/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[04-21] Rumors of a new Doom movie
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/100434-another-doom-movie-being-made/

[04-19] Anon's hack of Terminus's Doombike mod
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/4718315/#4722307
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=00088901197544308135

[04-19] Doom 2016 OST coming to vinyl
https://twitter.com/DOOM/status/986590166637842432

[04-17] Anon release: Firstmap.wad
http://www.mediafire.com/file/kiu1aq9kqr81zas/Firstmap.wad

[04-17] Trailblazer update 1.4c released, mostly bug fixes
https://pillowblaster.tumblr.com/post/172994870631/trailblazer-14c-update

[04-16] La Tailor Girl 1.52 released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&p=1050351#p1050351

[04-16] Booster public test build #2
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1G-Xg0dc8OOwkhq1AHKs2w7wpz-IRB3hD

[04-15] Patch to remove demon runes from D4T
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1050273#p1050273

[04-15] Conversion of Quake Ikwhite textures to Doom format
https://my.mixtape.moe/etefke.wad

[04-13] Anon texture release: Source engine-style devtextures
http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=93737565247231239878

[04-11] Heretical Doom updated to v1.2
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=56762

[04-11] Impromptu Minidido, large multi-author map for prboom/eternity, RC1 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/100311-impromptu-minidido-rc1/

[04-11] Anon map release: Soundless Mound
https://marisakirisa.me/tmp/soundless_m.pk7

[04-08] Anon map release: MAP01.wad (seems not to have any other title)
https://nofile.io/f/Sy9wXHX5j1g/MAP01.wad

[04-08] GZDoom Hardware Survey Concludes: older 2D backends to get the axe
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=60152
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=60156

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>>4727307
>[04-08] Anon map release: MAP01.wad (seems not to have any other title)
>https://nofile.io/f/Sy9wXHX5j1g/MAP01.wad

You know what, I'm gonna check this out and try to give feedback.

>>4727335
So far, I like the aesthetics in this. Solid start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnyxLLB2bHo
Transfering resources from some game, still a lot to do.

New grenade ammo container, contains six grenades, which can be taken one at a time. No longer will you accidentally step on a box and waste five grenades because you could only carry one more.

Also it's nice seeing the weapon graphics in full screen.

>>4727340
Seriously? RUDE.
Asking me to fight Archvile with no health, no armor and only a shotgun? Seriously?

Also I'm assuming this is trying to teach me that I should save often in this level.

>>4727340
>>4727351
>blurry
>over saturated
>fucked up aspect ratio
How can you even enjoy playing Doom like this?

>>4727351
Weird, that was actually MUCH easier after I disabled Always Run. In a small space like this, this meant maneuvering was way more precise.

People in this thread always told me "Always Run" should be always on, I feel lied to.

>>4727360
>In a small space like this, this meant maneuvering was way more precise.
Just hold shift to walk then.

>>4727341
Yo, those are some rather nice textures.

>>4727358
Huh, I didn't notice the bluriness.
I actually play it in 800x600 downscaled linear to 400x300, but I thought that'd be too small/pixelated to share in the thread, so I switch it to scaling to 1280x800 when taking screenshots, cause I thought it's gonna look better. I guess it didn't.

Pic related, how I actually play. Also pic related, aesthetics in this level are really good, I love the whole thing where a base is consumed by a FLESH DIMENSION.

>>4727370
Then, a Baron of Hell, that's super easy to kill in a super cheesy way.

One thing I noticed so far is that this level like to throw tough enemies at you, and gives you more than ample cover to fight them fair, even if you only have a shotgun.
I like that. I think that's when Doom is at its purest, when it turns into battle between you and demons, you having to outsmart them and outdodge them because they have you outgunned.

>>4727379
And then an imp maze in the dark (optional, but noone will skip it because it's a shortcut and gives you plenty of shotgun ammo), and then it ends.

I have to say, if this was first level of a larger wad, I'd definitely keep playing to see what comes next.

Neat.

I like this level! It's sort of short, and the only weapon is the shotgun - but I think judging by the name, MAP01, it serves it's purpose well - as in, as a first level of a larger wad.

It definitely feels very good to play, and having small amount of weak monsters in places where you can fight them fair is definitely an interesting take on an opening level of a wad, rather than usual stuff of simply siccing hordes of weak enemies at you.

I like the imaginative encounters - simple, but interesting and fair. I especially like how author unleashes a Baron shriek right behind players back, forcing them to go downstairs seeking more place to fight - right in the line of fire of several shotgunners, that was a really cool moment. But in the end, all encounters - Archvile, Caco, Hellknight and Baron were all interesting and somewhat memorable.

Good level.

Gimmie some tips and tricks on how to start infighting. Infighting's pretty useful and it's always fun to watch monsters fight but how come it doesn't work all of the time?

>>4727416
First of all, starting infighting works best with hitscanner enemies. They're the best for this, as they're easiest to 'aim' at other monsters. Arachnotrons and mancubi are also good for this. Starting infighting with projectiles are harder, and melee is actually impossible. Similarly, despite arch-vile attack being hitscan, it can't start infighting either.

Generally what you want to do is to simply run circles around the group of enemies that include one of these infight-heavy enemies. Eventually, someone will start infighting.

Has anyone here played Highway to Hell?
If yes what do you think?

>>4727428
It was okay
The railgun felt a bit slow, SSG's primary and secondary fire are switched and i don't get the point of a machinegun and uzi's as a starter weapon.

>>4727425
Melee infighting is possible, but only when it's from A_SkullAttack

>>4727351
There's a Berserk Pack secret at the beginning, I assumed you were just supposed to punch the fuck out of him while using the pillars as covers.

Kind of intense to fistfight to the death, a nightmarish demon in a locker room like that. Like I'm imagining an all nude doomguy full with berserker rage, punching as hard as he can, finally gouging the vile's eyes out and slamming it's head into the concrete wall until it stops moving.

>>4727416
Projectiles of the same species don't work, generally.
Guns work great, a chaingunner firing indiscriminately can make a whole bunch of guys really pissed, and mancubodes let loose large volleys of fire kind of recklessly, so it's easy to trick them to hit others.

>>4727425
>melee is actually impossible
Depends. As mentioned, lost souls are prone to start bumping/ramming each other (which looks funny as shit), but monsters can indeed start meleeing each other.

This depends on sourceports, and some of this can be mods, but if you're agile enough, a melee attack can sometimes tag another monster, even of the same species, and since these are technically short range hitscans, they'll star beating and clawing at each other, even if they're the same species.
Then there's the barrel, and this works in vanilla, if a monster sets off a barrel, and hurts another monster, this can piss the other one off and he'll go over there and slap that guy, there was also a very strange vanilla bug where a monster hurting itself with a barrel would start using melee attacks on itself.

WELL I BETTER POST THIS HERE TOO. IT'S SATURDAY. WHAT'RE YOU WORKING ON?

>>4727429
Personally I really like it.
The SSG isn't a problem for me.
I think the uzi was added for the sake of a dual wielding weapon.
Loved the flamethrower.

>>4727445
when naked but you really wanna punch a fucker

darksucker is a good wood

currently replaying heretic, I think that game is better than Doom 2, the pacing feels a lot better

>>4727370
>pushing the saturation like that
Goddamn dude, why

>>4727445
I figured out how to lower the statue in my map with one switch instead of two.

I made a sector with the desired floor height and put eight small sectors into it, one for each sector that makes up the statue. Then simply joined the sectors together and kept the 159 action on the switch.

>>4727464
Noice.

>>4727464
handhairjob? hairhandjob? I don't know anymore!

>>4727495
I'm playing on a crappy laptop screen whose settings I can't really adjust, so I oversaturate it to compensate for washed out screen.

>>4727348
Is this your ICD re-vamp? looking forward to it (although I'll miss the side view guns I understand why you changed them)

>>4727567
I must say, that's pretty genius

I'm playing EvilTech and I can't figure out, for the life of me, how to get the yellow key on Map13

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/eviltecc

>>4727574
Yeah.
I'm ok with angled guns, but I think centered guns just fits Doom better, also mixing angled and centered guns I think just looks bad.

Not 100% sure what I'll do with the Uzis, though, since there aren't really any good centered Uzi graphics that look consistent with the Shadow Warrior ones (which I kind of want to go with, possibly working them over a bit).

There'll still always be the regular ported classic version available though.

>>4727567
what's the highest aspect ratio can it achieve

>>4727586
I managed to make progress, I don't think I need help anymore

Go ahead and give the megawad a try though if you want

What are ZDoom-isms?

At what point do you just F.E.A.R.?

>>4727629
Go 2 It

>>4727629
[muffled agitation noises in the distance]

>>4727620
Where did you even hear that expression
>>4727629
Pretty much any slaughtermap

>>4727604
Aspect ratio? It's 16:10 screen, but I play it windowed in small resolution because my computer can't really handle playing Doom in high resolution with dynamic lights and stuff (it's a pretty crappy computer). Plus I prefer playing windowed anyway since it lets me multitask and stuff.

