/vr/ - Retro Games

Stop remaking this shill thread over and over. Nobody cares about emulation box #2984718952842.

>>4593603
>8bitshitdo controller

>>4593615

I mean, I'm following it. Get them cores out. Can it run SA1 games from SD? Super FX?

>>4593603
I think my wife's bull is interested in one.

>$40 shipping
>no controller
>"pack in" game is a rom with an empty box
>doesn't look any better than a 1chip
It's ok, but they made a lot of really bad decisions with this thing.

I would buy it if I had the money, just to have a super nintendo. I have one but it's a bit fucky. Actually, what the fuck, I like CRT's, I should just buy a new super nintendo for way cheaper. And mod my snes classic mini to play some roms.

It's the best SNES. It shits on others and people who complain are poor neets.

It's literally just a SNES except it costs four times as much as a SNES.

Why?

>$190 for $8 worth of hardware
>doesn't come with a controller

>>4593853
>calls it the best
>says he hates it
what?

>>4593621
No.
It doesn't have the special chips on board, so it would require the cartridges to provide that functionality.

>>4593873
$190 + $30 controller + $40 shipping + tip

>>4593897
Jesus fucking christ. What a rip off

>>4593897
+ customs

>>4593745
This. I'm sure it's totally worth it if you game on flat panels and already have a sizable collection.

I'm aware of the recent jailbreak that lets you load roms, and while it's a start, id rather wait for Kevtris to write his own fancier jailbreak firmware with more features. If this happens and we get perfect SA-1 & SuperFX compatibility without needing carts on top of those cores he wrote for the NT Mini, then it'd be worth buying imo.

>>4593913
>id rather wait for Kevtris to write his own fancier jailbreak firmware with more features.
not gonna happen

>>4593912
+ Tax

>>4593920
>not gonna happen
Guess i'll stick with Higan via RA if that's so

>>4593615
>emulation box

It is not emulation it is hardware simulation. Learn the difference, it could save your life.

>>4593968
Ain't fpgas just emulation, done in hardware level(since it replicates the functionality of various chipsets on the SNES/SFC on the fpga)? Can they be called hardware clones? Because you're running things on bare metal still, you really aren't simulating anything?

>>4593810
If you already have a snes classic what would you need this piece of crap for?

I don't know about you guys but I just hooked up a pc to my tv. Now I can play whatever I want on it. In HD. And use savestates. And play translation hacks, homebrews and whatnot.

>but I don't want to hook up a pc, it looks ugly in my living room. I want a cool slick memebox for my wife.

Then have fun spending 4x more than everyone else like all the good hipsters do.

>>4594021
Stick PCs or Mini ITX PCs can look cool and emulate SNES perfectly I think.

>>4593980
It doesn't emulate any special chips, only the SNES hardware

>>4593980
Yes it’s a hardware clone as every component is ‘cloned’ to a highly accurate degree, and every component is interacting the same way as the original, in parallel. There is no code running and doing calculations whilst gameplay is in progress.

>>4594057
Yeah, that's what I was talking about, since from my understanding they're doing the ppu, cpu, cic and all that jazz found on the system on the fpga level. The special chips like dsp-1 or superfx are on the cartridges so I guess they could potentially be emulated paralllel on the fpga's implementation of system bus, but I'm not too familiar with fpga design to say how feasible it'd be actually with the fpga they've chosen for the system.

>>4594009
>advocating use of the SNES classic whilst calling the Super NT a piece of crap

Seriously, if the Super NT was $50 everyone would be loving it but since vr is full of underage and neets that would have to sell their ass to buy one - even though $190 is hardly expensive - they have to shit on it at every opportunity. Most complaints are just nit picky shit that don’t stand up to any real objective scrutiny.

>>4593883
The Super Everdrive and the SD2SNES don't have special chips on board, they simulate them with their FPGAs.

>>4594160
But it doesn't support SA1 or SFX, so there goes some of the best games on the system

>>4594168
SD2SNES does support SA1. Are you saying you've personally tested Super Mario RPG on the Super NT's jailbreak?

Oh I see the reddit thread has more concrete information than we do. Disappointing but I guess we might as well quit our discussion on it here since >>4594118 seems to be correct in his estimation of the prevailing themes itt.

Does anybody here have a legitimate Ninja Warriors cart and a Super NT? I have a repro cart and the sprites act all glitchy and it randomly hard-locks. I'm curious if it's my cart or just the game in general because I can't afford the real game

>>4594238
I don't have a legit cart but I'll test it on SD2SNES when I get chance.

>>4593603
They should distribute a cd-rom version.

>>4594238
From kevtris:

>the "fix" I did for mecarobot golf broke it a bit. I have figured out the issue though so the next fw should fix it. They attempt to turn hdma's off right at the point they start (similar to golf).

>>4593880

Can you read?

>>4594267
Do you have a link to that? I believe you I just want to read the context of the thread it was in

>>4594118

This.
Most of the /vr/igins here bitching about it don't even know wtf they're talking about.

>>4594259
i hope kevtris will one day make it real

>>4594291
>Let me baselessly insult everyone who doesn't want to buy my shitty Famiclone, thereby alienating any potential customerbase I might have had!

This isn't a very good sales tactic, you know. I would advise you to hire a PR person rather than taking to social media yourself.

>>4594294
The SNES CD system would have likely functioned much like the Sega/Mega CD, with CD-quality music and animated cutscenes. In that sense, isn't the SD2SNES MSU1 filling the same need?

>>4594307
Disks would be a fun way to distribute homebrews.

>>4594173
>SD2SNES does support SA1.
why are you lying on the internet?

>>4594325
it's babbage

>>4593720
Surprised he's not more of a Sega guy

I know I'm an idiot, but might as well ask. I notice it has no eject button. Do you just gently pull to remove carts? How much force does it take?

>>4594356
>Do you just gently pull to remove carts?
Yes.

>How much force does it take?
Very little, probably less than an SNS-101.

>>4594369
Thanks. I just wanted to know to make sure I don't fuck anything up when I get it. Odd how no review of the damn thing on YouTube shows anyone inserting or removing carts.

These seem pointless. Just use emulators ffs.

>>4594302
It’s obviously working as both 1st and 2nd runs have completely sold out. Same with the NT mini. So much for a shitty Famiclone!

>>4594378
Perhaps you should look further into it then rather than dropping an uninformed comment 30 seconds after coming across the thing for the first time.

>>4593603
Literally soytech. Just buy an original SNES.

>>4594392
Think of this as an original SNES with a built in high quality lag-free upscaler

whats the point of spending 200 dollars to "replicate" the feel of an original snes on a hdtv? doesnt it playing in resolutions over 480p destroys the whole point of retrogaming?

>>4594402
No

>>4594394
Also included with patched Firmware: Flashcard

i don't think it should be called an NT if doesn't use real snes parts like the original nes version of nt

i want real parts gutted from real snes not fpga

>>4594374

I actually didn't think of it until taking the cart out. I've been playing SMW and when I went to remove it I was like, "Wait. I just pull it out, right?"

Very little force required, but an eject button would've been neat.

>>4594418
Gutting consoles is a war crime

>>4594418
>i want real parts gutted from real snes not fpga

This was pretty much the very original NT, it used gutted components from Famicoms in bad physical shape. FPGAs are perfectly fine when in capable hands, just look at the NT Mini. It looks amazing, sans the price.

I'll take well crafted FPGA cores over some laggy-ass Chinese Android box.

>>4594425
Does it turn right off with a single push of the power button? I want to know how easy that is.

>>4594431
you really play the game don't you

>>4594325
>>4594332
Sorry, I was thought they had managed SA-1 compatibility now and only Super FX remained. Why do people buy SD2SNES?

>>4594160
>>4594168
>>4594173
>>4594325
>>4594332
>>4594460
https://sd2snes.de/blog/compatibility
https://sd2snes.de/blog/status

You fucking retards.

