/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4605065
Do you mean I can now dl any snes game and play it just like *that* holy shit

>>4605065
>implying kevtris didnt do this himself
do you really think it got "jailbroken" in like 1 day?

>>4605068
Both of the people managing the git said that they have not coded anything themselves but somebody else.
It's obvious Kevtris just doesn't want his name associated with it just to make sure Nintendo can't fuck him up.

>>4605068
The jailbreak is buggy as shit so who knows. There is a theory someone hacked an update to enable the "Load from SD" menu which was there but not enabled.

>>4605078
There isn't anything inherently illegal about the jailbreak, from a legal perspective it falls into the same category as traditional emulators. Besides he wasn't too bothered about doing it for the NT mini.

>>4605065
Sounds nice and all but what about additional chip support like SA-1, Super FX (2) and others?

So sick of every review calling this a $190 system. It's a $230 system. You dont get to exclude shipping in the final cost when its forty fucking dollars.

And now there are reports this doesn't have 100% accurate colors.

>>4605080
kevtris' last official firmware is buggy as fuck. He "fixed" a bug in a shitty golf game that broke 30 other games.

Pls tell me more about your legal expertise

>>4605065
>The NT shilling is the new Retron 5 shitposting
I bet the wife loved it, OP.

>>4605124
shits fixed according to him, just adding more fixes before releasing 4.2

>>4605118
>100% accurate colors

What are "100% accurate colors"? If I hook a SNES up to 10 different CRTs I'll get 10 slightly different color variants. In any case, the SNES isn't like a NES with an indexed color palette that's open to interpretation, it uses 15-bit color. I doubt an emulator even touches that beyond padding it to whatever HDMI expects.

Anyways, anyone spending $200+ USD on an emulator is a retard. FPGA is still emulation. This shit does nothing that can't be done with a $5 dollar RPi. Fuck, for $200 you could build yourself a nice HTPC that can emulate literally every system that's been emulated. Since 99% of the latency in emulation is going to come from your HD display, whatever slight latency advantage a FPGA provides is completely null.

Are saves fixed yet?

>>4605641
You could have made a valid point but you had to take it to argumentative hyperbole didn't you?

I am optimistic that the Super NT is capable of demonstrating input delay on par with actual consoles, something emulators can't do and I look forward to seeing these demonstrations in the future.

>>4605697
>I am optimistic that the Super NT is capable of demonstrating input delay on par with actual consoles

Absolutely irrelevant when your HD display is adding 60-200ms of latency.

>>4605065
>using a super NT
>not a RPi

nintentoddlers

>>4605704
I presume that people would be using the same displays with their emulators

>>4605641
it's a fixed issue that's going to be in the next update, it wasn't sending the correct color range. I think SNES should be 16-234 and this was sending like 12-245 or some shit.

>>4605641
>with a $5 dollar RPi
wew lad. 18+

>>4605708
Irony: The Post

Seriously, I use an orange pi with case and the superior dualshock 3 controller. All in less than $20. I can also play every pre-96 console too.

Getting the super nt is pure autism.

>>4605697
>believes that paying more will somehow reduce the inherent latency involved with emulation
>wants something to be true that will never be true
>Not using a CRT for /vr/

My god. Do people actually believe this stuff?

>>4606573
A rPi Zero will emulate SNES games just as well as the this piece of shit. What's the other $185 getting you?

>>4606589
Keep telling yourself that kiddo

How is this better than Higan? Higan is 100% accurate and passed every bullshit edge case out there.

>>4607223
byuu pls go

>>4607223
Higan is very likely the best emulator that can be made given the limitations of the host OS.
A fresh install of Higan requires that you accept either screen tearing in a window with good audio, or full screen with frame drops and bad audio. With a bit of work you can get that to the same kind of results as the SuperNt, slightly inaccurate speed but solid video and audio. FPGA consoles are for people who have more money than time and just want the bullshit handled by someone else.

>>4606584
Surprise, there are CRTs with HDMI
Surprise, most of the "inherent latency" from emulators is OS overhead
Surprise, NOACs have similar delay to actual consoles, just poorer accuracy

Fake jailbreak.
The Turrican beta rom isn't even extracted, it's pretty obvious this is just a ploy to add ROM loading unofficially to their product

>>4607236
why does Higan have bad audio fullscreen? I have not noticed any difference

>>4607223
the digital foundry review pretty much proves it isn't better than higan at accuracy.

this is mainly for people who want to play cartridges in HD, collectors, people who want it because it's really fricken cool.

I want it because it's a bitch running a hdmi cable from my tower to my plasma tv, and a hassle walking back and forth to the keyboard (I tried using the controller as a mouse&keyboard via Paddstarr, but something weird happens with paddstarr in this setup, doesn't make sense, but I get intermitten full 1-3 seconds lag using padstarr on my plasma, I don't get it)

of course, I'm not buying this unless it gets the cores the mini NT got.

>>4605065
>The Super NT jews thought they could play us
They did. You bought a $200 SNES.
They don't make any money from cartridge sales, you gave them all they ever needed.

Congrats.

>>4607989
>there are CRTs with HDMI
Nobody's spending $200 on a SNES clone with HDMI output to play on one of the three CRTs that support it.
Surprise, all of those CRTs support the original SNES
Surprise, the original SNES has no compatibility issues
Surprise, the original SNES costs a fraction of this thing's price tag
>b-b-but i have a name!
Actively seek suicide.

