/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4715509
Because there are retards who actually buy it.

>>4715520
What are the alternatives? No modern TV can properly display a 240p signal at 60fps.

>>4715525
Stop using a modern TVS then and get a proper CRT. It's cheaper than buying that memescaler.

Cost of Materials

Supply and demand for a niche product

>>4715541
>Cost of Materials
I doubt there's more than $10 worth of hardware in that thing.

At the time there was no real competition and now they've stopped production.

I've got an OSSC on an LG HDTV and it works just fine for NES and SNES with their non-conforming signals.

>>4715552
How do you hook up your NES to an OSSC?

Did you build your own OSSC with composite inputs or is your NES RGB modded? I finally saved up for an NES, and I'm looking/saving to get it RGB modded, but for now I have to use the Framemeister's composite inputs, but I would love to use the OSSC instead.

>>4715509
To deter you from buying it.

Not only is the OSSC much cheaper than the Framemeister, but it' also far better.

>>4715509
It's not. Poorfags only think that because they don't know how much a quality video scaler used to cost. Framemeisters are damn cheap.

Won't be long before Smart TVs begin having decent filters and shaders built-in. They have the processing power for it.

You can already just use RetroArch.

>>4715765

I have an RGB modded NES.

>>4715765
>shrinkwrap
You think physical copy of a show about sister fucking will go up in value?

anyone want to buy mine for 200?

>>4715857
Very cool. How much did it cost to get that done? Game-Tech.us doesn't seem to be taking in any more orders for that.


>>4716150
No, I just don't have a Blu-Ray player. I have avoided trying to use my CECHA-00 PS3 in fear of getting that yellow light of death, so I haven't opened it yet. Besides, I think either Amatsume Akira or Yoruhime Nao are best girls. I really hate that the Kasugano Sora route requires hurting Yoruhime Nao. I have yet to try the fan disc game which offers the class president and drunk shop girl as options.

>>4716817
not the anon you're talking to but I did the work myself. the mod board is like $80 if I remember correctly. Getting the ppu off is not beginner work, but you can do it if you take your time. if you're not solder master I would pay someone on ebay to do it or buy pre modded.

>>4716817

I just bought mine pre-modded on ebay for like $330. I checked to make sure the person doing the mod was decent before the purchase.

>>4715824
>Won't be long before Smart TVs begin having decent filters and shaders built-in
Shine on you crazy diamond

>>4716817
My computer produces a better quality image for free with a better controller.

>>4716817
How many years did it take you to perfect the art of making shitty photos that trigger 90% of /vr/ on sight?

@4716817
@4715765
>buys expensive shit not to play vidya, but only to get valuable (You)s from a medievil stageplay community website
kudos

>>4715525
this is why most of us prefer to use CRT, you know? the types of screens that these consoles were designed to run on?

>>4715812
nobody cares.

>>4717110
that sums up most of /vr/'s users.

Why don't you faggots just emulate?

>muh authentic experience
>says an overweight manchildren playing his NES games on an HDTV

>>4716318
I'll give you $150 for it.

>>4717165
$150 and I'll allow you to touch it once

>>4717148
B-but I do

I never got the point of that thing. If you're going to play retrogames on a modern tv, why don't you just emulate? Ate least there will be less lag than all that shit hooked up together.

>>4715509
It's a piece of electronics catering to people that care about frame-perfect screens and who don't care about playing truly authentically, which is on a CRT with real hardware. The German is another touch to make it more exotic than it really is and claims to be the "master" (meister) which is insane considering that many emulators do far more than than overpriced hunk of crap. It's for dopes that don't know better.

>>4717264
>at least there will be less lag than all that shit hooked up together

From the makers of Framemeister comes-THE LAGMEISER. Only $799.95.

>>4716853
It's a trivial feature to implement and it could boost some sales.

>>4717285
Yes and no.

In other words never-ever.

