/vr/ - Retro Games

Any modifications to any system is butchering it so that it is no longer authentic, so you may as well just emulate.

>>4600585

I took my Japanese Ocean Blue PS2, and my NA black PS2 and swapped the boards and optical drives so I could have an NA Ocean Blue. I guess that's butchering and I might as well just emulate.

>>4600585
>emulating anything after SNES
ya right

>>4600582
Dude cancel that shit asap. I mean like A FUCKING SAP! Ultra hdmi from badass consoles is a scam. Check out badassconsoles twitter and every tweet posted to him is asking for a refund or a status update on orders made from 6+ months ago.

I ordered a GCN hdmi mod more than a year ago and still haven't gotten word about it. Not only that but I've placed an ultra hdmi mod a year ago and still haven't even been contacted to send in my console even after reaching out to him. Only response I got was that the line was long for installations and yet I'm like one of the lowest numbers in line for it.

Dudes the biggest scammer around. Don't take my word for it just check his twitter.

>>4600646
Ordered from GameTechUS

>>4600649
Phew good on you man. I'm pretty sure I wasted 300+ with badass consoles. Sucks I'll never get my money back since it's been over a year. PayPal or my cc company won't refund that shit.

>>4600582
only mod worth doing is RGB out. you can convert it to hdmi or whatever later if you really need it. doing a hdmi mod is a waste of time as old consoles were never designed for today's screens. they were designed for CRT.

>>4600653
Digital audio

>>4600656
> DIGITAL audio
please tell me you are joking xD .. you do know that most the audio chips (if not all) of these consoles only have an analogue out, right? you're just converting an analogue signal to digital, complete with noise floor and flaws.

i swear most of you here live in the world of fantasy and the make believe.

>>4600651

There're a million places that sell HDMI kits. Not just BAC.
But I'm in the same boat you're in about the GC shit. But my N64 was modded by him. It took about a month. Some people got it in a week.
He's a huge fucking flake, not an intentional scam artist. You'll get your shit and/or refund, it'll just take another 6 months probably. Only because I expect he'll go faster once his GCvideoX beta is over. "Faster" meaning, less than a year.
I won't do business with him again, but don't sweat it too hard. You'll probably find a refund unexpectedly sometime at the end of the year or something.

>>4600660

Are you fucking retarded? Even the SNES had digital out from the chip. The N64 definitely did.

>>4600668
snes and n64 had analogue out, genius.

> be you
> knowing nothing about everything

>>4600671

From the chip you fuck. Both the SNES and N64 generated a digital audio signal that was converted to analogue and sent to the multiout. Since an UltraHDMI is soldered directly to the chip, it takes those digital signals and outputs them digitally. It's the same shit with a SNES digital audio mod, it takes the digital signal from the audio chip and you sent it to a optical out that you install somewhere in the case.

Now if you were talking about say, the Sega Genesis you'd be right, those sound chips are analogue only.

Fuck, it's worse than talking to a child. Why are you even on this fucking board. Jesus. This is basic fucking shit.

>>4600661
Yea I was just young dumb and full of cum back then. I thought he was like the most legit place to get it done because all he would do is talk shit about other modders during his streams.

What really grinds my gears is that he opened orders for ultra hdmi, I placed my order, then 3 months later he opens order for more ultra hdmi's. Like he wasn't even done with the first batch and he's taking more orders already. What a fucking joke.

The GC mod sucks equally as hard because first he offers the mod. Then almost a year later he says you know what, none of you asked for this but I'm going to start devoting time to making a different external version of the mod you guys paid for. But don't worry everything will be out real soon and I'll talk about it on interview.

Fuck that guy I'm never doing business again with him like you. If I ever get my mods done I'm going to ups him a 64 filled with my own shit

>>4600585
Video mods out the ass? Might as well. If you don't want authentic why drop the cash. Emulation will do that shit fine or better with less hassle than a modified console, save for N64 and PS2 being a bit finicky to emulate without a good computer behind them. You go authentic for 100% compatability, AND what the intended video output was. Going beyond those restrictions reveals any flaws or tricks the developer may have used.

>>4600624
This isn't modding, just a personal preference to change case. All OEM parts.

The only time you should mod is to allow the system to play more games ie: region restriction removal, backup playable, HDD storage for Xbox and PS2 (for retro stuff) etc.

>>4600629
You know you can emulate n64 Gamecube and wii almost perfectly these days same goes for psx.

>>4600582
hdmi mods i just dont get. input lag is real and ruins the fun. if you're not playing on a CRT you're not doing it right. RBG im indifferent on, most of my modded systems are 2nd gen systems modded for composite.

