/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4692003
Metal Max Returns.

>>4692003
Dragon Quest 4 is even better.

try DQVI or FFV if you're looking for something similar

>>4692114
oh and FFIII

>>4692003
Tons, but you have terrible taste so you probably won't like them

>>4692003
chrono trigger is pretty great
i too played dq3 snes years later and was blown away

>>4692003
>playing Dragon Quest, the poor man's Final Fantasy

>>4692131
here (You) go

>>4692131
Dragon Quest is objectively better than the earlier Final Fantasys. FF1 feels antiquated in comparison and came out around the same time as DQ3.

>>4692169
The first two Dragon Quests have aged like fine vinegar too though.

>>4692003
I'm trying my hardest to enjoy dragon quest but it's just so much grinding. At least the first two games. Is the third one better in that regard?

>>4693341
If you can't tolerate grinding then I suggest you just bail out of the series now. That or start with the DS remakes of 4-7 where leveling is balanced to be on par with natural progression.

>>4693341
>>4693412

III really has no grinding at all. It’s a very moderate game compared to the first two as far as difficulty goes. And really the games afterward don’t require grinding either

>>4693418
>And really the games afterward don’t require grinding either
Why are you lying to him like this?

Funny, I was playing the GB version of this game doing a solo quest, and inside a pachisi track (the one above that spirit bitch) and after a random encounter, for some reason the game bugged and I got infinite experience until I got lvl 99. Not that I regret it, after the first 1000 combats you grow tired of them.

>>4693418
Haven't touched it in while, but played some DQ 3 recently, for the first time. Got to Romaria (? that's the name right) and around there fights started to be brutal. And I felt that I could try to risk it, push towards next dungeon or whatever and hope that my mp and healing items carry me there and back, which seems unlikely, or I could spend some evenings grinding getting some gear and levels and avoid wasted trip to just die.

I assume you mean it's one of those game where you don't need to grind when you know everything perfectly, form a perfect team, and optimize equipments, spell usage and go directly where you need to without having to find your way.

>>4692003
This is probably my favorite /vr/ JRPG, but FFV comes in at a close second. They both have pretty great class systems.

>>4692003
DQ5DS

>>4692131
Gotta try harder than that m8

>>4693927
>Got to Romaria (? that's the name right)
Romaly

>>4694384
If it comes to the class system, why don't you prefer VI-VII?

>>4694976
I meant
>>4694354

>>4692113
lolno

>>4693418
Are you playing a port? The original had a TON of grinding.

>>4694354
>push towards next dungeon or whatever and hope that my mp and healing items carry me there and back

https://dragon-quest.org/wiki/Chimaera_wing
Buy that thing and save yourself the way back.

>>4694993
Does the SNES version already count as a port?

>>4695000
Yes.

>Love DQ
>Recently beat VII for the first time
>Hated it so much I have no desire to play any other DQ game right now

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>>4695031
I'm sad. I think dq7 was probably one of the most slept on games in the entire series but it had tons of quality content in the game.

I can definitely see the hate in the game since its legit over 110 hours long but I enjoyed how it put virtually everything together from all of it's predecessors and made it a love letter to the series of sorts.

That, and something about the "small world" at the very start of the game, it got me hooked in a way that I cant really explain or feel quite like most other games

>>4694979
Not him, but VI breaks so fucking badly with even minor thought put into using the class system in a way that it really shouldn't. It's the first DQ where I found myself complaining about how broken things were. VII's pacing issues don't do it any favors.

>>4695034
What matters is that you enjoyed it, bud.

Personally, V is my favorite.

>>4695031
Gaming Gods help you if you miss a shard. I apparently missed one and didn't know until 20+ hours later. After backtracking for 4-5 hours, I just quit and haven't played it again.

>>4692131
Nah, no one's this retarded.

>>4692003
DQ3 is a great game. I recommend FFV as it's similar and also lots of fun.

