/vr/ - Retro Games

Example of filter plus new UI

>>4615641
And direct comparisons of multiple versions.

Steam:
http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/613830/ss_0ea9f4c76097bb20814f126d814affb6a68cf466.1920x1080.jpg?t=1519750605
Nintendo DS:
http://app.resrc.it/http://www.thunderboltgames.com/s/reviews/ds/chronotriggerds_1.jpg
SNES:
http://www.retrogameguide.com/images/screenshots/snes-chrono-trigger-4.jpg

>>4615638
It's not like people like chrono trigger because it's good or anything. People like it because they've heard they're supposed to like chrono trigger. The filter, ui, touch controls, etc. won't affect their experience.

>>4615641
Also take care to note they somehow fucked up the tiling so that it no longer blends smoothly.

>>4615641
It looks like a team of specialists scientifically uglified it in the most offensive way possible

>>4615654
aka a Square-Enix game

>>4615648
Your autism is becoming recurring.
Is this how you justify people liking what you don't like?

Why the fuck is it 2 gigs?

>>4615703
>2GB Storage
>4GB RAM
How the fuck?

>>4615703
lol what the shit

>>4615703
Resolution seems to work by using different assets.

e.g. doubling screen resolution uses a seperate set of x4 size sprites/tiles

>>4615641
>>4615650
Final Fantasy VI (PC) - Part 2: The Comeback

>>4615703
Uncompressed audio files?
Video files?
DirectX redistributables?

I'm not defending it, just trying to understand it.

They did the same thing with FFVI, but this time looks worse.
Im sad desu.

God damn it looks bad

>>4615791
>Uncompressed audio files?
>Video files?
>DirectX redistributables?

Probably this, plus those files may have duplicates for different resolutions, encoding setups, etc.

>>4615707
Can't wrap my brain around it

>>4615641
It doesn't look that bad.. It's serviceable. If only they outsourced it like they did IX

>>4615641
>filters.jpg
>those RPG maker-esque tilings
>that fucking font

>>4615703
The PSX version used the original ROM - most of the CD was filled by the FMVs. Now even if you factor in "assets at bigger resolution", 2 GB is a tad too much.

I can't understand why Square Enix can't throw a bone to the Chrono series.
Less popular games receive remakes and even spin-offs from time to time. Hell, they even have Yuji Horii, Akira Toriyama and Nobuo Uematsu, it's not like they lost the heart of the game

>>4615818
Expectations are too high, probably.

>>4615646
>http://www.retrogameguide.com/images/screenshots/snes-chrono-trigger-4.jpg
According to these pictures, the tiling was never smooth so there's nothing particularly messed up looking in the Steam version. It's just an old game that still looks old.

>>4615707
>4GB RAM
I remember playing CT to completion on a machine with 32 MB RAM using ZSNES. Good times.

>>4615703
ipad emulator probably.

>>4615821
The filtering is bad and makes the seams much more obvious, and looks especially terrible in motion. It's definitely not the same, I dunno why people are trying to defend this.

Does it at least have additional European languages?
Then those could be extracted and inserted back into the SNES rom.

Fucking Squeenix, at least if you wanted to release phone jank on PC, how about your entire i-mode library (like the 2D Seiken Densetsu 1 remake) or stuff like Adventures of Mana, Romancing SaGa 2, Chaos Rings, idk. You could lazily port those and still have something of actual worth on PC.

>>4615817
The resolution of said FMVs wasn't very good compared to today's standards though

>>4615961
>implying they have the original files to remaster them

It is actually possible to release something worse than a packaged emulator and ROM, and Square shows us how.

>>4615648
lol, is the game too tough for you?

>>4615968
Well this version isn't the worst they could do. It's actually an improvement.

The original phone version lacked languages and was online only on top of all the other bullshit. It downloaded just the data it needed for the current level (you can add loading times to the list)

>>4615821
Yes.
It's even more obvious if you're Component RGB/YPbPr cables which give you DVD levels of clarity for retro games.

I see this at least has the extra content of the DS version. Is that worth playing? And would it be better on this port or by emulating the DS version?

>>4616525
Avoid unofficial emulation like the plague.

If you don't have a DS and an official copy of the game, or even an R4 with cheats function (to disable the anti-piracy DRM that freezes the game after a certain point near the beginning), get the PC version or the iPhone version.

>>4615951
Romancing SaGa 2 is already on Steam.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/606370/Romancing_SaGa_2/

But Chaos Rings and Adventures of Mana has yet to make it there.
And it's especially insulting for Adventures of Mana since the Secret of Mana Remake was probably built on the same engine as Adventures of Mana, and Adventures of Mana would make a great companion to the Secret of Mana remake.

The only platform which has both Adventures of Mana and Secret of Mana Remake is the PS Vita, and even then, Secret of Mana Remake fails to reach 60fps there even when it's uncapped.
So a PC port of Adventures of Mana would be great.