>>4717385
lol you're one of those guys who always think some nerd shit will never be mainstream and then five or six years later it's all the normies are talking about.

>>4717271

>using an external scaler somehow makes real hardware unreal.
>German is more exotic somehow, even though it's Japanese already.

Okay.

>>4717408
I was explaining the marketing side of it, not common sense, anon. And yes, some people see "meister" and think that Germans worked on it making it German engineering.

>>4717408
And yes, using an upscaler is dumb when one considers all new HD TVs do that anyway, which is what creates the lag.

>>4717389
Playing retro games on original hardware has already reached saturation point. The future, like it or not, is upscaled repro hardware and/or emulation.

NEVER EVER DUMMY.

>>4717447
What are you talking about? There's no shortage of systems for the people that want them. Now, unless you bring up the price, that's besides the point of where the technology will be in the future.

>the future, like it or not, is creating lag and sticking with emulation and ignoring simulation

Gotcha.

>>4715509
multiadaptor for obsolete technologies, small market

>>4717457
I think what he's saying is there there are only a certain amount of N64s/Saturns/etc. in existence. Obviously over time some of them will start to malfunction/get lost/stolen/broken. New youngfags are going to come along deciding they want one as well. Meanwhile the people who want to sell their consoles for $20 in a yard sale are getting smaller and smaller, only people who really want these consoles have them now.

>>4717532
Pretty much this, also no TV manufacturer gives a tuppenny fuck about improving, or even supporting, SD inputs.

It's over as far as they're concerned. Open source display firmware could do it but nobody has gone that route. I wonder why?

>>4715528

But how am I supposed to RECORD my gameplay and stream in RGB?

My Elgato HD doesnt support SCART

>>4715528
As someone who does a lot of streaming I appreciate that I can stream pretty much everything from the Framemeister to an HD60 with very little hassle.

It was preferable to having to get a new video card that could also handle all of the various signals, or getting an OSSC. I play a lot of PS2 games so I prefer the de-interlacing that the Framemeister has to the bob de-interlacing on the OSSC.

>>4717439

No they fucking don't "do that anyway" idiot. First of all, HDTV's will likely only have composite or, if you're lucky, component RCA ports as the only analogue options. Second of all, modern HDTVs fucking suck at 240p scaling. Some can't do it at all outside of composite. Some can't even do 480i or 480p scaling properly, and are only optimised for 720p and 1080p to 4k. The entire fucking point of an external scaler is that with an external scaler you can buy something specific to what you're scaling, rather than praying that your TV's scaler can do what you want properly.

>>4717557
>First of all, HDTV's will likely only have composite

Wrong right off the bat.

>Second of all, more proof that HDTV's are stupid to use with original hardware

Yep.

I assure you that my 32" CRT with component, S-video, composite and RF inputs can handle it.

>The entire fucking point is to spend more money on stuff so that my beloved new TV can handle what your 20+year-old CRT does-and I resent you for it.

Yeah, we know. This place is where tech fanboys go.

>>4717532
No kidding, but it's still not at a saturation point which is completely made up with this topic. Firstly, anyone who really wants a Saturn can get one. Secondly, the number of people in the future willing to adapt will shrink, that is the nature of everything. Just like only the "elite" can build their own arcade, someday in the future that may be true of SOME home consoles.

The difference being the overall cost. Comparing the two, arcade games dwarf consoles in every single way-and with MAME no one is saying "oh, the arcade game thing is at saturation point..uh oh." And speaking of the future, what with everything being emulated now, why are you so sure things won't get even better? MAME was unthinkable in the early '90s because of space limitations alone. That was a span of just what...7 years? Get me?

Also, I want a Saturn and want to emulate a Saturn. What now? What saturation? Why are you guys CONSTANTLY trying to artificially drive up the prices with your flimsy arguments? I swear I'm speaking to Pat the NES punk.