>>4608272

>>4608410
Fuck off yosho, you're not my real mom

>>4605704
My TV has 13ms latency

No! This can't be happening! I'm in control here!

>>4608524
my computer monitor is similar and I still consider it too much
that's why I bought a PVM for about the same price as the super NT
NT is still pretty cool though, I will get one someday when CRT is no longer an option

>>4606589
I have a zero, snes runs like shit on it. Slowdowns everywhere. My pi2 runs everything up to psx fine though. Its also not just 5 dollars, i had to order from pimoroni, plus adapters. ended up being around 14-18 in total I don't remember exactly.

>>4607989
>there are CRTs with HDMI
But nobody should use those for retro

>>4605118
Shipping was ten dollars for me, I have no idea where this forty dollar number is coming from.

>>4607223
It's a niche product, for people who want a physical device with high accuracy, that can play cartridges. I waited until the custom firmware because using an SD card is convenient, but sometimes I like to use physical media as well. I couldn't justify the NT Mini in price, but this was a reasonable decision for my budget and desires.
If someone doesn't care about physical carts, physical consoles to hook up to a TV, or accurate play, it certainly isn't worth it.

>>4608694
>a physical device with high accuracy, that can play cartridges.
You mean like a real SNES?

The Super Nt seems like a weird half-assed compromise for people who can't make up their minds whether they're purists or not.

More people than you think. Ever wonder why those cheap consoles that play Genesis and Snes games are so popular? People like the consoles, but they don't like CRTs. They want to play on big screen TV's, not PVMs. This is just a higher end solution to the Brazilian and Chinese trash you usually see.

this should get genesis and the 8 bit cores unless they want to sell us other systems, Kevin is already working on an all in one system that loads from sd cards using the same technology of the nt.

>>4608810
No fucking chance it will get a Genesis core.

>>4608810
I'll eat my hat if they develop a Genesis core and don't try to sell it as a separate unit. Way too much easy money in retro gaming right now.

>>4608694
$39.71 UPS Ground is the only option at checkout for me.

>>4608845
>>4608851
I could see them putting Genesis core on here if they decide to make a Mega NT capable of doing all the peripherals because then the core would have been made, and people would still have a reason to buy the new console because the super NT isnt able to do 32x or Sega CD.

But I wouldnt hold my breath.

>>4605065
Just as a heads up it's not from Kevtris.

>>4608851

Its obvious a Mega SG system is coming next. The owner of Analogue says the Genesis is his favorite system and Kevtris has been interviewed and mentioned some of the intricacies of the Mega Drive hardware. So he's been working on it.

I don't see any more cores coming for the Super NT. Its a cheaper system than the NT Mini and Kevtris wanted to give that expensive console extra value. The jailbreak that exists now is likely all that will ever come out.

>>4608932
>The jailbreak that exists now is likely all that will ever come out.
The jailbreak will get updated. Why else would they bother making a github for it? More cores is a different story.

>>4608735
>You mean like a real SNES?
A SNES with a zero-lag framemeister built in.

>>4609217
An OSSC and a SCART cable costs roughly the same as the Super Nt, and is usable with other consoles as well.

Still not convinced it's good for anyone but ignorant suckers who can't decide if they want an authentic experience or not.

>>4605067
Oh wow! Just like I've always been able to do on my PC and my phone! Imagine that!

>>4607989
HDMI should't even be a thing when talking about retro.

>>4607236
>>4608221
>A fresh install of Higan requires that you accept either screen tearing in a window with good audio, or full screen with frame drops and bad audio.

Just make a custom resolution.
SNES refresh rate falls within VESA DMT required standard of 5% pixel clock tolerance.

>>4609229
I actually pre-ordered an OSSC before finding a compatibility list and seeing that it would only do line double (480p) mode with my TV so I cancelled it.

>>4605065
Awesome news guy! I just got one of these for the wife's son; can't wait to play some old school classics such as Super Adventures Island and Chono Triggers with him!

Other than being able to use SNES games for real instead of emulation, why would anyone spend nearly 200$ for this instead of less than 100$ for a SNES Mini?

Just curious

>>4608272
SNES doesn't do output to lots of CRTs. Go to the CRT subsection to find out more about monitors, pvms and pro crts that do not support a out of box snes.

>>4607989
Emulator latency is so low that I can't believe people pretend it is an issue. There is more delay in old fightstick relays FFS.

>>4609229
OSSC? Do people actually use that thing?

>>4609275
For one, you can add ALL the games to this on an sd card and they will run nearly exactly as they would on an actual cartridge in an actual snes. Snes mini cant do that. Its a pretty shit emulator that was fine tuned just for the games it included.

Second, theres a damn good chance you'll be able to play all the NES, Gameboy, Gamegear, and Master System games as well (and a shtload of other older consoles as well)

Im waiting for the jailbreak that adds this before buying one myself.

>>4609342
I see some people saying the SNES Mini is shit in terms of emulation but every video I see seems to be fine

>>4609342
>For one, you can add ALL the games to this on an sd card and they will run nearly exactly as they would on an actual cartridge in an actual snes.
Or you could download Higan for free and do the same thing.

