/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4616282
Use the catalog >>4615638

>>4616282
The only games worth buying on Steam are ones that are DRM-free and can't be purchased through gog. Steam is a cancerous tumor upon the industry and you should make every effort possible to not give them any of your money.

>>4616286
this

>>4616290
that

>>4616282
here we go, another remilked upscaled shitty amdroid to pc port

> muh achievements

not even a proper release with at least a crt filter and proper upscaled resolutions , I'm not gonna even ask for a remake anymore, I alredy gave up hope

>>4616286
But why buy old games on digital distributors at all? Especially these old jrpgs on Steam. What repels people from just using emulators and wasting money on things that are already poorly emulated or ported?

>>4616323
>Anonymous
Because you can't show off how cool you are to all your friends unless you buy it on steam and how retro kawaii you are by getting all those sweet achievements to show off playing baby's first jrpg

>>4616282

>>4616323
Because not every game is emulated and if you're a gainfully employed adult there's no reason to risk legal troubles over a $5 game.

>>4616323
The only reason to buy a game on steam is if it's not available anywhere else (for new games since /vr/ games existed before steam). If you can emulate it then it's available somewhere else.

>>4616338
>not every game is emulated
such as? I'm pretty sure every snes era jrpg can be emulated.

>>4616340
Old PC games, mostly. Some of them can be a real pain in the ass to get working on modern systems. If you buy them on gog they just work.

>>4616340
You misunderstood, I'm saying not every game that is sold is emulated like some of the SNES JRPGs are, thus playing the real deal instead of an emulation is ideal.

The only one I bought was Romancing SaGa 2 and it was probably the only Square Enix decent remake released in years for PC

Maybe if they port the DQ versions from mobile they'll be decent too

>>4616387
>remake

You mean enhanced port. And man does it suck. The sprites look like they were upscaled in MSPaint rather than redrawn, and the translation was ported directly from the broken mobile version. I hope you didn't drop more than $5 on this.

>>4616282
I buy all of the mobile-to-PC ports by Square Enix since I want to support them and I am ridiculously rich.

Just waiting for soundtrack mods and defilter mods.

>>4616286
Redpill me on this.

>>4616286
why is DRM so bad? I hear people talking about it like its fucking Ebola. is this just bitching from people who think everything should be open source and free?

>>4616282
Only buy games on Itch.

>>4616338
>legal troubles

Ahaha what? Do people actually believe that you'll get sued for downloading a rom?

>>4616872
always online is inconvenient, especially with needing to have steam open all the time. Having Steam vac is bad enough.

>>4616872

Basically, one of two things will happen:
-Steam will stop working on your computer. This has actually happened to some people, Steam doesn't work on some of the old computers that it was originally intended for. Steam originally just had goldsrc games on it and the people who play them are required to do so through Steam now, but those old computers don't work with Steam.
-Steam will, inevitably, die. Yes you can pirate at that point but that's a ridiculous extra step and you'll have to maintain a forever backup of all your games in the event Steam dies suddenly. Why do legit customers have to pirate to play their games? I can get out my Homeworld disc and play it on a Windows 7 computer just fine, I might not be able to say the same about a Steam game 20 years after its release.

>>4616861
>>4616872
Steam has created a textbook monopoly on the gaming industry. You see, PC gaming used to have the most freedom of any gaming platform. You'd buy a game and in doing so you were entitled to a license, a copy of that game that you could do legally almost anything with (outside of illegally sharing it and making certain modifcations). Then, Steam came along and made DRM an industry standard. Where PC games were once widely available on physical media and could be copied and stored and moved around at leisure, on Steam they are tied to an account and require a constant internet connection.

What's worse, is that because Steam has become so popular, most PC games these days are released solely through Steam. This means Steam has a stranglehold on the entire industry and if developers want to make any money, they have to be willing to release the game through Steam and be willing to accept any of their draconian policies. You have no control over your game -- you don't get to decide what to do with it, how to play, not even when to play. You are completely chained to DRM and are effectively paying to "access" the game rather than actually owning a license for it.

