops to my knowledge are more relevant to movie cameras, and would probably not change the exposure by more than a third of a stop.
Macro converter lenses placed in front of the lens will cause some blurring but to my knowledge will not appreciably affect the exposure, extension tubes on the back of the lens however would do that.
>>4743376
300mm shitty "macro" lenses with closeup adaptors can actually provide decent results if you don't mind listening to the motor grind. The old canon 100mm/2.8 macro lens with geared motor can be picked up quite cheaply, I have one but to be honest I enjoyed the 300 more back when I was into macro stuff.

What can I do about these lines?

>>4743340
After you show me your Lamborgini

>>4743983
You just proved my point.

>>4743978
Do they move? Is this display signal coming from an external device or from an input select within the monitor itself? do you have little holes with potentiometer screws somewhere? Haven't touched a CRT in years but it reminds me of signal or amplification noise or bad VCR tracking, although that's usually white

>>4743983
>>4743987
I'm losing track of which of you is who but one or both of you should smear yourselves with poop

>>4744001
>do they move?
Yes, they climb up the TV
>is the display signal coming from an external device?
Yes, my Genesis hooked up with composite. It only does it with this TV though. Could it be the ports?

>>4744045
Maybe twist the RCA plugs and see if anything changes, it it does they might need cleaning. Do you have any adjustment potentiometers visible anywhere? They would look like a recessed plastic screw inside a little hole and they would be labeled. Can you hook it up to another signal input like the coax and see if the lines are there?

What happened to Free 20L5 Guy?

>>4742234

>>4744291
What kind of display is this?

Are there any PC CRT monitors that have a cube form factor like the PVM series?

>>4744291

>>4744295
This one. >>4740213

>>4742786
Yep, it was pretty common in 2000s models.

>>4740386
Yes, and some of the big pro ones make a hideous shriek when you press the power button.

How do you people take photos of these things without those black bars appearing over the screen?

>>4744439
What are you using? Set your camera’s shutter speed to match the screen refesh rate, or if using a phone try burst mode.

how do ya'll mount your extron crosspoints? It's really fucking annoying whenever I want to add a new system or even just change some cables. Really wish i had a server rack with sliding shelves.

>>4743102
just buy ps3 component cables. they're cheap and nice. Don't go for 3 in 1 cable sets since they suck

Pic related will go into the trash soon. Unlike TVs, the supply of used CRT PC monitors around is too high. They sell for $10-15 so its not worth the effort.

>>4745207
>Unlike TVs, the supply of used CRT PC monitors around is too high
That's what they always say

Interesting documentary on how the Japanese took over the American TV industry
https://youtu.be/aesJTsZqm6c

Can anyone recommend a good 32inch CRT?

>>4745575
Yeah, search craigslist for “32 inch crt” and pick the cheapest one

>>4745583
Thanks

>>4744704
bumping for important question that will never get answered on here

>>4745575
>>4745583
Even better suggestion, go to a goodwill or similar. I got a 32" toshiba crt with component for 5 bucks.

>>4745651
>goodwill or similar
I would go with "similar". Every city has tons of second hand stores that are far superior to goodwill.

>>4745659
Yeah. I got mine from a mom and pop style place. Also ggot a good amount of my anime vhs there. Speaking of which, dreamcast was hooked up last night, but i'm not sure what to play first. Maybe Langrisser or Time Stalker?

After i get the anime vhs organized next to vcr and dreamcast i'll upload a picture.

Can't help but noticing the scan lines flickering in a horizontal motion. Reminds me of a water ripple. It isn't really noticeable unless I pause my game. Is this a normal?

Amazing water

>>4745668
>>4743676
Still messy and not much room, but the dreamcast for sure works. Anyine have recommendations for cleaners for tv screens and for cleaning consoles?

Sold my 13" PVMeme to get a 19" PVMeme (OEV203)

So has anyone ITT ever visited the places mentioned in that CRT hunting Pastebin? I'm curious if those searches yielded any results.

Where has the advcfg utitlity gone in advancemame?