>>4609345
If your really curious do a google search, im posting with a stylus and its madenning or else I would expand on why its a poor emulator

>>4609346
Nigga, erryone here knows about higan. I use higan everyday. But I cant bring higan over to a friends house and Im tired of hooking my shit up to the plasma when I feel like sitting on the floor and playing Secret of Mang

>>4609342
>nearly exactly
my sides
>>4609356
>pretending to have friends
Who are you trying to impress?

>>4609342
>you can add ALL the games to this on an sd card and they will run nearly exactly as they would on an actual cartridge in an actual snes.

What do you gain from lying on the internet? Your misinformation is embarrassing, and you'll likely make it worse for other people if they believe you. Currently the non-Kevtris jailbreak only supports games that don't rely on special processing chips (goodbye Super FX, SA1, DSP, CX4, etc., some of the best games on the platform). Also saving doesn't work corrrectly because whoever rushed this out doesn't care about doing it properly. There are LOTS of problems so stop being ignorant when advertising it to people

>>4609395
whats wrong with the saving?

>>4606581
How hard is it getting DS3 working on Orange Pi? I had a hell of a time getting it going on my PC

>>4609359
>Who are you trying to impress?
my girlfriend who lives in Canada

>>4609395
oh my bad, it can only play 711 out of 784 of the official SNES library.

and you're right, the firmware didn't come from Kevtris, someone was able to decrypt it and write software for it in under a week.

>>4609639
doesn't work with the current jailbreak. it will make a save, but it won't write over that save.

>>4609959
that means jack shit and it's not ALL games when there's (at least) 73 games you can't play, some of them being among the best on the system

>>4609345
Watch the Digital Foundry video, it's only optimized for the gamea that come on it. If you mod the mini to use other games a lot of them ate fucked up.

I know this thread is about the "jailbreak" but firmware 4.3 is now out. Has anybody had a chance to try it out? Is it worth upgrading?

https://support.analogue.co/hc/en-us/articles/360000557452-Super-Nt-Firmware-Update-v4-3

>>4611447
According to some posts on the Atari Age forum it's looking better than the previous firmware and fixes a few annoying bugs.

http://atariage.com/forums/topic/242970-fpga-based-videogame-system/

>>4610012
Can the SNES mini be hacked to run the games in snes9x instead? I think the NES mini allowed this.

>>4611483
>>4611447
Confirmed, I no longer have any of the glitchiness with Ninja Warriors or Uniracers. Wonderful.

I don't really care about the jailbreak firmware, but I hope Kevtris puts something out soon. This imposter firmware isn't cutting it.

>>4609651
>I had a hell of a time getting it going on my PC
>download SCP toolkit
>let it install
>done
Unless you were trying it years ago with MotionInJoy.

>>4609308
>CRT subsection
??? You mean thread? And anyone getting a pvmeme will be going with an RGB mod anyways, otherwise they wouldn't bother spending the money on one.

>>4605641
>This shit does nothing that can't be done with a $5 dollar RPi.
It plays SNES cartridges.

>>4612669
>It plays SNES cartridges.
So does a super nintendo, and it is cheaper and is 100% accurate.

>>4612678
With the added bonus of not being able to play properly on an HDTV without an extra $200 of hardware!

>>4605065
If you're just going to use roms and emulation why not just connect a laptop to your TV?

>>4612693
>play properly on an HDTV
But the way to play it properly is on a CRT TV.

>>4612693
>hdtvs
/crt/ would like a word with u

>>4612693
>With the added bonus of not being able to play properly on an HDTV without an extra $200 of hardware!

Using an emulator on your PC would be cheaper and provide similar levels near perfect emulation. A potato could run SNES emulation. Any $50 single core PC could accomplish this. No "Jailbreaks" no modified firmware, and no carts taking up space.

A nintendo Will could also do this. Can the NT play Gamecube or Wii games without a firmware update?

I have a samsung TV that has no issue displaying content from component/composite or HDMI. I

>>4612698
>laptop to your TV?
Don't tell them the secret. These people want to spend real money so they have something to talk about.

>>4612707
>/crt/ would like a word with u
This is to simple, and costs too little ($20 or less). These people just want to spend money on an IRL meme.

This is just spending money foolishly to prove that you are an edgy consumer. It says "I have more money then common sense"....Just don't try to bum a smoke from me afterward. Its not my fault you spent a week of pay on a meme.

>>4612678
>So does a super nintendo
That wasn't the argument. The argument was that "there's nothing a Super NT can do that a Raspberry Pi cannot." The Super NT can play SNES cartridges, a Raspberry Pi cannot.

>>4605641
>If I hook a SNES up to 10 different CRTs I'll get 10 slightly different color variants.
If you didn’t touch the default color settings, yes. Obviously on 10 properly calibrated sets the differences would be negligible to the naked eye.

>>4612828
Yo how tf do i calibrate my shit? So far i just set everything to the middle value

>>4612821
>That wasn't the argument.
I was presenting an angle that was possibly not considered. The NT's only redeeming quality is that it plays the carts AND outputs HD.

I was identifying a market for the NT system by ruling out users that:

Own SNES
Own CRT
Own Flash Carts
Own Wii
Own PC with Pentium 3 or better processor


Did I miss anyone? My point is that this is a total meme purchase, and everything that it does can be done with the same accuracy or better in a cheaper manner.

The only people that will purchase this are trendy kids. I can think of many other ways to spend nearly $250 much much better. For half that price you can quickly put together an I5 PC with a gt 730 low profile card. It would also be great for emulating other systems as well.