>>4594460
Instant loading vs 30s to 2 minutes loading on Super Everdrive

>>4593603
It's a nice looking clone console. I'm impressed that its own original hardware that tries to replicate an actual SNES. The console is $190 sort of like how the original SNES was around the same price, though the huge let down is that the console it self does not come bundled with two wireless 8-bit controllers and another thing is that the controllers are $40 each which they should be $25 instead and the fact that the shipping is $40 alone you're talking 190+40x2(controllers if you want another)+40 shipping=$310 so if you're a guy who likes to burn holes in his wallet, go for it. Other wise, take my advice and stick with emulators or original hardware, the NT is not worth the money due to it being a clone console and that everything is over priced. Be the smarter guy.

The NT will be nice once the actual SNESes are all dying, but for now they are somewhat useless. Super Famicoms are cheap and plentiful, and mostly reliable.

>>4594512
You know it's compatible with original controllers, right?

>>4594540
>You know it's compatible with original controllers, right?
Yes I obviously know that because I own a original snes. my point was that if someone is new to retro gaming and don't know anything about the original snes would be one of those buyers that buys over priced clone consoles such as the NT and the wireless controllers

>>4594534
Well the Super NT is closed source anyway, so it's not a long term solution. Just the same exact problem repeated.

>>4593859
If you're looking for good picture from snes on a modern tv then you either buy the super nt or
>fight the bid wars on iffy one chip snes or snes jr on ebay
>rgb mod it, hope you dont fuck it up or pay a premium to have someone do it for you
>over pay for a framemister or wait for an ossc when they open the preorder for the next batch.

The super nt is 229 shipped and is pretty much ready out of box. You'll still need a controller so if you don't have one laying around add 10 bucks for a original controller or blow 40 bucks on the 8bitdo. So 229-270 for a super nt. the ossc costs 230 shipped and you still need to get a one chip and a rgb mod and pay for shipping. Also have to pay to ship it out if you can't diy.

Or you could avoid all of that and get any super nintendo you can get your hands on, pick up a crt with s video from the crub, and splerg on a nice s video cable.

>>4594394
>lie to yourself to justify the price tag

>>4594118
>Seriously, if the Super NT was $50 everyone would be loving it
And if aunt had a dick she'd my uncle.

>>4594557
I thought they'd open the source of the cores, if they don't it's pretty useless, desu.

>>4594560
The SNES is already RGB capable without mods, just saying.

I already have an OG SNES and framemeister but bought the Super NT anyway. If Analogue do a Genesis clone I’ll no doubt buy one and sell the Framemeister as I only use it for those two consoles.

>>4594560
A one chip is still way cheaper than this shit, and if you're not going to play on a CRT why even bother with physical hardware?

>>4594584
Sorry, just remembered the SNESJr doesn’t have RGB

>>4594590
I love how butthurt poorfags and purists get over the Super NT and NT mini, they have to go on the offensive with the most ridiculous shit.

>>4594590
Yeah a 1chip is cheaper but its not going to upscale at all. The whole post hinged on the condition of "IF you're looking to get good picture from snes on a modern tv". If you actually just want to play and could care less about shorp pixuls then stick the yellow plug in anything that will accept a 240p signal

>>4594596
>I wear a fake Rolex
>but I paid more than I would've spent on a real Rolex!
>only poorfags and purists buy a real Rolex

How do you like your emulation, with dropped frames or screen tearing?

>>4594387

>Sales inflation is not a thing

Nintendo did the same thing with SNES sales figures. Who knows how many SNES units were actually shipped.

Your marketing strategy sucks. But you're more than welcome to continue wasting your time shitposting on a Cantonese cartoon board about how we're all just a bunch of poorfags.

>>4594635
You forgot the zero delay buffer mode that runs slightly slower at 60.00hz compared to the actual 60.08hz of an snes.

Honestly it was never going to be perfect but if you really care about loosing less than a second of your life every ten minutes while play video games then stick to original hardware

>>4594650
>2018
>can’t even emulate snes games correctly
>into the trash it goes

>>4594629
Absolutely terrible analogy. We’re not talking high end watches here, we’re talking about two boxes that play video games and are pretty much on par in terms of quality except the ‘fake’ has even more features.

>>4594641
I know it hurts, I’m sorry (I’m not sorry).

>>4594659
You’re grasping really hard m8

>>4594596
The NT Mini is extremely overpriced for what it is, though. No matter how good it is, it's still a fucking NES with a multitap you're probably not going to use jammed into it that costs the same as a PS4 PRO. That's absurd.

The Super NT is priced fine for what it does, though.

>>4594548
>if someone is new to retro gaming and don't know anything about the original snes would be one of those buyers that buys over priced clone consoles such as the NT and the wireless controllers
>buys over priced clone consoles

Say, what is your opinion Classic Mini versions of NES and SNES and the length of their controller cords?

>>4593603
the price is a joke but the hardware looks cool

has turrican been dumped yet?

>>4594670
More like
>I think I'm going to buy a new Tesla
>You should just buy a 94 Z06 and modify it with the money you save

>>4594670 #
More like
>I think I'm going to buy a new Tesla
>You should just buy a 91 Z06 and modify it with the money you save

>>4593913
>we get perfect SA-1 & SuperFX compatibility without needing carts

Is this even a possibility? I feel like this is something that'll never happen

>>4593603
It's a better investment than what faggots like this do >>4594898

>>4595031
The SNES Mini is a pretty good value for what it is, both immediately accessible and moderately expandable. They're just two different things. I mean, I have a fox body but maybe someday I'll switch to an LSX

>>4595039
>I have a fox body but maybe someday I'll switch to an LSX

wut?

>>4594173
No SA1 or SuperFX support

>>4594698
personally, I prefer the original hardware over the classic, the NT is pretty much close to the original hardware because it allows you to use old snes controllers and physical carts, it has its own mobo with a cpu very close to the SNES, As I said before, for anyone who is "new" to retro gaming would probably not want to spend $190 for a snes clone and when it comes to finding the original games, you're lucky if you have a retro game store in your town that sells classic games, buying a NT and not being able to get old carts leaves a new retro gamer dead in the water, (if you already have old snes carts and you just want a new snes and cant fix your original or find a used or new original snes then the NT is OK) but as I said, NT is not worth the money due to it being the price and shipping its set at. you're better off with Emulation such as the classic or emulators on the pc with a usb snes controller until the price of the NT goes down.

>>4594698
I forgot about the snes classic cords, yeah the snes classic really ruined the "classic" impression by making fake controller ports that flip down to reveal Switch controller ports and the snes classic controllers are alright but the plugs and ports really disappointed me

>>4595031
Why would anybody buy anything when they can just use a raspberry bi?
Idiot.

>>4595067
I'm still on the car analogy. Fox body is the platform best known for the 79-93 Mustang with the venerable Windsor 302 engine commonly called 5.0 in that platform and by Vanilla Ice. LSx (LS1-7) is the V8 engine GM put into their sports cars in the 90s and 00s. Both are great platforms, reliable with incredible aftermarket support. LSx is newer with much greater potential but fox is cheaper with adequate capabilities to satisfy me at my current level in the hobby.

>>4595126
You're still a faggot

>>4595039
>The SNES Mini is a pretty good value for what it is
No it fucking isn't. The emulation is garbage and it barely has compatibility even after hacking. For half the price you can get a Pi computer with far greater accuracy and compatibility than a Nintendo emu shit box.
>moderately expandable
Once again, no it isn't. The emulation even after hacking is still trash. SNES9X is more fucking accurate and compatible than a SNES mini.

>>4595109
rapsery bile is a beach of soot

>>4595126
>>4595039
Also take off your fucking trip considering what a dumb nigger you are.

