/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4661647
more like throw your back edition amirite xD

>>4661703

Asked in the previous thread, but got no reply. On a Toshiba AF42, do I set DVD or DTV levels for consoles over YPbPr/Component?

What's a good HDMI to AV splitter to get for using a non-analog capture card on a CRT?

Friendly reminder to always fall for the meme.

HOLLEEE FUCK
Found a few of these buds at work. I assumed all monitors used composhit cards, didn't expect these laying around.
I'm gonna snatch them all when they are going to be sold off in few years time. If successful and if I don't get ripped off, will gift them to you guys one by one.

Is the PVM-2530 a good monitor?

>>4661897
DIY replacements are a thing now, they don't hold much value anymore

Somebody on my local craigslist has been trying to sell a bunch of Sony monitors for over a year now, and it's been so long that I'm thinking about making an offer. They want $200 a piece but I'm thinking they will take less now.
But I'm not sure these monitors are good for anything. The model is PGM-2710, so they are nice and big unlike what many on /vr/ have, but I'm worried that they don't support 15kHz. It's hard to find reliable information about this specific model.
If it only supports 480p it's pretty much useless to me.

Anyone know anything about this model?

>>4661931
Yeah I know about them, ebay had a few listings that went for considerably less than the offers for original cards.
However the fact that they are rare enough, and finding out about a few of them here raised my eyebrows.

>>4661945
They are shit. That is why people go with the smaller ones.

>>4661979
Why are they shit though? Because the no-15khz thing is true?

>>4661647
Brainlet here.
I'm using a pvm 2030 and it's great except I would like a way to send the audio to a pair of Bluetooth wireless headphones. Since the TV doesn't have speakers I'm currently sending the audio to a pair of cheap wal mart speakers. The speakers have a headphone jack, so could I plug a Bluetooth transmitter into that and pick it up on my headphones?

>>4662124
I don't see any reason why not. I'm using a pair of decent computer speakers on mine.

Hey CRT thread, I got rid of my tube TV years ago, but I still have games I could play on them. Now I don't know much about CRTs, are there any specific things I should look out for? I live in a SCART country. A quick glance at local deals shows they're still easy to find over here. I found some nice small ones (14"). Are the later CRTs generally good? The newest ones I could find were manufactured in the mid to late 00's. There's just one thing that worries me, the front connectors for audio on the small TVs are usually mono. Is this a bad sign? I'd use the SCART anyway.

>>4661713
Could be for choosing between Beta vs SMPTE levels, or between 601/709, but the latter seems a bit unlikely for an SD set.

What happens when you switch between the two?

>>4661727
What exactly are you trying to do?

>>4661945
PGMs are 480p sets. There were expansion cards which would let them accept 15khz signals if I remember correctly, but you're just getting what is essentially a linedoubler at that point.

So I recently got an extron switcher. I need to make many cables. Is there a specific size for the bnc ends? Do I want crimpable ones or something else?

>>4662263
>What happens when you switch between the two?
DTV is slightly brighter than DVD.

>>4661901
It's pretty alright although old, no service menu or component functionality. If you want to adjust it you'll have to open it and mess around with screws on a circuit board.

Best thing about it is it has stereo speaker output meaning you can hook up some speakers with speaker cables and get great stereo audio from any signal you plug in to the monitor. No need to strip the audio signal separate from the SCART or whatever and run it through a separate hi-fi system.

>>4662263
>What exactly are you trying to do?
I've got an HDMI capture card I want to use a converter to capture off my CRT.

Anyone have any experience with RCA 14F514T? It's small and has component input, I can get one for about 60 dollars including shipping. Seems a bit much considering a local thrift store has a large component crt for 30 dollars, it's just way too big for my room.

Worth 60? Or should I just wait and continue my search? I've been to 9 thrift shops in my city and only 1 had a crt.

>>4662296
If it's only a brightness thing, I'd just bring up a test pattern (PLUGE or SMPTE color bars) on whatever console you can manage that on and see what looks more proper. The latter would probably be able to show you if it's anything other than just brightness as well.

How much is too much for a crt?

>>4662887

>>4662887
about 3 fiddy

>>4662903
>>4662905
You guys are no better than /v/. Almost as bad as Reddit "wit".

>>4662909
Hey, who are you to judge. We just like retro vidya

Are CRT monitors any good? I want something better than the shitty consumer CRT television I'm currently using, but there are literally no professional CRTs for sale in my area for a reasonable price.

>>4662915
Go to the outskirts of town and ask all the industrial places if they have old electronics they need to get rid of. You could easily make enough money by scrapping all of it to buy a decent crt.

>>4662917
Or find some nice odds and ends.

>>4662917
>go door to door in the industrial areas asking if they have old CRTs for sale

Yeah, don't do this. That's retarded. Check Craigslist and the classifieds and make offers if the price is too high, there's a good chance they'll accept it since they're unlikely to get any other offers in most cities.

>>4662803
I wouldn't pay any money for a modern RCA set, especially not a flatscreen. Just keep lookin

>>4662823
I'll give it a try with 240p Test Suite on the Wii. Thanks.

>>4662635
What sort of signal(s) are you running to the CRT, and what sort of CRT is it?

>>4662823
It's clearly an RGB range setting. 16-235 vs 0-255. The correct setting for a TV and a console is limited range, i.e. whichever one is slightly dimmer.

>>4662887
You should be able to get one for free.

>>4662915
>Are CRT monitors any good?
No, they won't accept any signal below 480p so they are mostly useless for video game consoles.

>>4663727
Actually since the switch is on the TV, it's the other way around. If the console is outputting black as level 16 and white as level 235, the setting on the TV that looks dimmer is going to be the one meant for black level 0 and white level 255. Therefore you must select the brighter one, which is correctly interpreting level 235 as pure white.

Fuck, I kinda regret buying this huge ass 35 inch crt. It has component input but one speaker doesn't work, I plan on using external speakers anyway. I over estimated the free space in my room and it doesn't fit anywhere. It was only 5 dollars though.

>>4663727
Wouldn't both of those sources be expecting limited range though?

>>4663943
Do you mean that "DTV" (presumably "Digital Television") and "DVD" should both be limited range? The video on a DVD is supposed to be encoded with the limited range, but maybe some DVD players pull it up to full range for the output. DTV/DVD is a weird label for the setting, but I can't think of what else it would be. Since consoles are definitely outputting 16-235, it should always be safe (no clipping) to use the brighter setting though.

>>4662887

$50 is the absolute most you should ever pay for one. Free is much better.

I know this isn't truly /vr/, but I know of no other appropriate place to ask about CRTs.
At my parents house there's an old CRT HDTV Behemoth. I don't know the exact model number, but I know it has component inputs and can output at 720p.
I'm curious if others have experience with this kind of TV. I would guess, being from the early 2000s it would be ideal for PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube games in their high resolution modes, but I haven't done any testing.
I'm hoping to convince my parents never to throw it away (not that they could even move the damn thing) so that I can take it once I have a bigger place with a dedicated game room, but is this foolish? Will an LCD / Plasma monitor just be better for component based games?

>>4664013
HD CRTs are considered to be not great, but as you say it might be cool to use with a 720p source from around the same time. You will get more information if you can remember the brand or figure out the model number.

>>4664013
HD CRTs can accept 720p signals, but they can't display 720p.

Just picked up this crt for 5 dollars, it's huge and I have to put it on the floor but it was the only one I found after searching several thrift shops and I think it has a decent image.

>>4664024
Image uploaded reversed for some reason.

>>4664024

rate

Got this big boy at salvation army for 30 dollars
KV 27TS35

Did I do good /CRT/?

>/vr/ reminds me I have a SONY CRT with a built in VHS in storage somewhere
>Ask parents where it might be
>I think it's in the storage basement at our old store
>Nobody's been these in a month
>Open the store & a stench hits my nose
>gets worse & worse as I get closer to back where door to basement is
>open the fucking door
>Entire basement filled with a foot of raw sewage
>CRT likely totaled, even if it dries for a few months
>neighbor was apparently flushing paper towels down the toilet instead of toilet paper
>Lol, it's just a TV anon

>>4664638
Get another one. Combo units are garbage anyway.