>>4612831
>Yo how tf do i calibrate my shit?

Is there a SNES test cart or Rom you could download? (Look for SNES test Suite) wink wink.

>>4612839
What happened in your life to make you so outwardly hateful to others depending on their choice of retro platform?

>>4612860
>hateful
It is not hate.

It is an objective viewpoint from a person who grew up around video games. We had an atarii, then a NES and by the time SNES came out, I already had a job and was paying bills. I got a SNES, but only after I was living on my own for a few years. Got the N64 later on. Sold the SNES because it was redundant.
And so I have been emulating the SNES since the mid to late 90s. This is not some new thing. My Pentium 3 800mhz laptop had Svideo output....Straight to the big-screen tv in my livingroom. The MOST impressive "Emulator" I have in my arsenal at this moment is a Wii. It is cheap, has Component/composite/Svideo outputs available and will run just about every Retro System and a few of the newer systems.

I am looking at it from a totally methodical standpoint. It is for a very niche market that has too much money. It is a status symbol to sit by your tv, and nothing more. Most of the users will have a flash carts at this point, so the concept of it having a "Cart slot" will be irrelevant as soon as they get the SD card slot reading games (they may have it already, I don't know)

I would be more impressed with using $20 bills as coasters to keep the table from getting water spots. Seriously.

>>4612839
It's for people that still have their old SNES collection but want to play it on their big ass living room TV.

>>4612896
>It's for people that still have their old SNES collection but want to play it on their big ass living room TV.
People who ignore emulation, cheaper and more versatile PCs to game on this item that has been "jailbroke" to play most SNES games from an SD card?

It takes a special kind of person to want this. That is all I am saying. Do I think it is a foolish waste of money? Yes. Is it someone's right to spend their excess income as they see fit? Yes. However, this is the type of place where all ideas are hung out to dry. This is just my opinion on the piece of hardware that people are pushing....Because there is a push of this product here.

It is a niche market that offers something to a very select few people. As you said, these are people who still have carts and still play them.

How many people worldwide do you think:

>Still keep and use carts
>Refuse to emulate
>Refuse to use the SD card reader built into the system


Id put this number worldwide at less then 200.

You can get a used HP business machine with an I5 and a respectable emulation GPU for less then $100 shipped. It will do everything the NT mini does better EXCEPT play the carts.

>>4612913
>Refuse to emulate
If they buy a Super Nt, they're still emulating.

>>4612918
>If they buy a Super Nt, they're still emulating.
I am aware. I did address that sensation earlier

>>4612839
>everything that it does can be done with the same accuracy or better in a cheaper manner


It is a fancy overpriced emulator for people to spend their money on.

Its not my place to judge, but I will certainly point out what I see as a total waste of plastic and silicone.

>>4612913
I'd buy one if I didn't have CRTs. Keeping the controller ports was a great decision.
Just look how many retrons were sold, and those were designed half-assed. I'm guessing that a lot of people who bought these have careers and/or are married, and still have their box of games hidden in the closet somewhere.
Emulation is a good thing, but latency is its weak point. The emulator with the lowest latency wins (as long as it's 99.9% accurate)

>>4612932
>Keeping the controller ports was a great decision.
I agree with this. It is in my opinion the only redeeming quality. If it did not have ports, and only used BT connection, I would have been more "objective".

Just the other day I ordered a Snes Mini controller because it will work on my Wii. My generic snes wii controller died due to horrible nephews that don't understand "no soda". Had to remove the games totally from their hands and relocate it all to my office cave.


>>4612932
>still have their box of games hidden in the closet somewhere.
I had moved recently. I found my N64 with 25+ titles. I gave it to my sister and her husband. Every "good" game was included. If you ask, they have it....except Ogre Battle. Ill keep that thanks, and the strategy guide.

It took me a year to find the orange version I wanted. I got an everdrive, and have never been happier. It takes up much less space this way.

I like you still have and use the CRT. I keep a few around because I simply love them. Nothing looks or works better. Again, the issue is space. They do take up lots of space.

super nt seems to be the best Snes clone, what's the best Nes clone?

>>4612960
RetroUSB AVS.

Has Turrican DC been ripped yet?

>>4612839
>Wall of text that doesn't even address my post
Yeah that's cool, still doesn't change the fact that you asserted that there was nothing a Super NT could do that a RPi could not. You've been proven wrong, you refuse to admit you were proven wrong, and you're attempting to change the subject.

>>4612967
Is that one really good? I have my eye on it with how stupidly expensive the NT Mini is.

>>4613336
I mean, it's cheaper than an Nt Mini and just as good. Doesn't mean it's worth buying, however.

>>4613341
I don't consider $200 to be too much for something like this. $500 is absurd.

Can anyone explain to me the appeal of this?

I mean, input lag. If the console is plugged to a LCD TV it's supposed to have some. Is it the same as plugging a computer to the same TV and using the best current emulator?

I'm just not convinced. Besides, how does the image look since it's HD? Big pixely shit ain't look good. Very few filters or shaders can look "decent".

>>4613416
>Is it the same as plugging a computer to the same TV and using the best current emulator?
Basically, yes. It might reduce the lag by half a frame or so at most.
>I'm just not convinced.
You shouldn't be.
>Besides, how does the image look since it's HD?
Big pixely shit.

