/vr/ - Retro Games

n64 or ps1. the sega consoles didn't have good games

>>4722663
That's literally the premise of the thread you mid-functioning mongoloid

>>4722658
I would have to go with the Dreamcast. Even though the controller is inferior, the memory cards were a sham, and the console itself was prone to failure, it did have a lot more genuine hype behind it with great and better games. It arguably had better games at launch compared to the Saturn. It also actually had Sonic games. Something the Saturn missed out on outside of a port of 3D Blast. Then to top it all off it was the more powerful console and probably everything the Saturn should have been. Perhaps Sega should have waited and never made the Saturn. Although this would mean they would have had to sit out of the 5th gen which to them would have been seen as too risky. Then again, after what they did with Saturn that risk would have probably paid off for them much better since Saturn was such a flop. You'd also have to think that a lot of those Saturn games would have been instead developed for the Dreamcast and ended up being much better anyways. The only thing that changes is Sega missing most of the mid-late 90s. Which they did miss out on anyways since Saturn flopped.

Dreamcast wins this easily.

>>4722658
Dreamcast since it could’ve been the console that had a “Halo” before XBox.

Saturn failed because of a lot of reason piled up
lack of a DND player was really the only thing that gave the PS2 such an advantage.
the DC had the best fighters, shooters, and even sports games ever on a console that soon in its lifespan. The Sega Sports games were even kicking EA's ass until EA bought all the rights to everything ever.

>>4722770
>lack of a DND player was really the only thing that gave the PS2 such an advantage.
Consumer perception. Literally no region had a positive perception of Sega hardware at the time thanks to a string of aborted hardware going back to the 32X. Even the Japanese were butthurt at Sega since the Saturn built a healthy ecosystem there and it was abruptly cut short 4 years in with nothing to help transition owners to this new box that couldn’t play their Saturn games.

>>4722667
no i mean the thread should be about n64 or ps1 instead, those ones had better potential to be great. the sega ones were duds unfortunately

>>4722841
>no i mean the great consoles of the 5th gen could have been great, but im too dumb to realize wtf i just said.

>>4722780
I worked at EB in 1998-99. I shilled the DC hard as fuck since I was a fanboy.
Average people didn't even remember the Saturn or 32X. They only knew that the PS2 would play DVDs and the DC didn't. the online aspect of the DC wasn't even much of a selling point to most people.
The combo of people knowing the PS brand, it being backwards compatible and ALSO having a fucking DVD PLAYER?! That's all they needed to hear. The PS2's price point was also damn nice.

The world was different back then, and it doesn't even feel that long ago.

>>4722658
The saturn could have been really good, but it all got fucked with the 32x and sega cd. If sega held off on the cd and 32x and just focused on the saturn, i think it could have been a top competitor. Then the dreamcast would be even more powerful due to the saturns lifespan being longer and more time for DC development. If sega didnt fuck up, they could have still been a top console competitor.

>>4722658
dreamcast, more polygones, more frames for sprites. Best variety of games. Any game on saturn could and should have been ported to dreamcast

Dreamcast cause it's easier -way easier- to program for. That means fuck all to a consumer like me EXCEPT more games, and with more variety.

>>4722658
>Assuming that they both had been financial successes
Technically speaking, the Saturn was a financial success in Japan, but that's beside the point.
Speaking in terms of potential, I think the Saturn was the stronger console. While I do love the Dreamcast very much, it's kinda stuck between the fifth and sixth generation of consoles. I think due to that, it would start to show its weaknesses if it kept selling in the mid-00s, specially when compared to the Gamecube and Xbox. I guess if it was successful, a Dreamcast revision would have been made, I imagine.
I think if the Saturn had really taken off in the West, Sega might still be a hardware manufacturer. There's so many great games for it, and has very good arcade ports in it as well. It's JP library is a testament to how good the console could be. Unfortunately, I think focusing on 2D, while being it's strongest aspect, was ultimately a mistake since that era was defined by the 3D meme. But goddamn, I think people would have been open to badass 2D games too had the Saturn been marketed better in the west.

>>4722658
Saturn is practically worthless unless you know Japanese. Dreamcast less so.

>>4722658
Industry insider here. DC all the way.

There were a ton of DC games that got scrapped by 3rd party developers when Sega announced they were dropping hardware and had become just another competitor.