>>4595153
>For half the price you can get a Pi
No, you can't

>>4595160
Yes, you can, dumb fuck.
https://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Complete-Kit-Premium-Essential-Accessories/dp/B0748M1Z1B/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1518914142&sr=8-4&keywords=pi+computer&dpID=51GPEuxDZgL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

https://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Computer-Performance-Anodized-Heatsink/dp/B01KGMMI1A/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1518914142&sr=8-5&keywords=pi+computer&dpID=4195-G6kLyL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

>>4595171
raspberry pi is for breadboards, not games

>>4593980
You're not wrong.

>>4595160

I got a complete Pi3 kit for USD$30. But they suck at emulation since the only thing available is Retroarch. The input lag is outrageous.

>>4594659
Stop using the same picture for your shit posts. You're making it very obvious.

>>4595171
A Raspberry Pi Zero is considerably less powerful than an SNES Mini and that listing does not include controllers either. The Raspberry Pi 3 is PCB only. I suspect you don't really know what you're talking about.

A complete RPi with comparable specs and two SNES style controllers will cost $50-$65 depending on quality of controllers (SNES Minis are very good).

Yes, that's still less than an SNES Mini but some many people will find the SNES Mini to be worth the extra $20 for many rational reasons. Maybe they don't know how to assemble and install. Maybe their time is worth more than that to them. Maybe they want a real Nintendo product.

I personally find Wii fits the "little emu box" slot best for me but I'm not calling people with slightly different priorities retarded and I'm certainly not suggesting the Super NT is in the same category.

>>4595189
>The input lag is outrageous.
I've heard that

>>4595197
>A complete RPi with comparable specs and two SNES style controllers will cost $50-$65
And would you look at that, it's cheaper than Nintendos shitty emubox.
https://www.amazon.com/Super-NES-Classic-nintendo/dp/B0721GGGS9/ref=sr_1_3?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1518916191&sr=1-3&keywords=snes+mini

>some many people will find the SNES Mini to be worth the extra $20 for many rational reasons.
Being retarded isn't rational.
>Maybe they don't know how to assemble and install. Maybe their time is worth more than that to them.
These are same people who need a care taker because they can't dress themselves in the morning. Setting up a pi takes less than an hour.
>Maybe they want a real Nintendo product.
>he thinks "official" means "good"
The Virtual Console's emulation quality disproves that.

>>4595240
Your original assertion was that it costs half. It definitely costs more than that. It's also very telling about you that you think an hour of your labor isn't worth $20.

>>4595248
>It's also very telling about you that you think an hour of your labor isn't worth $20.
It's very telling that you defend normalfags wasting money on trash products when you could just educate on why a Pi is an all around better product than Nintedo's trash products. I'm sorry setting up cheap electronics fries your tiny chimp brain like a grandmother checking her e-mail inbox. Perhaps reddit is more your speed.

>>4595261
I don't really think a Pi is a very good product for anything other than novelty and poorfags, especially ones who want to try to feel smarter than their betters because they can snap together legos and copy a file.

>>4595275
>I don't really think a Pi is a very good product for anything other than novelty and poorfags
And the SNES Mini isn't a good option for anyone, especially ones who want compatibility with all their favorite games with no accuracy issues because they want to experience they enjoyed when they were 6.

Thanks for posting with a trip so we'll know to avoid whatever retarded bullshit you post.

>>4595275
Also did it ever occur to you the amount of time and "labor" it takes to hack the SNES Mini to play more games, even though compatibility is still lower than that of other emulators?

I hope this has been an educational experience in showing fucktard you truly are, tripfag.

>>4595378
It's good for casuals who want something cheap and easy. You think it makes you happy to feel irrationally superior to people like that but actually it's part of why you're unhappy.

>>4594583
If they open sourced it I guarantee we'd see chinese clones of it for more like 50USD.

>>4594746
Electric converted Z06 would be pretty sweet t b h

>>4595386
The Jack DIY 2 is about the same price as the Super NT although we may see it drop some in response

>>4595391
It wouldn't be competitive, you can only fit a single electric motor in an ICE conversion, while a Tesla has one for each wheel as part of its design.

>>4595385
>It's good for casuals who want something cheap and easy
>cheap
>when we've already established a Pi is far cheaper for what you can do
You're kind of a moron aren't you?
>You think it makes you happy to feel irrationally superior to people like that
Being smart with money and not wasting it on gimmicky broken bullshit does make you better than people who waste money on that shit, sorry if the buyer's remorse is setting in.
>it's part of why you're unhappy.
Nice projection, sorry I've made you realize the Shit Mini isn't worth it. Maybe you'll know now to do your research before wasting your cash.

>>4595401
A dual electric motor Z06 conversion already exists. https://www.forbes.com/sites/lianeyvkoff/2016/07/31/at-205-6-mph-an-electric-corvette-z06-sets-a-new-record/#9f174b85db4a

The Pi is absolutely fucking garbage for emulation, not sure why people keep suggesting it. Even the SNES mini comes with less input lag. Retroarch on the Pi is unplayable in comparison

>>4595197
If you want to be pedantic about SNES mini comparable performance there are lots of other chink SBPCs you can use, https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Banana-Pi-M2-BPI-M2-Berry-Quad-Core-cortex-A7-CPU-1G-DDR-demo-Single/32825486649.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10342_10547_10325_10343_10546_10340_10548_10341_10084_10083_10618_10307_5722316_5711211_10313_10059_10534_100031_10629_10103_10626_10625_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620_10142,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_7&algo_expid=ecfd38e2-9982-45c9-a3c7-002621b9db1b-0&algo_pvid=ecfd38e2-9982-45c9-a3c7-002621b9db1b&priceBeautifyAB=0

>>4595407
Shit. I don't know my /o/ nearly as well as my /vr/ (or /ck/). I stand corrected that's very impressive. Probably has a range of about 200 miles on a charge but I don't drive my fun car more than that at a time.

>>4595403
I don't have an SNES Mini or a Raspberry Pi and have never even seen either one in person. But okay. You win. Print this post out and keep it close to your heart.

>>4595419
Well yes. I can agree with that when we're talking raw performance, convenience notwithstanding. I actually have my most powerful PC hooked up to my biggest display already though. Most of the time it plays kids shows.

>emulation box #2984718952842
>$40 shipping
>no controller
>"pack in" game is a rom with an empty box
>It's literally just a SNES except it costs four times as much as a SNES
>These seem pointless. Just use emulators ffs.
>BAWWWW, it's too expensive!!!!1!
>etc...

I like how when I asked about what the point of SNES Classic Mini if you already owned a SNES and a Flash Cart and/or a decently sized collection of SNES games you fags defended it like it was the best thing ever when that thing literally is an emulator box, comes with shitty controllers with ridiculously short cords (not to mention that idiotic fake controller port thing at the front), costs an arm a leg and your left nut, is fucking pointless compared to using emulators (or an actual SNES) and while it has a HDMI output it doesn't do that good of a job and has very little options for it's image output not to mention only coming with handful of games with no option to use your cartridges. Even if you hack it to have more games I believe the emulation isn't that good with many games not to mention there being some input lag as well. I genuinely want people like >>4594009 to tell me what advantages SNES Classic Mini has over Super NT especially if you already own a decent collection of games and controllers for SNES. I honestly want to see what you guys can come up with.

Then again even if someone somewhere were to come up with a SNES clone that would only cost a dollar, would have 100% compatibility with all games and all accessories created for the system, came with 5 controllers better than the original ones and had a video outputs for every possible cable known to man with the best possible image quality imaginable you fags still would find something to complain about it and would still say things like "Why not just emulate everything?" or "It's not the original system on the shitty CRT TV I had as kid therefore it's shit."

>>4594101
>>4593980
I always wondered how it worked on a technical level. Is there a place I can read up on this?