>>4605078
probably has more to do with autistic snex-next faggot trying to sue japs than it does nintendo

>>4613428
More like 2 frames, hopefully

>>4613336
>>4613393
I just saw an NT Mini go for $1900 on ebay, prices are insane now:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Analogue-Nt-mini-Black-Brand-new-Unopened-in-the-box-it-was-shipped-in/152920251871

But yeah, an AVS would be an option. Just be aware that it's only 720p and the firmware doesn't seem to get updated very often.

Was that Super Turrican Beta rom dumped off the firmware already if it was really "decrypted" and not just Analogue adding unofficial features?

>>4613959
I don't know what Super Turrican "Beta" you're talking about, but if you're referring to the Director's Cut then no it has not been released. Probably never will be either, get used to it. Analogue have not added any "unofficial features"

>>4608810
>Kevin is already working on an all in one system that loads from sd cards using the same technology of the nt
If his interview with RetroRGB is indication, it's likely dead. He's convinced no one would be willing to pay for it, and with him working for Analouge, he probably sees no reason to even work on his own console anymore.

>>4614009
It's a damn shame because his own console sounded awesome. There is a post somewhere where he talks about how after working with Analogue just how much effort is involved with designing and manufacturing stuff, when he'd rather just work on the cores more than anything.

>tfw no zimba3000

>>4614005
I believe what Anonymous is saying is that if kevtris really didn't make the jailbreak as he claims, then why hasn't whoever supposedly decrypted the official firmware uploaded the Turrican rom?

>>4614035
I don't think it's as simple as people think. The ROMs are clearly not part of the firmware upgrade file, which means that they're embedded deeper in the circuitry than people expected them to be (which makes sense considering they're the intellectual property of Factor 5).

Whoever reverse-engineered the firmware patch to enable ROM loading probably doesn't know enough about the hardware to dig that deep, and likely only enabled some subroutines that existed but were disabled for retail release to enable the file browser. Or they ported a small section of code from the NT Mini JB firmware since it's the same basic FPGA hardware and they got away with it. This logic holds up because there hasn't been a single patch or fix to the new JB firmware in almost 2 weeks when basic functions like save files don't work correctly. Kevtris isn't the kind of person to half-ass his work, so we have to wait and see how things shake out over time.

>>4613824
RetroArch adds less than a frame of lag now, so your fancy emulator box isn't going to be able to do much better than that.

>>4614107
No one actually believes this.

>>4614115
That's because they don't want to believe it.

>>4614119
>an iPhone test and dev-written blog post are objective and infallible

>>4614115
There are people in this thread who seriously believe the Jailbreak for the Super NT doesn't come from Kevtris, Anon.

>>4614126
Post your data, then.

>>4614129
It's a mad, mad, mad, mad (mad, mad, mad) world.
>>4614132
Pic related

>>4614138
>I didn't bother reading the thread to find out the context so I'll make some shitpost and hope people are convinced

>>4614092
I do wonder why there hasn't been a single updae of the jailbreak firmware yet. The save issue is proving a real bitch to fix, maybe?

>>4614279
Probably because the main official firmware is taking up all of Kev's time at the moment.

>>4614279
>>4614381
Kevtris doesn't release half-baked shit, and if there's a glaring, obvious bug like save issues that should be relatively easy to iron out. It seems obvious to me the reason it hasn't gotten fixed yet is because the coder isn't Kevtris and doesn't have access to the source code like he does. So many people are blindly attributing the "jailbreak" to him without even looking at the logic behind it.

>>4614092
>I don't think it's as simple as people think. The ROMs are clearly not part of the firmware upgrade file, which means that they're embedded deeper in the circuitry than people expected them to be (which makes sense considering they're the intellectual property of Factor 5).

Idk about "clearly not". The ROM would have been 768 kB, while the firmware is much bigger.
Factor 5 originally wanted them released on Nintendo's Virtual Console, on the Wii, which is broken wide open by 2009. It's clearly not Factor 5 who is desperate to ensure that "exclusive" is secured.

>>4614517
or, it could be the guy just has too much on his plate right now. he probably rushed out the jailbreak to increase sales, since lots of people have been saying they will wait for a jailbreak before buying.

as to his not releasing half baked shit... he released a fw that fixed 1 obscure game and broke dozens of popular games, he even sat on the fix to that for nearly a week because he wanted to add more shit

>>4610012
Oh so basically it's only shitty when it's hacked for games it was never meant to play.

>>4609395
>Currently the non-Kevtris jailbreak only supports games that don't rely on special processing chips (goodbye Super FX, SA1, DSP, CX4, etc., some of the best games on the platform)
That's gay, pretty much just the same shit as a SNES everdrive

>>4613416
>Can anyone explain to me the appeal of this?
It's for the people who either don't have their SNES anymore and want that shit back but can't commit to the CRT or HD upscaler setups, or are too young to have grown up with one and want something physical to look cool and trendy.

>>4614009
Link/quote for that interview? He seemed to be pretty satisfied while he was on for the My Life in Gaming video but I can understand the huge costs an all-in-one system aiming for near cycle accuracy would demand that he'd be deterred from doing so.

>>4616401
Worse, actually. A Super Everdrive supports DSP games.

>>4616401
As someone who doesn't own a single everdrive, this is fine with me. I own most of the special chip games on cart already so all the games I can play with the jailbreak is just bonus.