Pic related; we stopped this title from shipping; it was just a port from the extant ps1, 90% in the box when they canceled it.

Cost them around a half million in units sold, easy.

>>4723089
Had it held on a few more years we'd really have got one of the most incredible libraries of all-time. The Xbox got about 10 good games due to platforms being switched, and the PS2 and Gamecube around 5 each. And i'm still pissed Propellar Arena was cancelled. Couldn't Mossad have waited 8 more days?

>>4722658
Saturn because I want to see what untapped potential it had in terms of 2D games.

>>4722658
Saturn has good games, although when it comes to raw potential the DC is more impressive

>>4723016
>more polygones
If more poly were gones wouldn't that be a bad thing? Or are poly a bad thing you don't want around so it's better if they gones? Honestly I don't even know what poly be.

>>4722841
Just die already and leave the board to the adults.

Saturn > Megadrive > Master System > Dreamcast

That said, there is no bad SEGA system. Well, aside from the Pico.

Machine that plays late 80s-early 90s arcade ports
versus
Machine that plays late 90s arcade ports.

Saturn wins. More appealing games.

>>4722658
I love them both, but Dreamcast has Shenmue, so Dreamcast wins.

Even though I prefer the Saturn, the Dreamcast actually did pretty well, it's just that SEGA was just bleeding too much money for half a decade so they just didn't have enough to continue. It's pretty normal to run at a loss the first years for a console, but also arcades around the world were starting to die off and a lot of their income just wasn't covering it, and whatever business model they were going for with the DC just wasn't enough to cover the damage on the short term.
Don't forget their CEO or whoever it was, don't remember the name had to inject his personal wealth into the company so the whole thing wouldn't go bankrupt.

The DC wasn't a failure, it's just that SEGA just was neck deep in shit, and anything short of a miracle could not save them.

>>4722658
I know everyone likes the Saturn one, but for my tastes the Dreamcast d-pad is one of the best of all time. It's tiny but accurate and I can do 360s, orochinagi motions and things like pretzels easier and faster with it than anything else.

So though I did and still love both systems, my nod goes to the Dreamcast.

I liked both daturn and dc. I had more fun with the saturn though.

I had more fun with the saturn back in the day. So its sega sat for me.

Dreamcast

Most games that were awesome for the Saturn were ported to the Dreamcast. Arcade ports for the most part were better too, other than maybe Daytona. Any games on the Saturn? I want to play it more

>>4723137
It squandered that potential though by being a console that tried to do both 2D and 3D but then doing none exceptionally well. Plus as said before, Sega fucked up by having the 32x and CD being a thing before Saturn even came out.

>>4724139
Saturn does 2d exceptionally well. Its 3d capabilities aren't terrible for the time.

>>4724140
It was known as being hard to develop for though. I've also seen /vr/ talk enough about the incredible incompetence of Sega to know that just about nothing they could have done at that time would have helped them since they were so petty and incompetent at how they were running their business.

>>4723067
PC gamers had no problem playing 2d games in the late 90s. They had better graphics. The obsession with 15 fps chunky polygon graphics with warping textures was all pushed by marketing.

>>4724139
>then doing none exceptionally well
newfag. the saturn could handle 2D miles better than the PSX could thanks to VDP2 and the ram cart

>>4724152
>The obsession with 15 fps chunky polygon graphics with warping textures was all pushed by marketing.

Probably true. I know I had no issue with 2D games even after playing plenty of great 3D games at that time.

>>4724165
Pretty much. I never heard of anyone not wanting to play a game because it was 2d other than reading old magazine reviews.

>>4724152
Saturn first party games have aged exceptionally

>>4722767
But Halo was headed to Mac before Microsoft came in and bought it.

>>4723229
Huh? The saturn and dreamcast are objectively bad consoles. Unless you're a child.

>>4724374
>Saturn & Dreamcast are bad consoles
t.Soyboy who never had a Saturn or Dreamcast

>>4724374
>>4724641
Saturn was bad. Dreamcast was good.

>>4724183
I will absolutely never understand some people's fascination with this game.

>>4726240
The Saturn wasn't bad at all. It had the best versions of arcade ports & it had great exclusives like Panzer Dragoon, Fighting Vipers, Nights, House Of The Dead & Virtual On..