9 it's pretty good and the closest thing to a modern 3
>>4692113
DQ4 was bad compared to 3,you can replay 3 a lot,4 replayabilty is shitted by the multiquest and funny how chapter 3 It's the worsts on both DQ4 and M3

>>4695370
>9
Looks cool but my OCD prevents me from playing it because the online features are no longer available.

>>4695542
They are all in the catridge,Just use cheats

>>4695549
Cool, thanks anon. Time to play some dq9.

>>4692003
which version of DQ3 should I play best with?

>>4695705
Sufami for the thieves and bikinis.

>>4695705
SNES, though the NES one is also fine.

>>4695705
The GBC version has the most content.

>>4696317
It's also the easiest by far. They completely fucked the difficulty.

>>4695043
Your demeanor is so refreshing, it brought a tear to my eye.

>>4695034
I really liked 7 too, but it felt like an incredibly long journey. By the end of it, not only was I happy to have finished, I never wanted to play it again. It's a fantastic game but once is enough.

>>4696331
It's a shame they fucked up the remake so badly.

>>4697314
What's wrong with the remake? General consensus I've heard on other sites is that it fixes up pacing issues that were present in the original, and it doesn't look like a complete abortion like certain other ports/remakes.

>>4693915
DQ "grinding" discussions are confusing because some people are talking about the originals and some people are talking about the remakes
(And now there's also the nugamer definition of grinding which seems to be "fighting any non-boss battles at all")

>>4697331
It still has atrocious pacing issues. I sold it when I finally got to the first dungeon several hours later only to be told "Now fuck off and go to this thing you passed fifty times".

Dragon quest IV is pretty good too

>>4697564
>(And now there's also the nugamer definition of grinding which seems to be "fighting any non-boss battles at all")
>Shit that doesn't happen

>>4692114
>>4692118
The Silva Saga games also have a similar thing to DQIII in party mechanics.

>>4697331
It attempts to speed up the pacing a bit, but only in places. It comes across as truncated and shortened at times, but still painfully long at others. That being said, some might say the long, slow pace of 7 is one of the best parts about it, so your mileage may vary.

One of the largest flaws, at least for me, was the combat. They switched from a 2D perspective to showing 3D models, which means that every attack is lengthened by having the animations play out. In addition, the US localization has a fair bit of slowdown when selecting abilities during battle, which gets pretty annoying. Both of these factors can add on multiple seconds of dead air to each round of combat, which in a game with as many battles as 7 ends up adding *hours* of empty space overall.

One could also raise points about the localization taking away the charm of the original, the extra content coming across as forced at best and the glitches (including a softlock) but at least for me the really burdensome combat was enough to turn me off pretty hard. I'm usually alright with the remakes, but 7 is one of the few DQ entries where I'd say the original is almost entirely better than the remake.

>>4692003

FF IV

>>4697981
I remember II had switching between three parties during combat, which I thought was neat but it made the game a bit easy because the idols and mercs recovered their HP automatically

>>4697564
the fuck are you talking about?

whether its DQV on SFC or PS2, you still have to grind quite a bit.

I played the SFC remake of DQ3, though it requires less grinding than the NES version, there is still a fuck ton of grinding to be done.

DQ as a series has always required grinding.

Just because its not fuckin Disgaea levels of obscene grindin doesn't change anything.

I'm currently playing DQ2.
I'm near the end and I was wondering: what's the best version of DQ3?

I enjoyed the mobile version of DQ2, but I'm not a fan of the fact they are reusing the tileset for DQ3 mobile.

Any other reason to prefer the SNES version?

>>4699640
IMO the gbc version is the best. The fan translated SNES version is full of bugs and glitches.

>>4699643
the translation you mean
and even so there's like two broken npcs in the entirety.

>>4699640
They're all pretty solid, but you probably want SNES or GBC. The GBC one is the easiest, but has the most content, while the SNES one looks better and retains a bit of difficulty.