>>4596268
You have the types of users all wrong.
SNES Classic Mini is for people who sold their SNES and threw out their CRT ten years ago. Now they want to replay old games on their big living room TV. It allows people to get a sense of nostalgia without any effort other than spending money. It's not 100% accurate to the original but it still comes with the nintendo official seal of quality. Some people opened them with their kids on christmas morning.
Analog NT is for playing an old game collection on a new TV, with performance. It takes original cartridges and controllers and outputs HDMI with low latency.
Original hardware is for using with CRTs and setting the standard. Some of the original specs can't be matched with modern technology.

>>4593908
because good FPGA's arent cheap anon.

>>4594392
Buy an original snes and a retro sony vieo editing monitor fol like 1k$ sure.

>>4596528
I could easily find a snes at my local flea market for 50$ and some games that aren't Earthbound for 10$ each. You can always find a video monitor for cheap at ypur local goodwill. I bought this one for 8$

>>4596528
>not using a consumer model for the authentic 90s experience

I wish it had save states. I don’t even know if it would be technically feasible on the hardware.

>>4596567
Many Goodwils and Salvation Armies have stopped selling CRTs.

>>4595261
>pi shill
>tells others to go to reddit
what did he mean by this?

>>4597029
My local one said they were going to then they started appearing again. The Goodwills in Columbus don't but because of that way more started appearing at the for-profit thrift stores. Salvation Army usually has some really nice ones but I think a lot of nice small ones go to the recyclers unfortunately.

>paying money for a thing

>>4597054

>being a SSJGSSJ autistic neet poorfag

>>4593603
I'm still not sure how a FPGA chip works but it sounds like the way to go as original hardware deteriorates, right?

I've always wondered, though: why can't we just feed SNES motherboards through an x-ray machine and print new boards from what we find?

>>4597054
>caring about what you do

>>4598961
you just gotta be a boss and refurbish the original hardware
should last forever

>>4598965
>forever
>forever
>forever

Original hardware is always best, but the reason FPGA is gaining momentum is because CRTs are going the way of the dinosaur. They're just too cumbersome and getting more difficult to find and maintain than the consoles. Having the games lagfree with a modern setup helps preserve the original games as much as possible.

Hell, I have a 32" Trinitron but haven't touched it in a few years. It's sitting unused in the basement and I've been debating just tossing it. The fucker takes up so much space.

It's akin to vinyl records. Sure, the older ones may be better, but there are companies making arguably great players with modern conveniences and technology and you can play the original vinyl records. Plus, it's easier to maintain and repair, and because the players are new they more than likely are more reliable than one you will stumble upon at some secondhand shop.

>>4598979
I think somebody's gonna start making CRTs again. That's a fortune just waiting to be raked in.

>>4598961
>FPGA chip...sounds like the way to go as original hardware deteriorates
Or you could just clone the chips like famiclone makers have been doing for 30 years. Using an FPGA in a commercial product is full retard.

>>4599010
Why didn't Nintendo just do that for their classic series?

>>4599014
Why would they? Those are machines meant to play roms, not carts.

>>4598961
The issue is the chips found on the boards, mainly PPUs. Those aren't made anymore. Not to mention, nobody really wants to manufacture those chips, because it's too expensive for too niche market. Early consoles have issues with those PPUs failing, too. FPGA is on the other hand just chip that is programmed to work like the chipsets on SNES(in this case). I'm pretty sure market for new SNES consoles is so small, it isn't feasible to mass produce ASIC version of the chip(which is basically non-reprogrammable version of the same thing), which are usually used for production(since you can program FPGA and ASIC on same HDL).

>>4599023
>Those aren't made anymore. Not to mention, nobody really wants to manufacture those chips, because it's too expensive for too niche market.
Tell that to the hundred different companies all over the world still selling $10 famiclones in developing markets.

>>4598992
>I think somebody's gonna start making CRTs again
They still do make them. They are pricy, but if they are using new tech to make the old things, I would wager they produce a very nice picture. I think the push to get away from CRT has as much to do with the size as it does with electric use. Imagine if we continued the HD CRT trend. Every house would have a CRT that uses lots of power. Our power grids are already antique....The amount of power saved by converting to LCDs makes a huge impact on the power overall.

I cannot find the company name that still makes CRTs, but they are modular, they stack and have many inputs. They are for museum displays. The issue again is cost. You wippersnappers and your goofy framemeisters and other upscalers would still be cheaper then a quality CRT.

I guess it has lots to do with how much extra cash you have, and how far you will go to produce perfect scan lines.

CRT tvs are a dime a dozen. Finding a few used ones and keeping them in a dry safe place could mean a lifetime of enjoyment. I have ONLY ever had one CRT die, and it was after more then 2 straight decades of being on. I have had 3 lcds die on me in the last 10 years.

>>4599057
NOACs have existed for a long time, and they still churn them out because they have the knowhow and fabrication setups done quite a good while ago(while NES was more relevant), and it never stopped. They however aren't 1:1 accurate. And you want the main reason they churn out those NOACs? It's cheaper to do it that way instead of fabricating every chip. There really isn't SNES equivalent of those either. There just isn't big enough market to start fabricating some oddball chip from early 90's like the poster before me suggested.

>>4599010
Oh yeah those Famiclone NOACs that are riddled with poor compatibility and game-breaking crashes.

Or you could get an FPGA console with cores that have been lovingly developed by a guy with years of experience in the field and are practically perfect reproductions of the real deal plus tons of convenient features built in.

>>4599160
The point is it's not impossible to manufacture a chip, dummy. FPGAs are for prototyping. If you're using them in a commercial product to simulate a 30 year old chip, you might just be retarded.

>>4599192
But the kind of chips used in the SNES and simulated in the Super NT are not mass produced off-the-shelf chips. It would cost far more to have these chips custom made for such a small production run of an obviously niche product. The FPGA solution is actually cheaper in this case.

>>4599260
Additionally, you can look at the NT mini and how many consoles it can simulate on its single FPGA board. You couldn’t do that with real chips without it being prohibitively expensive. Not that it was cheap in the first place, but to have a console where you can select a new core and 30 seconds later it has reconfigured itself to act as something completely different is very cool.

>>4599273
Plus FPGAs can easily be updated with new firmware to iron out any bugs. This is absolutely critical for a product of this nature that is trying to be as authentic to the original as possible. If it was made from real chips, the way it performs would essentially be set in stone.

>>4599431

No matter what logic you use /vr/ will bitch about anything. Even if they agree with you.

>>4599431
>If it was made from real chips, the way it performs would essentially be set in stone.
You mean it would be just like every chip in every computer ever made? lol, AGAIN, we're talking about simulating 30+ year old hardware. This isn't cutting edge tech. This isn't a problem that wasn't solved years before you were born.

I'm starting to understand why Asians dominate the hardware markets. Westerners are absolutely retarded about this shit.

it seems to better than most garbage clone consoles but still not as accurate as higan.
probably the best bet for people who just want high res displays, but i always preferred a regular CRT.

Kevtris said in an interview that they might make some sort of analog output converter. My biggest issue with this thing is the lack of analog output. So depending on how good it is I might be willing to get one.

Is this something I have to buy right now if I ever hope to own one, or do they keep making them for atleast a year?

>>4599941
Its pretty matched with higan, has the same minor differences with actual hardware as higan does with a few edge case games. Byuu was actually involved with the super nt development

>>4599998
>Byuu was actually involved with the super nt development

Bet he's regretting that now

>>4599960
It's not just Kevtris, Analogue have publicly stated that a digital to analog converter is being developed for the Super NT. It'll be a plug and play solution and should be exactly as lag-free as the HDMI output (since they'll probably update the firmware to support proper 240p output and make the converter just a passthrough for RGB)

My initial reaction -- $200? Ha! Fuck that I'll just keep using higan for free.

