/vr/ - Retro Games

Why use CRTs now that the superior method of line doubling with the OSSC is a thing?

>>4532269
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdm_wjz0jIw

>>4532367
Because OSSC doesn't fix this shit and nothing does

>>4532367
>doesn't support composite or s-video
>doesn't work with most TVs
>doesn't work with Super Nintendo
>ships once a year at most, typically exists only as an email telling you it exists
hmm I wonder...

>>4532269
Here's a shot of Super Bros 10 Kung fu Mari - any tips for camera settings/lighting the shot? Video signal is composite from my AV Famicom.

>>4532487
wat am i looking at

>>4532495
I think you did a nice job, anon.

>>4532497
Motion blur
https://www.testufo.com/eyetracking
It's a really cool test, get any CRT and compare the same test on any LCD you own

>>4532390
What's goin on here?

>>4532520
>>4532390
the joys of emulation

>>4532367
Input latency on even the best modern displays still can't match the lag-free experience of a CRT, even with a proper line doubler or upscaler.


CRT's also have better black levels, don't have problems switching between 240p and 480i mid-game, and don't suffer from the motion blur you get from an LCD.

Line doubling is great, but it's not anything close to being "superior" to a CRT.

my little collection so far

>>4532559
Wassup fuckers

>>4532367
What's an OSSC going to do for me when I mostly play PC games on a good VGA monitor?

>>4532508
don't have an lcd handy but this is pretty fun to watch on a pc crt, the lil ufo guy is totally crisp compared to some pictures I've seen of the test on flat screens

>>4532508
is there a 240p version?

>>4532621
yep, that's how it should look like

>>4532624
Don't think so but anything that moves will have the same effect

https://www.testufo.com/photo

>do some googling
>supposedly re-capping is like a fucking wonder drug that can fix multiple issues

Anyone have any experience with it?

Continuing this from the last thread.
I purchased $10 genesis scart cables from ebay as well as a CSY 2100 scart > YUV clone box. pic related was what i got upon setup. the screen rolls constantly. at first i thought it could be a bad box

>>4532724
then I looked at the wiring for the scart connector. can anyone verify whether this is correct of if its just a really bad chink ripoff i bought on ebay? pin 1 is the upper left with the red wire

Friendly reminder to fall for the meme

>>4532641
If you're doing it, desoldering gun helps I suppose. Also remember to discharge the tube properly, because we're talking about current that can actually kill you.

>>4532732
YouTube was a mistake.

>>4532886
I miss the good ol days when jewtubers just used an old piece of shit tv like this. Too many retards like Mike Matei are tricking newfags to fall for the PVMeme.

>>4531968
>which can be converted to VGA with a simple cheap adapter
You need a scandoubler though, unless it's an Amiga monitor or it supports multisync.

>>4533084
I wonder how many "collectors" just wait to be handed what to do by popular YouTubers. It is crazy how a James and Mike video alone is enough to cause a price spike.

>>4532732

I love that this one hasn’t been forgotten yet

>>4532367
OSSC is nice and all, but it's expensive and doesn't have all the same properties as a CRT. I use my OSSC a lot but CRTs are just comfy desu

>>4533202
brainlets cant think for themselves

>>4533202
what video was this
i missed it completely

>>4533202
>>4533282
>>4533283
LGR is guilty too

>hey guys heres an obscure sound card for DOS
>prices on ebay go from $10 to $100

>>4532071

Honestly unless you're turbo autist, regular consumer tvs are great. PVMs do have better picture, but you have to invest a LOT of money in connectors and modding consoles, etc. PVM are cool, but honestly you can get the same enjoyment out of a consumer set, there's nothing wrong with them at all.

Late model consumer CRT that have composite, component (sometimes called ypbr or yuv), and s video are the most desireable. Your ps1 will not support component, they just don't have the circuitry.