>>4664638
As long as you didn't plug it in with it full of shit you could disassemble it and carefully wash it out pretty easily.

>>4664638
You know what to do.

>>4664638
Like another anon said, combo crts are pretty garbage. You can find a better one on some curve.

Try getting one with component. Scart to component is the best picture you'll get on a consumer American crt tv.

Fuck, this crt tv I just bought has some chips on the glass. I thought they were just smudges when I was taking it home, but after cleaning it up there's chips. It's just on the outer glass, is it easy to remove that glass and just continue using the crt without it?

It's pretty big, about 35 inches and I have no experience opening one up.

Is this any good? I'm not really a collector just got my old stuff from when I was a kid, figured it'd be nice to play it on the right kind of screen maybe hook up a VCR for when I go to sleep at night.

>>4664853
Doesn't seem worth it. Try to find a sony trinitron. I have a JVC d series with component input that I think looks really nice so I'd suggest that too.

Ideally you'd want something with component input so you can do scart to component for the best possible picture. Wii component emulation also looks great.

>>4664853
In terms of being a neato period correct retro hardware it's pretty sweet. In terms of image quality it's probably not great, most likely RF NTSC only, if you're lucky maybe composite.

>>4664583
pc monitor / 10

>>4664853
basically my dream set for 8-bit, I'd snag that in a second to replace my dying Trinitron.

>>4662915
Any PC CRT monitor can do 240p at 120Hz, but they are way too sharp than any professional monitor so you would prefer an ultrawide 480p + TVout/interlacing shader for adjustable blur and scanlines. You can make them look like any PVMeme or even better.

>>4665371
IPS monitor, it's a 10/10 actually.

>>4665410
>interlaced shader, adjustable blur and scanlines

OSSC though

>>4665536
No need for external crap with emulators

>>4664583
>reposting my picture from /emugen/

>>4665371
Indeed it is a PC CRT

>>4662915
They're good for emulation, provided they have good brightness. For consoles you'd need a line doubler or upscaler since they don't support 15KHz usually, and if they did it was only RGB.

Rescued from the recycling center this morning

Can somebody explain the difference between these two cables to me?

>https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-av-accessories/sony-pvm/sony-pvm-scart-converter
>https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-av-accessories/sony-pvm/SONY-PVM-2030-2530-SCART-ADAPTER-CABLE-LM1881-CSYNC

Which one do I need if I want to get RGB via SCART into my PVM-2530?

The picture is kinda shit but me and the m8 drove an hour to pick two of these babies up for free. This one works pretty great with good sound. Took a minute to get the color right tho. The other one won't show a picture but the screen flashes so there's hope for easy repair. I might turn it into an oscilloscope tho.

>>4665953
smartboi

>>4664853

I love the fucking aesthetic it has. That would look so good hooked to a wood grain atari or an nes. I'd snatch that up in a heartbeat but you just don't see that style of crt anymore.

>>4666374

One has CSYNC. For the price I'd get that one. Actually, scratch that. See if a 2530 takes csync (look in the manual). If it's Csync, get the 17.99 one, if it doesn't get the other one.

This is my Sony KV-27S42.

This is my second one.

>>4666085
what dbz release is that?

Shoop da whoop

NEC XP29, dont really know how to get good screen photos.

>>4666985
Looks like a decent shot to me.

>>4666949
Idk what that screen cap is but you wanna download the dragon box rips for the best quality

>>4667830
>not downloading Toonami VHS rips

So before this I was using a 14" CRT. I found this outside the house across the road from mine and the guy who lived there said I could just have it.

Do I do good /CRT/? I don't have the money for a PVM or similiar. Is there anything I should know about this TV?

>>4667896
Is that a widescreen? Might be a little weird using that. Of course, it could come in handy for things like watching netflix on the wii. So, it's not ideal but not useless either. Keep the 14" you were using and have both for different purposes.

>>4667917
I was just going to play games in 4:9/not widescreen. Will I come into any trouble?

>>4667863
>watching dubs
kill yourself

>>4667931
>listening to languages you don't understand and having text obscure the screen while believing you're superior
Kill yourself.

>>4667931
>>4667943
>>>/a/

How did I do /CRT/? It's a 14in Toshiba AF42.

>>4667896
Is that the WEGA meme?
It's honestly not really good
>Not good for 4:3 content
>Has extra digital processing aka input lag
>Weights a fucking ton and it's really awkward to handle

>>4668071
Why's it not good for 4:3 content?

>>4668071

How can I be sure there won't be digital processing? Some TVs have a noise reduction option, is that done digitally?

>>4668082
>>4668092
It's an HDTV
It's terrible for retro

>>4668101
I mean I played through Dragon Quest 3 on it a few months back and it didn't look that bad. Can you explain why it's not good?

>>4668118
Do I really need to explain on fucking /CRT/ why a widescreen HDTV is not good for retro games?

>>4668049
Toshiba AF series are fantastic TVs.

>>4668131
If you wouldn't mind.

>>4668131
>why a widescreen HDTV is not good for retro games?
It looks like a european model, and there were some widescreen SD sets released over there. You'd still have to deal with pillar boxing and the like, but it could display 240p/288p content just fine.

Without the model number, really can't say for sure.

>>4668207
I am in the UK. I'll be back with the model no. soon.

>>4668101
>>4668131
LS models are not HD.

It's a decent basic set tbqh.

>>4666949
It’s the Dragon Box Release

>>4667931
Original and Dub are both good.

>>4668329
Best release.

>>4667943
>Language you don't understand

That's what the fucking subs are for.

And nobody feels superior for watching Z in Japanese, they watch it because IT'S superior. This isn't even a weeb thing, the old Funimation dub was 4Kids tier at best.

Anyway back to CRT anyone know any good 14-18's with SCART or comp?

>>4666854
The manual doesn't say anything about CSYNC. There is a switch above the port for "sync on green" that can be turned on or off, but that's it.

My nan still uses a CRT as her only television.

I never thought much of it, but as I've gotten back into retro gaming and CRTs, I've remembered that the CRT she has is actually the original CRT I gamed on as a kid. My parents gave it to her a long time ago when we got our first flat screen tv.

Hardware-wise it's nothing special. It's a Matsui similar size and style to this pic (but the buttons are hidden behind a panel). I'm a Brit so it's SCART and possibly only capable of 50hz. Still though, I'd love to game on it again for it's sentimental/nostalgic value to me.

How do you guys recommend I get it back? I have a LCD flat screen I'd be happy to trade for it, but she's very resistant to change, probably won't want the hassle of getting a new one set up, and I don't know how I'd be able to explain to her why I want it. She probably thinks I shouldn't be playing videogames any more at my age.

>TL;DR - My nan has my original CRT from childhood - how do I convince her to trade it for my LCD?

Sorry I don't know the exact model number for those curious - I'll take a look next time I visit her.

>>4668815
just wait till the time passes her.

mate...get a fucking sony trinitron! we're in England! All our sets support RGB Scart, you pleb. scart shits on everything and all tv's after about 1990 support 60hz. if it has a scart input it supports 60hz. mod the 16bit pal consoles with the swtchless 60hz mod and buy the snes/megadrive scart cables. i dont know what you're playing but let me know and i'll advise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aFhzGEBQlk

>>4668815
Well, if you want to be quite nefarious all you have to do is go into the service mode while no one is looking and mess up the picture a bit. Then claim you'll see if you can "fix" it and take it home with you.

Sadly you will not be able to "fix" it, but you'll bring her a nice HDTV to replace it ;)

>>4668131
Yes, because I bet I can BTFO out of you rather easily when you spout some very predictable and short-sighted reasons.

>>4667896
You did very good, but I'll wait to explain why since I want to see this other anon hang himself.

>>4669074
The TV isn't a 15 kHz set. why would you play games that have to be upscaled and converted on a CRT? Might as well play on LCD

What's the big deal about SCART RGB? Most consoles don't even output RGB but composite and s-video.