You know what's weird?

The CT mobile port is really old for Square's stuff. It didn't have any graphical changes, it was a straight port from DS with the extras stripped from it.

>>4615638
Chrono Triggered

>>4616603
But I wanted to be shit.

>>4615968
It would've actually had more content if it was a DS game in a shell. This mobile port was before Square dived that deep into using actual ROM files, they were worrying more about space so they nixed certain extras from mobile ports.

Just look for the monster arena from the DS version.

Would it be so hard to just emulate an SNES rom for commercial release? It'd be a rip-off but that's what every normie wants

>>4616538
DS emulation is fine.

>>4615654
this. they seem to be really talented at ruining anything they touch.

it only reinforces my belief that great games like CT are the product of a certain time, place, and chemistry, and you can't always get that back. it would be better if this wasn't released at all, all it does is tarnish the original by association.

>>4616885
No.
No unofficial emulation.

If you really want to emulate, get a Wii and get it on the Virtual Console.

>>4615641
>Oof

>>4616936
What?

>>4616940
it kinda fits.

>>4616538
lmao i have a rom of chrono trigger on a ttds and i've nearly finished it? also ds has great emulation, where did you get these insane ideas?

>>4616972
I hate unofficial emulation.
Just a pet peeve of mine.

>>4616976
everyone has pet peeves but that's a pretty dumb opinion to literally order other people to follow. why do you hate it so much?

>>4616538
>>4616936
>>4616976
bsnes, nestopia, gambatte, mednafen psx etc. are more accurate than virtual console or PSN. they're 'unofficial' but they're more authentic and true to the original game.

>>4616989
it's not branded by his favorite companies so he's willing to go with a lower quality emulator that is branded by his favorite companies

>triggerniggers

>>4616885
>>4616942
>>4616972
>>4616989
>>4616990
Stop replying to tripfags like this. They're only doing this to get your attention and deviate from the original discussion.

I download the iOS version from the Japanese Apple Store several years ago. It was pretty good actually. I played it mostly on the train when commuting, and it looked and ran alright on the 5s and it served its purpose. At least I didn’t have to lug around the ridiculously heavy PSP or Vita, or carry around that oversized DS crap. Like the other classic square games that had updates, it was a copy from the last handheld generation, this one being DS. At least they didn’t completely change and ruin a great game like they did with Seiken Densetsu 2 recently.

>>4617036
I can carry stuff like the PSP or PS Vita or the DS/3DS but I would still prefer bringing out my iPhone outside and playing on my iPhone.

The iPhone version is pretty good but the PC version is slightly better since that one has FMVs, slightly better audio quality, and slightly better controls.

I love the iPhone version but the PC version is where it's at.

>>4617036
how do i look up what jrpg's are on iOS?
i recently sold all my handhelds and the only games i've ever had on my phone are snake and 2048

>>4615638
Just play the rom like a normal functioning adult, just holy shit £11.99 for a wank phone port 23 year old snes game, square enix may get fucked, I won't give you the time of day if I see this shit in your library.

>>4617058
>Final Fantasy I - VII
>Final Fantasy IX
>Final Fantasy XV: Pocket Edition
>Final Fantasy Dimensions 1 and 2
>Chaos Rings 1 - 3 and Omega
>Chrono Trigger (the earlier release is a crappier port before they released an update alongside the PC version which made the iPhone port much better)
>Adventures of Mana (3D remake of Final Fantasy Adventure aka. Seiken Densetsu 1: Final Fantasy Gaiden, and is actually a much better remake than Secret of Mana HD, and this remake isn't on PC)
>Secret of Mana (original version, not the 3D remake on PS4, PS Vita and PC)
>Romancing SaGa 2 (Romancing SaGa 3 remake in development)
>Dragon Quest I - VIII (no English release of the iPhone version of VII yet)
>Lunar: Silver Star Story Touch
>Shin Megami Tensei I
>Vay

And maybe more.

>>4617050
Unless Ia going to travel somewhere far I’d rather not have to carry the systems when I could easily use my phone. I have my iPhone and a company phone so it’s not a big deal to worry about battery life or anything.

>>4617058
You can just type the name of the âme you like or want into the search and it should come up. You can also do company names as well. Just be careful when buying things because sometimes companies do not update their software to work with the new iOS updates. I bought a few games many years ago and I can no longer play them because of being forced, yes forced, to update my phone.

>>4617082
This.

>>4616603
>system prompt
Reminder that this company was once known for extremely polished games

>>4616538
Never filtered a trip so fast in my life lmao

>>4615819
That and most of the people that made the series actually good left a long while ago when Square Enix was Squaresoft and having financing problems.

>>4615641
Someone post some good looking RetroArch shaders, the one I'm using isn't 100% accurate.

The writter, composer and character designer are all active. In fact 2 of them work on Dragon Quest all the time.