>>4727445
MY FUCKING GOD I HATE THIS SO MUCH

>>4727629
>when you grab an item and there's a swarm of boners
>when you're still only hauling the shotgun and chaingun and you hear a Cyberdemon roar and know he's coming for you
>when archies come to play and there's already a horde of enemies trying to restrict your movement

>>4727620
putting op custom monsters in your maps

>>4727629
>
>>4727637
>Plus I prefer playing windowed anyway since it lets me multitask and stuff.
can't be more important than playing doom

>>4727629
I'm F.E.A.R:ing at every moment. It's kind of the point

>>4727416
Elder god tier is making a monster melee itself to death after hurting itself by detonating a barrel that doesn't kill it.

>>4727620
bugs in maps not designed specifically for zdoom but which zdoom silently works around for you so you only notice them when trying to run in other source ports.

for example map03 of hellcore 2.0 you can only leave the first room in zdoom because the door has a walk trigger in front of it. zdoom makes all non-pressable special lines transparent to use key presses. so despite hellcore 2.0 declaring itself a boom-compatible mapset, you can't play it successfully in any source port other than zdoom+derivatives.

>>4727650
wrong pic

>>4727486
I wanted to make something like that a long time ago, but couldn't figure out how.

>>4727445
Working on my first ever map, going for a castle theme with it (as shown by the level name.)

>>4727445
>>4727681
Here's a bit of a screenshot of the actual level view as well for my castle level.

What do you think of MetaDoom?
I see there are mixed opinions about it.

I'm tried to run Brutal Doom with Mr. Friendly, but it crashes upon loading a level with this error. What would I have to change in either mod to make them compatible?

>>4727691
Obvious bait, but you can start by removing brutal doom.

>>4727691

>>4727691
>What would I have to change in either mod to make them compatible?

Far more than would actually be worth it, even for the meme.

>>4727620
Forgetting to disable crouching/jumping but making it unclear if player is supposed to use them or not.

>>4727445
I Don't know if its ok to show frankesprites count so im just gonna post this frame and thats it.

>>4727708

Just found that out after 15 minutes of cutting out code from Mr. Friendly and getting an error in the worldtick function.

>>4727712
don't know where you heard that but it is comedically wrong
>>4727715
>I Don't know if its ok to show frankesprites
anything you made is fine

>>4727629
When I see lots of pinkies coming, when I hear one arch-vile, or more arch-viles.

I really like how the SSG looks in Faspons.

>>4727629

When my Level 1 Rattata holds on with its Focus Sash and uses Endeavor on the opponent

>>4727684
Those pillars look nice. Put in a few red torches, too.

>>4727715
We LOVE Frankensprites
For example, this was meant to go on walls and spew out Lost Souls, but then that got scrapped in favor of the Pain Elemental.. Heck, these sprites are even inside the Pain Elemental and ingenuity of it all blows our minds

>>4727715
Frankensprites are among my favorite, it takes some skill to do them well.

The skull plasma thing there looks pretty badass.

>>4727629
The first time I ever faced the fucking Fiends in Quake. Fuckers gave me nightmares as a kid.

>>4727746
Oh yeah, what did they make the Pain Elemental out of?

>cacodemon body (recolored)
>imp arms
>cyberdemon horns
>beta blursphere (eye)
>leftover "blobmonster" wip graphics

>>4727745
Thanks! It took a few tries on the pillar size and textures to get something I was satisfied with, and I'll keep the red torches in mind as well!

I wasn't sure when I should start adding decorations and stuff, but I'm satisfied enough with this entry hall now that adding stuff like that isn't a bad idea.

>>4727749
>>4727724
>>4727746
Well alright then, heres the full sprite sheet that i made, yes i am redead-ita.

>>4727763
very nice demonic weapon. also welcome

Is there a retro FPS that still looks somewhat good with HD textures?

>>4727781
No.

>>4727781
Never with higher resolution, but truecolor texture replacements can be great

>>4727781
They look better in their normal resolution textures. Just upping resolution will just make things look weird, fake and uncanny.

Now, something that CAN look good, is if you made lightmaps, bumpmaps and normal maps for all the textures, sprites and flats in Doom, that can look totally excellent if done skillfully.

>>4727779
Thanks also heres annother that i made,

>>4727763
That is one sad skull

>>4727690
It's a great, but flawed mod

>>4727789
So there are good texture replacements?Of course no HD or anything like that.

>>4727803
I think it would really benefit from the extra chaingun rotation frames in Smooth Doom

>>4727814
Every mod has its flaws.
This one is problably how some weapons feel.

>>4727815
Replacements? Uh, well, people have made various texture sets, but I don't know if they'd strictly work as replacements for Doom's original textures.

>>4727445
made a new sky for bonus episode

>>4727820
I'm gonna blame it on Doom 3 sounds
I wonder if the machinegun would be better with the sounds of the HAR from Doom 16

>>4727831
c u t e

Anyone have a download to the Qonquer mod for Quake? The original link is down.

>>4727629
>Approach map exit.
>A bunch of demons suddenly spawn in, but don't block the exit off.

sayonara

>>4727594
I get what you mean; hopefully you find something you're happy with. The guns in ICD are still amazing to this day, just so damn satisfying to use.

>>4727629
Archviles in Hideous Destructor

>>4727629
"... You're being watched"

>>4727874
Just about anything that is multiple Imps, a large assortment of zombiemen aware to your presence at once, or nastier in Hideous Destructor pretty much elicits panic.

>>4727874
I really don't understand how to even play Hideous Destructor. I get shot, my screen flashes a bunch, and then I bleed out. And there's no way to not get shot because hitscan.

>>4727887
It turns the game into a one-man-army Rainbow Six, with all the horseshit that implies. You gotta take corners slowly and carefully, crouch-shoot foes, make sure to memorize applying bandages or tossing armor off if you're set on fire, and all sorts of micromanagement of both your gear and enemies around you least you die in seconds.

Honestly, i'd rather someone just make a high-damage mod that adds more realistic weapons and smarter monsters but doesn't try to overcomplicate the gameplay for my sort of "high difficulty kinda-realistic shooter" fix.

>>4727831
wait, episode of WHAT?

>>4727901
rekkr, guessing by the graphic resolution and palette.

>>4727904
ah, yeah I'm starting to see it, thanks

Gotta figure out how I'm going to use all this empty space. I overestimated how big this would be in game. Felt my first map was a bit cramped.

New abort_m feature

>>4727917
Are you ever going to make a real mod or are you content to reheat stale memes until the end of time? Fuck outta here.

>>4727897
I'd like that a lot better too.

I think Hideous Destructor is just too hard for me.

>>4727925
you sound upset that someone's having fun, anon.

>>4727929
don't respond, just report.

>>4727917
would actually be funnier with just the middle fingers and (i assume) noises. The best part of brutal drm is bd fanboi reactions though so it works

>>4727929
No, I'm asking him a question. This weeb spaniard just sits here making doom_txt bait and regurgitating dead memes into his mods all day to insulate himself from any criticism by saying "It's a joke man!". I'm asking if he ever plans to make something worth playing.

(((JUST ASKING QUESTIONS)))

Would anyone enjoy CPMA-esque movement in a doom mod or is normal q3 style better?

>>4727932
Oh there are sounds alright.
https://my.mixtape.moe/ketcfd.webm

>>4727939
i'm gonna tell merzbow you pirating him

Strange Aeons is really interesting. This is my first level pack but if this is what I have to look forward to when messing with Megawads then I'm very interested.

>>4727964
People get pretty creative with .wads some times.
Doom as a base game is good, but really, the best part about it is all the cool levels (and also mods, if you like that), that people have made with it over all these years. What's even better is that people are still interested in it and still make stuff today.

Some of my favorites include Bloodstain, Double Impact, and Nihility

>>4727939
What if there was a mod where you shot a bunch of Brutal Doomguy middle fingers instead of demons? It'd be a form of bird hunting.

>>4727981
Xaser did one where you shoot exploding middle fingers at demons. Does that count?

>>4727982
Kinda, in that case you're not hunting birds but you're hunting WITH the birds.

>>4727982
I think >>4727981 meant "monster replacement", where the enemies are middle fingers, shooting explosive middle finger projectiles at you or "poking" you as their melee attack.

>>4727970
I'm playing it with High Noon Drifter and I gotta say the Cowboy weapons and the little changes to the story to make the main character feel more at home are nice too.

>>4727938
You will not be able to accurately replicate either.

>>4728021
I don't care about accuracy, but general feel. I've been figuring out some things overriding the internal player movement functions. Just adding bunnyhopping makes things fun.

>>4727445

>>4728035
Oh my goodness

>arrive at workplace one hour and 35 minutes before turn starts
>it's saturday so stall 25 minutes inbetween customer calls each lasting for two minutes tops
>my feet hurt
>I wish I was home HUHing

>>4728035
Oh hello there Diablos. (The architecture and textures look very nice too.)

>>4728035
Please tell me that skybox animates. Because that would be fucking amazing.