>>4669181
Then it's good for 480p stuff, especially anamorphic content. Probably ideal for DVD players and not bad for a Wii either (although not with emulators that output 240p).

>>4669194
>Most consoles don't even output RGB but composite and s-video.
Turns out that they do. A few major ones don't (without some modding), but most do.

>>4669181
>The TV isn't a 15 kHz set
Are you talking HDCRTs in general or specifically the set posted in >>4667896
because that one is not HD in any way, shape or form.

>>4669194
this, the consoles I have are NES, SNES, N64, GC
3/4 don't do rgb (in the US)
fortunately, the nintendo s-video cord works for the multi-out ports
totally not worth it to me to take it further even though soldering is my other hobby

>>4669216
Out of the consoles I have, 5/6 do have RGB.

>>4669194
Most of them output RGB natively though. Only ones that don't are NES, N64 and pc-engine. It doesn't matter anyway because you can mod these to output rgb.

>>4669314
yeah but the pcbs for the mods cost more than the console itself

>>4669346
NES does, the others don't. not like it matters unless you're poor

>>4669354
wow everyone is on the rich/poor fag tonight
I could afford the hundred bucks but I don't feel like it's worth it. and they'd just be out of stock anyway. The video games "modding community" is always pretty sad.

>>4669181
>The TV isn't a 15 kHz set
15khz is not the only /vr/ resolution.
>Might as well play on LCD
Nope. An HDTV CRT is still a CRT and will have all the corresponding benefits in color, black levels, and response time.

I'll go ahead and explain the whole thing for >>4667896
There are a variety of reasons why a WEGA or other HDTV CRT (and in extension all HD CRTs) can be useful for retro gaming.

To start with re: 15khz. Well, plenty of PC games run in arbitrary resolutions up to 1920x1080.

Additionally, many people like to render their retro games at higher resolutions via emulation (for reasons we'll not get into, but accept that there are people who -do- do it). Notably people do this with PlayStation and Dreamcast games. But these people may still want the benefits of a CRT. An HDTV CRT is a good display for this sort of project. Not all HDTV CRTs are 16:9, btw.

Sony WEGA units are late stage CRTs that include a lot of advancements in CRT technology and they generally have excellent color reproduction, geometry, and a service mode that allows an amazing level of control over the final image. This is very appealing to me as a CRT and /vr/ nerd. If it's a 16:9 screen showing a 4:3 image there is also a small benefit of the centered image being sharper than it would be on a true 4:3 set due to the way CRTs naturally have softer focus in the corners.

If one is interested in utilizing RetroArch's shader functions then good results can be had with a HDTV CRT. 1920x1080i resolution gives you some space to work with to put a shader on that will make for an image that compares very favorably to the PVM/BVM photos that are posted here. Sadly, I don't have access to my own HDTVs anymore to showcase this myself. But the benefit over the PVM/BVM are the cheapness and commonness of HDTVs and the greater screen size in some cases.

If you happen to come across a 480p native EDTV you've pretty much got a 31khz arcade monitor on your hands. (cont)

>>4669365
Basically, if you are really into CRTs and /vr/ you want to have a HDTV CRT in your collection if you have the space for the more exotic tasks you might want to do with it. Want to play Ocarina of Time with the high res texture pack and high resolution rendering? This would be a good display choice for that sort of thing. With hacking you can even get 16:9 resolution in some games.

How about playing Doom 64 EX? An excellent port of Doom 64 to PC that again lets you choose higher resolution texture and rendering. It's meant to be played with mouse and keyboard, but some people may prefer a controller and a television for the couch experience.

There are also a great many modern /vr/ related releases that tend to do better on a HDTV or monitor. The new Capcom Collection coming out would probably be one of them. Sure, you can usually get these running on an SDTV but menus look like shit and sometimes you end up with the very stupid result of a letter-boxed 16:9 image that contains its own letter-boxed 4:3 image.

tl:dr HDTV crts have a place in your CRT family because you can do cool shit with them

>>4669215
Also I was speaking about the subject of HDTVs in general in the last two posts, not this specific one anon has asked about. You are probably correct that that particular one is an FD Trinitron digital TV. However, it would still be nice for different things. With tweaking you should be able to get a native 31khz image onto it.

>>4668049
Gomf

>>4669365
>>4669390
Autism.

Just picked up this lot of 4 PVMs from some dude on craigslist for $800 USD.

>>4669365
>If you happen to come across a 480p native EDTV you've pretty much got a 31khz arcade monitor on your hands. (cont)
I mean, aside from the fact that you're really not gonna find ED/HDCRT TVs that are 480p native, only 1080i (540p), and the fact that you still get stuck with at least 2 frames of delay (on Sonys at least), sure.

The HDCRTs, particularly the SFP can be quite nice, especially for just video content, but their uses for gaming are a bit more limited.

>>4669576
This is the CRT thread, it's supposed to be autistic.

>>4669616
>The HDCRTs, particularly the SFP can be quite nice, especially for just video content, but their uses for gaming are a bit more limited.
Other than all the uses I just listed.

>>4669634
I wasn't particularly contesting them, only that they're much more limited in what you can use with them and get good results than many other CRTs.

That said, several of those uses would be done better by a PC monitor with the biggest benefit to the HD sets being size; Which, admittedly, is certainly a big point of consideration on choosing a set to use. I have a 27'' Hi-Scan model myself, and I regret missing out on a 30 or 34'' SFP XS set a couple years ago.

>>4669606
those aren't pvms

>>4669026
>mod console for 60hz
>tv supports 60hz
>games locked at 50hz with boarders
How fucking stupid are palfags?

>>4669952
>what is megakey
>what is hotswitch
>what are region free mods

>>4669952
>boarder

>>4661647
do PVMs have a built in service mode?

>>4670113
Most of them. You might be able to find yours by googling hard, you'll probably need to look through a manual pdf.

Any idea what power supplies I can use without frying the TV?

>>4669606
I remember those, I even had one. I never understood what they were supposed to do though. It was a dumb gimmick.

>>4670256

>>4670256
It's the same connector that is used in some Sony Vaio laptops.

>>4670387
You might be able to get a universal laptop charger that has this plug.
I was able to play some NES in my own car with this.

>>4662212
Later CRTs might support a larger resolution or aspect ratio change, which could mean delay or incompatibility with light gun games... To keep it simple that is about it.

Scart doesn't always mean good. It could be shit non rgb scart. This is a tv by tv thing to research you have to do. Get a CRT 20 inches if you can. Best size for most older stuff without being too big (lower quality) or small (can't see shit)

>>4665465
Even the best IPS have blur with 60hz content. PC CRT would be best.

>>4668510
Fuck you. Subs are for autistics that try and get 14-18s with scart that like reading anime. Just go read the manga if you want to read that bad

>>4662915
They're great for the Dreamcast and the other few retro projects you might like that have VGA support, but not great for much else.

>>4670424
>non rgb scart
literally winning the lottery probability.

>>4670468
This.

If it only has a single SCART, it WILL accept RGB. Secondary inputs, intended for connecting VCRs and suchlike, may well not but be limited to composite and sometimes s-video. However those are vanishingly rare on any set smaller than 20".

>>4670387
>>4670402
Just use any figure 8 cable in the input on the right. The left one is for DC input, from a car battery or similar, and the right is for standard AC.

>>4670525
You new to SCART? There are a mess of older SCART EU tvs with nothing but shit compo.

>>4670525
No. I clearly remember my old 13" being composite only on SCART.
Scart was mandatory, but being fully wired for RGB was not. The only way to be sure is check a product sheet, or look at the schematics.

>>4670576
You're the one who doesn't seem to understand, if the signal requires a 21 pin SCART then it's RGB. I had an old VHS with SCART only output and it couldn't output on the composite only 10 pin cable. Even though the VHS outputs a shitty image it's still "RGB"

>>4670606
The fuck you're on, composite uses pin 19 and 20 for output and input.
VCRs have to use these pins since it's the only way to make two-way communication possible with a single cable.

>>4670576
>You new to SCART?
you are, obviously.

>>4670584
you had a bad cable that was missing pin16 voltage for RGB

>>4670606
vhs decks never outputed rgb.
dvd players did.