Modern OLED's can already (near) perfectly emulate the look of CRTs with 4k filters, and they have the same excellent black levels and close to the same motion clarity as CRTs now. I would just switch to those and emulate if you're not planning on using CRTs

The only hill that hasn't been tackled is input lag, and even then OLED's are only short of fast response 'gamer' PC monitors, and continually getting better. Hopefully one day >10ms will be the bare standard

>When one connects a classic console such as an NES to a truly modern up-to-date TV-which includes all new TVs made within the last 10 years- it upscales the signal from the console. That is a fact and that is where the lag comes from.

>>4717715
oled scares me because of the burn in issues

>>4717767
I have a 65 inch LG C7 in my spare room. The fiancee played BOTW on it for 200+ hours and the hearts didn't burn in at all. Even the few times she left the tv on for extended periods.

>>4717715
My gaming monitor is about a .7 a frame of lag. My tvs range from .9 to 1.3 frames of lag. I would say that is acceptable... BUT when used alongside a framemeister you are ramping it up to 2.5 frames and that could be noticeable in some games. I grabbed an OSSC specifically for those situations. I OSSC to an hdmi to vga transcoder and run that to a VGA CRT monitor if for whatever reason I want higher quality AND a CRT.

For everything else I use my CRTs still.

>>4717029
Oh, let him show off his stuff, anon. He worked hard to get it.

>>4715509
Coz fuckwits are willing to pay for it.

>>4717148
For me it used to be wanting to use the original controllers. Now there's an adapter for everything. There's literally 0 reason to not emulate unless you've already dumped your future 401k on hundreds of games and hardware.

>>4716817
>buy a framemeister
>plays on emulation consoles like the retron

you are pathetic

>>4718118
No, don't you see? It's consistently qualified, nothing pure, which in a way, is pure.

>>4716835
>>4716840
Unfortunately, I do not have the skills, equipment, knowledge, and time to do my own mod work. I'd rally like to get the NES and Famicom RGB modded for convenience, but I got to find a trustworthy person, and I will have to take a long time to save up that much to do it. I'm just fishing around to find a trustworthy and good modder first, and I'll still have to save up a lot. Thanks.


>>4716917
Cool, I like my dedicated emulation computer too. There's so much I cannot afford, and so many great games I remembered playing that I cannot get like the games in MAME and NeoGeo carts. I lucked out when getting the Alienware Alpha v1, since the machine was a regret purchase from a co-worker, so he let me have it for cheap. I like its small form factor, but I wish to combine Lakka with SteamOS and get a perfect mix for it.


>>4717029
I am amused that people on an image board would get triggered by images. I only work 4 days a week, as my employer considers anything over 24 hours a week "full time," so to unwind and decompress from a difficult day, I do have some time to post on 4chan and play some games. I have been on 4chan for a long time, back in the day when it would go down due to lack of funding, but I originated from /h/ so, uh, I guess over a decade.


>>4718118
I don't have a Retron. I used a Super Retro Trio because I couldn't afford a NES until recently and I still had a lot of NES games from my youth.

>>4718215
Why do you only work a 6 hour day, 4 days a week?
What do you have against full-time?
Are you claiming disability?
Is it a mental condition?

I just want to know what my fellow anons are putting themselves through.

>>4715509
is there any reason to get it for 6th gen and up games? I know you can run component on it. Would it do anything for stuff like ps2 or gamecube games?

>>4718465
framemeister has bad 480p you get tons of static noise on solid colors
but if you dont have a crt and your lcd is like mine with only hdmi input its an alright option
its also good for deinterlacing the 480i games with less lag than a lot of tvs

>>4718476
>framemeister has bad 480p
I have no idea where this myth comes from, but it's simply not true in my experience.
>you get tons of static noise on solid colors
This is an issue on all inputs. You can make it much less noticeable by using deep color mode, though.

