/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4600735
starfox for burger, on snes you also have games like super castelvania 4, f-zero 1 & 2, super probotector, tiny toons etc using snes mode 7
>>4600738
i posted the pc engine cover but you should play the arcade version

proto fps like Duke nukem 3D are another example of sprites + actual 3D

>>4600726
>proto 3D

That's true 3D though? It's full blown software rendered polygons. If you're going to call it "proto 3D" at least be referring to something like Pole Position, or even Wolfenstien/DOOM style games.

In any case, if you just mean low resolution, low polygon count, low frame rate, untextured 3D, this is probably my favorite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWwtTX8xs4M

Phantasy Star

Escape the Mind Master
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yf430Ls7Ew

BLUE BALLS

>>4600726
"Flat-shaded" is what we basically called it.

Starglider II on the Atari ST is one of my favorite games of all time and was a huge influence on me. Had planet surfaces you could fly around full of weird ships and creatures and objects, tunnel systems to explore, you could fly right off the planet into space and zoom around the solar system in stardrive mode, fight space pirates and steal cargo to trade, skim the upper atmosphere of gas giants and witness flying mechanical space whales.. its designer Jez San later went on to help work on designing the Super FX chip for Nintendo that made Star Fox possible. He was awarded a knighthood and now he makes shitty cryptocurrency gambling games. Guess you gotta make a living somehow.

>>4600726
The very earliest examples of 3D games were IMO called vector graphics. At least the C64, Amiga and Multiformat Magazines called these vector graphics games.

And I'm talking about games like
• I, Robot (Atari Arcade) 1983
• The Sentinel (every single 8- and 16 Bit home computers) 1986
• the Freescape games from Incentive Software: like Driller (1987), Total Eclipse I & II (1988, 1990), Dark Side (1988) and as well their 3D Construction Kit (I still have the Amiga Version of the Kit)
• Hunter (Atari ST & Amiga, 1991) a Proto-Open-World Vector graphics game with many air-, water- and land vehicles years before GTA

>>4603440

>>4603442

>>4603451

>>4603457

Not a good game per se. Corporation was incredible slow on a bare Amiga 500. But it was impressive nevertheless.

>>4603442
This game should have been ported to the a800, 5200, and ST.

>>4603596
I understand it was a port, but comparing it to Zero Tolerance only 4 years later...man, what a difference that made for 3D in general.

>Mechwarrior 2
>Descent
>Tie Fighter
wtf

>>4600726
>proto 3D? or whatever you would call this
Not that

i would call it...
first person view

>>4603440
What’s the game in the webvm? That looks cool

>>4605213
As per the name of the webm, "Total Eclipse"

>>4600726
Enviro Bear 2000

>>4606258
not /vr/

(but totally awesome thanks!)

3D Trek for DOS

4d boxing, alpha waves by infogrames, tunnels of Armageddon,

enduro has a nice effect some other games include camanche and theres some olders ones using voxels on the atari 800 and c64 and also stunt car racer on c64 uses shapes to simulate polygons but they are not calculated as polygons

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=GtvIVQwdAeE

Stunts!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CITIXlw_T4

>>4603457
Hunter had some of the most amazing glitches I've ever seen in video games.

>>4603457
gta 3 before gta 3 :O

Not bad once you get used to the bizarre control scheme.

Also Zarch/Virus if you can get it to run.

>>4600726
Flashback is a good game. Uses a vector engine too.
And ecstatica uses blobs for 3d and 3d prerendered backgrounds before RE :D
Its very impressive

>>4606407
Oh, and The Colony.

Might be first 3d shooter

>>4603442
The robot's twitchy little arm dance when he wins always cracks me up

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>>4603314
Will be playing this soon.. Added to my list. Love games that let you explore planets and do things in space. Slowly amassing a collection of games that let you do similar.

>>4603440
>Total Eclipse
I haven't even thought about that game in over 20 years. That's weird as hell seeing that again. Also adding LHX to the thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC3OUrgf1Lg

>>4600726
I would even go as far as suggesting that the earliest (arcade) games quite naturally leaned more towards 3D gaming because of the very nature of the vector displays (oppose to raster) they used.

And thus the earliest proto 3D games usually were vector graphic games like the Atari ones
>>4603442

Or the wire frame Star Wars Arcade games. After those wire frame games driven by the vector displays, a game with filled vectors like "I, Robot" was quite an achivment.

Another World.

>>4600726
Test Drive 2 The Duel

>>4600735
Starfox is real 3D, it even uses real polygons unlike e.g. Doom.

>>4614285
Like Virtua Racing for Mega Drive.

>>4616108
Fastest 3d racing for a 16-bits, all hail BLAST PROCESSOR (and SVP)

Mah bois for this genre that i've recently found are both of the Star Cruiser games. Both were on PC98, but the Genesis port of 1 trumps the original game as it was released near 2 and plays more like it. Its original port used turnbased battles, which you can switch to in 2 if you desire, but the FPS gameplay is where it's at,

They're both really fun adventure shooters, with rpg elements, entire galaxies to fly through and land on. You can mine asteroids for ship fuel in space, and fight pirates (which earns you cash for ship upgrades in 2), and landing on planets switches you to a land tank, which you can explore towns and their surrounds and fight through mazelike dungeons as the plot allows. Despite the draw distance, these bits are a lot of fun and feel fastpaced and arcadey.

1's translated for Genesis. 2's translated for PC98 so follow the guide on the patch's site to get that hooked up.