>>4746170
link to pastebin

>>4746454
>>4724804

>>4746471
>>4746170
I've been to all of these place and the pastebin is accurate. There's one more good place not mentioned

>University Electronics Repair Workshop

Every big building in a University that does any kind of research has a repair shop in the basement. If you are a student there you may go ask politely if they have any old monitors they would want to surplus or donate to your "experiments" at home. Like the guide says, don't go too far into the video game side. Just say you need a particular monitor with certain characteristics. Most of these places have a backroom filled with old computers and monitors dating back to the 80s. If you are very lucky they may give you a CGA monitor.

Know what you are looking in these places. You are not likely to find a PVM. You -are- likely to find a white or beige workstation monitor that supports 15-38khz scan range. It will look like any old PC monitor, but it is actually a tri-sync arcade monitor for our purposes. There are a great many other kinds of workstation monitors out there, some that can do very high resolutions. It's up to you what you want.

pic also related. These massive 21" Sun monitors are just as great as any old PVM/BVM monitor in their own ways. I wish I could find one again.

>>4746518
As someone currently living on-campus, I'll be sure to check this out.
>Most of these places have a backroom filled with old computers and monitors dating back to the 80s. If you are very lucky they may give you a CGA monitor.
This sounds enticing as hell since I've been looking for a good monitor for my Commodore 128.

>>4746536
They are more likely to give you something for that if you can talk with some degree of knowledge about the system. The kind of wizards you find in those places used those computers back in the day.

>>4746170
those places would be reasonable to visit in smaller cities or towns. Living in a major city like NYC makes those options less likely to have monitors. Those facilities have long since updated and gotten rid of their monitors because of spacial limitations.

I have met people in the city and purchased monitors from them. 9/10 times they'll tell me they used to work in a hospital or in video production and just took a monitor when they left. Shit sucks over here.

>>4746801
Well, i wrote it two years ago, and conditions aren't going to get better for hunting around. Tokyo would be worse, I'd guess, at least for pro gear.

>>4746518
>You -are- likely to find a white or beige workstation monitor that supports 15-38khz scan range.
Not a pro 15Khz set, so not really covered by the guide. If you want to keep going you can expand the list to anyone using high-end PC gear, which would include advertising, design, engineering, architecture, et al. I will agree that universities are good places to try, I'm tracing a lead at one right now.

>>4745645
I just have mine stacked on top of my monitor. Not the best look but it's all i can do right now.

Anyone know anything about these guys? http://earlytelevision.org/

They are trying to setup a crt repair shop but they seem to be very stuck in web 1.0, maybe some of the autists here with coding skills could contact them and help them with their website and maybe see if they could help them in any other way? Having a place that can fully repair crts would be be SO INVALUABLE in the future that I'm surprised this hasnt been mentioned in the thread yet.

Vid related:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3G7b-DcOO4

The image of my crt tv is "jumping" whenever a white screen appears, how do I fix this?

CAN I ADJUST POTS WITHOUT DISCHARGING TUBE

>>4747069
>Not a pro 15Khz set, so not really covered by the guide.
Well maybe it should be?

Let's talk about how hard it would be for someone to actually start producing CRTs again and selling them for the retro gaming market.

You'd probably want to contact some company that made cheap television tubes in the past.
That company might be Wei-ya, since they still sell CRT monitors.

You'd build a wooden, metal, or plastic case for the monitor with knobs on the front. I am not sure if these monitors have an OSD. I know some of the late Wells Gardner monitors did. If they don't it's not a big loss.

Then they'd be rebranded as retro gaming televisions and sold to people who want an "RGB Monitor" but don't want to buy a used PVM.

>>4745882
So this...is how the developers intended...

>>4747389
quick rundown on weiya?

>>4748158
I have never owned one but from what I have read here and there they are well liked but do have some history of quality control issues. The overall sentiment seems to be "well, it's not as good as a brand new Sanwa/Wells Gardner/Hantaraex, but it's better than an old busted monitor". The dot pitch is suited more for 31khz modes, so if you use it for 240p it will have more noticeable black scanlines than an "old fashioned" arcade monitor.