>>4670623
>official PSX cable that would work perfectly on a Sanyo set, but not on my Waltham TV in my room.
Face it, a SCART socket doesn't equal RGB, and it was pretty common on low-end TVs.

>>4670634
congrats, you won the lottery

>>4670576
>There are a mess of older SCART EU tvs with nothing but shit compo.
All euro TVs are scart rgb
uk is not euro (was not fully, and won't be at all soon anyway)

>>4661787

Good to see again

>>4669365
>Color
wtf is this 2008? Even cheap lcd has better colors now.
>Black levels
lol
>Response time
Some HD CRTs have 1-2 frames of delay. Some even more. Most tvs have less than that and a majority of even shit monitors have 9-16ms.

>Purity
>Luma
>Jungle IC
>OSD
>uF
>oHM
So where do I start if I want to not be retarded & know what all these CRT repair terms mean? I feel like a god damn caveman looking at that RGB modding thread on the shmups16 forums. Is there like a youtube series guide that I can follow, or some books I can read, or what?

>>4670893
It is crazy that some people think CRT blacks are good. The tube/grille itself is discolored and not even fucking close to black.

>>4670895
"Luma" means the part of the signal that determines how bright each point is. If you send only the luma signal to your display, you see a grayscale version of the image. Try plugging in only the green wire of YPrPb for example.

"OSD" is just "on-screen display." The volume bar and the settings menu of your TV are examples of OSD. Sometimes people hack the OSD to mod North American TVs for RGB inputs.

"uF" is probably µF, which means microfarads. It's a unit of capacitance. If you are changing out bad capacitors, you want to use new ones with the same polarity and capacitance (so you need to know how many µF they are), and equal or higher voltage tolerance. Similarly Ohms are just the basic unit of resistance.

I don't know about the other stuff.

>>4670919
>capacitance
So...I know a capaciTOR, is one of those batteries on a board that leaks over time & needs to be replaced on lots of old electronics. What exactly is capacitance? Is that the amount of voltage, electricity, or what?

>>4670895
>>4670919
Purity is exactly what is sounds like; How pure the colors are on the screen. In context, if you display a full white signal, it looks absolutely white without any small dark splotches. It's caused by the electron beam lighting up the wrong phosphors.

The Jungle IC is an IC (integrated circuit) that takes in various signals (including video signals of all types, audio, and others) and properly processes them for use. In context of RGB mods, jungle ICs tend to have an RGB input on them which is used by the OSD; You can hijack this for use with game consoles and the like.

>>4670976
If all of this is available on certain units, why was it never commercially accessible? Too much money to make the extra outputs? Did they think nobody would use them? Was that relegated to professional use only so they could jack up the price towards television companies with their PVM lines instead? If so it's funny that that was there all along. Some of those PVMs were in the thousands of dollars range. If people had only known how to mod consumer sets like this earlier I wonder if people would have gone that route in the 90's. Was these just no info on this back then? So many questions.

>>4670985
Jungle ICs are just the "simple" way to go about building sets after a certain point, rather than work out discrete circuits for every single one.

The questions you're asking aren't ones that should be explicitly aimed at the ICs, rather RGB itself. In the US, there just wasn't much of a need for RGB since Composite "just werked". S-Video eventually came along and got used, but for cheap sets, there just wasn't any point in adding the additional supporting components to make use of them from a cost perspective.

In Europe, RGB was a thing and available without modding; Their sets, with RGB, also tend to have more than one RGB input on the jungle IC or additional circuitry to allow the two to be mixed together.

>>4670940
>a capaciTOR, is one of those batteries on a board that leaks over time
No, you don't know what a capacitor is. You need an introductory course on circuits, which is a little out of the scope of this thread.

>What exactly is capacitance? Is that the amount of voltage, electricity, or what?
Yeah, you are really in trouble with your fundamentals here. The "flow of water" analogy for electricity can take us up to a point, but it won't help you understand signals (at all, may even make them harder to understand since there is nothing comparable in fluid dynamics) which is mostly what capacitors are used for.

The first quantities you need to understand are voltage and current. In the fluids analogy, voltage is like the water pressure and current is just the current (i.e., amount of water flowing through a section of pipe or whatever per unit of time). The total power is the product of the current and the voltage. If you have voltage V in Volts and current I in Amps, the power in Watts is V*I. A resistor is like a narrow pipe that is hard for the water to flow through. At the other end of a narrow pipe like that, the water pressure is lower. "Across" a resistor, the voltage drops. A capacitor is like a little bucket that can fill up with water. As the bucket fills up, the pressure at the bottom increases. As a capacitor fills up with charge (what is charge? Charge the thing that is flowing in the current), the voltage drop across the capacitor increases. Eventually it won't fill up any more because all the voltage drops across it. But then, if you poke a hole in the bottom, water will flow out of the bucket, fast at first (high pressure) and eventually slowing to a trickle, as the water level in the bucket goes down. That's probably why you think of a capacitor as a "little battery," but it's very unlike a battery because the voltage is changing constantly.

This is probably not helping you. Find a video, it's much easier to understand with visual aids.

>>4670904
>It is crazy that some people think CRT blacks are good.
Because they are. It's crazy to me that some people think LCD blacks are good.

>>4670895
>purity
not that important until it becomes an issue for you. don't worry about it.
>luma
also not that important
>jungle IC
10x less relevant than the previous two terms. If you are at the point where the individual jungle IC characteristics matter to you you're in the deep end of the CRT hobby
>OSD
on-screen display, that's all there is to know about that
>uF
not something you need to know about at the start, or even in the middle, or ever at all unless you get super-duper autistic about this
>oHM
screen looks weird? flip the oHM switch on the back of your monitor and see if that helps. That's all you need to know about this in reference to CRTs at the start.

Just saved this 480i XBR from the trash. Guy I saved it from said he hasn't powered it on in 10 years. Plan to use it as my light gun setup. Looks real real sharp with the limited testing i've done on it.

Think i'm gonna tackle replacing all the caps in it

>>4664753
Is scart to component better than just straight up component?

>>4670904
>The tube/grille itself is discolored and not even fucking close to black.
That's... not even relevant. Example:

>darkened room with CRT
>90% black screen is displayed
>CRT simply shuts off SEGs, no visible light is emitted from the screen in places it should not be

>darkened room with LCD
>90% black screen is displayed
>backlight bleed is visible in corners, on lower-tech LCDs the whole screen is dark grey

The blackness of the unlit screen isn't even something that gets measured. I suppose in a brightly lit room you will notice an older CRT that has a grey unlit screen, but the same is true of LCDs. No display is a black hole lol

>>4671382
>no visible light is emitted from the screen in places it should not be
One caveat: CRT phosphor glow. The phosphor on the inside of the CRT is phosphoric (wow, really?) and if you sit in a totally pitch black room for several minutes with a powered-off CRT and let your eyes adjust you will notice a faint glow coming from the screen.

>>4662887
>>4663994
paid 200 and drove an hour and half out for my consumer CRT

>>4671424
What

>>4671352
no but older consoles only output RGB

>>4671269
looks like shit desu but that might just be because I last played the superior looking gamecube version

>>4671427
call me a crt cuck go on

>>4662887
Depends

>>4663994
I'd pay $300 for certain models without even thinking twice about it.

>>4671013
Would this be a good place to start?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIT4ra6Mo0s&list=PL926EC0F1F93C1837

>>4670584
SCART with RGB was mandatory in France, most other places that required SCART didn't specify that though. France kinda needed it since SECAM encoding is expensive, so things like the french NES were PAL internally into a PAL to RGB decoder.

Why are crt TV's so expensive on sites like eBay, but are dirt cheap at thrift stores?

>>4671702
Because shipping large, fragile, heavy-ass items such as CRT TVs via post/courier ain't cheap. Even then it probably won't be worth it because your CRT got damaged during shipping.

>>4671707

Makes sense, now next question, has anyone tried hooking up a computer, specifically a laptop, to a CRT via hdmi to rca cable to emulate on? I see Walmart has one on their site, but that sounds too good to actually work properly.