Now, with that said, not every Steam game has DRM. Some (mostly really old) games can't be purchased, downloaded, and then you can still play them even if you delete Steam off of your computer. You can find an entire list of these games online. However, it is best to first use a site like gog.com if possible, because then you won't be benefiting a company that is destroying the industry.

To sum it up, Steam is bad because it has too much control. There have been people who have been banned from Steam and lost access to their entire library of games. If you care about having rightful access to what you pay for, and not having one company dictating the trends of the industry, don't buy games through Steam.

>>4616882
>>4616907
Do you realize steam has an offline mode? You don't need to be constantly online to play games.

I'm never buying anything from Steam every again. My Steam could just float there.

>>4616907
>There have been people who have been banned from Steam and lost access to their entire library of games.

i have never once seen any real evidence of this happening to someone who wasn't involved in credit card fraud

>>4616915
>You don't need to be constantly online to play games.
That's literally what DRM and Denuvo is

>>4616915
Do you realize that you have to first be online to activate the offline mode? Kind of defeats the purpose unless you specifically know you aren't going to have internet access in advance. Here's a better idea, how about just not buying games from a corrupt corporation and having to worry with activating "offline mode" to begin with?

>>4616915
>>4616919
Stockholm syndrome at its finest. Imagine having your rights taken away and then defending it lmao.

>>4616920
So then you're saying steam isn't DRM?

>>4616921
You really don't. If for whatever reason you lost your internet because of a storm or something then you can still play your games. Unless you're talking about a scenario where you've never had internet ever? Which doesn't make sense because if you don't have internet then how the fuck did you buy the games in the first place?

>>4616927
Being shamelessly sleazy isn't the same as being clever

>>4616931
But you said that DRM is always online. But steam doesn't require you to be always online. You're contradicting yourself.

>>4616919

This actually happened to a troll on /v/. He was some kid with mom and dad's credit card buying games (legally) and then being a edgelord guy fawkes style troll in games. He happened to run into an actual Valve employee who just happened to be playing on the same server, and whatever the troll did got the kid banned from Steam entirely.

The pictures he posted did not look shopped in the slightest and furthermore his attitude about the whole thing seemed authentic, including messages on Steam's customer support page. He tried to troll /v/ about how he used his mom's other credit card to buy the games again under a new account as though that was supposed to piss us off, and from there the thread collapsed into everyone laughing at him for half an hour.

>>4616921

To test this, I just disconnected wireless and then started steam, it started up in offline mode after failing to connect online just fine, including being able to launch a game I had installed but never launched before (meaning any authentication need to play is unaffected). Then I reconnected wifi, changed Steam to online mode, disconnected wifi again, and let Steam hang. It switched to offline mode just fine after waiting a few minutes.

>>4616938
>This actually happened to a troll on /v/.

Ah yes, 4chan, the most reliable source of information on the internet.

>>4616937
DRM and Denuvo are always online, it doesn't matter if you're in offline mode on Steam because they're independent of Steam. Now stop being retarded.

>>4616948

Seems pretty reliable, the sheer amount of effort being made to fake a story for literally no reason is pretty unreasonable. He even posted pictures of him trying to login and the error.

>>4616950
That's cool and all but we were talking about steam, not denuvo.

>>4616951
You must be pretty new here if you think that some autist wouldn't spend a shitload of effort on trolling.

>>4616958

You must be pretty new here if you can't spot the differences between a failed attempt at trolling and some sperg with mental problems have a very public problem.

>>4616956
It was clearly about DRM, you goalpost changing sleaze.

My cock is sooo fucking hard

Well, there's nothing I can add that hasn't already been said.

The worst thing is: you know Square can do so much better. They're good, they're not lazy and still, this happened, countering everything I said.
Somehow in their office everyone thought this was an acceptable thing to do.

>>4616962

He's made it very clear that you're the one changing the goalposts. He's talking about Steam, not Denovo, and he's pointing out that Steam's offline mode matters.

>>4616969
Asked about DRM, got a response about DRM

>>4616975

First of all, >>4616915 and >>4616872 are posting with different grammar, they aren't the same person. >>4616915 is a post that is clearly bringing up a point.