>>4728062
Why yes, yes it does. It's a 3d vortex

>>4728069
i am penile-pleased

>>4727464
cool

at first i thought the hair ornament was, you know, those lines that come out of people's faces in cartoons when they're surprised/angry/whatever

>>4727935
Did you even play Soundless Mound? That's definitely something worth playing imo

>>4727901
>>4727904
Yeh, Rekkr. Wanted the sky to denote that the episode is separate from the others.

>>4728035
That all looks fantastic.

>>4727638
>MY FUCKING GOD I HATE THIS SO MUCH

wait till you try ZScript for HUDs!

>>4728091
zbars are a lot better than SBARINFO

>>4727681
>>4727684
Sweet. Lookin good. Made my first map the other day too.

>>4728035
I love this. I want that gun.

>>4728093
More flexible, yes - more frustrating, hell yes.

I'd say SBARINFO is very easy, and a lot of the drawing stuff can be transferred rather painlessly, though there's a lot more to do to get a simple HUD working, like initialising your own interpolators and defining your fonts.

>>4728091
>GNU brace style

>>4728097
Just being able to simply hook custom variables, making loops and functions and whatever is invaluable to me.

>>4728104
I agree, it's so much more powerful & flexible than SBARINFO.

>>4728101
eh, it's more Whitesmiths than GNU - each to their own

Is DTS-T a good wad?

>>4728035
If that's a boss fight then I really hope Wrath of the Eikons plays in the background.

>>4727931
>just report
For what, you knee-jerk backseat janitor?

>>4727831
>>4728086
You did a good job on this skybox, but for some reason it feels like it doesn't fit in

>>4728093
in terms of function? yes

in terms of actually making something? hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah

>>4728167
>just mentioning the function makes (((the shitters))) butthurt

>>4728035
Awesome.

>>4728169
I disagree. Had no issues making my status bar so far.

>>4728173
i'm sure you didn't, Marisa "I'm The Only Person Who's Tamed ZScript So Far" Kirisame

>>4728170
Not an argument.

>>4728086
will you have nice ground textures to go with that nice skybox?

looks like it could've been in Golden Souls

>>4728174
I'm not marisa. I'm the msx remake guy. I'm sure I'll run into trouble when it's time for usable inventory stuff.

>>4728174
>>4728178
>anons thinking other anons are Marisa
Shouldn't have dropped that tripcode, huh?

>>4728168
It's kinda not supposed to, but I might go a different route with it anyway. We'll see.

>>4728184
Some guy here seems to really have a hateboner.

>>4728178
hm. my mistake, then. it was i being the faggot this time.

point being, i've found that zscript huds are really a wide variety of nonsense that can extremely easily break the renderer of the game, to the point where i've had to reinstall gzdoom. sbarinfo is simple and straightforward - it's LIMITED, but at least it doesn't cock up gzdoom to the point where it refuses to load the scene

>>4728173

I'd disagree with your disagreement. I've had nothing but issues with ZScript HUDs.
The whole
>Can't call ui function DrawString from play context (not readable)
especially pissed me off, because it's perfectly definable in the native GZDoom HUDs but when you try and define a custom HUD? Fuckin' nope.

>>4728176
Not in any of the bonus episode maps, no... But it does go well in this map, now that you mention it.

>>4728187
I think it looks rather cartoonish compared to the other textures if that makes any sense

>>4728190
I've just never had an issue.

> to the point where i've had to reinstall gzdoom
Sure you didn't use a bugged devbuild and getting a new version fixed it? Otherwise it sounds like a legit weak point for malicious code mods.

>>4728192
ZScript HUDs are ui scope, there's no fucking way in hell you'd be getting that error.

>>4728192
I used a relatively barebones hud from the forums and built upon it in my usual clumsy fashion. This is the contents of my hud file:
https://pastebin.com/TtRwngQb

>>4727306
How the fuck do I get master.wad to work on chocolate doom?

>>4728187
>>4728196
i was thinking the same thing, doesnt really match the more realistic textures and sprites

>>4728209
>>4728192
There is, actually.
You can only draw shit in a ui function, you need to use an event handler's RenderOverlay event.
If you want to draw stuff in play scope you'll need to set up your own API to transfer data to an event handler that does the actual drawing.

>>4728203
it's possible, but i never noticed any patchnotes that addressed zscript huds and after it tanked my gzdoom i deleted the hud and honestly did not care to try again

>>4728203
>I've just never had an issue.

I mean, that's good and all, but there's a reason "Works On My Machine" is a meme.

>>4728216
I don't use a renderoverlay event. see my pastebin

>>4728095
Thanks! It's taken me a couple of weeks of trying and adjusting a bunch of design ideas to get this far, but I'm hoping to start making better progress on it moving forward.

>>4728216
You're not supposed to draw ANYTHING in play scope. What the fuck are you even trying to do?

huh

>>4728228
nope

>>4727398
Ok, so I returned to it and played through that MAP01 (https://nofile.io/f/Sy9wXHX5j1g/MAP01.wad))
with Hideous Destructor. It's been actually quite fun! I noticed that enemy spaws are pretty different on lower difficulties (I played on Ugly, I'm new to HD) - particularly, the Arch-Vile was replaced by a Hellknight (who was easily dispatched by a DERP). The biggest issue was the Baron since you have to fight him in place where you don't really have any cover, but a DERP, some grenades and a fast-firing rifle took care of that.

I think I'm gonna play through it again with High Noon Drifter and Trailblazer. Maybe with Netronian Chaos, because it replaces enemies.

This is a really solid map, I have to admit. It needs a name so people will know what one refers to - all I could think of was either "Resurrection of Nobility" (referring to Archvile and Baron fights) or "This is my BOOMSTICK" (referring to the fact that it's a shotgun level). Maybe "Shotgun Wedding" or "Pump Action"?

>>4727445
May as well post this.

>>4727887
>there's no way to not get shot because hitscan.
One word: COVER. Cover, cover, cover.
You need to find cover, get to it as soon as you can, and don't leave until it is safe. If you need to fire, stick half your head out of cover, fire as quick as you can, go back. You are given a metric FUCKTON of grenades - you can throw them without sticking your head out of cover. Use them. Similarly, most of the time you get a DERP drone - it's super useful. Plop it behind a corner and watch it tear enemies to shreds.

Similarly - move as slow as you can to keep iron sights/scope on screen. Don't run'n'gun, it's a realistic game.

When screen flashes, you need to bandage yourself. You're supposed to press 9 if you have a medkit, or the quick bandage hotkey. Bind them. Similarly, bind strip armor hotkey - if you are on fire, taking off your armor will help you (if you are in a situation where you CAN'T take off your armor because e.g. you're under fire, instead crouch, and start spinning - it's meant to be a 'stop drop and roll' thing).

Finally, most important part: Hideous Destructor is a TACTICAL shooter. You need to use TACTICS. Plan your approach, try to outmart your enemies. They're predictable - if they know where you are, they will agressively pursue you, and if they don't, they will run around like headless chicken. And the key is - YOU KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. After all, you played these levels before, right? You remember where things are, so think ahead! If you know there is a group of hitscanners behind the corner, throw a grenade and hear them die! And so on. Plan ahead to survive!

Also, enforcer is a good starting class- shotgun and grenade launcher. Hold R when cycling the shotgun.

>TLDR:
Read the manual!
https://github.com/MatthewTheGlutton/HideousDestructor/blob/master/hd_manual.txt
Watch Hideous Destructor Bootcamp!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VnZti9IMn8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRTlczAqrkM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMwFU-j_U9o

>>4728313
>>4727897
>>4727887
Now that I think of it... how about we take these 'basic advice' and turn it into a "So you want to play Hideous Destructor" and put it in the OP?

>>4727897
Play Project Brutality with Custom Doom, and increase all damage taken/dealt 2-5 times.

Also I want to say that I really appreciate this detail here.
I believe this is from scrapped Doom content.

>>4728324
Whoop! He's an elevator too!

>>4728328
Bye!

>>4728324
what wad is this? tangerine nightmare?

>>4728313
>if you are in a situation where you CAN'T take off your armor because e.g. you're under fire, instead crouch, and start spinning - it's meant to be a 'stop drop and roll' thing
worst advice
this gets you killed ten times out of ten because now you're not just under attack and on fire but also spinning around like a retard
drop the armor, shoot the guy shooting you, then put it back on, or shoot the guy while you're still on fire if it's not that extreme
the only time you actually want to stop drop and roll is if you have spiritual armor and are carrying a second set, and don't want to deal with the inventory spaghetti required to avoid losing your spiritual armor

>>4728214
you don't. or edit the wad so that they occupy map01-map20

>>4728335
Alright, you probably know better. I'm new at HD.

>>4728035
highly intrigued

>>4728332
Alfonzone.

Though I can't say I love this episode of it. Does Tangerine Nightmare look a lot like this map?

https://twitter.com/DrPyspy/status/954441445183668225
What happened to this?

So, on a recommendation, I downloaded Ancient Aliens. Is there a weapon pack that would compliment it well?