>>4671702
shipping fragile heavy lightbulbs is expensive.

>>4671702
You mean PVMs are expensive on ebay. Many other CRTs are still very inexpensive.

But overall the reason is ebayers know what they are selling, while a thrift store just sells CRTs for a generic price.

>>4671714
>hdmi to rca cable

I'd say your laptop needs to be able to output composite/component video over the hdmi out for that to work. If it can it's likely it just squashes the video into 640x480, 1280x720, or 1920x1080 without regard for preserving native resolution. It would work but it wouldn't be optimal. If you just want to play some vidya it's fine.

>>4671735

What's a PVM?

>>4671740

Thanks for the advice, anon. What about emulating off a Wii? Would that be better as it's already outputting for composite?

>>4671424

>>4671661
For which consumer sets? I think my XP29 was about that price and my Ikegami was maybe half that.

>>4671763
I didn't say consumer sets. That was a different anon. I would pay $300 for several of the multisync NEC and Mitsus. Especially if they were in top condition. These things are getting harder and harder to come by. I had to give my old ones up in a move a few years ago and the window to replace them is getting smaller all the time. If a good one shows up locally for $300 and I have the cash at the time I'll be on it.

>>4671746
>What about emulating off a Wii? Would that be better as it's already outputting for composite?
Far superior.

>>4671746
>What's a PVM?
check the Guide to Video Monitors in the OP

>>4671778
Oops, fuck. Yeah, I was mixed up and thought you were referring to consumer sets.

>>4671789
shadow mask > all

>all these mini console shit emulation devices lately

I'm calling it now, we'll see Sony releasing a PVM-mini in our lifetime. It'll be an LCD screen in an oversized case running some kind of hardware CRT shader.

>>4671879
Doubtful.

Sony wouldn't be that crass.

>>4669927
no, they're even better

>>4671671
No, that is an ancient soldering tutorial. I mean you need to learn about things like Ohm's law, RLC circuits, serial and parallel circuits, etc.

>>4671671
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Sb21qbpEQ

>>4672342
Why are you posting soldering tutorials?

I found this on the side of the road rip trinitrotoluene

>>4672542
Each year I run across five or six behemoth CRTs like this of some premium lineage. Sitting out in the rain going to ruin. Fucking depressing.

>>4672712
They were all composite signals

>>4670525
>If it only has a single SCART, it WILL accept RG-

>>4672826
And?

Are you one of those horrible people who think televisions with "only composite" are worthless?

And that one in the photo clearly has an S-video input, and probably component in the back.

>>4673018
>when it's not scart but it's used to shitpost
someone post RCA pasta

Fellas...he's selling this shit for $100

>>4673031
It is scart, it uses the scart interface, it's just not rgb-scart

Is there any point in playing games in 2048x1536 on a 19" monitor?

>>4672826
>Only composite

Fucking svideo right on the front. That model has component too.

>>4661787
I love when people try this hard to make a joke, a terrible obvious shit post, yet others save it as if it is real. FFS you dumbass.

>>4661945
I have one and they suck. Take RGBHV nothing less and it’s screen goes blank very two hours. There’s a reason they’ve been up for sale for so long. They do NOT budge on the price either.

>>4664013

if it has HDMI inputs then it lags

>>4673037
It's an EIA knock-off.

>>4673031
>tfw when OCd that pasta but am phoneposting

Since CRTs have mostly dried up in auctions I look for stuff like this now:

https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=294&acctid=6412

Pioneer PDP-503CMX. A 50" 1280x768 plasma monitor.

http://global.pioneer/en/news/press/index/1445/

What is it good for? I don't know. I think it might have very good contrast. But now is the time to be thinking about the next generation of professional grade monitors being sold on the surplus and auction market.

>>4673540
Non square pixels, oddball resolution, likely has burn in if it was used for its intended purpose, contrast may be shit if it's just kept bumping up the drive to maintain decent brightness.

It's not really a professional monitor.

Do you any of you have a CRT with an aux in for plugging in your headphones?

>>4673874
It's hard to see, but the one in the OP does.

>>4673805
>3rd gen Plasma
Nope. Earliest I would go is 7th gen.

Also it's being sold by a Tennessee police dept. Enjoy some hillbilly methhead's mugshot being permanently burned into the screen lol.

A dude is selling me a flat screen Samsung CRT for $35, are Samsungs a good choice?

>>4674238
I know their LCDs are hot garbage. Not sure about CRTs.

>>4674238
Their CRT monitors were nice, so that's good too probably

>>4674238
samsung pc monitor are usually ok, consumer ones, not so much...

>>4673680
Yeah, that explains why they are still for sale despite the keyword stuffing. Oh well, at least I know I'm not missing anything.

>>4673874
Both of my CRTs do, but it's an output not an input. Nothing would happen if you plugged headphones into an input.

>>4674238
The flat "Slim Fit" Samsungs are pretty trash.

>>4673874
Mine does, Toshiba 14AF45

Component and RGB SCART are not directly compatible right?

How big is too big for CRT? An elderly relative offered to give me a pretty nice looking widescreen that at a glance i'd say is 28 inches. I already have a pretty nice 21 inch 4/3 display and want a widescreen.

>>4674446
>How big is too big for CRT?
No such thing.

>>4674446

If you can't carry it it's too big.

>>4674491
>>4674494
I want to play in tate mode. A CRT that size would probably damage itself being kept on its side.
I was under the impression bigger CRTs have lower quality

>>4674503
>I was under the impression bigger CRTs have lower quality
You're somewhat right. The bigger the screen size, the less sharp the image is due to lower pixel density.

>>4674503
>A CRT that size would probably damage itself being kept on its side.
nah

>>4674609
I'v definitely read somewhere that some CRTs get damaged by being kept sideways. Although I'v had my doubts.

>>4674503
>A CRT that size would probably damage itself being kept on its side.
I mean...

It would all depend on the specific model. A lot of consumer stuff is only properly supported when in the normal position, so putting them into tate can be a bit ehhhh.

>>4674623
It is true. Some people just cover their eyes and ears when they hear stuff they don't agree with.

Plenty of CRTs around the electron emitters have their only support there. The support is from the bottom up and screwed to the emitter casing. When sideways the screw would definitely help keep it in place, but there is no support sideways/upside down at all except a machine screw. The focusing/deflection coil and further down usually only have under support as well, but nothing keeping them held down.

>>4674682
is there asciiart for flipping the (mitsu) crt ?

>>4674609
Dude, some 36 inch CRTs will damage them selves on their own base as they were intended. These plastics do not hold up to the test of time. Once you get a TV that weighs over a hundred pounds you're going to start to come into trouble.

How hard is it to replace a horizontal width coil? :(

>>4674682
That Mitsubishi looks like a tank. I guess I'm going to need another CRT just for tate games.

My 13" Mono, Coax input only Sanyo CRT that I played everything on in middle and high school from 96 to 2000. Final fantasy 7, Earthbound, Zelda Oot, Xenogears, 4 player Mario Kart 64 and Smash Bros were all played on this. Could I go back I wouldn't change a thing even though I'm using a PVM now.

How bad is it for a CRT to leave it on for an extended period, for the purposes of display? Like in an arcade cabinet running a demo for example?

>>4675562
Depends on how long you leave it running. For a day or two it won't matter, but look at any dedicated arcade cab monitor and you'll quickly see why you dknt want to have it running the same image day in and day out.

>>4675569
Also depends how you're using it. Static areas such as text with the contrast cranked up like an arcade machine can get noticeable burn in weeks, moving video with sensible settings and it'll last a long time.

>>4671269
Looks great holmes, big thick scanlines. Bonus points for owning Radiata Stories

>>4675108
I used to play Mega Drive and PS1 games on a 14" but find anything less than 20" unplayable nowadays
Modern huge TVs and 15" laptop screens that are too close to your face have ruined me.

Hey /CRT/
I have an NTSC SNES but I live in Europe now and I'm having some issues using it with PAL monitors. Specifically it looks really washed out and has noticeable flickering.