>>4616415
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px3sNvfRZ7s for the interview. I don't know exactly what point he mentioned that, sorry. I watched it weeks ago

>>4616401
Fine with me. I realy think only a few of the non-compatible games are worth playing, and they're not terribly expensive.

https://www.twitter.com/SmokeMonsterTWI/status/967775764182654978

Save bug fix coming "somtime".

https://www.twitter.com/SmokeMonsterTWI/status/967775764182654978

Save bug fix coming "sometime".

>>4616624
Well yeah, obviously. It's easy to make vague promises when you're not the one working on it

>>4609241
well, wondering why you ordered it in the first place considering the OSSC IS NOT A SCALER.

>>4614115
Video proof

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lBwLSPbHWoc

>>4618149
>atari emulator is proof of snes emulator's low latency

>>4616624
I don't understand why smokemonster is wasting his time promoting this shitty jailbreak. Why in the world is he hosting it on GitHub when he doesn't develop it, and there's no viewable source code? Isn't that the entire POINT of GitHub?

>>4618810
There's a lot of people using it simply as a kind of free host for their shit because they're too cheap to actually host something themselves

>>4612693
>i need accuracy!
>plays on snes games on a fucking hd tv

Fucking hell.

>>4619327
What is it about playing on an HDTV that causes the game to be "inaccurate"? I don't think you understand the meaning of that word

>>4614119
Anything special to do with retroarch to remove input lags?

>>4619409
Use DRM/KMS on Linux with 1 or 2 max swapchain images (or use OpenGL Hard GPU Sync on Windows) to ensure no triple buffering is enforced, then use Frame Delay set as high as you can maintain fullspeed to shave off a few more miliseconds so that it responds in under a frame (16.7ms). This requires a fast CPU in general because the emulator needs to complete frames in a fraction of the time of real hardware to manage this.

>>4619526

>released over two weeks ago
>filled with bugs making it practically useless
>not a single update since

Why even release it in the first place? What a disaster

>>4620703
to end speculation on wether the super nt will be given the unofficial features that the NT mini got.

lotta people wouldn't buy this without some sort of reassurance that it will play roms

>>4619396
it's not what devs intended, man, THE DEVS!"!!1

>>4620714
That's depressing. The technological advancement present in the system is worth the price tag by itself. People are entitled assholes

>>4621670
$230 for yet another device that can play SNES games? No, that's not worth the price tag, sorry. To make it in any way enticing, it absolutely needs the jailbreak.

>>4620703
Smokemonster keeps promising an update's coming on his Twitter. But it doesn't matter. Either it does, or I buy an Everdrive. No big deal either way.

>>4621686
It plays them in a way unlike any of those other devices, you wiener. Why don't you just go emulate?

>>4621743
>It plays them in a way unlike any of those other devices, you wiener.
No, the whole point is to make them play exactly in the same way as a real system or Higan, i.e. accurately. So why bother when both of those options already exist and don't cost $230?
>Why don't you just go emulate?
Yes, that's exactly what I'm suggesting.

>"""""""""jailbroken"""""""""
Sure, totally
Also where the fuck is the SimCity NES ROM

Why are people acting like a $50 PC would play a SNES game at near perfection?

>>4621743
>Why don't you just go emulate?
You're paying over $200 to get the similar accuracy to higan, and you're telling someone else to go emulate. An original Super Nintendo costs around $35 and will play the entire library at 100% hardware accuracy, and you're handing over $200 to someone because... why, exactly?
The absolute state of nu-/vr/ is cancerous.

>>4620703
I thought you were referring to the Super NT itself for a second there.

>>4621686
I bought it even though I already have a real SNES/Framemeister/SD2SNES combo.

>>4622258
>you're handing over $200 to someone because... why, exactly?

1080p HDMI output. I thought was the obvious selling point and main objective of the Super NT.

>>4622272
Or you could buy an OSSC and use it with multiple consoles.

>>4622303
What if you don't have multiple consoles? What if you have one of the many TVs that only support 480p max output from the OSSC? What if you want a simple plug and play option, which OSSC definitely isn't?

>>4622305
Then you should just use an emulator.

>>4622238
Because a $50 PC could play a SNES game at near perfection.

>>4605067
wow who do I send money to for the downloads??

>>4605067
wtf i hate playing on official hardware now

>>4605065
So is this a real console or just another emulator box like the fifty thousand other ones that have been shilled on /vr/?

>>4623484
It's a fancy emulator box. Better than most others, but very overpriced.

>>4623484
FPGA based hardware clone with HDMI output. All is done on hardware level, no software-side emulation.

>>4622303
OSSC IS NOT A SCALER

of course it is. what are you talking about?

>>4623817
still an emulator, it's not real hardware, will never be, will never perform the same as real hardware.

>>4623907
If you're not a CRT autist, then it's better than real hardware.

>>4623907
Could be, it's different kind of product than retron 5 for example due to it's implementation. Pretty interesting as a novelty though.

>>4622258
show me $200 pc that can run higan or show me how to get a snes that can scale to 1080p and play roms (sd2snes is $200 in itself so you have find me a snes and a scaler that comes with a visa giftcard I guess)

>>4623963
>show me $200 pc that can run higan
The one you already have requires no extra expenditure.