Indy500 (DOS)

>>4617494
still bummed they didn't do a 3D Classics for this and a few other missed out on games from Sega, alas it was not to be.

>>4618098
damn the title music kicks ass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yND5V85iPHc

>>4600726
I'm just posting to say, even though Ocean's Robocop 3D sucked, the flying level was fucking awesome for back then.

For a computer widely derided as a eroge machine, Slip Stream '93 is basically PC-98's counterpart to Geoff Crammond's Grand Prix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVjwqfUyahM

Shame there's barely any gameplay footage of this.

Vroom on the amiga was pretty smooth - also being mouse controlled you had analogue acceleration and steering which was pretty cool.

Stuntcar racer also had great physics and was really immersive.

Would still love to play on a big screen or even vr.

>>4619275
Thats a great loop...

Any clones of the Star Wars arcade game for 16 bit systems? 8 bit systems had a few like Starstrike and Dark Star, but they didn't have the power to do the games justice.

>>4619275

Out of all the games in this thread, this one is the most fun to play today.

>>4619275

Woah, what version is this? Amiga? I had this for the c64 and while it was still a lot of fun, it wasn't nearly as fluid as that.

>>4619360

It's the Amiga version, but it's sped up. Look at the timer.

Does Odyssey by Car count?

>>4603457
was the video sped up or is the framerate just that good? genuinely amazed by this webm
Then again, >>4607386 looks more how I expect a 3D game that old to run
>>4619079
yes, SC music is absolutely fantastic

>>4619427
I sped up the video for most of the webm's I posted here with the exception of No Second Prize
>>4608506
That's the only one of the bunch that really was that fast.

The real (IMO acceptable) speed of Hunter can be seen here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA3pTA2DNhc
But usually those vector graphics games run much faster on the later Amiga models. The processor cache worked wonders on games like these. Not a 3D game, but Wing Commander was almost unplayable slow on an standard Amiga 500, while it was almost too fast on my vanilla Amiga 1200.

I just had to sped up those videos a bit, because otherwise you wouldn't see much of the gameplay, since most of the early 3D games indeed were really slow, especially the 8-bit versions. Hard Drivin' was the worst of those 3D games since it run and with single digit FPS on a C64. And the other ports weren't any good either.

>>4619527

>Hard Drivin' was the worst of those 3D games since it run and with single digit FPS on a C64

Some of the Freescape games ran at sub-1fps on C64, though at least those games were designed around it. It's funny reading reviews of Driller now, because they spent a large chunk of themselves patiently explaining the concept of a 3D camera and how you could have tens of thousands of "unique" scenes in just one game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmuHF06oJ6k

>>4619682
Is this for Amiga 500? Neat! Poor frame rate btw.

>>4618098
why do i keep dying in the first seconds of the first fight on the md version?

>>4619874
Amiga 500 (but I suspect the game runs faster on an Amiga 1200 upwards), Atari ST and DOS.

And indeed is this the frame rate when running on an A500.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdezNO-VLBQ

>>4619610
Is this really as good as I remember it being? It still looks fun as fuck.

>>4603442
Fuck, this game is really good.
>>4603554
The graphics in this blew my mind, even after I learned of all the various tricks it does.
>>4619527
god, I'm still appalled at some of the machines that Hard Drivin' even got ported to
playing it on the Genesis seemed fucking atrocious, and then I found out it got C64 and Game Boy ports (well, the sequel got a GB port), and there was no way any of the fucking 8-bit machines were going to handle it

Pic related is one, dont have any webbums though.

>>4620129
i suspect the framerate of the webm is deceitful. other than that i agree and wish games with such graphics were still a thing

>>4620530
This time I didn't alter the speed at all. But judging from the comments of the video I used, this speed was achieved by emulation and also because he used a patched WHDLoad version of the game to allow an almost unlocked frame rate that the original game didn't offer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbCjFiHfvg8

Back in the day I first played the game on an Amiga 500 with an expectable framerate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEr87kq8DBk

But indeed it looks like that game had/has a very active community with all sorts of patches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY39_a1DMMA

But again with those vector graphics games, the later Amiga models were better equipped for running this game. If I remember correctly it was after all very playable on my Amiga 1200 since even this lower end model had double the clock speed of the A500. And the processor cache also sped up such games immensely.

>>4619557
Driller was a good game.

>>4617494
Much better than super fx.

>>4600726
>proto 3D
it's just called 3D. where the fuck you get proto from?! ahaha. oh man this board cracks me up.

>>4603314
>"Flat-shaded" is what we basically called it.
nobody called it that.. maybe except you. it was 3D to everyone else. also, the ST version sucked compared to the amiga version (but.. everything about the ST sucks.. so.. )

>its designer Jez San later went on to help work on designing the Super FX chip
his company was going to build it for the snes since he was one of the first to pioneer 3D graphics for nes and gameboy, but nintendo did it on their own, using him only as a consultant.

>>4603440
> IMO
you're opinion is wrong. they were called 3D games back then too.

>>4626567
Indeed

>>4619610
Nice framerate, is this real?

Street Rod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd4VwxBObo0

>>4629978
It's emulated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbCjFiHfvg8

>WHDLoad version with F1GPed installed running under winuae.
http://www.amigaf1.co.uk/F1GP-Ed/F1GP-Ed.guide/main.html

You might get similar FPS on a faster Amiga with the same patch(es) to unlock the framerate.

rotox

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqmQUfTbkYA

>>4630254
fun game

i would buy all these games if they were remade at 60 fps