Are they aperture grille designs is the question I'm trying to figure out right now.

Tard question. I've got a CRT that's in the neighborhood of 15 years old, but it was low end even for its time. Mono audio and everything. But I've got a workaround for that. What I'd like to ask about is the background noise. This thing makes a screeching sound which gets higher and lower in pitch based on what's on screen. Blacks seem to decrease the pitch, brighter colors (including white) increase it.

Can someone point me in the right direction to find out why this is and what I can do about it? The noise even manages to pierce through my headphones. That shouldn't happen, even on a CRT, should it?

>>4748565
Cheaply made CRTs develop this whining noise over time. Could be the flyback transformer, could be something else. There's nothing you can do about it. Get another CRT.

For anyone about to say it's 15khz whine, that's not the case.

>>4748575
Bummer. Thanks for the prompt reply though.

>>4744296
BVM's

>>4748589
Those are not capable of 1600x1200 or 2048x1536.

>>4748303
>Are they aperture grille designs is the question I'm trying to figure out right now.
The answer is no.

Diamondtron 2070sd worth $300? Haven't really found a crt above a 1600x1200 rating locally, so I was thinking of biting the bullet and treating myself

>>4748303
It'll be slot mask or regular shadow mask. Aperture grille was pretty much only Sony except for some late model PC monitors once the patent ran out.

>>4748565
All SD CRTs have a ~15.6kHz whine.

>>4745645
Get a small server rack or make a bracket and mount wherever . No one answered because that's how everyone does it.

free KV-32FS100 on craigslist, is it worth the tremendous pain it'd be to move?

>>4744704
IKEA Lack rack maybe.

>>4748974
>giant
>free
>has component inputs
What do you think?

>>4747234
What connection are you using? I've seen this happen with Rob when no capacitors were in line where they needed to be. in other words it was getting too strong of a signal.

>>4748974
Get if fast. Don't be a brainlet and miss out!

Hello CRT enthusiasts
Long story short - I want a decent general purpose (retro gaming and fiddling with Photoshop mainly) computer display. There are two nice displays in my area: Dell Ultrascan 1110 (21 inch, trinintron, dual d-sub connectors) and Sony G420 (19 inch, trinitron, built-in usb hub, blaze it), both are around 8 USD.
Which one should I go for?
pic unrelated

>>4749069
get them both, they are 8 bucks each dumbass

>>4749069
also what game is that on the screen?

>>4749114
Grand Theft Auto.

>>4749110
They are both heavy as fuck, besides I only got this much free space on my desk.
>>4749114
Looks like first GTA.

>>4749135
Get the Dell

>>4748801
It's a great monitor. $300 is up to you, but at that price it had better work perfectly.

>>4749069
get them both. You won't know which one is really better until you can get home and test each one properly.

Sony KV-32XBR70 for $40 in my area. Should I pick it up? It has s-video

>>4749635
I like that a lot actually

>>4749635
>>4749635
yes. those old console tvs are super comfy and make great counter shelf space. Sony XBR were high end tv sets in america. It will be very heavy tho so bring a friend to help lift.

>crt fetish
>can't stand lcds
>finally had my first look at a high end oled display
>got the chance to run some emulators on it
>Those vibrant colors atop deep inky blacks made it look like the sprite work had been painted on the screen

Jesus fuck. Playing a game with a lot of black backgrounds like Castlevania III or Metroid was absolute magic. If we could get rid of the input lag then I think I'd jump ship honestly. Fuck

>>4749682
faggot

>>4748898
I went and looked at some of them today and they are shadow masks. It was very apparent even from a couple of feet away on a 29" monitor.

Image quality was good, but also nothing special. It's just a monitor. If you have seen any modern arcade game with a 29" flat CRT in it then you have seen one of these. The two games I was looking at were The Fast and the Furious Drift and one of those Big Buck Hunter games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIG0nMjRq2s