New jailbreak firmware is out. Here's the changelog:

>JB6.5 2018-03-04:
>adds a new "Save?" dialog box,
>fixes DMA-related bugs, which should solve most random crashes,
>fixes both SRAM bugs (firmware 6.4 only saved once and had a nasty corruption bug). Please test it again so we can be sure the save functionality works as expected. Any save games made on the jailbreak firmware 6.4 should be considered as potentially corrupted and must be discarded,
>fixes glitch with some games disabling the "return to menu" shortcut,

>>4624581
Apparently there are still bugs with saving, and if you back out of the menu at the wrong time you risk losing your save entirely. I don't fully understand as I don't use the JB firmware, but be careful. More info can be found on the Atariage thread

>>4625091
You mean this?

>The Jailbreak firmware still has some problematic behavior in going into and out of menus. If you go back to the filebrowser, then back to the system menus, then back to the game, then pressing your "menu" shortcut no longer takes you to the filebrowser. And if you go to "Browse SD Card" in the menus, you don't get an SRAM save dialogue box, nor can you leave the file browser directly to the game anymore, you must first go back into the SNT menus. Select just does nothing at that point.

>So, while saving may be fixed, being able to save is inconsistent because if you go to the SNT menus, you can accidentally lock yourself out of it, it seems.

>(I've posted this as an issue at the Github already, as it was a problem with the earlier version, this is mostly a warning to people using it that this can happen, so avoid going back and forth between file browser and SNT menus.)


I'll keep it in mind. Should be fixed soon, though.

>>4625221
Workaround for now is to just hit the start button when in the sd card file browser if you need to access the settings menu.

As long as you don't use the B button to go back to main menu, everything works perfectly.

>jailbreak
>jail
That shit aint running BSD style jails or any sandboxing at all I bet.

>>4625314
wut

>>4625348
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD_jail

It's silly to pretend like this system had security in place to prevent this, that's now been broken, when in reality it's most likely the original developer releasing it under a pseudonym or just someone who can patch some unprotected binaries.

>>4616397
Which is a good enough reason to use mednafen or Snes9x on a computer, since I can have the whole SNES library and play them with no massive performance issues and all the fancy graphical shit I want with them all for free.

>>4625283
Cool. Thanks.

Has anyone tried running Tengai Makyou Zero with this jailbreak?

>>4627129
Doesn't work. No special chip games do.

>>4627150
then whats the point of this shit clone?

>>4627267
Best hardware accuracy outside the real deal, no analog step in video, and minimize all extra sources of latency.

>>4627339
FPGAs Aren't Magic

https://byuu.org/articles/fpgas-arent-magic/

>>4627267
Higan level "emulation" with zero input delay, Built in OSSC and (admittedly limited) flash cart. Additional system cores most likely on the way.

>>4627534
Everyone's already read byuu's tantrum, but thanks.

>>4627564
>Additional system cores most likely on the way.
I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

>>4627339
>no analog step in video
So to explain to
>>4627267
It's basically an emulation box without an OS, for those that either can't find a CRT or can't deal with CRTs. Good for people who wish to emulate on an HDTV with minimal lag. I don't feel it's worth the price when it's not drastically a game changer from the cheaper SNES Mini, but I stick to real hardware so I have no dog in this fight.

>>4627564
>byuu’s tantrum
you sound pretty buttblasted there kevtris

>>4627627
Have you read it? He's complaining that people weren't giving him enough credit. He's furry. He craves attention.

>>4627609
Essentially, yes. Though it's emulating the logic and electrical pathways of the hardware itself, not just the game. Might seem like an insignificant difference, but it's really not.
It's definitely overpriced and not much different to a Higan setup. But there's something to be said for being able to play physical carts on a modern tv with zero setup.

>>4627150
Ah, it's special chip. I had forgotten.

>have an 8GB and 1GB SD card remaining
>use proper tools to format to fat32
>8GB fails with errors every time
>1GB works perfectly

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

I wish I fucking knew why, they're both sandisk brand and work perfectly otherwise

I bought a Super NT because the promise of zero latency... and as far as I can tell, this is as close to zero as I've ever seen on any other emulator. This alone is worth the price considering it is self contained little box I can take anywhere.

Byuu wrote up an article about how the theoretical lowest input lag with higan(with gsync and ASIO audio) is low enough to be unnoticeable, but I've tried everything I could (I have a gsync monitor) and there is still noticeable lag and it doesn't feel close enough for me to be happy with.

any update on Turrican?

>>4628493
It's still playable on the Super NT. No issues with the JB firmware I've seen.

All is well

>>4628497
sorry. as in, has it been dumped anywhere yet?

>>4628503
I don't know, probably not. Otherwise someone would be posting links to it with indecipherable memes and "WE DID IT BOYZ WE WUN KEKEK"

>>4623906
if you were replying to >>4623879:
No, OSSC is not a scaler, it's a line-multiplier and deinterlacer, with the result of compatibility issues for modes above 3x on most TVs, because 3x and up produce non-standard resolutions.

>NOTE: 3x/4x/5x do not generate standard 720p/960p/1080p/1200p CEA/VESA modes (total lines, pixels per line), so they are generally accepted only by monitors and not by many consumer TVs.
http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php?title=OSSC#240p.2F288p_proc

>>4628458
>I can take anywhere.
from the northern corner of your basement to the southern corner?

if you're okay with 99% accuracy instead then why wouldn't you just use an emulator

>>4629982
I'd bet that the majority of Super Nt users have a lot of experience using emulators. I remember running ZSNES for DOS in the late 90s. I'd say the Super Nt is for people that have existing SNES games/accessories and don't want to go the PVM or Framemeister path.