You can do 3 things, first, get a ps2 which does support component and play your games on there. Monster brand component cables are sold on ebay at reasonable prices, they are pretty good and somewhat common. Expect to pay about $20-30. Second, you can get an rgb scart cable and a retrotek box. They convert rgb into component at a hardware level so no lag. The boxes are built really fucking well and just work great. Third would be to use s video. S video can look fucking great. Component is better, but not like the leap between composite (or rf yuck) and s video. RGB and component are pretty much a toss up, with RGB maybe having SLIGHTLY better colors but Component has compatibility with 480p modes. If ps1 are is as old as you plan to go (read this as you want to use modern consoles too) component would probably be much better for you due to the 480p thing. Almost all retro consoles can use s-video, but some consoles may need basic mods to do so.

Consumer TVs can look great, find them on the curb, at recycling centers, thrift stores, flea markets, garage sales, craigslist, freecycle, facebook marketplace, etc. Ask around at work or in social circles, friends parents, relatives etc.

Honestly, I'd recommend at least getting a working consumer set before even considering pvm. You may not want anything else, but if you do, this is a good point to learn from as you can play your games while learning and saving up money, cause pvmeme takes a lot of it.

I'm looking for a PC CRT, which one is the better deal?
>15" Trinitron $16
>17" Samsung $19
>17" Viewsonic $32

>>4533340
pretty cheap. take em all.

>>4533341
I only have space for 1 maybe 2

>>4533340
What do you plan to use it for?

What model are the monitors?

What condition are the monitors in?

>>4533302
same goes with everything really
Metal Jesus makes a new "hidden gem" video and in a day price that was previously 10$ is now 25$

>>4533345
https://www.cnet.com/products/sony-cpd-100sf-crt-monitor-15-series/specs/
https://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-syncmaster-796mb-plus-crt-monitor-17/specs/
https://www.cnet.com/products/viewsonic-e70f-crt-monitor-17-series/specs/
The Sony and Viewsonic had normal use and don't have any defect
The Samsung had minimal use and comes with the original box

Ok guys, I'm finally posting some pics of my setup. I have other large CRTs in the basement, this is in my bedroom.

>>4532726
>>4532724
bump for this. unless this isnt really crt territory? i could try another thread

>>4533376

http://members.optusnet.com.au/eviltim/gamescart/gamescart.htm does this help?

I'm not an expert, but if the screen rolls constantly, that sounds like a sync issue. Double check your scart connection is also grounded in all the proper places as shown in the diagrams in the link.

Google stuff like genesis scart pinout and look there. I'd like to be more helpful but again, I'm not an expert.

>>4532641

I'll say, recapping is pretty easy. Practice on some old junk electronics first (like curb finds). Digikey is pretty good for finding oddball caps.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002MJMXD4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
^
That solder sucker is worth it's weight in gold. Don't even fuck with those junk blue ones. Once I got that sucker linked above, I'd never touch a blue one again. Between that, some flux and solder wick, you should be able to get anything out, even things like stubborn nes ppu/cpu chips.

>>4532490
>>doesn't support composite or s-video
Well, composite I understand since the Famicom can only output in that due to how the graphics chip works, but who the fuck gives a shit about s-video in this case? The only reason it's still relevant is because consumer televisions in North America never got RGB input.

>>4532563
>oversized boxy famicom

>>4533354
Jump on the Samsung.

The Sony is rather old and not much to phone home about aside from being a Sony, the Viewsonic relatively low end as well.

The Samsung should be quite bright given it hasn't had much use, and it's also the highest spec'd of the three (given the other two are lower end/average 70khz limited sets).

>>4532724
>>4532726
Which pins do the capacitors/resistors connect to?

The color of the picture also looks like it could be an issue with ground not being connected properly.

>>4533460
i mean looking at that it looks like all the wires are doing their own thing, there isnt anything coming from PIN7 which is supposed to be blue

I dont mind buying another cable... but ALL the cables on ebay look like the same exact chinashit rangning from $7-$12

What's the ideal size for a CRT?

>>4533501
Really depends on preference. I have a 14" and I like the size a lot. If scanlines are important to you then you'd want to go for something larger. I don't think there's really an "ideal" size though.

>>4533501
For me personally 19inch to 27 inch. I don’t like having to put my face up against the screen.

does anyone own one of the 8" or 10" pvms? I like the idea of a really small monitor but i'm wondering if those are too small.