>>4728369
i would assume it's a part of his doom64-izer project that's been posted every now and then on /vr/ for years now

>>4728319
Funny really, I already play a lot of Brutal Doom realism mode. I'm just hoping Project Brutality isn't some sort of absolute clusterfuck of unenjoyment or something.

>>4728324
>>4728328
>>4728329
follow him and do some magic tricks in the meantime as he keeps descending

elevators love the bunny tophat one. also the one with the thumb. bring a card deck so you can play UNO

>>4728371
final doomer

something i wished doom 4 inspired mods had was a death animation for the revenant, where his jetpack would brake and he's start flying until he hits something and explodes

>>4728324
>>4728328
>>4728329
cute.

drop down and sit on him.

>>4728404
>brake
break

>>4728407
>break
brick

>>4727445
https://my.mixtape.moe/mitibl.webm

i slack off too much

>>4728426
>no SSG
:c

>>4728247
That's cool and all but my computer just broke a couple days ago

>>4728446
how did you brake your computer

>>4728221
Yeah. I got obsessed and knocked my map out in four days or so but I'm taking a lot more time on this next one. Mostly out of laziness though. I've taken to carrying around a notebook of graph paper that I doodle level design ideas in. Really shitty doodles, but I understand them at least.

>>4728426
something about this seems oddly familiar
map?

>>4728449
Dropped a bottle of computer breaking liquid on it

>>4727629
Never.

Mostly because I'm a massive idiot who insists on going for 100% kill count, even in maps where F.E.A.R. is clearly the intended method.

Anyone want to do a project for Heretic mapping?

Need suggestions for map packs: My favorite aesthetic in doom is the marine who makes it from a techbase, through hell and accomplishes everything on his own like a badass with energetic music. That's why I liked winters fury so much (the boss fights really helped too) So i'm looking for mapsets that really tell a story with the level design, I feel like scythe, and alien vendetta and all of those don't really tell a story with the map design, it's all pretty random/arbitrary aesthetics.

>>4728472
forgot to add: Thats also why I loved ancient aliens and going down.

>>4728426
What's all this then?

A weapon set? Level mod?
Looks neat

An attempt at analysis of NewHouse's Dark Realm of Blue Magic episode for Quake1. Note: Author claims to be primarily inspired by Petersen's and Romero's maps for Quake. However the secret map in the ep is clearly inspired by Lewis Carroll's Alice as well. Almost the whole ep is also blue, Wizard's Manse and Azure Agony style.

Now, to the point. The maps seem to be shotgunstart-completable. They don't seem to feature any pronounced progression either over the course of maps themselves nor between the maps over the course of the episode. They feel arbitrary and their order in the course of the episode feels random. Despite featuring apparent meticulous research on Romero's and Petersen's, so to speak, mapping mannerisms, the majority of the content in the ep feels highly derivative of either Romero's or Petersen's respective mapping styles in no particular order. The entire thing is pretty much a compilation, a remix. It should be noted, that Romero and Petersen possess VASTLY different mapping styles, and that the choice to make a crossover between the to in an apparently highly stylized episode is in itself very apparently strange.

There are things that differ it from the pure remix, or a collection of mapping quotes. First, going pure blue gives it a strange sort of impenetrable feel, as if it's meant to mean something. Second, the episode features a lot more swimming and a lot more underwater fighting (treated exactly as ground fighting is) than either Romero's or Petersen's levels do. In fact, the blueness is clearly linked to the theme of water and maybe drowning, which makes Azure Agony the closest of the analogies to it, of the original maps. Third, the price of the mistake in the ep is generally much higher than in original levels and you are basically supposed to complete the fights the way the developer intended you to, which brings up the theme of reading developer's intentions based on his apparent action, as evidenced in maps' contents. Fourth, (cont)

>>4727781 It hasnt been done but I have faith it is possible.

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=58180

imo i feel like a true HD Doom conversion can be one with actual claymation instead of rerawing everything and giving up a quarter way thru

pic for next thread

>>4728526
Maybe not for the next thread, but we can hang it on the fridge where everyone can see it anon!

>>4728526
Barney's like
>Hey guys what's happening in this threa-

>>4728458
I usually go for 90% to 100% killcount when possible, but there's things which make me turn and run, to "regroup" and work out a strategy in my head.

>>4728526

Is Project Brutality generally frowned upon too?

>>4728526
>ammo count where frags should be

>>4728310
Nice HUD.

>>4728519
(cont) there are copious (in comparison to the original maps) textual messages triggered at certain point of the map (akin to Petersen's hints, but way more numerous and explicit), as well as directional arrows, guiding you to secrets, locked doors, etc. Fifth, some of the maps feature weird concatenations of the original models of parts of the textures, which reinforces the theme of remix, a compilation, a collection of quotes taken outside of their original context, of, to say it plainly, a Frankenstein. Sixth, the author talks about the "strange dreams" that he claims inspired the episode (in addition to original maps) both in the textual description of the ep, and in the final congratulations text.

There is no pronounced final bossfight, Azure Agony style.

Now, to my interpretation of the entire thing.

The ep is not so much a remix, as it is a memoir, a chronicle. "Here is what I remember about those levels". Every notable trick in the book from ep2 and ep4 is used somewhere in this ep. In fact, I would say, that the author clearly has a very good memory, and is quite observant as well. In fact, I would link the theme of water and depth, which I wrote about above, as clearly linked to the theme of deep memory and remembrance. Herein however lies the problem. The author describes memorable tricks by recreating them, but he doesn't interpret them. In fact, the very fact, that Romero's and Petersen's tricks are used in no particular order, treated as interchangeable despite being parts of vastly different mapping styles, just makes it apparent that either Romero's or Petersen's tricks are treated as mere conventionalities, not as gestures which originally had some sort of meaning behind them. The author DESCRIBES his impressions from the two episodes in random order, he doesn't INTERPRET. In fact, if seen as an attempt to interpret either of Romero's or Petersen's mapping styles, it is a very weak and ineffective one, which suggests that (cont)

>>4727935
Do you have some kind of anger problem, Anon?

>>4728318
I'm hoping one day someone makes something akin to "PRO DOOM MONSTER STRATS", but for Hideous Destructor. Both for the sake of being a tutorial (Knox's stuff is great, but outdated), and of course humor.

>>4727741
I really like Faspons in general! Very robust weapon mod.

>>4727307
Dated [04-21]:
Touhou Doom Episode 3.5 Re-Release:
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=57817

>>4727629
I prefer R.A.F.E.

>>4728563
I was thinking about doing something like that, but the mod changes so frequently that any tips it would include might be completely obsolete within the year.

>>4728426
I can't get over that meaty as fuck pistol reload sound. That's a pistol that demands respect.

I see it has infinite reloads too, you and this mod are cool in my book

>>4728536
haven't played it, can't give my opinion

don't care to play it, and so will probably never have an opinion

>>4728546
(cont) the author doesn't really understand either Romero's or Petersen's styles at all, beyond the surface level, and this episode is the result of his repeated attempts to "get" it. Which naturally isn't all that great of a result in regards to this particular goal, since the author plainly tries to pass his ability to memorize stuff for his acumen.

HOWEVER, that doesn't account for all the things described above, that differ this ep from being purely a copycat. The heavy stylization (reminiscent of Azure Agony, but still markedly different from it), the different gameplay feel, the insistent mentions of strangeness and dreams, all the at times unnecessary visual and textual directions to the player all suggest, that this ep should be treated as a product of inspiration, meaning an artistic work, with the relation between this ep's mapping style and those of Romero and Petersen being directly linked to the central theme of this episode as that of an artistic work. That central theme seems to be EXPLANATION as such (as closely related to interpretation as such, the mention of which naturally emerges from discussion of this ep's mapping style). The episode, being all blue, looks mysterious and strange, as in unEXPLAINABLE. The explicit textual directives and visual directives provide EXPLANATIONS over what the author explains player to do. The entirety of the author's mapping crusade can be seen both as a failed attempt to interpret Romero's and Petersen's respective artistry for himself, and as an equally failed attempt to EXPLANATION the gist of Romero's and Petersen's respective artistry to the player. The player is sort of supposed to struggle to interpret his experience over the course of the episode exactly the way the author clearly struggles to interpret his source material.

This raises however a valid point. However Romero or Petersen interpreted their own respective mapping, neither ultimately descended to explain the internal logic (cont)

>>4728591
Hi Kegan.

>>4728596
Hello but shhhhh.

>>4728595
(cont) behind their respective creations explicitly, in plain words, they left it open for interpretations. Being open for interpretations means you can try to interpret it, but you cannot really verify those interpretations of your, and whatever conclusions you ultimately arrive to, ultimately remain as pure speculations. However, one can either be satisfied with one's interpretation (everything fits) or not. And the author of the ep is clearly not satisfied with his interpretations of the Romero's and Petersen's legacy, hence (and that is my own speculation) the entirety of this episode's more artistic side. Simply put, the author probably more or less realizes he simply doesn't have a clue, what either of those two persons thought like, while, for some reason, trying to pretend like he somewhat does.