>>4718476
>>4718492
I have a nice 50 inch LCD that has some super low input lag, and from what I can see does 240p up to 1080. Also has component/composite, and HDMI. Still like someone else mentioned its nice to have options.

I don't have a 480p capable of CRT so if this deinterlaces that shit for my crt it would be nice. I run component cables for every console I can.

>>4715525
Mine does.

Lot of modern hdtvs have both

>>4717698

You're a fucking idiot. Don't assume I don't have a CRT. The framemeister's for streaming and recording. Some people have different needs and desires, fucko.

>>4718492

The Framemeister has bad 480p. That comes from reality, from the basic and indisputable fact that the Framemeister has a hardware flaw where it samples incorrectly, causing 480p images to be slightly blurry along the horizontal axis. Emphasis on slight. Do most people care? Will most people even notice? No. It's not remotely important or noticeable unless you're an insane picture quality freak. Which some people are, so those people buy an OSSC and then a whole bunch of other shit to go along with it because it's extremely picky about what works with it. It's the same thing about picture noise on large solid colours. It's there, it's noticeable, but most people won't care or even notice unless it's pointed out to them even in the worst cases.

>>4715509
I still don't understand what this is for. Is it only if you want to record your gameplay or does it have some other use?

XRGB-3 was better.

>>4715549
I know you don't know what hardware is in that thing

>>4718878

Lets you play retro games on a modern TV through RGB SCART while also scaling the image correctly.

>>4715824
I really hope so. My CRTs can't last. I just hope they are affordable in the $100 range. I hope more modern efficient techniques at producing higher quality goods can push the prices down so I can enjoy them.


>>4717110
It may be difficult to believe, but I can play games and get (you)s.


>>4718310
I work 8 hours a day 4 days a week, because in the USA full time is defined by the employer. Under 20 hours, is typically considered "part time" and over 40 hours a week qualifies for overtime pay. My employer schedules me for 4 days a week, like all the others at my workplace, in case an extra shift is needed but then it will still not cross that overtime threshold.

I have nothing against full-time. In fact I want 40 hours a week, since the extra $40 of take-home pay for that 5th day a week is very needed. The minimum wage in the USA is $7.25USD/hr and I get paid $8.50/hr meaning just around $5/hr take-home pay after taxes. It is not enough to cover housing, utilities, clothing, meals, means of transportation to work, and the joy of videogames to unwind from the stresses of work.

No disabilities, no mental conditions to report. I hope that paints a picture of what it is like in the middle of nowhere USA.

>>4719321


>live in NY
>40 hour work week
>$12.50 an hour
>It's fucking chump change

Life is suffering

>>4719321
>>4719360
Sounds like you should move somewhere civilised where you get a decent minimum wage and tax breaks for low earners...or educate yourselves into a better job and stick where you are.

>>4719360
>>4719370
Or switch to a different job that offers more. Traders Joe's offers 15-20 an hour. Come on man there's no excuse

>>4719293
Does it come with some kind of adapter for SCART? I don't recognize that RGB-IN connector.

>>4719467
Comes with a JP-21 adapter. You can get it with a SCART adapter from Solaris Japan for $10 more.

>>4719321
Just don't have kids. My $21/hr isn't enough!

>>4717447
>Playing retro games on original hardware has already reached saturation point.
Ready Player One came out this year, the saturation point is just now coming up. Things that are popular on the internet and seem completely cliche are just then catching on with the normies at the time.

>>4719587
Those normies will be playing those games on cellphones or buying Nintendo Minis and ATGames rubbish.

Don't kid yourself.

>>4715824
>Won't be long before Smart TVs begin having decent filters and shaders built-in.
I could see chinks doing this, but for phones rather than TVs.