Finally got the geometry decent on my 21” Trinitron.

I’ve had a couple before this one and they all seem to have the same problem with the corners curving and I’ve never been able to properly fix it, although this one had more options that made it slightly better.

Was it just the way they were built?

>>4533471

This is one I bought: https://www.ebay.com/itm/122690434074 worked well with no problems.

>>4533302
I just can't fathom how someone can go from not caring about or not even knowing about something to being willing to pay x-multiples of the current market price simply because some talking head on YouTube makes a video acknowledging the thing's existence.

>>4533605
Looks perfect.
Mine curves as well on the bottom left corner and no matter what I do I can't seem to fix it.
Also as soon as I get it looking somewhat decent, after I put the cover back on, the entire grid slides to the right and the troublesome corner fucks up again.

What's the deal with that?

my thread got deleted :(

>>4534193
Based shit and penis poster

>>4534193

Lol, surprised you didn't get a ban desu.

>>4534218
I did

>>4534193
crt electricity and poo water dont mix well. stay safe you crazy bastard.
>>4534241
I wish mods would do public bans more often.

>>4533437
>but who the fuck gives a shit about s-video in this case
Well there is PC-FX which only outputs composite and s-video, but it lacks games to be relevant in this case.
Extron has S-Video->RGB converters, I wonder if they work correctly with OSSC.

>>4533501
What's a good size for any TV?? Very subjective question, and this is entirely based on your living space and set up.

I have both a desk and a couch set up, so I have my 14 inch PVM at my desk and 24 inch WEGA at the couch. For a desk setup, 8" (Wouldn't recommend), 14", and 19" are typically best. For a couch set up where you sit a couple feet back, anything from 19"+ will fly for me.

>>4533501
go big or go home.
desk setup needs 14 inch
6 foot distance between you and CRT 20 inch
anything more and you gotta get a 36inch.
If you plan on playing splitscreen or 2 or 4 players it doesn't matter then you need a CRT projector

>>4532269
>Import Friendly
Does that mean it has a 2 prong US plug

>>4534605
>20 inch
>6 feet

shit dude, 2 feet is my maximum distance for 20 inch.

Isn't sitting close to a CRT bad for you? not even talking about eyesight

I have a 20M2MDU and I love the fuck out of it for 240p content

Its so fucking hard to find PVM's in Dallas. Im really considering getting an OSSC for my projector

It's a Mitsubishi WD2000 1080i RGB (BNC) inputs/DVI/S Video etc. I know I cant do line x4 but does anyone have experience with the OSSC?

>>4533573
>>4533573
They're great for portability. Great for people who move every year from one apartment to another. but if you want scanlines then look else where. The smaller you go the less pronounced scanlines are and the display will look more "modern" and lcd like. They're still top notch crt but not what most people in the niche are looking for. Which means they should be cheap abd abundant.

If youre going to be using it just for yourself then 8-10in will be ok. You'll need to sit closer to like you would a computer monitor. I use a 13in pvm and for my uses its as small as i would go. Small and light enough while still habing enough screen space for cozy 2 play split screen

>>4535052
The projector is 1280x768, so closest match would be line3x mode. Ideally you'd want to program a new mode for the non-square 1280x768 rather than using any of the OSSC's default options.

>>4534964
>this meme again

>>4535208
Thanks. PVMs don't pop up a lot where I am and those that do carry the retro gaming meme tax so I might try to snag one of the smaller ones if i see one. I'm not too worried about the scanlines and the fact that they aren't fuckhueg is a plus as well.

>>4534193

Post the one with the tv in the toilet again. It’s my favorite retro battlestation pic

Goodwill and second-hand stores no longer accept CRT televisions in their stores, so are there any other places to find CRTs other than craigslist or ebay?

>>4535913
Facebook Marketplace is legit

>>4532520
Is this Goemon 64?

>>4532559
You only need one

>>4535913
I know that this is true, but the goodwill next to my office still takes in 'nice' CRTs occasionally, I think it needs to meet some criteria of not being disgusting or something. I got pic related at a good will a few months ago.