In any case, I didn't like that episode all that much. The "read author's thoughts in order to progress" factor, and the sheer excess of PetersRomero over the authentic and inspired stuff made this episode much more of a trudge that it needed to be. Even if it being a trudge closely reflects author's experience in regards to his interpreting attempts, it, at the same time, doesn't make it, well, an all that interesting of an ep, to be honest. In other words, I hoped for a much higher amount of "strange dreams" than there was in this ep.

>>4728613
P.S. Also, Quake1 is an inherently ambiguous game, singleplayer-wise, since it is primarily about unrestricted 3D mapping, since different mappers in it clearly ascribed very different meanings to very similar looking tricks and gestures. In other words, not a singular mapping convention really had any singular meaning from the get go, and trying to divine one during however many repeated attempts just means going in circles really, nothing else. In other words, Romero and Petersen used the same content as the same means for vastly different goals, that had nothing whatsoever in common between them. Failing to realize that and not treating different mappers strictly individually, would just lead to confusion. Which seems to be exactly the case with NewHouse and his Dark Realm of Blue Magic.

>>4728426

That looks sweet. I like the weapon speeds.

>>4728546
>There is no pronounced final bossfight, Azure Agony style.
Also, scratch that. There actually is. The last fight, the pit with the zombies and vores in neck-tall water, is the clear bossfight, although you kind of realize it retroactively.

That fight is also staged in a very interesting way. The water is high enough so that only zombies' and vores' head are visible, and they are not really distinguishable one from another. The vores' projectiles are also masked by the water surface, flying below it for the most part. That seems to tie in with the theme of ambiguity, mentioned in the postscript above.

Admit it. He's a much better M rated rep than snake and beyonetta combined.

>>4728642
No.

>>4728646
Yes

Wait shit wrong thread

>>4728540
It's NC-HUD, it works with regular gameplay, and has some compatibility patches for some popular gameplay mods.

If you want fullscreen, but also want a full statusbar, complete with the face, it's very good.

>>4728426
>dat dakka from the subgun

>>4728659
>If you want fullscreen, but also want a full statusbar, complete with the face
>complete with the face
That's it, I'm sold. Doom just isn't the same without the legendary mug.

>>4728456
udmx, I think map 25?

>>4728505
an existential violence simulator. an experiment in game design i'm trying out. basically, going to make a buncha sprawling, maze-like deathmatch-styled maps, then set a bunch of spawning enemies in to hunt the player down. the goal is to create a thick, tense atmosphere of dread and terror, as opposed to the usual doom powertrip

>>4728591
thank you friend!

>>4728664
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?&t=33079

It's very nice, has some adjustable elements to it as well, and has an oxygen bar for levels where you actually dive underwater (can be toggled off).
Should be pretty easy to adapt to some mods, just with some tweaks.

>>4728472
epic & epic 2

I swear I heard higher quality versions of the Quake soundtrack somewhere. Somehow the soundtrack can sound cleaner on youtube than in-game.

Is my mind playing tricks on me or are there actual higher quality versions of the songs kicking around somewhere that I just don't know where they are?

>>4728472
Double Impact is a very good Episode 1 replacement, not very long, but is extremely tight and each level is great, featuring some very cool music, and making the absolute most out of the smaller Doom 1 bestiary.

here's a quick boom compatible map, nothing too great. pretty linear
https://my.mixtape.moe/abvwgx.wad

here's my first ever map! tested it in Chocolate DOOM and GZDoom.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/f3xu3bifrox8mb2/roomv4.zip

Weird. For some reason my comp deletes Quakespasm 0.93.0 the moment I try to open it, then won't let me unzip it again.

>>4728797
Prepare for the classic "Eh it works for me" reply. This is a message board after all

>>4727116

Managed to fix this, now they bounce properly no matter what direction they're fired in.
Thanks for the report!

>>4728831
Thankfully, it seems like it too does work for me now. Weird.

>>4728750
Cool, will give it a try.

So what's the trick in making a level in GZDB without people complaining about making it GZDoom exclusive

>>4728912
impossible

no matter what, people will rag on you for making it for gzdoom

>>4728913
okay what I was going for was how do you make it back-compatible friendly
or do I just stick with DB2

>>4728919
mostly by testing in the appropriate software of choice

if you make a boom level and then test in prboom and it works fine, it doesn't really matter what you make it in

>>4728912

when you go new map it asks for the format so choose boom. If you're the anon who posted a map recently and got paid out for making it udmf but using no umdf features look it up on the wiki.

>>4728324
reminds me over reaverbot eyes

>>4728927
I'm not him but I figured I'd not make his mistakes

Why is this happening? It's not allowing me to add vertices to the linedef.

>>4728948
Check your options, you probably disabled some fuction to draw stuff over.

Probably it is some of the little button in the upper toolbar, check that ones before the little lightbulb there, they are responsible for geometry tools functionality.

>>4728725
http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=73883209538896143632

first attempt, dies at the end. i might have survived had someone not knocked on my door and broken my concentration.

the sky texture and especially the trees texture are excellent. not sure exactly what it is, but they look so good.

>>4728526
Which Doom mod is that?

>>4729017
Aeons of death

>E2M4 had a "machine" that was meant to resemble a face eating, with the evil eyes as eyes and a crusher as a mouth
>E2M8 had wall textures of dead Barons to indicate how stronger the next boss is, that he makes the previous one look like a pussy
>The tower of babel can be seen being built in the intermission screen, while the secret level pops up at some point
>E3M2 is a hand and E3M4 has lungs and a stomach
>E2M6 has demons "worshipping" a shotgun, because they feared it
What are some other interesting details about hell that happen in the games?

>>4728526
>doom 2 is a doom killer
that's rather confusing that something would kill its own franchise
and when I'm confused I often say HUUH

>>4728526
This too.

>>4728750
Very much looks and plays like a first map, found most of the monster encounters quite odd but I liked the marble room the most. You're very generous with the green armors - possibly too generous as I personally only took a couple hits total on a blind first playthrough.

Now that you've got a bit of an understanding of the mapping process I'd recommend playing through some of your (and the community's) favorite maps and dissecting what makes them 'good': how the ammo/weapons are spread out, how the monsters are used to change the gameplay, how powerups are used to manipulate the player, etc.

Has joel played any of your guys' maps yet?

>>4729068
He played one my mods last year, and he seemed to really like it.
He also read the damn help screen I put at the title and that made me happy.

>>4727818
Do you know who made the frames then?
i have added the frames to the sprites but i don't know who made them. (and the credits aren't precised either).

>>4729080
I think they're by perkristian actually.

>>4729068
One guy here was extremely angry with Joel because he played his map incorrectly and missed the secrets.

>>4729031
E2M9 has that thing where you're supposed to make Barons and Cacos fight, maybe sorta implying these two species not getting along so well.
That was the premise derived from this level in the novel, anyway.

>>4728386
Nah, it has much smarter, aggressive enemies than regular Brutal Doom. There is stuff like, imps can climb on ceilings now, and enemies no longer have issues with climbing stairs.

>>4728687
I'm kind of surprised more people haven't stolen the music from that.

anyone want to play some marathon infinity, I can host a server

>>4729036
At the time people didn't know if a sequel is going to be any good. Remember, when we look at games like e.g. Bubsy 2 was much worse than Bubsy 3D, or Streets of Rage 3 was much worse than earlier installments, or how Final Fantasy Mystic Quest was fucking pathetic compared to rest of FF - so people didn't know if Doom 2 was gonna be any good. Disappointing sequels happen.

In the end, it turned out to be amazing, but people didn't know that before launch.

Interesting stuff from that magazine:
These games are called "first person 3D games" meaning that "first person" name stuck very early on and not everyone called them "Doom clones"
Also, the Barney is a reference to a Doom mod, apparently. Yes, from 1994.

And the other games on that list are:
Doom 2
>I don't even need to talk about it
System Shock
>Pretty succesful, launched an entire genre (immersive sims), had a sequel, remaster, and upcoming another sequel and remake, pretty succesful
Dark Forces
>It spawned several sequels as Jedi Knight, again, pretty popular
Descent
>On one hand franchise is dead, but on the other hand it is semi-well known among retro enthusiasts, so it's something
Wolf 3D for Mac
>Again, relatively well known among Wolf fans
Duke Nukem 3D
>Another success story
Shadow Warrior
>Moderate success
Rise of the Triad
>Again, kind of know? It gotten a remake...
Heretic
>Another good game
Blood
>Again, no intro needed
Blake Stone
>Relatively obscure, if good, Wolf clone
Corridor 7
>Obscure Wolf clone
...But then, some of the games on this list are ones I literally never heard of.
Ruins
Terminal Terror
Sensory Overload
Fortress of dr Radiaki
In Extremis
CyClones
BrainDead 13

I've never heard of these?
Apparently Sensory Overload was a Mac title, and has more of an action-adventure bend with emphasis on using items?
CyClones was supposedly a game by Raven, which makes it even more bizarre that I never heard of it (or if I did, I don't remember it).