>>4720167
>get Samsung tv.
>add retroatch to my steam library.
>stream my retroarch onto my tv.
>emulation lag, Bluetooth lag, network lag, lcd lag all stack up.
>/vr autism intensifies
REEEEEEEE
>I still can't perceive any lag, and have a great time playing punch out and kid Icarus and zelda2

>>4716150
Man I was down to love that show. Art was great. I was in a pettanko stage. But holy shit its so boring

>>4719321
Jebus. I work 24 hours a week which is considered full time here. I won't even bother saying how much I make because it'll just piss people off and start a LARPing shitfest. Damn I'm glad I don't live in the states any more.

ITT: writing card anon blogging cause he thinks people care about his life.
>>4715509
You could've just googled the answers to your question in less time than you took for creating this thread.

I have been looking around for a BVM A20F1U for a few years now and there are none to be had out by me. They all go for a few thousand now. No freight carrier would take one up into the mountains/woods either, so I am SOL. The upscalers are there to at least allow me to continue enjoying the few games I do have, so I think they are worth their prices.


>>4719360
Different regions and their cost of living is not scaled well with the pay. Out here that's a lot. Life is suffering.


>>4719370
The $7.25/hr is the national minimum wage here in the USA. I would imagine it is difficult to be naturalized to a better country, and the cost of a move well beyond my means. Education would require aptitude and funding which I have no means of attaining.


>>4719514
I am envious of your earnings, especially in relation to mine. I acknowledge kids are a financial burden more than maintaining my sanity from my work, but it can't be much more.


>>4720826
Congratulations on escaping the economic hardships. It is a dream I hope to achieve one day.


>>4720915
Just responding to the glorious (you)s.

>>4717549
>you need scart to capture RGB
ive been capturing RGB for years. you just need a capture card that actually captures RGB. you guys are so fucking stupid here. You can capture RGB through VGA and probably a bunch of other shit. Next time buy a real capture card and not some meme gaymer elgato shit.

>>4715528

I use CRT's at home but what if I want to take my classic game system to a normies house? What's a good cheap option to where the games are at least playable?

>>4720936
can you please start using a tripcode? I'd like to filter your shit

>>4716318
Yes.

>>4715509
Because its worth it.

>>4720964

Normies will only have cheap Wal-Mart HDTVs that are HDMI only. Cheapest option is a crap RCA to HDMI converter from Amazon that will introduce lots of input lag or a $200 OSSC which won't introduce any more input lag but might not work on their shitty TVs due to framerate variance with older consoles.

>>4721163
send me an email if you want - mogthe1st@aol.com

>>4715509
>Why is it so damn expensive?

Because TV manufactures are cheap and/or retarded and somehow haven't figured out how to make a good internal scaler. I still can't believe no one has made a gaming-focused TV with all the inputs, perfect scaling and nearly no lag. Gaming is the biggest form of entertainment, such a TV would sell, even to normies.

>>4715765
Due to how dogshit Composite video is, any converter that doesn't introduce lag is good.

I got one of these for pulling S-Video out of my gamecube and it worked for the NES for a while too:
https://www.amazon.com/Composite-S-Video-Converter-Screen-Version/dp/B003NUN7DG

It introduces no lag (tested with 240p test suite, the lag in OSSC is the same with other consoles via scart, and is 100% based on my TV's minimal lag), and the picture quality is about what you expect from composite with some filtering.

Get the RGB mod. It's fairly easy to do, provided you can de-solder the NES PPU.

Short production runs can make seemingly simple products quite expensive.

>>4720967
You don't even need to do that. Once you see such a picture with a paper with something "/vr/" on it and/or see something in the line of 'I'm so unfortunate guise pls give me attention guise! I'm so sad, waaaah!', you know it's that same guy and you should ignore anything he brings up. I don't even believe anyone's falseflagging him and that he actually believes that bullshit he spouts.

>>4721524
>short production runs
I dont think you know much

>>4721192
Poorfags may be the norm in your trailer park but all the normal people I know have decent TVs with multiple analog inputs

>>4721918

You can stop pretending you know anybody, Anon. Normies like Chad and Stacy care about nothing other than if their 85 inch TV can plug into their cable box.