My current stance -- $200+ BUT I can play all my roms on my tv without all the hassle and problems I ran into last time I ran an hdmi cable to my 10+ year old panasonic plasma, AND I can bring this thing over to a friends house

So yeah I want one now. But its going to be closer to $300 with two controllers isn't it?

>>4600012
Why because its hurting his emulator sales???

>>4600029
Still doesn't play roms that require chips at this point and if you want bluetooth controllers yeah expect to pay close to $300 but you can use any SNES controller.

>>4600029
Well, it'll be between $220 and $240 after shipping. If you MUST have the 8bitdo controllers then yeah the price goes up a bit, but if you have old SNES wired controllers laying around it works just fine, they can be had on ebay for relatively cheap.

Don't forget the unofficial non-kevtris jailbreak firmware still has a bunch of problems. Saving doesn't work correctly from what I hear and it only supports games that don't rely on special chips.

>>4600034
https://byuu.org/articles/fpgas-arent-magic/

This thing has laughably bad emulation and a complete lack of any interesting features to make up for it.

>>4600050
>This thing has laughably bad emulation
[citation needed]

>>4600050
Pic ironically related to how much sense you made

>>4600050
Have this poor quality pity (You).

>>4593980
It's emulation in the same way that SNES 1-Chips are emulation

>>4600046
>Don't forget the unofficial non-kevtris jailbreak firmware still has a bunch of problems


All things considered, how does the Homebrew Wii handle vs these "things" for emulation on a HD tv? I had a genesis, so never had a SNES until college in the mid 90s.

I have a wii w/homebrew and every game on flash. Somehow, I rarely use it as I still fall back to my PSX.

In my brain, it works great because the Wii is designed to run the SNES/NES titles via the virtual console.

I understand the draw of this NT system IF you have a collection of carts and existing hardware. I do not have any such thing.

JAILBREAK SAVE FIX WHEN

>>4600104
When freeloaders like you stop being pushy assholes

>>4593603
wheres the superior american design?

>>4600053
>drops frames
>screen tears
And this is good?

>>4600094
The Wii really works pretty good considering the price. Just put it in 480p mode, put your TV in Game mode and use a wired controller or real Classic controller, I learned the hard way that generic classic controllers have enormous lag.

>>4600117

>>4600047
Seems like he doesn't regret a thing since nt's already lead to higan's improvement and will lead to further improvements

He's just calling out a salesman's bullshit

>>4600123
>wired controller or real Classic controller
I have a GC controller, as well as the gold and black WII controller that plugs into the wiimote. I also had a "Snes" clone that plugged into the wiimote.....It died years ago due to my kids being animals. I did have one of them 8bitdo NES30, and only used for cellphone gaming.....As a result I sold it after a few weeks.

The functionality of the wii for this purpose seems almost overrated. It just seems too good to be true.

I have a "backlog" of games I want to play, and the Snes Zelda as well as a few of the final fantasy games. All this talk of input latency has me thinking I need to test things out. Would a Snes Mini Snes controller work with the wiimote? I am a big fan of officially licensed.

>>4600135
Only thing you can preorder right now is black. I want either classic or sf. Black is only acceptable if it can play Genesis games. What kind of faggot buys transparent hardware?

>>4600143
>What kind of faggot buys transparent hardware?
I honestly think that controller is quite sexy.

>>4600138

This. He's mostly mad at the marketing, which is understandable. Chris has always been in it for the money. He's been quoted as having done extreme flipping and acting like the buyers are the dummies (they are, but he set the price tag in the first place).

Kevin Horton is the brains behind the Nt mini and Super Nt and byuu has deep respect for him. I hope they continue to help each other out.

At the moment the Super Nt isn't perfect but it can be with time. With constant firmware updates it can be 1:1 to an SNES. higan is just as competent as the Super Nt, but is not as faithful to the user experience as the Super Nt is. Because the Super Nt benefits from being a standalone SNES player without the overhead, the user will experience lagfree playing on an HDMI screen, which is the primary benefit of these machines.

>>4600143

Faggots who lived in the 90s you stupid jabroni.

But I still ordered the Famicom colors. I've always thought the SFC was one of the best looking consoles. Transparent would've been cool if it was more transparent or colored and transparent.

>>4600146
I saw YouTube review of the controller and according to it the the plastic isnt as clear as the photos suggest and actually looks more like frosted glass

>>4600143
>>4600160
Counterpoint: the transparent shell helps augment the LED, especially if you pick one of the more creative light styles like rainbow or center pixel

If I was going to produce a transparent console I would use some sort of hologram sticker illusion to make it look like the was some sort of steampunk shit at work under the hood

>>4600176

Yeah, I noticed it in the video reviews. It's nice.

I honestly think the frosted transparent is fine and will help hide yellowing better.
Even though I'm a 90s kid and have mostly transparent handhelds and controllers, the transparent option here didn't do it for me. Maybe if it were transparent purple or something.

>>4600180
>If I was going to produce a transparent console I would use some sort of hologram sticker illusion to make it look like the was some sort of steampunk shit at work under the hood
That would be pretty boss actually.

>>4600191
>Even though I'm a 90s kid and have mostly transparent handhelds and controllers

I have always loved the "alternate" colors that were produced. I have one of the orange N64s, A red Wii & eventually Ill get a clear PSX shell.

>>4600141
You'll have to test it but the delay on my generic classic controller is very obvious on even a slightly demanding game, especially if you go right from a wired controller to it.

>>4600250
>delay on my generic classic controller is very obvious
I am one of them old school retards. I have a wired mouse, keyboard and pc controller. I used to be competitive in the Counter Strike scene and the lag from wireless shit made higher levels of play nearly impossible.

I think that some turn based stuff would work, but what you are telling me confirms my suspicions. Thanks again for the great insight Gramps!

>>4600156
>the user will experience lagfree playing on an HDMI screen
Modern TVs have some degree of inherent lag. So you're getting less of it, not none.

>>4600352
What I was surprised to discover was that the delay when actually playing with the Wiimote itself is quite tolerable. I had beat Shiryou Sensen with the Gamecube controller in December then in January I beat Getsu Fuma Den using just the Wiimote. Both are pretty intense 8-bit platformers and I didn't feel a noticeable difference. You may end up using a Mayflash SNES to Gamecube adapter though. I don't have a SNES Mini controller to test with.

>>4600109
>freeloaders like you
I paid $300 for this fuckin thing.

>>4595014
I could see a workaround where you need a cart in there with the special chip in order to play other games that need that chip from the SD card. Yoshis Island and Kirby Super Star are pretty cheap so it could be a viable solution

>>4599493
I don’t think you understand how complex a process it is to clone a chip exactly. Again, the chips used in the SNES were custom made. You can’t just pick a bunch of chips out of a catalog, slap them together and say you’ve made a SNES but please keep sticking to your simplified view whilst calling everyone else retarded.

>>4600640
>I don’t think you understand how complex a process it is to clone a chip exactly
Not even clone. Would that be illegal?

Getting to the point that we have a SNES analog that may work is a great step. I am somewhat shocked that nintendo has not shut it down. Emulating the functions of a custom chip is complex. It seems simple because we have had emulators for nearly 2 decades...but it is more then just one chip. It is the entire mass of chips.

>>4600109
> freeloaders
hilarious. it's like you yourself are making the jailbreak. how's that coming along? xD

>>4600024
it should have been built with proper analogue out from the start. people that are really into their old gaming still use a CRT and couldn't care less about hdmi or digital out. looks like someone dropped the ball.

>>4600665
>entire mass of chips

>>4600685
Do you actually think before typing or are you retarded? The population of retro gamers who stuck to CRT only and completely shunned modern displays is so insanely small it might as well be nonexistent. With an HDMI solution they have the ability to reach literally everyone, and an analog converter is coming so it will be a complete non-issue

Nobody dropped any ball, you are completely ignorant of what people want

>>4600425
Yeah you paid $300 for the ability to run cartridges on an HDTV, nothing more.