>>4729138
>"I smell hyooman"
>Imps sounding like pigs in a slaughterhouse

>>4729175
Yeah, sounds are annoying as fuck though.

>>4729031
DID YUOU NO GAYMES? In doom map22, there is a shotgun. This is a reference to the black metal artist Kirk Cocaine, as he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head with a shotgun.

>>4728912
Tack on some new decorate monsters and give the map coloured lighting. Problem solved. I sort of do this in making partial conversions, make boom levels then toss some new monsters and weapons.

>>4729174
I was referring to the fact that doom 2 is still a doom title
if ROTT or something usurped doom then fair enough since it's a competitor, but I don't think the title of "___ Killer" quite applies when talking about something in its own franchise

>>4729168
Has anyone made one of these but for Rise of the Triad?

>>4729174
Continued:
Terminal Terror is apparently an anti-terror themed game where you have to worry not to shoot civilians or friendlies? Sounds interesting.
In Extremis is apparently sci-fi horror themed where you're sent on an alien-infested space station, and it's supposedly puzzle heavy? After looking at screenshots, it looks fucking amazing.
Fortress of Dr Radiaki is described, I quote:
>'knife-in-tongue, tongue-in-cheek action game that's as fun as it is funny. Radiaki puts you in a 30-level maze and gives you opportunity to bash a Fidel Castro lookalike and tangle with a high-rent incarnation or Rosie the Robot"
That tells me absolutely nothing. We complain about modern game journalism, but damn, this is fucking useless.
Finally, weirdest one is BrainDead 13 which is described as a 'comedy horror'? That's definitely an unusual combination. Well, except... it's apparently not a FPP game. It's a Laserdisc interactive movie. Perhaps back in 1994 it was planned to be an FPS? Or perhaps gaming journalists are fucking useless.

Funnily enough, "Ruins" is apparently an Apogee game... that was eventually retooled into what we now know was PowerSlave. Isn't history funny?

Also, the article (https://archive.org/stream/ElectronicEntertainment12Dec1994/Electronic_Entertainment_12_Dec_1994#page/n58/mode/1up)) mentions some notable Doom mods back from 1994. These are:
>Star Wars 2
>Alien Doom (I mean, DUH)
>Yak World
>JL3
>Laura Beyer Demo: Is This House Haunted?
>SFG

>>4728993
thanks for playing. what did you think of all the battles?

>>4729174
>Final Fantasy Mystic Quest was fucking pathetic compared to rest of FF
Well, yeah, it's not for experienced players.
FFMQ is babby's first turnbased RPG, a sort of "bootcamp" game, if you will.

If you want to introduce your 8 year old daughter/nephew to turnbased games, it's an extremely nice 'tool'.
The plot is easy and non-convoluted, the dungeons aren't very mazelike, the combat has all the basics but is mostly simple.
It'll teach the kid all the basics of, elemental typing, experience and level, item and spell usage, turn based combat, and dungeon crawling.
The music is very nice and appealing, the graphics are cartoony and stylized, yet pretty cool and neat, enemies and bosses even showing damage progressively, a nice visual element that satisfies by telegraphing that what you're doing is effective.
For someone young who's never played a turnbased RPG game, it's engaging enough to generally have them see it through to the end, and after beating it, craving more, and having learned enough to confidently move on to something more grand like FF5 or Chrono Trigger.

Mystic Quest is an easy and simple game, but that is the idea that the game is designed around; it was literally made to introduce newbies to the series.
It's very easy to get into while not holding your hand TOO much.
If you've already played and beat a normal Final Fantasy game, of course it wont be very exciting for you, you are not the target audience.

>>4729202
CyClones has this really interesting aiming system, where you can move the crosshairs around the screen and the gun turns, without changing your viewpoint. I wish more games had that control system.

>>4729243
MEANWHILE I WAS THROWN INTO PHANTASY STAR 2 AND LIKED IT

>>4729243
Here's the thing: it's a bad idea.
Jrpgs are already a rather un-challenging genre, and you want to introduce action players to it... by making it even LESS challenging and involved? To people who expect to play tough unrelenting games like Ninja Gaiden, Castlevania or Contra?

That's simply a bad idea. You're going to bore them to death.

Super Mario RPG realizes this concept much better, by having a simplified plot (i.e. overarching plot is simple, and game works basically like an episodic saturday morning cartoon where you go from town to town defeating baddies).
Bushi Seiryuuden (weird RPG by Game Freak) does something similar, where while battles are turn-based, they are played from side-scrolling perspective, basically making them a turn-based platformer - which again, is probably a better way to accustom action game players to turn-based battles.
One could also use action RPGs like Zelda 2 or Secret of Mana to do that job, too.

Similarly, I believe that Chrono Trigger also works as a 'beginners jrpg' because of certain features (your choices matter in the beginning and you're told they matter which opens players eyes to potential of RPG games; battles are fought on the overworld and not on abstract battle screen and involve real characters walking up to each other; no random encounters; and while the story isn't entirely episodic, it's sort of episodic as story of time period you're in usually focuses on a single plot/theme).
I imagine that's why so many people like Chrono Trigger, because it's a good RPG for beginners. It's not the best RPG in existence... but I imagine for many people, it's the ONLY SNES RPG they played.

Let's be honest, Mystic Quest was a mistake. It introduced people to basics of RPGs... but it didn't convey WHY rpgs were a genre anyone would like. It didn't have good writing, or fun combat, it was way too basic. I imagine much more people were convinced to play RPGs after Super Mario RPG or Chrono Trigger than Mystic Quest.

I like Mystic Quest and appreciate it for what it is. Honestly. The soundtrack alone carries the game.
and I fucking loved it as a kid, and I hated turn based RPGs back then, I think of the reasons why I liked it so much was the monsters were always on the field and you could use weapons on the field to solve puzzles, along with jumping, it was a nice break from just walking around everywhere in most JRPGs.

This ain't Doom talk though.

>>4729268
>Super Mario RPG realizes this concept much better, by having a simplified plot
I accidentally rest of paragraph.

I meant that it does this better by having simplified plot AND platforming in the overworld (making it a quasi-isometric platformer) AND action elements in combat.
Plus, it's fucking Mario, people who don't play RPGs know who Mario is and will buy a Mario game.
People who don't play Final Fantasy don't give a shit about another Final Fantasy game.

I recall Square at the time had licenses that would've worked better than Final Fantasy - Aliens film, Tom Sawyer, or their own shmup series Thexder.
That, or they could've created an original setting that felt more like an action game, perhaps a sci-fi scenario where a group of commandos (your party) has to fight aliens.

>>4729256
There is an arcade FPS called Gun Buster, which mixes a Wolf-clone style FPS with a light gun game.
You aim you gun anywhere on the screen by aiming a gun, and in addition to that you can rotate the screen and walk.

I've never played it but it sounds kinda similar to what you describe.

>>4729325
God, that's an ugly fucking screenshot, why.
Have some better ones.

And a gameplay video.

>>4729335
Forgot link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Tm6jbPC8k

>>4729113
Yeah i asked Gifty, it is indeed perkristian

>>4729174
>Bubsy 2 was worse than Bubsy 3D.
The fuck? Bubsy 2 was the best one.
Of course, since this is Bubsy we're talking about, that's like saying having one of your fingers cut off is the most preferable of mutilation, if you were forced to choose, but still...

>>4729202
Here's links to these wads:
>Star Wars 2:
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/themes/starwars/starwar2
>Aliens TC:
http://www.moddb.com/mods/aliens-tc/downloads/aliens-tc-full
>Yak World
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/v-z/yakworld
>JL3
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/themes/x-rated/i_am_old_enough_to_look_at_this/jl3
>Laura Beyer Demo
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/g-i/hauntedp
>SFG
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/d-f/dmsfg
(at least I'm assuming this is the one, but release date of 1994 seems to confirm it's this one)

>>4729367
What the fuck did I write? I mean that Bubsy 2 was much worse than Bubsy 1, which was decent.
Bubsy 3D is much worse than either of them, though.

I have no idea why I wrote Bubsy 3D, honestly.

>>4728641
Played through some of NewHouse's individual maps, speedmaps and such. I think what I previously overlooked is that his levels seem to revolve heavily around trust. They are basically very linear challenge courses which are borderline unfair the first time around UNLESS you use a specific possibility that just happens to be there and using which would allow you to turn the situation on a dime. It's like you are heavily coerced to rely upon the leveldesigner in the situations where it's that very leveldesigner tries to sink you. From this naturally follows the question: does the leveldesigner consider the hypothetical player a friend or a foe. Is he deliberately trying to teach him by making him succed by learning something, or to sink him? Are the supplies and opportunities provided to the player always sufficient for tackling the mandatory challenges his maps present. His maps, are, like, constantly in this semi-friend semi-foe sort of penumbra. It's like you don't outright trust him (although leaps of faith of various sorts are very much mandatory in his maps - and yes, they do lead into tough traps), and you don't outright distrust him, you just sort of continuously doubt how much goodwill, as a leveldesigner, he really has in regards to you as a player. It's like he always kind of acts somewhat suspiciously as a leveldesigner, that's what it is. And some of those suspicious are (more often than not) retroactively explained through, like, "oh, so THAT's what it was all about" to some extent, and for some that explanation comes up as a, you know, kind of afterthough. It's like, for an individual encounter, what came about first: was it the idea of how to create additional problems for the player that came first (and the means to survive the setup - later), or was it the idea of some interesting interesting player's behavior through which the player is meant to succeed, that came first.