>>4721192

I've yet to see a TV that doesn't have an option for RCA inputs. I took my Genesis to a friend's house though and the input lag made some games unplayable. I don't mind the blurriness but is there way to cheaply get rid of the lag?

>>4717714
>Pls buy my NES collection only $1000/game at Luna.
Get a damn flash cart or emulate.

>>4721951
Exactly which 85" TV doesn't have analog inputs? Stupid poorfag.

>>4716817
>writes E's like backward 3's
Nobody asked for your opinion, you lazy fuck.

>>4718515
Good god.

>>4722203
It's a dated pic, im fairly certain the last two outputs are filled now. I should have bought an extron that was 8 for 8 instead of 8 for 4.

I really like that pic though, looks sexy as fuck. I really hate having to change anything back there since it's in a nice snug space. Unplugging, making the adjustments and then replugging is a fucking bitch. I try to avoid it at all costs

>>4715509

Because the framemeister is the thinking man's scaler.

>>4722236
>thinking man
>scaler
9001/troll

>>4720937

>it is impossible to want to conveniently capture both modern and retro consoles.

>>4722106

If a HDTV even comes with analog these days its usually a dongle. Normies won't even know what this is and will toss it out after the cable guy attaches their DVR. So its best to take some form of analog to HDMI converter if you go to any normie house. Angry shut-ins wouldn't know this though.

>>4715509
I honestly have no idea. It's just a cheap little converter box that needs trivial processing power and does nothing proprietary. Why the chinks haven't ripped it off and made their own $20 version is beyond me.

It would be completely possible to install a capture card in a PC that could do the exact same thing and a lot more in coordination with software if anyone was interested in developing the concept. I know Retroarch has some kind of video hooks already implemented. If you could just get video from a capture card and put shaders over it then that would easily surpass anything these little chintzy boxes could do.

>>4722979
It uses a framebuffer, and scales video.
It's a scaler.

>>4723570
>If you could just get video from a capture card and put shaders over it then that would easily surpass anything these little chintzy boxes could do.
I'm sure it could, with input lag easily in the 2-3 second range.

You are a fucking brainlet, anon.

>>4723584
>WARNING! HEAD-POINT ALTITUDE ERROR! PLEASE ENGAGE BRAIN TO PREVENT TOTAL AND IMMEDIATE RESPIRATORY FAILURE!

>>4723561
If you bought a TV recently you would know that analog is still standard, poorfag.

>>4723589
>I'm sure it could, with input lag easily in the 2-3 second range.
This isn't 2004, you idiot. There is no reason why there would be any more input lag than you would get with a Framemeister. The analog to digital conversion adds trivial (less than 1 frame) delay, and from there everything is dependent on the software.

The bigger issue that would possibly show up is screen tearing. It's a strange to think of when dealing with video from a real console, but you can get it through this method if everything isn't set up right.

>>4723659
Let's see a proof of concept then, anon.

Try playing a fighting game (actually any game other than a turn-based RPG) via a console plugged into a modern capture card and see how far you get. Why not record and post it in this thread for maximum lulz?

>>4723570
Thought about this solution too.
One may even use the cheapest, but not the most elegant option, and scale the signal via the cpu, thus having an interface card with a minimum of components and maximum flexibility.I guess PCI Express would be sufficient to use for bandwidth.

>>4723570
Dumbest comment on 4chan currently.

You surpassed all levels of idiocy with this one. I will await your $20 box so I can compare.

>>4723589
2-3 seconds is exaggerating. I use a framemeister with my capture cards (Elgato 4k, ripsaw, camlink) there is no added delay with these and the framemeister is ~1 frame. No reason the delay would be blown up by any of this stuff.

The guy is an idiot, but so are you for thinking any of that would take more than a few more milliseconds.

>>4723632
"standard" he says. My last few tvs needed proprietary adapters to use analog connections.