Long story short, I'm using a consumer Sony Trinitron (RGB SCART connected) which works fine for other consoles and movies, so it's not the monitor. It's probably not the SNES so I'm pretty sure it's the power supply. I'm just using a voltage converter with the original NTSC power cable; is this the wrong way to do it? How should I supply power to an NTSC SNES in PAL region?

>>4663356
Sorry for late response. I've got an Elgato capture card I'm trying to record gameplay off of my esa brand CRT, but anything involving signal data is a bit foreign to me. For converting and capturing CRT signals do converters need to be specific? I have another CRT I may be switching to using as my primary, which is why I ask.

>>4676259
Why are you trying to capture OFF your CRT?

Just split the signal at source and capture from that.

>>4673874
I have a portable 9 inch sony CRT with a headphone jack. KV-9PT50

>>4671862
correct

>>4676382
>take clear picture of shadowmask
>take blurry, unfocused picture of aperture grille
>????
>PROFIT

>>4676382
but i can see raymon better in the aperture grill... shadowmask is all pixelshit

>>4676392
That's really how it looks like on my monitor, too.

Got this little beast on Monday, the Sony KV-6PR1, maybe one of the smallest color Trinitrons Sony made. Only sold in Japan despite being manufactured at the factory in Mexico.

youtubers ruin everything, look at this listing on gumtree

Anyone have experience with the Panasonic CT-27SL14J?

It's a flat 480i CRT and I don't have much experience with that kind of screen.

There's one up for grabs about 3 miles from where I live.

>>4676454
>a soap box for the average idiot to share their stupid opinions with even bigger idiots is ruining things
Where did we go wrong?

>>4676467
dunno how it is in euro land or merica but here in queensland australia most CRTs are literal garbage, and the only good ones are priced very highly and have """""""le retro"""""" tags on them

>>4676469
>most CRTs are literal garbage
Well, they're not literal garbage in the sense that you can still find a lot of late-model CRTs in good shape with minimal useage. Definitely worth a few bucks. The problem is that every dipshit looks at a CRT now and thinks it's a goldmine, and hey, if some retard shells out the cash for one, then I guess they were right.

>>4676476
as in, most listed on gumtree in australia

>>4676439
Sony definitely did some 4" colour sets.

Nothing comes close to Matsushita's offering though...

>>4676454
I got that model off the side of the road, and it's not the first time I had seen one

>>4676454
>paying top dollar for consumer sets
>not already having a consumer CRT from back when they were relevant
>not just getting one for free or next to free from a friend, garage sale, secondhand store, etc
Have things really gotten so bad that those who are extremely late to the party are having to pay prices once reserved for quality professional sets in order to get consumer models?

>>4668815
If any CRT will do then hit up Gumtree, Craigslist, Freecycle, and Facebook Market man
For some reason in the UK there's little retro demand for CRTs, people just chuck them

I picked up a 30" Trinitron last week from this dear sweet old couple who still used it as their TV but just couldn't lift the damn thing to clean around it or decorate anymore
So they just listed it free to a good home on FB Marketplace

Does she still do her own cleaning? Try the "too heavy to move" excuse

>>4676439
Is Yume Penguin Monogatari good?

Thoughts on standard def projectors for old games? I'm not too familiar with them or replacing bulbs and whatnot.

So... i have Trinitron KV-29FS13 with a purple corner, and overall it looks like colors are missaligned, asked a guy who fixes electroncis and he said it needs to be calibrated, so question is...

How hard is it to calibrate a CRT? i fix computers and im familiar with opening up electronics so i know thw risks of working on a CRT, but how difficult could it be for me to calibrate this screen? ive watched a cople videos and i think what mine has is the convergence messed up, so its a matter of adjusting the yoke until that purple corner is fixed, then aligning the 3 color guns.

I even have the service manual but no OEM remote so i dont know how to put a test screen on the TV to calibrate it.

Any ideas?

>>4677007
Later Sony TVs have a very good service menu, and you can do most of the basic stuff there. If I remember correctly, there is a convergence setting page, but it's not all that detailed. You may be able to fix most of it through the menu, but you'll need an OEM remote and to look up the code to unlock the menu.

That said, I've had purple corners from moving CRTs around a couple times or sitting a speaker next to one for too long, and they've gone away pretty quickly from a few strong degausses.

>>4677056
Neighbour said it was in his attic for years, unused and i saved it from the dumpster, ive been using this TV for a few weeks, playing maybe 10-15 hours a week, and that damn purple corner isnt even shrinking, also i don notice the usual degaussing sound when i turn it on, maybe these sets arent as loud as i remember or its not working properly.

So pretty much im fucked without the OEM remote... that guy said hell charge me $20 for calibrating, i guess i better hand it over to him.

>>4677072
$20 isn't bad in the slightest, especially for how good a set like that is. I'd recommend doing it anyway if the guy knows what he's doing. Might also need a nice degauss if the coil in it isn't working right.

>>4670634
checkmate

>>4677072
pretty much any sony remote will work. they are cheap on eBay or at thrift stores. just needs a display and menu button

Recently got SCART running from the SNES to the Sony 27FS320. Looks awesome.

>>4676513
not trinitron though

>>4676728
Do you like 8-bit era Konami games? Then yes. It's a cute platformer with a fun twist and some surprisingly hard game play in parts.

>>4677629
Okay...

3.7"

>>4676382
Holy shit. Why? I though Aperture was supposed to be better in all situations.

>>4679225
next you'll say sony is the best brand

>>4661647
What combination of buttons will get me s video?

>>4679419

>>4679258

>>4679225
Aperture grille is just supposed to be brighter, since there is less light being blocked than with a shadow mask. They aren't inherently sharper than shadow mask in terms of horizontal resolution.

>>4673881
i have 2 diff versions of this tv. i have been trying to sell them off, had to finally get a storage unit.

>>4679683
What do you mean different versions, and do you mean the GXTV?

You've got me curious.

Just unearthed my old CRT today and was surprised to see that it has component input. Any cool stuff I can do with that? Do Wii component cables make a significant difference with emulation?

What’s wrong with the borders on the right unit?

>>4679425
Line, A or B, whichever one the S-video connector is next to on the back.

>>4679914
Nothing, it's just the size adjusted differently.

>>4679727
yes 2 versions of the samsung GX, one with red light showing power on, one without. there are probably other things an expert would.

>>4680067
Where are you located?

>>4679914
Batter question: What wrong with you?

>>4661980
It ain't just about the size of the display, it's also about how good the display is. Big ones usually have too low a number of TV Lines so even though it's a bigger picture it might not be as clear and crisp as it should be. It's comparable to pixel density in modern displays, a 1080p computer monitor with a low density will looks like shit compared to one that's the same size/resolution but with a higher density.
PVMs and non-Sony equivalents are actually pretty bad once you go past a certain screen size compared to commercial TVs which are okay even at 20"+

>>4662212
Just have the audio routed over to some external speakers. It's not a monitor but fuck it even the new shitty logitech ones are better speakers compared to what the vast majority of yesteryear televisions have built in.

>used to browse /crt/ in the early days of /vr/
>fell out of videophile stuff and retro altogether
>got the itch to get back into it recently
>go to my local craigslist to see if any good finds are available

>>4673050
nes rf is comfy. takes me back to being a poor kid getting a nes while the snes was near the end of its life.

>>4680315
Just go to thrift stores, you're bound to find a component consumer crt eventually. I gave up and just bought a huge 35' component crt since I didn't want anything less.

Old asian woman at the thrift was rude and pretty much wanted me to leave as quickly as I came and I had no help with loading the damn thing into my tiny car.

>>4680350

I've already got a Trinitron from 2004. But you never know what you might find on cragslist.

>Get a 27" Trintron off a guy locally for cheap
>Hauling the big thing out of the back of my car and up to my house
>Foot slips on the step up to my door
>Basically drop the thing but try and minimize the fall
>Small corner piece of plastic chips off near the bottom
>Fuck I fucked it up
>Pick it back up and lug it the rest of the way in
>Plug it up
>Mfw it still works
And the damage isn't even visible when it's sitting flat

Can /crt/ tell me anything about this one? I can't even remember when we got it, it's just... There. It doesn't even seems to have anything special, only a RGB Scart connection, and that's it.