>>4600732

Input lag for HDMI mods is like a few milliseconds, and that's from the upscaling not any conversion. Literally negligible. No humans could tell.

And you know, I have a pvmeme and I play on it all the time, but I'm getting pretty sick of this "you gotta play it my way or else you're WRONG" mentality. Some people don't give a fuck. Some people don't want a huge heavy box taking up room in their house. An UltraHDMI is a convenient and easy way to play a real N64 on a modern display.

>>4600739
Also multiplayer on a crt is cool and all but sometimes my friends want to actually see what's going on during a 4 player split screen game on my 36inch. It'd be nice to use my 50 inch during those times

>>4600739
its one thing to say that. i was playing on a 100hz CRT TV with no processing, literally 1 frame of lag. I recently got a 60hz CRT and ive found that when playing games like contra hard corps on genesis or shmups i do much better with 0 frames of lag. i understand that you can't "tell" that its lagging but when you're playing i would swear on a stack of bibles that you are more in the moment and able to do better and rely less on memorization on a pure 60hz CRT. im open minded and maybe im wrong but my experience tells me its the true way to play

>>4600747
I find that 2 or 4 player split screen on my 34" CRT 4:3 is fine. but i would love to try OSSC on my 65" LCD, if everyone is handicapped by a tiny bit of input lag then its probably still shit loads of fun

>>4600770

Most people can't tell until it hits about 3 frames, and anything above 5 frames most people can tell, even casuals. But the UltraHDMI is less than 1 frame. Not even a little less, like, significantly less.

No, the lag you're going to get from the UltraHDMI is just the TV, because that's just the nature of modern displays. Even the best low input latency TV's tend to hover around 1 frame, and that's like, the very best you can find. Even then though, I have high hopes for that 65 inch PC monitor Nvidia announced. PC monitors can have extremely low latency, so that an UltraHDMI plus a good monitor can still be less than one frame.

But look man, when you're talking "less than one frame" you're splitting hairs and I don't care how godlike you are, you can't tell at that point. I mean, I feel you, I use a PVMeme because I want no lag, but I've also used a framemeister which is about 2 frames, with a good TV with a native 1080p resolution, so it stuck to about 2 frames. I didn't notice shit, but I was just playing castlevania. Maybe you're just better than me. Either way, some people can't tell or don't care until it hits that 5 frames threshhold.

>>4600783
oh no I agree with you completely. I don't "feel" the input lag. when its a few frames, but I find that I do VERY better at playing games without it. what I'm suggesting is not that you find the games less playable or realize there is lag, what i am suggesting is that you actually perform better with 0 lag. I've beat megaman 1-3 and no deathed contra on my 1 frame lag TV, dont get me wrong I love it. (still working on castlevania and ninja gaiden though lol) Maybe im totally wrong and im open to that, I just can't ignore that playing a new game that is based on very fast reaction times I do VERY better on a zero lag TV and I don't think its a feeling thing I think it really does improve reaction time. I certainly don't have "god like" skills. I'd love to see a double blind study testing this.

>>4600582
>retro RGB

>>4600793
not to get too philosphical about this but we already know that decisions are made in the brain before conciousness can actually give us the "illusion" that we've made the choice, and conciousness largely justifies the decision and tells us "why" we made the choice we made. I don't think its outside of the realm of possibilities that our brains are acting faster than we can process this and that 0 frames of lag can improve performance on fast reaction time games.

>>4600770
It's a good thing you're open minded because you're wrong.
>>4600772
2 player is ok on the 36 but 4 player gets pretty squished especially when stuff like huds start filling your screen. I just want to have the option to be able to play on my 50 inch since it's right there above my 36. My LCD has some pretty damn low input lag when I get all the settings right so I'm happy about that.

>>4600793

I beat Castlevania with that framemeister. It took me like, four days. Not solid playing, but maybe a couple hours each day. I was so fucking hyped when I finally beat it. On my CRT now, I can beat it regularly. Still havn't gotten past Ninja Gaiden though, I get frustrated at the boss at 4-4.

>>4600816
lol i hope you can appreciate that just saying im wrong doesnt actually mean i am.

Bro, I'd love to have you over on my set up to try out fast reaction games going to a LCD, 100hz CRT and60 hz CRT just to look at different screen whiles you're playing and see if you do better based on which screen you look at. I would love to be wrong but I seriously think it makes a difference.

>>4600821
im not saying that its not able to be done to beat these games with some lag. I'm just saying its more about memorization than reaction time. the farthest I've got in castlevania is the last level but I didnt spend a lot of time on it lol. I suffer from that too many games to chose from thing, and i mostley play 2600, 5200 and genesis these days.