>>4729407
In other words, the main question is: Is the actual point of the majority of his setups the player failing on the first try, or the player succeeding on the second? And the answer to that question is left deliberately hanging in the air, ever deliberately unclear. It's like as if the actual point is that whatever you think you know about the author, really and truly you don't know jack shit because the author chose not to tell anything about him to you.

Also, the prevalence of Petersen's and Romero's copypaste in Dark Realms of Blue Magic episode also seemingly serves the same purpose: to make sure the actual author (expressed through his individual mapping style) remains hidden, obscured and mysterious.

>>4729413
All of that (as well as the previous analysis of author's handling of Romero's and Petersen styles in DRoBM ep) more or less boils down to (author's) INTENTION (in regards to the player).

where do I go to discover all those random megawads they play on doomseeker? Cacowards i'm pretty sure only has cacoward maps

>>4729421
What random megawads? I'm 99% sure they only play alien vendetta or hell revealed 2. Otherwise just look at the server name and wad list.

>>4729421
>where do I go to discover all those random megawads they play on doomseeker?
wadseeker.

hideous destructor is hell

and I love it

Official survey starts now. What are /vr/'s favourite Doom (Ultimate Doom) and Doom 2 map. Name 5 from Doom and another 5 from Doom 2.

Mine are from Doom 1:
>E1M3
>E2M2
>E2M7
>E4M2
>E4M6

Doom 2:
>Map11
>Map17
>Map27
>Map28
>Map29

>>4729268
>To people who expect to play tough unrelenting games like Ninja Gaiden, Castlevania or Contra?
How many 8 year olds reliably make it through Contra or Ninja Gaiden without years of practice?

They'll play it, but do they beat it?
There's nothing wrong with a casual entry, it serves as a gateway drug for the rest of the series.

>>4729448
I can relate. how the hell do I stop playing this mod and try something else? I'm enjoying HD too much to care about other mods

>>4729483
This is your life now. There's no going back.

>>4729268
>That's simply a bad idea. You're going to bore them to death.
Certainly worked on me, and got me playing the other ones.

>>4729483
I get that effect with some mods. I used to be extremely into Accessories To Murder.

>>4729483
You too? I can't stop playing it. Going back to anything, vanilla or not, feels so alien now. Running so fast and being so tough feels weird. No other mod has had this effect on me.

>>4729202
>'comedy horror'? That's definitely an unusual combination.
Comedy horror was a pretty common genre in movies in the late 80's-2000

>>4729195
The ones I know of are Quake, Doom, Duke, Blood, Marathon, and Thief.
If there are more, that'd be cool.
I kinda want an Unreal/UT99 one. A lot of the maps made for those are lost to the ravages of times... A backup repository would be nice.

>>4729449
>E1M4
>E1M7
>E2M4
>E2M7
>E4M6

>12
>14
>16
>26
>29

>>4729036
> that's rather confusing that something would kill its own franchise

>>4729194
> but I don't think the title of "___ Killer" quite applies when talking about something in its own franchise

Guys
Sonic'06

>>4729492
Oh well, I'm not complaining. I'm still having a blast with this mod. Kinda wish someone made a similar mod for Quake.

>>4729506
>Going back to anything, vanilla or not, feels so alien now. Running so fast and being so tough feels weird.
Indeed! It feels so weird, almost like as I were playing completely different games.

If someone is interested in similar mod for Unreal - you should check out RLCoop. It's not as hardcore and tacticool as HD, but still, it manages to change gameplay quite a lot and provides a decent challenge

I wish there was a hideous destructor lite that would let you use the core mechanics from hideous destructor in other mods

>>4729031
E2M3 had a cage with one or two Caco's in it
Map28 had a throne

What's your favorite and least favorite DTWID maps?

>>4729565
Doom truly has the deepest lore.

Is there a Doom 64 wad for like gzdoom or something that replaces Doom 64's ugly monster sprites?

>>4729565
>>4729576
it's a well

>>4728750
Not bad for a first map. Fairly entertaining to play aside from the room in your picture. That room was kind of a slog unless you intend for people to skip the monsters in the pits. Its kind of annoying to have monsters just under you that you cant actually shoot, but mess up your auto aim so you cant shoot the revenants on the pillars.

>>4729031
TNT had
>Floating IOS blocks in the end of Caribbean
>Levels taking place at the caribbean and Egypy
>The truck
>Wormhole based level
Plutonia
>Invisible bridge
>Floating cages with archviles
>Teleporting archviles
>That one block that gives you shit, if you're under it
>A level taking place on a town taken over by hell
>A secret level being a remix of classic levels
Master Levels
>A "mansion" with a fireplace and a bed
>Levels literally meant to represent a big black tower and a castle in the middle of a blood ocean

>>4729354
That looks really sweet dude. That glowy bottle thing really works well on it.

>>4729590
Thanks

>>4729578
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=55298

>>4729449
Doom 1:
E1M1 - Hangar, because of course. It's like SMB1 world 1-1 in how well it introduces player to aspects of the game - e.g. you start in an empty room just to get accustomed to movement, then you enter room filled with 90 degree angles and hitscanners that is almost just like better Wolf3D, and then suddenly you're thrown at a room that showcases all the way in which this is NOT Wolf3d - projectile enemies, raised floors, acid and demons; similarly, you get rewarded for exploring at every step, and blue armor is sitting in a pool of acid so you can immediately learn that it reduces damage more than green armor - and just like SMB 1-1 it contains an alternate speedpath that you can use to skip
E1M3 - Toxin Refinery, because the entire section where you're going to get the blue key, including the acid donut and the imp ambush, is pure fucking classic level design.
E1M9 - Military Base - mostly for nostalgia purposes, because that's where I discovered that one can punch demons to death without wasting ammo. Plus, I like how elegant the level design is.
E2M2 - Containment Area, because berserking imps is fun, and so are believable environments. Box maze is a genius idea.
E4M2 - Perfect Hatred, because despite a lot of, eh, hatred (lol) towards this level I really like the setup that so heavily relies on the jumping mechanics.

TO BE CONTINUED with my levels for Doom 2... (I can't fit in 2000 characters. Seriously, why is there such a strict character limit?)

>>4729598
CONTINUED:

Doom 2:
Map1 - Entryway - again, classic. Simple, no bullshit map that introduces you to basics of the game, and has plenty of secrets for watchful players. Also, it has nice balance between optional and mandatory content. Short and sweet.
Map6 - The Crusher - mostly because of the titular crusher, which is an amazing way to introduce Spiderdemon without making him too threatening. ALso, I like the puzzles in this level - and how it actually changes the critical sequence on lower difficulty level, amazing stuff.
Map7 - Dead Simple - again, no explanation needed. Instant action. First you're circling around enemies - and then another enemies circle around YOU.
Map11 - Circle of Death - I really like the setup of a central ring used as a hub, plus I like the encounters in this level.
Map23 - Barrels o'Fun - I mean, again, no explanation needed. It takes a gimmick (barrel puzzles) and turns it into a great level.

>>4728472
equinox tells a story pretty well

>>4728993
>>4729240

soz for not back tracking through thread but map?

>>4729516
Yeah, but not in games. How many comedy horror games you can think of off the top of your head? I can think of Zombies Ate My Neighbours and that's about it, unless Blood counts as a black comedy.

Speaking of, did anyone make a Zombies Ate My Neighbours TC for Doom?

>>4728750
decent first effort. looks straight out of a '94 wad collection but i like that. yellow key room with pillars was fun. agree with other lad who said too much green armour. was expecting archvile in exit room but it was only a demon. please check you don't have the two-sided flag set on single-sided lines. boom complevel first attempt demo below.

http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=54574480009207245450

red faction made me realize just how badly all those early 2000 shooters have aged in every regard save for the two or three exceptions.

this might just be the first FPS game that I have played where my only goal is to look for the exit to every level as quickly as possible. every time a cinematic is triggered or a special event takes place I'm just sitting there hoping it's the last.

I would gladly take blood 2 over this any day.
/blog

Are there any Star Wars gameplay mods?
I don't mean like Chibi Rebellion, which is a TC, but I mean something like a gameplay mod, that you can play with level wads.

WIth the existence of that Star Wars swamp monster, i wonder how many attempts existed to make a liquid based enemy in Doom, like a shark for example
>Only spawns on liquid textures and cannot leave them
>Visually, it's just the fin but with liquid related effects and details
>Movement made to indicate it's swimming
>On attacks, it shows off its face to bite the player

What are your guys opinions on Dusk?

So far I am digging it, reminds me of Quake 1 a lot

>>4729671
Did you make to the guys with railguns, heavy machineguns and tactical nuclear bombs yet? If not, boy, are you in for a treat.