>>4629982
Input latency and proper HDTV play without needing to configure anything

What's an SNES/SFC game with a good attract/demo mode? Sometimes I like to let title screens sit for a long time as background audio but most of the ones I've tried have had either nothing or very repetitive demos. With the JB firmware I have access to a lot more games than I own so I was wondering if there's something out there that people like. Am I the only one that does this with games?

Are the controllers for this thing any good?
$40 for a decent wireless SNES controller sounds like a good deal.

Also transparent plastic, classic purple, or famicom rainbow buttons?

>>4634169
The matching 8bitdo controllers are great, but not perfect. They function fine for the most part, but you'll find yourself hitting accidental diagonals more often than on an OEM controller due to slight differences in the construction. It's a great wireless solution without any noticeable latency, but if you demand perfect directional accuracy you have to go with an OEM controller. Some have had success with swapping out the dpad plastic bit with an OEM dpad but not everybody has the means to do that.

>>4634169
>>4634216
Forgot to mention, go with whatever color you prefer, but note that the translucent model isn't as clear as the renders on their website. More white frosted than proper clear. You can find proper photos if you google them. It's not a deal breaker for many but don't go by the photos on the Analogue website to make your decision

>>4634225
>>4634216
Thank you, and apologies for the late response:
I mostly play RPGs so the odd diagonal input isn't going be an issue; probably even less so since I've been using a Switch Pro controller recently and that piece of shit is the worst for diagonals, which has forced me to retrain myself in how I press a standard + shaped D-pad.
That aside, looking at the frosted/translucent model in a couple videos I think I might pass and go with the original US purple colour.

Thanks again.

>>4634169
>>4634216
>>4634225
>>4634346
Holy shit, did somebody ask a question, get an answer, and nobody shouted insults or racial slurs? What the fuck is wrong with this board?

>>4635639
>What the fuck is wrong with this board?
Its probably Analogue just plugging their product and samefagging in an effort to sell more of their shitty overpriced soy-boy-money-vacuums. The thing plugged into your monitor right now will most likely run Snes games better. I know its them because they get all buttmad every time you point out that even a Wii is a more capable system. There is a global market for less then 200 people who still use cartriges, and they know that CRTs and native hardware are the only acceptable solution. You can get a used SNES for cheaper.

This is just a money sink.

>>4635676
>There is a global market for less then 200 people who still use cartriges

Is this fucker serious?

>>4635639
fuk u m8

>>4634216
I was worried about the diagonals because of a handful of reviewers kicking up a storm about it, but I haven't found this to be true at all based on the 2 I own. It is slightly less "tight" than a buffalo snes controller, but I have zero problem not hitting diagonals when I don't mean to. And I find it easier to do quarter circles and half circles with the 8bitdo than the buffalo, but not by much. I wonder if the people having problems got a bad batch, or if they aren't testing them in that little test utility in windows you get to by right clicking the controller in Devices and Printers to eliminate the possibility of the emulator they are using not handling the d-pad axis properly.

I have the old style SN30/SNES30's btw, not the redesigned Super NT ones, because they actually look like original US Snes controllers, the newer ones for the super nt change too much cosmetically (horizontal start and select buttons instead of diagonal, no grey around the button area, and they got this sheet of PVC plastic glued to the top of the controller where all the lettering is printed)

>>4637329
I wouldn't say the diagonals are a deal breaker, but they do feel odd, especially if you're used to OEM controllers. Obviously it depends on the game you play. I beat DKC1 front to back on my NT with an 8bitdo wireless controller. The diagonals only caused a few mistakes over the entire thing

hmmm might have to pick one up

this is an overpriced piece of shit. why would anyone buy this?

Has there been any news on when the non-black versions will be restocked?

>>4639497
Not yet. Maybe that color needs to sell out before they preorder more of the rest

>>4638832
>this is an overpriced piece of shit. why would anyone buy this?
I can't figure this out. Other then to impress people who don't know anything. I would guess their target market is people who want easy access to HD tv hookups for sd content and don't want an upscaler. However, you start into multiple SD systems, and you may want to get an upscaler and not use this. It seems like it is not really retro, but it is trying to be. It is the token soy boy in your group of friends.

I really am trying to give this system the benefit of the doubt, but with Analogue basically advertising for free here, it is hard. A product like this should sell itself by word of mouth. It seems odd for them to come here and be the OP every time the previous one expires.

>>4639862
Every time you unironically use the term "soy boy" it automatically invalidates your argument

>>4612960
Depends. If you just want to play NES then the AVS is your best bet for dollars to value. However there is an argument for the NT Mini after you factor in the semi-official jailbreak firmware.

>>4641824
Considering the NT Mini isn't currently being sold, I would wager that the AVS is the only option right now

I hope they resume production soon though

>>4641824
What would you say about the AVS on its own merits? I've been strongly considering one.

>>4642751
It's relatively affordable, supports all NES/Famicom/FDS games at nearly perfect levels of accuracy, and even supports online high score tables for certain games (if you power the system via your computer).

The downsides are that it only outputs 720p HDMI, and you need a dedicated flash cart to load roms as there is no SD loader, but these aren't deal breakers for most. 720p perfectly scales up to 4K at 3x, which allows it to show accurate scan lines if that's your thing