>>4600826
Ok Clark Kent

>>4600832
well I just hope you have fun playing games. no hard feelings man :)

>>4600831

Oh no that's not what I meant. You just said you hadn't beaten Castlevania, and I'd mentioned playing Castlevania on a framemeister. I was just saying I beat it on a framemeister. At the time I didn't own it so I had to play it at a friend's house. I wasn't talking about this lag thing anymore, just games.

I too suffer from too many games syndrome. I don't like to juggle too many that I havn't beaten yet. The one that's REALLY grinding my gears is SMB2j. I can get to world 5 if I put in some time, but then I have to turn off the console. I'm not playing lost levels so there's no saving outside of saving the stars. Heaven help me, I do want 8 stars eventually.

>>4600703
>n64

You, sir, are and idiot.

>>4600975
>Idiot
If the game Sin and Punishment can be translated by fans into English successfully, why not N64 emulation overall? PJ64 and Angrylion are still not accurate as Higan and snes9x are for the SNES scene, but COME ON!

>>4600582

Not much of a fan of N64, but the only way I could play it again is with the HDMI mod that handles the awful blur much better than before.

I think they’re for autistic faggots.

>>4600582
I am okay with them most of the time.
And the video improvement is really worth it.

I play on a BVM so I usually use RGB.

I wish the Ultra HDMI mod can output 240p/480i via HDMI without scaling for converting to HD-SDI for BVMs.
The GCVideo can output 240p via HDMI and it looks amazing on my BVM.
That will be the ultimate experience for N64: scanlines on a CRT while being the purest digital output and not being converted to analog before the output.

I also wished that the Analogue Nt Mini and the Super Nt can output 240p 60.09hz via HDMI for HD-SDI conversion and connecting to a BVM with the purest digital source.

Only system I don't like modding for HDMI or RGB is the NES/Famicom, and even then, I keep wavering between liking it and not.

>>4600582
What you're describing isn't "video quality improvement" it's making dads toys work with babies TV.

>>4600624
>i took my /v/ post and posted it on /vr/

i've just decided that drilling holes is not that big of a deal if the holes line up with the rest of the system, a few people even did it back in the day. Its not like i'm going to sell my consoles for a big profit

>>4600671
Check the chip idiot. The SNES apu puts out 32khz raw pcm

I just made and installed the DIY amp mod listed here: http://retrorgb.com/n64rgb.html It was very easy and I only had to order the .1uf capacitor since I already had the other components.

I had and was happy with s video but I needed rgb to connect to my new bvm. My pvm had s video inputs but the new bvm did not.

The mod went really smoothly with no irreversible damage to the console, you can literally desolder 8 wires and it's stock again. The console still outputs all the ways it did before.

On my 20" pvm, rgb does look a bit better, but nothing major. The main improvement is slightly better brightness levels. The s video was a touch too dark, but this may have to do with the pvm more than the s video format itself. I can't really say, but the colors MIGHT be better, but it may just be a placebo effect.

All in all, it's super cheap, reversible, clean, and lets me hook it to my bvm that is without s video input.

I prefer CRT so I can't really comment on the hdmi board.

>>4602445
Where/how did you get GCvideo

>>4600582
>RGB mods
The vast majority of consoles already output RGB so it's dumb.
>HDMI
kill it with fire

>>4600582
That's horrendous. Why wouldn't you just use an adapter like a rational person?

>>4600624
you know exactly what he meant. stop acting retardedu

>>4600582
I prefer to use non-HD consoles in a CRT using component cables, just mod the old one that doesn't have it.

>>4600585
>my chipped PS1 and region modded mega drive are as authentic as emulators
Dag, better chuck them in the trash then.

Some of you are actually retarded. Restoring rgb on a snes jr isn’t invasive at all. Hurrr you might as well just emulate even though the revision before this had rgb. The snes jr even has the chip for rgb. All you have to do is solder 4 wires.

I modded my SNES with a digital spdif chip and no problems so far. Purists need to chill out

Are the Wii and Gamecube's Component cables analogue or digital?

>>4600651
You should be totally covered by PayPal, and you can do a chargeback if needed.

>>4603295
Wii: Analog
GameCube: Digital converted to analog by the cable, hence it being so expensive

You people are fucking retards. Just use the best native output a console can provide, it's literally what the developers intended.

>>4601004
>settling for anything less than 100% compatibility
ISHYGDDT

>>4603302
>i don't have a credit card
18+

>>4601004
>equating fan translations with emulation quality
Why is everyone on this board so fucking retarded?

>>4604202
that explains why GC has a better quality video signal