>>4601076

Isn't that the fucking point?

No matter how much you try to downplay it, Super Nt is the best way to play games with a modern setup.

>but muh CRT

Can't hear you over the sound of my crisp SNES tunes on my 55" Samsung.

>>4600496
It would be nice but the Super UFO can't do it, it can only run romhacks of the same special chip game plugged into it. I guess that not enough connection goes from the cart's connector to the special chips for devices to completely access them that way.

>>4593603

You could buy an actual SNES in good condition + a passable CRT for less than the cost of that thing.

>>4601171
I can find both for free from someone giving them away.

>>4601124
>Super Nt is the best way to play games with a modern setup.
Except for cycle accurate emulation, which is fortunately a reality with SNES emulators now. And it's free.

>Can't hear you over the sound of my crisp SNES tunes on my 55" Samsung.
Retro gaming isn't a dick waving contest, Anon. No one cares about your expensive toys. We just want to relive the glory days of gaming.

>>4601171
But can I buy all the games too?

This thing is so overpriced, and given that it doesn’t emulate with 100% accuracy, it’s not worth using even as a novelty.

>>4601213

>paying $200 to play with a ROMset

Just use BSNES on a PC with HDMI out at that point.

>>4601179
But you cant buy a computer that can run higan for $200.

I dont want to run an hdmi cable from my pc to my tv and I def dam not lugging my huge full tower to a friends house

>>4594629
Oh shit killed em
>>4594670
Hahahahhahahahahahahah

>>4600354
>Byuu
How long will that persist for? Do OLED 4K screens have better response times than LCD 1080p screens?

>>4601301
It's a combination of how modern OSes don't render to the screen immediately but spend time buffering and processing, and that a lot of modern displays waste a lot of time before the image actually gets on screen.

Similar situation for audio which almost always has to be buffered and sometimes resampled instead of being piped right away.

Then there is some situation with USB input polling which takes time and typically the OS won't poll often enough anyway.

Although all of these things are minor enough to be complete placebo and people who whine about lag are mentally retarded losers who can't accept the fact they're just inherently bad at games.

>>4601327
>lists several real world causes of lag
>calls lag a meme
what did he mean by this?

>>4601337
>what did he mean by this?

It means xe is finally coming out of the closet.

>>4601337
I think he's using the actual meaning of "meme"

How '00s rite?

>>4601179
>Except for cycle accurate emulation
Except the super NT is cycle accurate you fucknut.

>>4601402

No it's not. The months kevtris spent on it, with help from byuu, mean nothing. It's something anon doesn't like so therefore it's shit.

Not even the *three* buffer modes are good enough.

>>4600640
>I don’t think you understand how complex a process it is to clone a chip exactly.
Here we go again, ignoring the fact that these chips are already been reverse engineered, have already been emulated, have already been implemented on FPGA, and indeed, HAVE ALREDY BEEN CLONED. Yes, I'm here to tell you, as somebody who works for a company that designs custom chips, it's pretty trivial at this stage.

> keep sticking to your simplified view whilst calling everyone else retarded
Sure thing, retard.

>>4600665
> Would that be illegal?
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-03-23/business/fi-662_1_amd-chip

>>4601438
The SNES PPU has never been decapped, it's never been fully reverse engineered. What we see in emulators and the Super NT is just an approximation that has been designed to be as close to the original as possible, through painstaking analysis and trial and error. So if Analogue took that approximation and had the chip put in to production (at great expense), then you have a chip that can never be improved should any issues come to light further down the line. With an FPGA it can, as we have already seen with a few updates that Kevtris has already made.

>as somebody who works for a company that designs custom chips
How convenient.

>>4601461
>it's never been fully reverse engineered. What we see in emulators and the Super NT is just an approximation
This was my angle. Sure it is close, and it does work it still is just approximation that is acceptable. How does the functionality of this NT system compare to other super famiclones? Is the only real benefit from this system the HDMI output? IF HD output is the main reason, would that make this a dedicated emulator?

Asking for a friend.


>>4601461
>How convenient.
I worked at babbages & Mediaplay in the mid 90s too. I think I know a thing or 2 about alphabetizing display cases.

I bought one. Ridicule me.

>>4601543

Which color?

>black

Faggot.

>>4601461
>if Analogue took that approximation and had the chip put in to production (at great expense)
No, you don't get to the use the "great expense" argument when you're arguing the case for aftermarket FPGAs that cost 5-10x as much.

>then you have a chip that can never be improved should any issues come to light further down the line
Again, just like every chip in every consumer computer, mobile phone, TV, calculator, toaster and vibrator in the history of technology that was designed by people who knew what they were doing and didn't make products that cost 5x more than they should.

>>4601548
Come again please?

>>4601562
that looks terrible, also
>pal

>>4601563
Never claimed it didn't.
Anyhow, I bought a black one too since I didn't want to get one before the jailbreak got out and by then the good ones were all out.
I already waited 7 months or so for the NT mini so I didn't want to jump ship on the second batch either. Transparent looks like shit too so no other choice.

>>4601548
Nah. North America version

>>4601559
Most chip manufacturers will insist on a minimum production run which would be far in excess of the number required for small niche production runs - I think they made about 5000 NT Minis for example and that's probably an over-estimation. The only way to make a low production run financially viable for the chip manufacturer would be to significantly up the per-chip cost. It definitely would be very expensive for Analogue.

>Again, just like every chip in every consumer computer etc etc
We're not talking chips that have been designed by a large R&D department specifically for something new, were talking chips that have been designed to replicate already established chips that have NOT yet been reverse engineered (despite your claims to the contrary), by one solitary dude. As I've already said, the NT is still going through improvements to increase its accuracy, the (virtual) chips have not yet been perfected.

>>4601562

I'm sorry, were you trying to disprove my point? Because you're doing the opposite.

>>4601578

Bueno. I'm an Amerifag but got the SFC colors. The NA colors are nice though. Especially for us nostalgiafags.

>>4601559
The upfront cost for setting up a factory line to produces one certain ASIC is quite big you know?
FPGAs might be more expensive when you scale up the numbers but that upfront cost is way too big for such a small number.

>>4601621

>>4601625
>The upfront cost for setting up a factory line to produces one certain ASIC is quite big you know?

He should know that because he is "somebody who works for a company that designs custom chips" (>>4601438), except he obviously knows fuck-all and has a masters degree in bullshittery. He's in too deep to back down now.

>>4601621
I got the NA colors in hopes that when I kill myself, my family or friends recognise it as a video game system while going through my things. The last thing I'd want is for them to throw it away thinking it's a roku or something.

>>4601719
>family
>friends
>caring enough to notice you're dead

Good one, anon. Almost had me there.

>>4601813
I did say 'in hopes'.

>>4601870

O s4!t, trew. Mai bad.

Its priced correctly considering its not a mass produced product sold in walmart or whatever. Its a small company making a niche product.

>>4602084

Nope. It's way too much. Even with shipping, if you have to pay more than $1 you got ripped off.

Only a yellowed SNES with little-brother-enjoyed controllers and AV cables for $20 locally is good. And that's if it includes EarthBound, Super Metroid, LttP, Contra III, and Mario Kart.
I'm assuming you already have a Sony BVM in immaculate condition for free from a local electronics recycler. You should've picked that up with a handful of IBM SSKs.

Get a small NuC or build a ryzen APU htpc for the price of this thing and like 2 games you fucking faggots.
The GPD xd is also an option. And no, the input through HDMI, a USB controller and a regular tv tops out at like 200ms, not fucking noticeable. On the actual system it's around 100ms.