Can't find Info about this model anywhere

Being an Australian makes finding any crt, let alone a good one nigh impossible.

>>4680626
Looks kinda sexy

>>4680626
My gran had this very model for years. Eventually got rid of it because the speakers kept breaking.

I don't remember it being very good, but then I never had RGB SCART.

>>4680768
Yeah, mine's speakers are almost dead, but i have a tendency to wait until things break completely.

Image quality it's nice, that's for sure.

>>4680626
LG has made some oddball sets over the years, that's for sure.

>>4661979
>>4661945
I encountered a PGM-2710
I recall the picture being fantastic.

I couldn't buy it at the time, unfortunately

>>4677792
I got one of those at a yard sale many years ago, and I fucking broke it like an idiot by plugging it into a power adapter with the wrong polarity.
I have been searching and searching for service manuals in case it can be fixed (maybe there is just a fuse I can replace or something), but I have never been able to find anything useful. I'll probably never be able to put all the pieces back together properly anyway.

I remember when it still worked though, it was a beautiful little set. I'd love to have it on my desk again.

>>4680436
>Basically drop the thing but try and minimize the fall
Maybe you mean that you "tried TO minimize the fall." You did one thing, you tried to minimize something. You did not "try" (which makes little sense on its own anyway) and in addition to trying also minimize something.

>>4681482
kills you're self

>>4681494
Someday I will, but you sound like a four year old when you talk that way

>>4681482
My mistake, thanks. >>4681494 isn't me, I'm actually an autist about English so I enjoy any corrections to my bad grammar.

>>4674623
>>4674609
>>4674503
Use a system of mirrors to position the picture just right

>>4681526
You mean like a porroprism?

Top idea, anon!

How do I adjust CRT resolution? Is it commonly a menu option or do I have to crack it open and screw around?

>>4681559
Resolution is set by whatever device is sending the video signal.

>>4681621
So there's nothing that can be done for pixel density if you have a set with a larger screen? I've seen videos of people tuning the size of the display but it looked like it was on older models with knobs for it.

>>4681961
??????

>>4681961
you probably mean screen area or more generally image geometry.
On consumers you usually have limited adjustments, older set have pots, newer might have a hidden menu.
Video monitors and PC monitors have a much wider range of adjustments, readily accessible as well

>>4680626
looks pretty rad

>>4681961
is it a monitor or television?

>>4662970
What TV?
Reminds my old Toshiba

Hey fellas. I have a Trinitron that turns on and stays in standby. Any ideas?

My grandfather died and left an EDTV CRT behind.

Are they any good? Do they display 240p properly?

>>4682216
post ref and brand

>>4682049
See the OP and >>4673881

It's the Samsung GXTV.

>>4682223
Don't have it with me, his house is in another state. I'm visiting in two weeks.

It was a Sony though.

Got my new CRT today after years of not owning one, played ALTTP on it for a little bit and it felt like my eyes were starting to hurt. Is this normal or what? I've had perfect vision my whole life and gamed on CRTs a lot when I was younger, they don't damage your eyesight do they?

>>4681515
My bossy grandmother always lectured me about that particular one, so I'm very sensitive to it. You couldn't even watch TV with her; whenever somebody said "try and..." she'd mute it and go into a spiel about verbs.

>>4682228
it's most probably an HDTV then.

>>4682136
look up sony blink codes.

>>4682269
don't sit too close too one
don't play in a dark room
use s-video or rgb

tfw peep shadow mask master race

>>4682318
>don't play in a dark room
Guess this is where I'm guilty, couldn't help myself

>>4682301
Looks like a blown fuse

>>4682347
You can't post here.

>>4682269
Eye burn is normal and good for you.

>>4682318
I sit really close in a pitch black room and my eyes never hurt. I use component or s-video exclusively though.

>>4682525
like hell I can't! get assblasted choco grille fag

What's /vr/'s cutoff date for CRT TV's? I have a 1998 Phillips Magnavox 19PS54 C125 and it has nice picture quality on a Genesis with composite. It's bezel rounds the edges out a fair bit but I looks pretty damn good for composite.

>>4661945
I hate when people sell "retro" on Craigslist. Most of them act like dicks and say that others will pay more. But those "others" live in different areas that are hours to states away.

>>4683875
I think that seller is actually liquidating a video production shop or something, not an individual reseller/collector.

>>4676454
Worest enough those youtube watching retards think they know all about this or that because they watched about it on YouTube.

How does this look? Pretty generic right

>>4683980

>>4683296
I've also got a magnetbox thats actually a phillips. 25 inch from late nineties. Composite is SO GOOD on it, I don't know how, but it is.

I got a PVM and compared them, and the magnavox is almost the same.

>>4682525
Shadowmasks are undeniably superior provided they arent slot masks.

Why am I getting this weird red and blue gradient at the bottom of my screen?

How can I test my refresh rate or set it higher?

Do any anons have the configuration software for extron switchers? They want me to be an "insider" to access the software. Surely somebody has it?

>>4684790
Your TV is gay and wants to come out.

>>4684001
Does this monitor have shadow mask I honestly can't tell. Am stupid with crts

>>4684790
convergence error. May be able to improve it through adjustment, but you're never going to get it perfect, especially on a wega.

>>4684815
By setting a custom resolution.

>>4685054
Looks like it's probably a slot mask. Need a picture with decent resolution to be sure.

>>4683296
We talk about TVs right up to the end, the pvmemes and wegas and everything silver were still around to the mid-late 00s

Are there any 720p+ CRT TVs above 30 inches that don't have any digital processing bullshit?

I have plenty of 20" PC monitors but I'm wondering about larger screen TV's.

>>4685179
BVM D32 or projectors.

>>4685160
Original poster, here

Made RGB cables for Master System. Looks pretty good until the next pic...

The top 1/4 of the screen had crazy wavy geometry. These cables work flawlessly with my Genesis. Arrrggh.

>>4685330
Maybe try tweaking the H.Sync.

So turns out my 27" has a refresh rate of 140hz, it's a Trinitron KV27S42. That's pretty good right? Also, why do CRTs still have less input lag than an LCD monitor with a comparable or greater refresh rate?

>>4685330
it's a known flaw with sms, pce, neogeo and some monitors.

>>4685502
Analogue video out from game console transitions better to an analogue display. Compared to a digital display that has a different method of drawing pixels. Especially from an analogue signal, more processing, like scaling, has to be done which just delays the time it takes to go on screen.
You'd get a similar effect from trying to convert an HD hdmi signal to component on an SD crt.

>mfw scored a PVM-1454QM from gumtree back in late 2013 for 50 bucks when I was 18/19 years old
>mfw got in before e-celebs drove the prices back up to what the monitors actually used to cost when new
>mfw 240p over RGB
It's a great fucking monitor. My only gripe is that I would have preferred a 20" model and I don't think it does 480p but I still feel lucky that I got in on this before the whole market on pvm/bvm's blew up. My dad and my uncle called me an absolute madman BUT WHO'S LAUGHING NOW.

Also, I have most of my 240p consoles hooked up over scart to bnc. What is the most convenient way to also be able to hook up my component consoles without having to take all the bnc adapters off.

>mfw scored a PVM-1454QM from gumtree back in late 2013 for 50 bucks when I was 18/19 years old
>mfw got in before e-celebs drove the prices back up to what the monitors actually used to cost when new
>mfw 240p over RGB
It's a great fucking monitor. My only gripe is that I would have preferred a 20" model and I don't think it does 480p but I still feel lucky that I got in on this before the whole market on pvm/bvm's blew up. My dad and my uncle called me an absolute madman BUT WHO'S LAUGHING NOW.

Also, I have most of my 240p consoles hooked up over scart to bnc. What is the most convenient way to also be able to hook up my component consoles without having to take all the bnc adapters off.

>>4685552
>You'd get a similar effect from trying to convert an HD hdmi signal to component on an SD crt.
Really? I was considering doing that, I figured there are some modern games that would look really nice ran through a CRT. Is it a bad idea then?