>>4617338
To
>>4617249

>>4615646
>http://www.retrogameguide.com/images/screenshots/snes-chrono-trigger-4.jpg
them compshit-artifacts

>>4617305
CRT Halation is much better once you turn the halation down a notch or two.

>>4615737
>.FIG

>>4618039
you disapprove?

>>4615856
I don't know what you're talking about "filtering".
It's got redrawn sprites with more detail than the original.
I've got no dog in the fight either way. I don't even like Chrono Trigger that damn much but it really looks like you're complaining about nothing

>>4618137
>It's got redrawn sprites with more detail than the original.

>>4617305
>>4617596
CRT-Royale is the best but it's hard for a toaster

>>4618137
>It's got redrawn sprites with more detail than the original.

No it didn't .>>4618182
The shitty FF ports are the ones that got redrawn sprites, and they're horrifying. Probably the very reason SE didn't bother to give CT the same treatment. But merely throwing a filter over them isn't an improvement in itself.

>>4618203
I thought the PSP port of FF4 looked pretty good.

>>4618276
1, 2, and 4 were fairly solid, the worst I hear about them are vague "le rpg maker!!!", which feels more like it applies to the stale UI and colorization of overworld sprites.

>>4618276

I didn't care for them. I prefer my pixel perfect graphics. But to each his own.

I actually would have preferred that SE simply ported the game's original assets and throw some kind of border around the screen rather than upscale it to a different aspect ratio. I'm that much of a purist.

>>4615970
it was too tough for that faggot yathzee

>>4618524
Whos yatzhee? Another eceleb or a professional critic?

>>4618276
Yeah, this one felt like a proper graphical update.

But then they did a bunch of shit like >>4618203

>>4618039
That means he dumped it with a Pro Fighter copier. .Fig is one of those rare pirate formats that aren't supported in Higan anymore. Nothing wrong with it except that the presence of a header is bad for rom hacking and the game itself is still playable.

>>4618680
I unironically sang along to this.
As much as I liked the port, his review is gold.

>>4618276
Why does a creature with, presumably, one leg have an ass?

>>4618741

It's actually zero legs. But to answer your question, it's there for the same reason as all monster T&A, to distract its primary prey of human males.

>>4618719
Interesting. What's a header in this context— is there a more faithful current-day format?

I'm a pcfag and CT is the only bit of console emulation I ever did, which involved downloading that .FIG file and s9x some 18 years ago.

>>4618524
Jesus really? It's a fucking kids game.
>>4618524
Yeah, guy made some ok Adventure Game Studio games like "5 Days a Murder" but now does lets plays. At least he still does weekly "Zero Punctuation" animated reviews which can be amusing but he's such a flake in his opinion he could either make another video for CT saying it's great or one saying it's racist.

>>4618297
Simplest thing in the world to just gussy up the snes rom give it a few optional upgrades and release it for $5 but no it's lazy as fuck and then released for $15 to take advantage of the 1/3 people who might not return it

>>4618680
>he did not create an account named Gonzales for this review

>>4615641
>>4618182

>>4619569
Extra data added to a rom whenever an old floppy disk copier dumps it. The header contains parameters for getting that specific copier to run the game as well as locking the rom out from other copiers with competing formats. People nowadays want clean dumps without headers for legality reasons, rom hacking, and preservation. You never ever see them anymore since modern emulators don't use them and neither do flashcarts. All they do now is give rom hackers a hard time because they have to account for the header's presence and distribute two different patches. One for clean dumps and another for headers. By the way, you should really update that emulator. Snes emulation has advanced lightyears since then.

>>4620442
nes rom are still shipped with headers for practical reasons.

>>4619946
please free him from this suffering

What's the best way to play this on a TV with a controller? Is the DS version still the way to go?

>>4620631
>What's the best way to play this on a TV with a controller?

There was a PS1 release, you know. It has quite a bit of loading, but it's perfectly fine otherwise.

>>4620821
Is it better than the SNES and DS versions?

>>4621395

It's basically just a port of the SNES version, but with FMV scenes. The DS version is a port of the PS1 version, but it cuts out the loading times, adds a bonus dungeon and uses a different translation.

If you're trying to play the game on a console without having to fork over hundreds of dollars to resellers or Flash cart distributors, then a PS1 + Final Fantasy Chronicles would be a sane investment. Alternatively, I'm sure you can download the game from PSN. It should be a copy of the PS1 version.

>>4621407
I don't own any retro hardware so I'm planning to emulate. Assuming that'll solve the loading times, does that mean PS1 is the way to go?

>>4621481
No, play snes

>>4618524
Like the Son of the Sun or one of the sidequest bosses was hard for him or the actual main quest, because if it's the later that's just fucking sad.

>>4621490
Great, will do. Thanks anon.

>>4621512
Son of sun can be tough if you were retarded and sold your red mail or something.

It actually doesn't look too bad on a CRT PC monitor outputting 640x480.