It is standard on poor people tvs (and hardly even then because even TCL only has composite with the rest digital)

>>4723570
>Why the chinks haven't ripped it off and made their own $20 version is beyond me.
that should tell you everything you need to know about your cunning plan

>>4723561
>normies buy an 85" TV and then throw away parts
Is this what poorfags actually believe or is it only poorfags with a certain kind of stupid?

>>4723835
Show me ANY technical reason why a Framemeister should cost more than $20.

>>4723754
> if anyone was interested in developing the concept.
I didn't say an existing capture card not designed for video games. This would be a new product designed to have no lag.

Also detecting HEAVY buyers remorse from these Framemeister fags to see the notion that their $400 filter box is becoming obsolete and they won't have anything to post photos of and brag about on forums anymore.

>>4723779
You'd definitely want to scale via the CPU. The card would just be to add the requisite ports and get the video signal into a form that can be processed by the computer. I think, although I am not sure, that you would also want to decode the video signal on the hardware level as well. With some fine control over that process afforded by software.

>>4723632

My Samsung 52inch 4k doesnt have analog inputs

>>4724062
Even more far-fetched then.

I await your crowdfunding effort which will die on its arse almost immediately.

>>4723584
>not thinking man
>your post
choose two

>>4717549
Why on God's green earth would you even want to record your gameplay? No one wants to watch you play castlevania 4

>>4724070
This guy on my forum was selling his after super NT came out
Cause most of these faggots only play super nintendo

>>4719321
How about you get a better job? It's literally that easy. I live in the middle of no where poduck USA and make 24 an hr as a home care nurse.

>>4724056
make one for 20 bucks, or let's make it 40 for nice profit, and rake in all the fine shekels from people who want a framemeister but can't afford it.
you will be rich, FILTHY RICH.

>>4715509
Question to anyone who has one of these. I just picked one up and it works great for my N64, but there are some noticeable black pixels that pop up on the top and bottom of the screen every once in a while. I don't remember seeing them on a CRT, so I feel like it has to do with the overscan. I'm trying to figure out how I can add a border to the top and bottom of the screen. Does anyone know a way to do this?

>>4725848

I scale the image using a non-integer scale so it slightly cuts off the top and bottom. That's my solution but I don't know about creating a border.

>>4723570
>>4723835
>>4725828
This looks promising for under $20.


>>4721498
That device seems like it would be a decent workaround for the time being to send NES/Famicom to the OSSC until I can save up enough since I cannot perform that mod, and that is why I have to rely on someone else to help me with the modifications. Thanks!


>>4725459
I was considering applying to my local Walmart. My town is practically built around it and positions there are pretty competitive.

>>4725828
why 40 when retards will pay 400?

>>4726535
That likely introduces lag, and doesn't do any of the scanline generation a Framemeister does.

>>4726536
Retards don't buy framemeisters. They suffer with composite and pretend it isn't as bad as it really is.

>>4715525
What are you talking about? My HDTV displays 240 in 4:3 and at 60fps as well. What crappy TV do you have? Is it a Vizio?

>>4726549
you almost got me

>>4726558
It accepts the signal and upscales it. That is not "properly" displaying it.

>>4717491
This. There are just way too few people who would buy such a thing, so barely any were made. So scalpers know they have people interested in this thing by the nuts. So they inflate prices.

>>4725454

Except thats exactly what people do, so

I even have an audience on Twitch

>>4726585
this is the part where we tell you to kill yourself

>>4724056
Show me ANY technical thing you know kiddo. The components alone cost much more than that.

>>4726964
prove it

>>4726983
>prove it
You first kiddo. You're the one claiming one could be made for $20 without even knowing what's inside. inb4 baby tantrum. But we all know it's coming anyway.

>>4726535
>This looks promising for under $20.
then buy one and report back on how good it is , I dare you, I double dare you.