/vr/ - Retro Games

This is why so many people on this board make fun of eurofags.

It is better, though.

because fuck you that's why

because contrariarism runs rampant here

>>4634738
Anything is better than Mario, so I don't have to play this game to agree. Kid Chameleon is better than both combined, however.

>>4634753
>being a cernyfag
You keep reaching new lows, namefag.

>>4634738

it has better physics

>>4634813
I disagree, the falling velocity is very weightless, feels like the same speed as you go up.

>>4634775
Too bad I don't know what that even means.

Only Australia-kun unironically believes that though.

>>4634738
Because Mario is popular, and anything popular is automatically complete shit that was made as cheaply and quickly as possible to be marketed to the lowest common denominator, because why else would so many people like it? Because it's good? Haha.

>>4634832
I'm going to play Giana Sisters just to prove it's better than Mario then.

>>4634850
Why are you so tsundere for Mario, knux-chan?

>>4634854
I hate Mario because it's shit and it's Nintendo's fault Sega stopped making consoles.

>>4634865

>Nintendo killed Sega
I’m pretty sure Sega killed Sega

>>4634865
You don't believe it was Sony's fault?
Nintendo and Sega seemed to survive in a kind of ying-yang position, in harmony.
It was Sony who overtook and seized the market, and kicked Sega out.

>>4634869
No, Sega was too ahead of their time, it was Nintendo's fault for brainwashing the normies.
>>4634870
Sony is also shit and partially to blame.

>>4634873
>it was Nintendo's fault for brainwashing the normies.
This reminds me of the kind of shit Australia-kun would say.

>>4634875
Nice bogeyman ya got there, m8.

>>4634892
>Knuckles is australiakun
color me surprised.

>>4634892
How are those 60hz mods going, aus-kun?

>>4634892
auster-kun pls stream amigavania

>>4634956
only if you let me suck your cock

>>4634738
Because someone on youtube told you it is?

>>4634865
now that we know this namefag's TRAGIC BACK STORY has he become a recruitable anti hero?

>>4634738
Not even close.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYZEHmOWSQ8

>>4634775
Ignore him, he's going under the Knuckles name posting attacks against Nintendo in every thread and if the OP isn't related, he'll find a way.
Just ignore him, surely he's ignored at home as well.

Superfrog>Shadow of the Beast>Great Giana Sisters>Donkey Kong Country>Super Mario Bros

>>4634870
>It was Sony who overtook and seized the market, and kicked Sega out.
Sony wanted to kick Sega AND Nintendo, and sure were aggressive about it.

Actually Sony bought NA rights to Metal Slug console ports so that Sega wouldn't be able to release them, despite Sony having no intention to use them. And then bought the rights for all of Konami's DreamCast launch lineup.
Sony also had an alliance with Squaresoft and Bandai to discourage third parties away from Nintendo that were not already discouraged by that shriveled unappealing Yamauchi prune. First on the N64 and then on the WonderSwan. Sony even offered an Arc the Lad port for the occasion.

It got bad enough Sega and Nintendo forged an alliance to have each one's games on the other's consoles (only a Pokemon Sega Pico game resulted from Nintendo's side by the time Sega went kaput)

Cocky PlayStation was alive well into the PS2 era too, they bought exclusivity for many of the few third party multiplatforms to further kick the already dead GameCube horse. European PES exclusivity for example.

Typical European platformer in that it looks kind of cool but has very unmemorable game design and poor controls.

Of course it's going to be better, Mario was the first video game. It wasn't a hard act to follow up.

Objectively better music, better graphics and better controls. Also no swimming BS.

Enemy characters and running ability are missing though.

Giana also has some cool hacks, like Furry Knibble Girls. SMB1 hacks are quite annoying including the Lost levels.

SMB3 and SMW are different though, they are better than Giana, but they were made much later.

>>4636002
>Objectively better music
This is a troll, right?

>>4636009
This is a deaf, right? Have you ever heard Huelsbeck's great scores anon or you just keep wanking on the childish chimes that was called music in SMB?

Giana castle music literally thrashes Mario's annoying castle tune.

It sounds like typical arpeggio-filled European game music of the period. Not much sense of melody or memorable tunes.

>>4636009
>>4636037

Giana Sisters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mafip6Am99c

Mario:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTa6Xbzfq1U

>>4636009
No.

>>4636048
there's no reasoning with autistic weebs like you. so fuck you.

>>4636048
Koji Kondo has written some brilliant tunes, although SMB1's music isn't as good as some of his other efforts. I think what you're trying to argue is that European game music wasn't as melodic as Japanese music and you prefer the latter approach.

>>4634738
Europeans need to get out NOW.

As far as 80s Europlatformers go, GGS isn't a bad effort (and believe me, the bar for them can be _really_ low). But it does still lack really memorable characters and levels.

The most memorable level was stage 22 and the infamous pipe maze that ends with a piranha... that level always broke my deathless runs.

There's no sfx in the game, just music.

>people shitting on Hülsebeck's music
I mean, the music is actually the only good thing about Gianna Sisters.

>>4636150
That's due to technical limitations since the SID has only three channels so one had to pick between music and sfx and usually the former won out.

>>4636160
IDK, I'm just not a fan of that arpeggio European game music.

>>4636120
>>4636110
One thing I noticed with 80s-90s European games is that the music usually has nothing to actually do with the game and doesn't "fit" the levels at all. It's like "Oh hey, let's make a generic shmup and paste on some cool SID tune we made."

>complain about European SID music
>American C64 games had just basic bleeps and bloops and nobody knew how to do anything but the default envelopes

>>4634895
I thought he was Jamaican.

>>4636134
Super Mario leveldesign is repetitive and average as well. C'mon it can be cramped into a 12 level campaign:

1: goomba/koopa wankery
2: underground
3: mushroom platformer
4: fireball castle
5: lakitu level
6: swimming
7: jumping fishes
8: labirynth castle
9-12: world 8

Maybe you should extend it to 16 by adding an easy Bullet Bill/Hammer bro level, the piranha level (6-2), another mushroom platformer and another standard castle.

The other 16 levels are just simple repetitions.

At least in Giana all 32 levels look different. Some of them are weaker than the others though, especially around stage 25-26.

>>4636231
How much game do you think you're going to fit in 40k?

>>4636281
I know SMB is 40k. Was wondering how big GGS is for comparison?

>>4636290
Giana Sisters is 53k. It is a single load game and uses almost all of the memory in the C64 (trying to load this thing from a 1541 disk takes miles and forever). So yes, it's bigger than SMB by a good 13k, but you also have to remember that C64 games are more code-dense than NES games chiefly because it takes more code to scroll the screen around. It also doesn't have a hardware sprite multiplexer so you have to do that in software which takes extra code as well.

One of the big deficiencies with doing scrollers on the C64 is the slow-ass CPU. The NES is a good 75% faster and scrolling is practically free while it takes something like 20% of the C64's CPU time unless you use l33t haxor tricks like in Mayhem in Monsterland.

>>4636298
It also takes more code to load levels off a disk, although that's not an issue with single load games like Giana Sisters.