Second of all, you are STILL the one moving goalposts, bringing up stupid shit about Denuvo is STILL not relevant to the fact that Steam works just fine offline.

>>4616982
>bringing up stupid shit about Denuvo is STILL not relevant to the fact that Steam works just fine offline
It's just the way DRM works, anon. And it is relevant to the fact that the poster insinuated that someone was claiming that Steam itself is DRM, which is actually arguable considering how Vac works apart from playing games that don't have DRM implemented. This was about DRM, not Steam.

>>4616991
Wrong.
>Why is DRM bad?
>Because you have to have Steam online to play your games
>You don't have to be online to play Steam games
>REEEEEEEEE DENUVO

You seriously need to work on your communication skills and reread these posts >>4616882 >>4616907. The discussion was explicitly not about Denuvo or any other non-Steam DRM.

>triggerniggers.

>>4616998

>>4616872
>why is DRM so bad?
>>4616882
>always online is inconvenient

The discussion was about DRM, quit this shit. And I mentioned having Steam open all the time because the games are better off without the client, whether it's signed in or not.

>>4617017
Wrong, let's go back to the post you just pasted half a sentence of.
>always online is inconvenient, especially with needing to have steam open all the time.
>needing to have steam open all the time.

You don't get to select the context, the person writing the post does. >>4616915 is countering a false statement made about steam.

>>4616338
>Legal troubles
>Over a 23 year old game
Nigger, as long as you aren't torrenting the latest CoD game or trying to sell an IP from a game developer/publisher, 99.99999999999999% of the time you will never get caught downloading old ROMs from the 32 bit era. Hell, I've even got some ROMs from the PS2 to the late DS era and I'm still fine. You'd have to be doing something blatantly stupid to get sued for something involving a ROM, like trying to sell a ROMhack of an original game or something of that caliber.

>>4616282
I bought some Sega Genesis collection on Steam a few years ago. I ran goodtools on the ROMs for fun. It detected most of them.

>>4617027
You need to be online to play DRM games, and the Steam client always opens when you run a game you bought on it.
>You don't get to select the context, the person writing the post does.
What's that supposed to mean? The context was DRM, then someone insinuated something about Steam, now you're just shouting about metas
>You don't get to select the context, the person writing the post does.
What's that supposed to mean? It's okay for you to make insinuations and no

>>4617027
You need to be online to play DRM games, and the Steam client always opens when you run a game you bought on it.
>You don't get to select the context, the person writing the post does.
What's that supposed to mean? The context was DRM, then someone insinuated something about Steam, now you're just shouting about metas

>ports of ports of ports
What happens when Square can't use ports anymore due to them being so old and ragged?

The point is: I remember when I was a kid and I could download individual patches and mods the way I liked, now you're literally forced to download updates to games or they won't launch(inb4 you can disable them, yes you can but the game won't launch, will only ask you if you "want" to update it), not to mention the retarded effort you have to put in in order to play the same game copy in LAN(something completely legal back then, mind you).

We have less choices, and the prices for newly released games has NOT gone down, despite the lack of disc, box and manuals.

We haven't had a single advantage from this except for sales(only a thing on unsuccessful games) and with time devs would have been able to sell online anyway.

>>4616338
What kind of place do you live in that there's a "legal trouble" over a fucking $5 game

>>4617449
To add to this: having VAC universal bans is horrible and the idea that I can't even run cheats in SINGLE PLAYER games because some special snowflakes will get mad at fucking achievements(on their own a very special form of cancer) is even worse.

We lost control over our shit in exchange for shovelware at shovelware prices.
Hurray, praise Gaben.

>>4617457
Sweden

>>4617504
My condolences

>>4617476
I never got the point of out-of-game achievements. Why would I care about achievements I get in a game unless it gives me access to some sort of bonus or extra content within the game, not just "gamer cred" bullshit?

>>4616323
I try to vote with my wallet, and buy games I'd like to see more of in the future to show my support.
Like, I had already beat Rez Infinite several times pirated, but I bought it anyway because I want more games like that in the future, and Mizuguchi deserves my hard earned cash.

>>4616282
Unrelated but why the fuck my android version won't update just now? REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Someone has a solution?

>>4619353
nvm