>>4699595
The SNES version of DQV has a much higher encounter rate than the PS2 and DS versions. This might as well be considered "more grinding"

>>4692003
There are many that are better

DQ is literally a children's game

>>4692131

>>4700628
Yes real adults like myself play Real shin megoomi tensai games,But seriously games in general are children shit for most people so don't to act like the most mature of toddlers

>>4700610
The SNES version also has a three person party and significantly weaker bosses because of it.

Alena's story is surprisingly brutal, this is my first time playing the original.

>>4700641
>But seriously games in general are children shit for most people

never said i played persona. that said, little kids don't play persona

>>4695558
Be careful with unlocking quests. If you just use something like an Action Replay code to unlock everything, you'll unlock a quest that can't be completed and your game can permanently glitch, which can persist even if you delete and create a new save file.
The glitches can be fairly tame, such as messing with the rendering of a fountain to straight up making random quests impossible to complete.

>>4700907
12 year old weabos are no better than kids and probably they do in Japan who knows? I really doubt western kids play any rpg at all other than Skyrim or maybe Pokemon

>>4701336
This is how I unlocked them:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/937281-dragon-quest-ix-sentinels-of-the-starry-skies/71126194

>>4699643
>>4699690
What are the main bugs in it? I know there's a save one if you sort your bag with a certain item in it and save, as well as one for if you save with the hero not in the lead spot. Any others? I'm planning on going through it on my sd2snes so I just want to make sure, I've got them all noted.

>>4699595
I never had to grind once in DQV. I have no fucking idea what you're talking about at all.

>>4692113
Maybe in some ways, but chapter-based RPGs really irk me.

>>4692169
I do prefer the older Dragon Quests, but there's something really nice to me about FF1. It's fantastically broken and satisfying to me.

>>4694979
They were too expansive. Fun, but too much. Too much overlap class to class, too many ridiculously good skills and too much emphasis on grinding to hit the god classes

I did enjoy the hell out of 7 though.

>>4692003
G.O.D. - Growth or De-evolution (SNES) was recently fan translated, believe me, it is one hell of a trip to play. The patch is a bit buggy as the revive skills don't work in battle.

>>4692003
Party suggestions for a new player?

>>4704164
Try what you want, you can easily switch out members.

>>4704164
Fighters are very strong past the first dozen levels or so and usually exceed warriors. Doubly so since you can grab an amazing fighter weapon somewhat early. I'd recommend at least one.

>>4692113
this

>>4704164
Hero, Cleric, Warrior, Mage and turn the Mage into your Sage is easy and works. Mage is the worst part of that party by far, but Increase is one of the only ways to avoid getting fucked by annoying enemies like Boss Troll in the remakes because of how much they jacked the HP up and Bikill is always good.

>>4704164
It works like this,More physical classes and a healer is best for the early game but you will have to switch them a lot later because physicals don't learn spells,Ideally having a whole party if magic users will help you on the long road but will make the early game way harder and if you get a mage don't change classes until you get bikill/Oomph,Their final class is up to you trough but it is recommended that everyone at least was a cleric and mage once

>>4704164
I'm new, too, and I'm going to roll Dealer, Thief, Cleric, and then probably switch them to Fighter, Warrior, Sage, respectively, and see how that works.

>>4704164

By far the easiest party I’ve done a run with was Hero/Fighter/Cleric/Cleric. You can run through areas at low levels pretty easy since you’ll never be hurting for heals. And you can use the clerics’ Infernos for groups/high defense enemies early on if you need to. Then once you get the chance, make one of the clerics a sage to get the few useful mage spells

If you’re playing the remakes, I’d suggest always gunning for whips and boomerangs when you get the chance. I almost always have at least two characters using one or the other. DQIII tends to have pretty big groups of enemies so anything that can hit multiple monsters is super useful. And again it saves MP for healing meaning you can get through areas early at lower levels

>>4703954
What other chapter-based RPGs are there, even?

>>4704834
>>4704819
>>4704529
>>4704457
Another fun, albeit harder choice is no party at all and just doing it solo. It's possible and makes things more interesting.