>>4602203
>200ms latency
>Not noticeable

>>4602203
200ms is a fifth of a second. That's well into "completely unplayable" territory.

>>4602084
But dat shipping doh

>>4594259
I would honestly want a Super NES/Super Famicom DVD System attachment that goes to the bottom where the Satellaview should be and plays MSU-1 games and ROMs via disc.

It has a cartridge with an SD card slot for it's BIOS and save data.
A Super EverDrive or SD2SNES can be used as a substitute.

The playback software inside is also more robust than most DVD players, offering more options for deinterlacing, 240p output in addition to 480i and 480p (mostly for 10-in-1 Hong Kong bootleg DVDs, VCDs, and gameplay recordings, most DVD players scale 240p to 480i or 480p, and while the player can scale to 480i or 480p, it can also output 240p), video playback via USB flash drives/hard drives, and much more like DTS playback.

FPGA

The reason why I thought DVD is much better for the Super Famicom is because of the MSU-1 games which can go up to 4GB of data, which is just enough for a single-layer DVD (DVD-5), and that's not including audio and FMVs, which can go up to more than 6GB, which is well within the limits of dual-layer DVDs (DVD-9).

It has it's own video outputs with composite, S-Video, component YPbPr, RCA stereo audio, optical digital audio, and HDMI for it's CD/DVD player function.

It can be used on it's own as a DVD player or attached to a Super Famicom/Super NES to play MSU-1 games burned on disc (depending on the size, an MSU-1 game can be burned on either a CD or DVD).

It also has an FPGA that can perfectly emulate cartridge chips like the SA-1 and the Super FX.

It will have it's own AC adapter like the Sega CD.

It also has a built-in switch to go from game drive mode to DVD player mode.

Blu-rays might be overkill but it's still good.

>>4602203
>spend more than everybody else!
>get worse performance and latency!

whats the deal with only accepting preorders on the black?

>>4602505
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>4602514
Racism.

>>4602505
fuck dvd. laserdisc or bust.

>>4602519
Yeah.
LaserDiscs were great, but too bad nobody manufactures LaserDiscs anymore.

Plus, DVD is digital and stores more data.

>>4602505
Not interested unless it comes with a pony too.

>>4602486
>>4602491
This day-sue. 100ms delay is noticeable. A "good" emulation setup should be under 60ms and real hardware should be in the 30ms area. I assume the Super NT is also in this area but I haven't seen any high speed cam tests yet.

>>4602527
The Super Famicom DVD System will most likely be cheap for it's robust features.

However, I can't actually make this.
This is just my idea.

>>4602539
You think that because you're an idiot.

>>4602524
Just have snes roms on multiple laserdiscs and swap em like FF7. You wouldnt get the benefits of the FX chip tho.

>>4602542
SNES is the only 4th gen console you CAN'T get on Laserdisc.

>>4602542
I already told you, nobody manufactures LaserDiscs anymore so that's not possible.

It's been dead for a long time already.

>>4602546
LaserActive mini with hdmi when?

Has anyone read anything on when the other colors will get another run?

>>4602551
well shit cant they just make a snes vinyl player with video like VHD.

>>4602552
>Pioneer LaserActive Mini
>instead of LaserDiscs, it takes DVDs and/or Blu-rays
>still supports PC Engine CDs and Sega CDs as well as the original cartridges
>perfect emulation thanks to FPGAs
>karaoke functions with updates via SD card and downloads from the official site
>composite, S-Video, RGB, component YPbPr, and HDMI outputs
>jailbreak firmware which plays ROMs and is also an ODE
That would be also amazing.

>>4602561
Vinyl can't store that much data.
I told you, DVD is the ideal option, and DVD came from '96, therefore, it's retro.

>>4602561
I think what you're looking for is Byuu's imaginary SNES enhancement chip the MSU-1

>>4602563
yeah sony fucked up by not including dvd capabilities in the PSX. Think how much better FF7 could have been with dvd video and not shitty cd compression.

>>4602578
the PSX mini should have hdmi and minidisc support

Would saves made in higan work with this?

>>4602578
I wish they actually made those PS2 ports of Final Fantasy VII, VIII, and IX.
They were going to make updated ports of those games with better-quality music, higher-resolution backgrounds, models, and FMVs, alongside GBA ports of IV, V, and VI, alongside WonderSwan Color ports of I, II, and III.

Unfortunately, The Spirits Within bombed horribly and nearly drove Square to bankruptcy.
So they canceled the WonderSwan Color port of III, delayed the GBA ports of IV, V, and VI, and canceled the PS2 ports of VII, VIII, and IX.

I actually loved The Spirits Within.
However, I honestly would've loved the PS2 ports of VII, VIII, and IX.
Especially if the FMVs were actually in 30fps instead of 15fps.

>>4600082
>https://byuu.org/articles/fpgas-arent-magic/
it's not. ASICs are not FPGAs.

>>4602514
Its the worst color so its the only one that hasn't sold out

>>4602601
>I actually loved The Spirits Within.
ok bro you might actually be nuts. You might also enjoy the PS4 FF7 because it looks like its gonna be ass. At least we get to see tifa's jugs in HD.

>>4602560
I assume next month preorders will start back up and they'll ship in April. The only thing that they have said officially is "soon" so who really knows

>>4602641
Its the second best color, the clear is the worse. The classic would be best if it and its buttons were rectangular like the us snes.

Actually, maybe I will just get black because the matching controller has the concave xy buttons

>>4602647
The only official thing I saw was "no eta"

>>4602673
Or you could wait for the next wave of preorders to open. Nobody's holding a gun to your head forcing you to preorder right this minute

>>4593603
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEyF30kenUM&t=299s

>>4603097
it's not actually reviewing
its all about trying to escape its emulation-status
nice shill video

>>4602601
No they were never going to remake them you stupid namefaggot. FF8 on PS2 was a tech demo, anything else was a rumor.

>>4602203
>200ms, not fucking noticeable
>On the actual system it's around 100ms.
How does it feel to be functionally retarded?

>>4603097
Why would you post the literal worst video on the Super NT? Are you trying to prove something?

>>4603097
>it's not a system on a chip approximating an NES
>it's a [system on a chip approximating an NES]

>>4604094
>when this comes on it becomes a super nintendo
>the chip becomes the same electrical path
>near 200,000 views
Sounds like you don't know your shit anon.

>>4604172
This. It uses REAL ELECTRONS.

>>4604185
what kind of high falutin', uptight shit is this? I get me a family fun pack of electrons from the dollar store and I enjoy it!

>>4594629
>implying SNES is a social status symbol
If you just want a clock that can display really accurate times plus some features, you wouldn't care if it looks like a Rolex or not. Shit analogy.

>>4593617
This. What's the point of going on about "muh accuracy" with a shit chink controller that ruins the whole experience?

>>4602203
>>4602486
>>4602491
>>4602507
>>4603245
What?
https://forums.libretro.com/t/an-input-lag-investigation/4407/534
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBwLSPbHWoc

>>4605331

It's not included as default, dweeb.

Plus, it's pretty fucking great. Even pros will have a hard time distinguising between 8bitchink and OG.

>>4605404
Well, the dpad isn't perfect. It throws me off because diagonals can be easily activated by mistake. That said the latency is almost nonexistent thanks to modern Bluetooth

I'm not going to be able to use my saves made in Higan with this, am I?

>>4605412

I've heard people complain about the dpad but I've had no issues with mine. I wonder if it's a QC issue or if I just lucked out.

>>4605451

I thought you could...