>>4685564
I keep hearing ecelebs inflated the prices to hell and back but which ones? What ecelebs out there are shilling CRT displays of all things?

>>4685596
Unless you have a CRT model that can support at least 720p, you probably wont get a signal at all. If you did get one, all the digital to analogue conversion + downscaling from whatever adaptor you get will introduce a lot of lag. If the console supports analogue out natively, like a PS3 or 360 you'll have 480i support. From what I know, a lot of common CRT don't support 480p. Meaning a PS4 or a Switch, that don't support 480i will rely on more processing in the adaptor. Converting a progressive signal to interlaced has its own set of problems.

>>4685626
forgot pic

>>4685609
While I do enjoy their channel, My Life in Gaming probably didn't help with how much they've talked up PVM's in recent years.

It's not really a result of peoples obnoxious shilling, it's more that there was a collective reexamining of these kinds of high end monitors around 2013/14 and onwards. Before that, these high end monitors were literally grouped together with any other old crt - seen as junk. With only people who used to actually deal with these monitors and high end video gear appreciating what what they had. It sounds like i'm embelishing the last 15 years but towards 2010, places like hospitals, airports and broadcasting companies literally sold tens or hundreds of these things for sometimes as little as 50-100 bucks each. And I'm talking high end 800+ lines 20" BVMs, Because that's what they were valued at.

It's the same as any other vintage gear from 20th century. Just because technology gets better, doesn't mean that it necessarily makes the previous technology completely obsolete. Vinyl records is a similar thing where vintage technics/sony/whatever turntables go for hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Cartridges are sometimes valued at thousands of dollars. Of course there are diminishing returns, and convenience will always be the factor that wins for the majority of people. We're now in the stage where people actually realise what these things are. If you can actually get a 20" model that produces high amount of lines and has practically every input, you literally have a holy grail for 240p/480i/p retro gaming.

>>4685626
>>4685628
Fuck. I was really wanting to see how BOTW (Wii-U) looked, but at least I can play the Galaxy games on a display that doesn't make them look like putrid garbage since the Wii was made for analogue.

>>4685630
The WiiU does support 480i natively though anon. It has the same video out port as the Wii, so you can use composite or component cables and have no additional latency issues.
I was describing a case where you'd have to rely on an hdmi adaptor to scale and convert to something else your crt can see.

>>4685009
Something like this?

I can try to make a disc image and upload it somewhere but my internet is slow so it may take a while.

>>4685643
>Never ever noticed that AV out
Well shit. I know what I'm digging through my closet for

>>4685271
Yep, slot mask.

>>4685330
Try running it through an extron interface box with serration turned on. Looks like it's losing hsync after vsync.

>>4685502
>KV27S42
That's 60Hz refresh rate. Or 50Hz if you feed it PAL.

Input lag isn't directly related to refresh rate.

>>4685703
I saw someone with my model online except it has a specs label that said 140hz with it. I was deceived? Isn't 60hz a little low for this size of TV?

>>4685717
All SD sets are 15khz horizontal and either 50 or 60hz vertical. Link to where you saw this number?

>>4685725
This is a reddit post so hope you'll forgive that
https://imgur.com/a/GBMQu

And here's a pic from Ebay
https://ssli.ebayimg.com/images/g/k-oAAOSwbopZTA7y/s-l1600.jpg


My set looks exactly like both of these but has no labels on the back, I assumed the original owner peeled them off at some point.

>>4685731
that's 140 watts max, it's related to how much power it draws. god you're silly, anon.

>>4685732
I see I was reading it wrong, gonna duck out of this thread I'll see you guys in about a year

>>4685737
>gonna duck out of this thread I'll see you guys in about a year
good call, try not to commit sudoku by flyback after this.

>>4685742
before I go one more question from a certified retard: is 60hz good for this size TV or what? I read somewhere you want more like 72hz or something for a 27". Any negatives to having 60hz?

>>4685754
all CRT TVs in NTSC regions are 60hz. idk where you heard that but perhaps they were talking about VGA monitors, not TVs? you should look into what standard definition is exactly and how the 15khz/60hz number comes into it.

>>4685759
gotcha anon sorry for this dumbassery, please understand I've not owned a CRT since I was a child and my whole family was so ignorant to how they worked that we got rid of our old sets when they developed coloration problems that I now know could be fixed with degaussing.

>>4685760
About a year or two ago I was in your same spot asking the same sorts of questions. Nobody learns without asking some questions and making misunderstandings.

>>4685009
>>4685646
Finally:

http://anonfile.com/0bw4Z6d3b8/for_4685009.zip

Hope this helps, anon

>>4685564
>Mfw got my 20inch BVM for $20 in 2016.
Feels good bruh. You'll still find deals and people who don't care about money and want to get rid of stuff quickly. Appreciate the ecelebs a little. If all these normies weren't buying the monitors now then they would've been in the trash and gone forever. At least now we have a chance to buy them off the normies once they inevitably have to move in 1-2 years and then we'll have had them perfectly preserved instead of in the trash.

There's a flip side to everything

Anyone here have any experience with the PVM-14M2U?

I do millwright work in grain elevators all around kansas and the last place I went to had 3 that they were willing to get rid of for free considering they just took up space. They all seem to work.

>>4686502
get them all.

Is it less obvious to tell what type of CRT monitor you have? I know I have an aperture grill monitor but its impossible to tell compared to a CRT tv

>>4686693
It's pretty easy. If the image is blurry and shitty quality then it's aperature grille. If the image is sharp and pixel perfect then it's a shadow mask

>>4685701
Ok. What model do you recommend. I've got an ISM 482 but it can't do 240p unfortunately.

>>4685330
See if it has a button labeled "AFC", and try toggling it.

>>4686693
Have you tried looking at it? Obviously you need to look at it very closely and preferably on a white image. The other anon is right though, aperture grilles are blurrier than a shadow mask although this means nothing without having them side by side.

>>4687114
Nope, no AFC button.

>find CRT by dumpster
>someone just put it there like 10 minutes ago
>pretty nice 20in slotmask (Toshiba MD20F51)
>composite only

I finally got an RGB capable PVM and I am disappoint. Is there any way to adjust the chroma and phase when using RGB? Only the brightness and contrast work

What are some cool and useful things you can do in the hidden service menu? For example I picked up a free small TV recently and it had some awful dynamic contrast setting that could be only disabled in the service menu. A lot of the options are very cryptic even with a manual.

>>4687461
Set the scan or overscan. Usually adjust the convergence.

>>4686068
thanks!

>>4686502
great monitor, worth good money

Picked up a CRT from Goodwill and I forgot how annoying that little squeel is when the tv is on. Are there ways to fix that? What brands tend to not have it?

>>4687825
It goes away over time. As you get older.

Once when I was in 4th grade I got in trouble for being "distracting" because I complained about a high pitched noise coming from the TV that the teacher couldn't hear. It used to drive me up the wall. Now at 25 I barely hear it anymore. I accidentally left one of my CRTs on for two days recently. I heard the buzzing very faintly whenever I walked by, but I couldn't tell where it was coming from and I thought the TV was off because the screen was totally dark. I only realized when I noticed how warm the thing was.

>>4686779
Any of the models with ADSP should be fine https://www.ebay.com/itm/Extron-RGB-160XI-Universal-Interface-w-ADSP/122924548454?hash=item1c9edfc166:g:zm8AAOSw~kJaY4mx

>>4686740
Just because you have a shitty aperture grille doesn't mean they all are, there's no inherent sharpness advantage either way.

>>4687825
All SD monitors have whine in the audible range. HD/VGA resolutions push the whine up past 30kHz where it's inaudible for everyone.

>>4687825

100Hz TVs don't have it. Well they do but it's outside of human hearing range.

>>4672712
some of my best monitors were found out in the rain. One was my main monitor for years. Just dry the motherfucker out.

>>4687906
They also have some lag and may not handle 240p/288p console output properly

JVC TM-13U + Wii MAME
Composite Video

>>4685564
There are still some monitors out there that are undiscovered that have very desirable quantities. I won't even post about them here on /crt/ because... I want them for myself.