>>4729671
Also, t-t-timed missions (with everything aforementioned).

>>4729693
bad

>>4729706
Why?

>>4729675

Look up watdust or wardusted. WE mod that replaces textures too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_vPZ1XIeoAk

>>4729690

There's the swamp creatures in hexen

>>4729695
currently in a fight with the final fantasy villain looking motherfucker with the energy shield. I'm getting my anal orifice repositioned by all those SMG guys that spawn in, each one taking a whopping 6 point-blank shotgun shells to go down. I can only compare this portion of the game to what developing a tumor in your mouth must be like.

>>4729704
haven't made it to that part yet, sounds fun, can't wait. I wager manage perfectly with just one viable weapon in my entire arsenal.

>>4729693

I dig it for sure. Wish there was vq3 movement option and not just qw style but it's all good.

>>4729725
>accelerates you while holding W
it's not even qw style, it's fucking painkiller

>anon mentions PB, decide to give it a try
>just feels like brutal doom, the hardest difficulty was probably on par with vanilla doom UV
did I do something wrong lads, I'm actually quite bad at doom

>>4729037
That's so cool. Who drew this?

Time to meme it up
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x4k2bxhorxb4vyo/CLANG.wad?dl=0

>>4729643
>Speaking of, did anyone make a Zombies Ate My Neighbours TC for Doom?
I remember seeing someone doing that in ZDoom Forums, but I don't think it went anywhere.

Anyone here know how to install Your Path of Destruction and use it in Quakespasm?

>>4729690
People use the Duke shark for those purposes, albeit it only really works with ZDoom underwater terrain. That being said, I'd love to see something like a massive underwater monster. Something that really makes players fear getting into the water.

Anyone here know how to install Your Path of Destruction and use it in Quakespasm?

>>4729761
does it not just install to a mod folder like every other quake mod? looks sort of janky anyway

>>4729719
There's also the fishman from Blood (I don't remember if it's able to leave water)
>>4729753
>I'd love to see something like a massive underwater monster
There's a Cutmanmike wad with a giant squid boss, though it's kinda cartoony looking.

>>4729721
oh wait they don't spawn in, lol. the eos chick comes in busting through a wall with a door conveniently laid to the side and starts plinking away at capek with the godawful assault rifle for god knows what damage. I don't even know if she's dealing any.

he of course disregards her presence entirely. I like to think it's because she was barely present throughout the course of the story of the game despite her importance to the plot. or maybe it's the fact that she's missing all of her shots. I really don't know. he focuses on me, 1-2 shots me with homing plasma spheres. rinse and repeat.

>>4729762
it just comes with an exe called grafswap and its supposed to install (or "swap") the modded stuff in but it doesnt work at all.

>>4729675
Proper Dark Forces sourceport when?

>>4729761
>cyburdumun

>>4729770
that sounds like malware my dude, quake mods don't 'swap' vanilla stuff, they're installed into subfolders alongside \id1 (i.e. \rogue, \hipnotic) and the game automatically overrides the vanilla content with the new files when you play
googling 'grafswap' only gave one relevant hit, here
https://www.quakewiki.net/archives/doom/bugs.html
which doesn't exactly help much, it's possible the mod is so old it expects your quake install to be plain ol' dos quake right in your C:\ directory or something and if it's not placed in the right spot it has a seizure when trying to install; that page does mention a proper mod folder (\quake\ypod) but good lord it looks buggy from that page alone

>>4729753
I was thinking it could fit in Colorful Hell, since it has bugs as enemies

>>4729721
>>4729671
I love the vehicles in that game. Both the sub and the fighter are really satisfying.

>>4729578
>Arachnotron64
But that's one of the coolest designs in that game.

>>4729693
cool but NOT RETRO

>>4729671
Red Faction has a lot of neat gimmicks, but the gameplay wasn't actually that amazing.
Like GeoMod is fun to play with, but it's ultimately just a gimmick, it doesn't really come up a lot in the gameplay, as far as I recall.

Not Volition's strongest series, IMO.

>>4729743
/v/ drawthread. Honestly not a bad source of images to use for the OP too.

Im having an issue building my wad where i cant shoot through certain doors when they are open while i can shoot through other open doors that are exactly the same. Anyone know how to fix this?

Any other wads have a "theme park" feel like Pirate Doom?

>>4729842
oh btw i can shoot rockets through it, the player can move through it as well as monsters

>>4729690
I think strange aeons had those orange underwater things.

>>4729449
My favorite D1 map is probably E4M3, it has a grand sense of scale with so much open space and places to explore
For D2 it's probably Map04, The Focus, very classic-style and kinda spooky level

>>4729745
so this replaces every sound with a metallic clang effect, and only works in gzdoom?

>>4729845

DN3D life's a beach has a theme park level. I have doom vacation which is like a doom remake of it and might have that map?

>>4729764
the fish guys can leave water yes

>>4729671
Red Faction could be great, it starts really well but the AI and forced stealth brings it down so low it couldn't possibly come back by the time you have to use the shitty vehicles.
A remake could probably make it at least as good as a quality half life knockoff but it'd have to take a lot of liberties to fix some of the design flaws.

>all this red faction trashing
I got it on steam when it went on sale sometime ago... hohoho lord.

what am I in for?

>>4729869
First, look up a fanpatch for it. I forget the name.
Second, you're in for a fairly average early 00's shooter with a neat gimmick and a whole lotta potential cheap deaths. Still better than the second game though.

>>4729728
Nah mate, buoodal dumb and any of it's forks are dead easy thanks to the fact that general gonzalez 7 added pretty much everything wrong with modern FPS, making it dead easy. You can kill a cyberdemon with 3 SSG blasts, and anything below that is a joke.

>>4729873
Except hitscanners.

>>4729873

dw there's 37 difficulties to balance it out

>>4729862
>forced stealth
Oh lord, I forgot that.

That was beyond bad.

>>4729869
It's not Duke Nukem Forever tier, but it's hardly Duke Nukem 3D caliber either, to put it one way.
You might have fun with it, but you'll quickly grow frustrated with it at parts.

I don't think many would hold it against you if you went and noclipped past the stealth levels, because jesus.

>>4729869
HL clone from PS2 with an utterly useless destructible geometry gimmick, that ends up being kind of a Shogo rival gameplay-wise (that was NOT a compliment). Really cool music though.

>>4729886

oi
shogo is mean
red faction is allg too

>>4729886
Is shogo really that bad? I faintly remember it being a decent anime themed shooter.

>>4729878
I was never hugely bothered by hitscanners.

The first thing I do when I see a shotgunner or chaingunner coming out from an opening or past a corner, is to dive behind whatever corner, pillar or door opening I see, to get out of the way before they level their guns at me, taking stock to see how many of them there are, then formulating exactly what to do the second after.

>>4729896
/doom/ complained constantly about BD being too hard with hitscanners, because traps in maps are now death traps due to how much harder hitscanners are now, so someone playing Plutonia for the first time and doesn't know about all the traps will be turned to mincemeat on the very first map.

>>4729869
half life except your guns are garbo for the most part and every enemy is a bulletspongy, non-flinching HECU grunt with the ability to move spastically through the environment like one of unreal's enemies.
sensitivity is bad. crosshair might as well not be there. movement is only comparable to trudging your way through a giant pool of condensed milk with both ankles tied together. level design is frustrating for the most part. they're non linear, but also very extensive with rooms and halls that branch off to other portions of the map. you'll bump into dead ends often.

oh and you can blow parts of the environment and blast your way through stuff. it's only useful like twice in the entire game. also there's vehicles.

not SPECTACULARLY BAD by any means, mind you, but it's not gonna leave a good taste in your mouth.

>>4729894
It's pretty jank by today's standards, but even then it could be pretty weird. Plus since shotguns at point-blank and explosives are near-invariably lethal, the devs decided it would be a great idea to have ambushes and enemies placed around corners to bumrush you with shotguns and explosions in the mid-to-late game a lot.

Plus if you have to escort a certain someone who is armed, you can expect them to kill you at least once since they don't even attempt to check if you're between them and an enemy.

>>4729831
There's also the vrdoom booru, but I get the feeling that the majority of pictures there have already been used as OP images.

>>4729894

It's ok but not great. If you played it as a kid it's pretty sweet. NOLF on the other hand is AAA

>>4729898
>/doom/ complained constantly about BD being too hard with hitscanners
no we didn't

>>4729578
>Doom 64
>ugly monster sprites
How this meme got started I will never know.

>>4729878
Actually, I think I saw a webm once of a brutal chaingunner doing less damage than it's vanilla counterpart.

>>4729670
>please check you don't have the two-sided flag set on single-sided lines.
Not him, but why not?

>>4729898
>/doom/ complained constantly about BD being too hard with hitscanners
I never complained about it, because I'm not all that big on BD.
Some people complain about hitscanners overall, but that's in all contexts, and that's because they've conditioned by generic modern shooters with velcro cover mechanics to think that the *mere idea of using cover* is bad gameplay or something.