>Buy copy of 8-Bit Music Power Final because I like chiptune music
>Can't play it on my frontloader american NES
>Come up with the genius idea to get one of those musashi adapters so I can play the FDS ram adapter & famicom game on it
>Adapter comes in & the game fucking crashes
>figure the adapter is the problem
>Return and buy new one
>still fucking crashes, even after cleaning cart & adapter
>/vr/ points out those 8-Bit music power carts are badly built, so they only work on original famicom hardware, so I spent all that on nothing
>think "fuck it" and buy an NT mini
>been angry about it ever since
>this topic pops up & I find out the nt mini now goes for $1000+ for some reason

I've done it, I've really finally done it! My autism has finally reached such high levels that it cancelled out all the other losses from this autistic endevor. Now here's the question. Why is the NT mini suddenly so expensive? Is it just temporarily sold out, or is there another reason?

>>4605709
>Why is the NT mini suddenly so expensive? Is it just temporarily sold out, or is there another reason?
Yes, it's sold out and there is a interest in it namely in it's ability to run shitloads of 8-bit systems via the official unofficial firmware.

>>4605331
Use an official wired pad doofus

>>4605709
>>4605735
I’m glad I got one. Feels good to see it being sold for obscene prices. Not that I’d cash in.

>no analogue video out
>does virtually nothing that higan/RA bsnes doesn't already in terms of accuracy or features
What's the point?

>>4602203
>xd
Fuck off reddit.

>>4605767

Oh, shit. Didn't know the price now. Would never sell mine but I remember prices for it was like $400 around the time mine arrived late last year.

>>4595126
car fags are the worst

>>4605784
>car fags are the worst
Can you blame them? New cars so hard to fix yourself. Like nothing is modular on them.

>>4605774
An analog adapter is forthcoming, also you need a powerful PC to run higan at to a reasonable level of accuracy. I know my shitty 10 year old laptop wouldn’t stand a chance.

But yeah, if you can run higan that’s cool. The NT is just a nice self-contained solution for playing in your living room and can play your original carts without a retrode adapter. It’s a well engineered piece of kit and just feels good to be playing your games on.

>>4602203
>"Input lag isn't a problem because I say so!"
>(citation needed)

Anyone gullible enough to drop money on one of those shitty devices deserves exactly what they get. I don't even care about arguing with you shills anymore.

>>4605663
I don't know, you can use your saves from an everdrive and SD2Snes by copying them to the correct folder on the SD card,, but higan's saves are save.ram, and I think this and everything else uses .sav.

4.2 update fucking

W H E N
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>>4606201
NES, GAMEBOY, GAMEGEAR, MASTERSYSTEM CORES
WHEN
H
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N

>>4595197
>many people will find the SNES Mini to be worth the extra $20 for many rational reasons
>

>Maybe they don't know how to assemble and install.
assemble is just plug power and HDMI cables, literally just that
install is download a package and put into an SD card

>Maybe their time is worth more than that to them.
brainlet syndrome hit again

>Maybe they want a real Nintendo product.
fanboyinsm and brainletism, what a combination

>>4605661
>I've heard people complain about the dpad but I've had no issues with mine. I wonder if it's a QC issue or if I just lucked out.
You probably just aren't that sensitive to bad controllers. I think the SNES has 2 contacts on each direction while the chinkshit has 1 in each direction causing shitty diagonals.

>>4606983

I have original SNES controllers and perceive no difference with the dpad inputs.

>>4598961
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-programmable_gate_array

enjoy :)

>>4601461
>The SNES PPU has never been decapped
KEK. yes it has, stop making things up as you go.

>>4602578
> dvd
> PSX

DVD release information:
>Released: October 1996 (Japan), April 1997 (United States), March 1998 (Europe), February 1999 (Australia)

PSX release information:
> "The console was released on 3 December 1994 in Japan, 9 September 1995 in North America, 29 September 1995 in Europe, and for 15 November 1995 in Australia"

what drugs are you smoking there anon?

>>4602563
> '96 ..
yea in japan it was. the rest of the world got it FAR latter than that.

>>4602589
>Would saves made in higan work with this?
no, unless the software was coded to support it, which is highly unlikely.

>>4607296
I'm pretty confident he was just fucking around with his comments on DVD

>>4607330
i can never tell on this board. some tards making very difficult to tell if serious or not.. because sometimes: they're deadly serious :)

>>4607332
I mean, I could be wrong, but it feels like it's better to assume sarcasm in most cases. Life has too much stress as it is to presume everyone is always being serious on the internet

>>4607272
Doesn't change my point. It's like how some people can't tell the difference between 30 and 60fps.

>>4607421

Do you have the controller? If so, have you noticed any differences?

I've been playing games both with the original and the 8bitdo and, again, have not experienced any drop in input nor erroneous inputs. As I said, it is possible some failed QC and/or I lucked out.

>>4607289
That's the only part wrong in that post and it's only been wrong as of like 7 weeks ago.

>>4607768
Different Anon here.
I have one of the old revision FC30 controllers with the the mini USB ports.
It works well enough and input lag is negligible but it does indeed register incorrect diagonals really easily. I could alleviate it for the most part by putting some strips of electrical tape diagonally between the pads on the PCB but in rare cases it still happens.
Doesn't really bother too much though unless you play something that really needs the precision like with shmups. The buttons are also a bit sticky like if the holes in the case are a little too small for the buttons itself)

I also own a newer revision NES30 controller with the micro USB port that came with my Nt Mini.
It actually has a much better feel than the FC30 (bigger and the buttons are less sticky). Sadly that one seems to be faulty though.
Once you connect it to something via bluetooth (like the Nt mini via the receiver for example) everything will be fine at first but it will soon start to lag more and more.
Peaks at around 1 second of input lag. Same thing happens on stuff like my phone via bluetooth. In contrast, I've connected it to my PC via USB and didn't have any problems.
Unfortunately I only noticed it a few months after receiving my Nt mini and since I live in Europe i didn't really feel like bothering to get them to replace it.

>>4607806
You got any link on that? Sounds pretty cool and interesting.

>>4607768
The directional inputs on Contra III give me big issues specifically as you're constantly ducking and changing directions. I find my dude will constantly stand back up when I'm trying to duck as even a slight move away from holding directly down suddenly registers as a diagonal-down. It's a pain in the arse, definitely not as good as the original.

I'm using the first model 8bitdo SNES pad btw, not the new design ones advertised on Analogue's website although I'd assume the new design is purely cosmetic. Incidentally I also have the same directional issues with the 8bitdo NES pad.

>>4607814
>definitely not as good as the original.
I should say 'definitely not as good as the official pad'.

Yet another Anon here. The 8Bitdo controllers (I have the new ones) definitely have more sensitive diagonal inputs than the original SNES controllers. I don't find the difference to be as big as some people here make it out to be but it IS there and can be a minor annoyance with certain games. Apart from that I can't really complain about anything about the 8Bitdo controllers and am glad to finally have decent wireless SNES controllers.

>>4607812
http://siliconpr0n.org/archive/doku.php?id=vendor:nintendo

Check out the mcmaster ones. By the dates they were only done in the first week of January. IIRC it was Kevtris who donated the chips and paid the guy to do it. Sites near impossible to navigate so you'll have to do with my word on that.

It's not realistic or worthwhile to recreate something based on this, but usually if there is some strange logic happening it's possible to pinpoint it with this approach. That said it's not an easy job even if you know what you're doing.

Oh, and anyone who thinks this alone enables perfect reproductions just end yourself right now.

>>4607854
Thank you, that is fairly interesting.

>>4607296
>no, unless the software was coded to support it, which is highly unlikely

I was hoping byuu had written save files exactly like a cartridge would

Samefag content anon here.

Okay, tested out Contra. I found the guy shooting up when I didn't mean him to, but I wonder if that's more user error as SMW plays flawlessly and I've played that a lot more than Contra.

For the convenience alone it's beautiful, but I'll do more tests. What are some games that show this "error" better?
With Parodius and Twinbee the controls were fine too.

I have no issues with the FC30 that came with the Nt mini, but for shmups I use the Advantage anyway.