>>4726245
t. >20 chainer

>>4726240
It was good even if you can't read moon

>>4726245
It's like Yoshi's Story, it's not supposed to be some mind-blowing adventure, it's a score attack game with chill aesthetics.

>>4722767
Halo sucked shit

>>4726823
>halo sucked
>the selling point of the console

Cmon, hate it all you want but without it Xbox wouldnt have survived the Console Wars.

>>4722663
Saturn already surpassed N64 in our timeline.

Dreamcast.

Saturn clearly couldn't do 3D properly, and even though on paper it's 2D capabilities are superior to PS1, no game truly shows it off.

>>4726405
>Virtual-On
Was also on Dreamcast. I have it and the Twin-stick controller.

>>4727996
>no game truly shows it off
I have both versions of Batman Forever The Arcade game, it looks much better on the Saturn than on the PS1. It's sharper and cleaner.

>>4728182
Awesome. I have it too.

>>4727996
Neither the ps1 or Saturn were proper 3d consoles. Look at the raw architecture difference between N64 and ps1/saturn. The 64 has far more power inside, mostly because that is what proper 3d needed.

>>4728382
Compared to Dreamcast they all look terrible. 5th gen just plain sucked for 3d. They should have all pushed it back a generation.

>>4722690
>The only thing that changes is Sega missing most of the mid-late 90s.

With the SEGA CD they would still have had a presence, just a minor one. Much like the actual Saturn did.

>>4724165
>>4724173
>>4723067
People had no problem with playing 2D games, but people did have a problem with paying hundreds for a new console only to still be stuck playing the same 2D shit that had already been done to death. If you didn't want to progress to 3D then they should haven't have released new 3D capable consoles. The whole "3D is a meme" meme needs to die already.

>>4722658
Dreamcast easily I can't believe this is even up for serious discussion. The saturn was a useless piece of shit on the same tier as the 3DO and Jaguar. It had a handful of decent games and a good controller but little of anything else.

>>4728390
>wanting to miss out on the glorious low poly era
>wanting to go straight from bright and colorful 2D games to the BROWN AND GREY 3D games of the 6th gen

Nah

>>4728390
>Compared to Dreamcast they all look terrible. 5th gen just plain sucked for 3d. They should have all pushed it back a generation.

That is why I think Sega should have waited and instead of releasing the Saturn skipped a gen to release the Dreamcast. Gen 5 would have been pretty crazy since it would have been PS1/N64 and maybe perhaps Dreamcast? Dreamcast would have likely been the bridge between 5 and 6 console generations. Saturn was such an unnecessary failure for them.

>>4728554
Yeah Sega broke my heart many times, that could have been a smart move for them.

>>4728438
Toeach their own. I was largely disappointed by gen 5, though it had some great gems like always. I have big love for great 2D graphics and big love for 3D once it got to a certain point. But I have very little love for the janky low polygon look of stuff in the middle.

>>4728390
>Compared to Dreamcast they all look terrible. 5th gen just plain sucked for 3d
Underage confirmed. People were gobsmacked by early 3D when it was new. Of course it looks shit to us now though.

>>4728438
>to the BROWN AND GREY 3D games of the 6th gen

kek this isn't even remotely true. Plenty of games looked like that sure but there was tons of colorful games that gen as well.
>>4728571
Sega's biggest downfall was their petty arguing between Sega America and Japan and also they released way too many consoles in too short of a time span. They should have been much more careful with their console business and refined their brands. They will always be good but they could have been great imo.

>>4728597
No, the opposite actually. I'd been seeing shitty 3D for a long time already, being at least as into computer games as console. Like I say, there were still some great games but to this day I see 5th gen as kind of a low point. Also I never liked Sony much. Sue me.

>>4728605
> they released way too many consoles in too short of a time span

This is the big one in my opinion. I was burned by the Sega CD, almost got a 32X but was smart, then basically burned by the Saturn and Dreamcast (even though I love them anyways). It was sad times.

>>4728608
In another timeline, Sega was smart and they kicked the competitions ass. They were the true top dogs... ;_;

>>4728616
Aye, and where the Playstaion flopped like the 3DO. Ohh how I can dream.

>>4728606
I went from a DOS 486 to a PS1 and the first thing I saw on it was this Tekken 3 demo. Couldn't believe my eyes. It was one of those moments where you realised what a huge graphical step had been taken.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OViNqWFF6w