>>4535913
>>4537384
Also the 'second-hand stores' part is to broad to be true. Plenty of regional, non-chain thrift stores will take basically anything. Pic related, got the 8" on top at a local place for $5.99.

>>4537384
>>4537392
Ah those 80s Trinis are the coolest!

>>4537528
Agreed wholeheartedly, I actually just sold my one mediocre PVM and am going primarily consumer going forward. I think my 13" has bad caps or something though, the image will get wavy for a few seconds at a time every once in awhile. Seems to happen more often when it hasn't been on for a long time, sometimes the sound cuts out too. I hope it holds up though, I'd hate to trash it.

>>4533352
I keep meaning to buy Super Mario 64 Shindo before him or some other autist drives the price up. It’s around $10, I get that rumble is the only real difference from the US version but I think it would be a fun gimmick to get me to play the game again.

>>4534128

Stupid question, but could there be a magnet/convergence strip that fell off sticking to the side of the case? Do you have speakers near it? Does the case on a PVM need to be grounded? I'm just spitballing here in hopes it might help.

>>4532269
What CRT Monitor has the best colors?

>>4537603
I already checked, there's nothing.
I have no speakers, only a normal TV on the right side, but i dont think that's affecting.
I don't know if the case is grounded, I'll have to check.
Thank you for your input anon.

>>4537625
The one that's least used

>>4537636
I'm kind of curious do you have a comparison between an old and new CRT?

My Sony Trinitron is making a hissing noise. It's coming from the back of the TV. The noise would start each time I played a game for at least 10 minutes then it would stop, but now it is lasting longer.

Anyone know what this might be?

>>4535815
It doesn't really fit in the toilet though

>>4533471
Can someone recommend me a good genesis SCART cable that isn't sold out everywhere?

>>4537678
caps dying
tube dying
could be anything.

>>4533307
Underated post

>>4537975

Still gold. Thanks and saved

which snes games use hires dither to fake transparency ?
I know of Jurassic Park, Kirby 3.
Also, which snes games feature 480i ? Even only for intro or menus.
I remember that Yuyu hakusho anime fighter has a 480i title, and I just discovered that one of the masaya Ranma 1/2 game is fully 480i oddly.

>>4532269
Can anyone sign off on this? Know nothing about CRTs and I'm trying to set up a lil retro gaming room. It's free. 27 inches.

>>4538818
pretty legit I had a very similar model back when it was new. Make sure to check the picture to see if its fucked or not. Normally there's some warping of the image in the corners. Deffo has component and possibly s-video.

>>4538818 Its very good but most prefer toshiba as all the extra processing in sonys need turned off. the my life in gaming channel on youtube recommend toshiba. Use component inputs and order a switcher unit and set color temp to warm2.

I'm worried about my crt. It made a static snap and the picture went out and came back immediately.

If I ever get into a situation where I can't play on a crt, I'm selling all my games.

>>4538818
Good tv anon, my parents had one back in the day. Should work great for retro games. The corners may have slight geometry issues on flat screen, but you usually don't really notice it in game unless looking for it. 240p test suite may look a bit weird but even then should be a great set to play games on.

>>4538456
I think smw uses it for the water in some of the stages.

>>4538903
>>4538919
>>4539325
Someone already claimed it. Back to the drawing board.

>>4538919
>spoonfed by ecelbs

>>4538818
just get a buddy and pick it up man. It's free.

>>4533302
Yeah, but LGR is cool and most of what he reviews is either stuff that only dedicated collectors would even think about, or is rendered obsolete by DOSbox. He even had a video in which another Youtuber showcased DOSbox as a viable alternative to buying and building with outdated hardware.

>>4533354
>796MB Plus
I have that exact model. It works pretty well for me. Since it's a monitor designed for sRGB the colors are way too vivid on some consoles (think GBA emulator-tier), but that's the only issue I had.

If you want to know anything about the display, just hit me up.

Does anyone know how to fix or troubleshoot a dead HDMI port on a Sony KV-34HS420 34-Inch FD Trinitron WEGA?

P.S. I know HD CRT aren't the best for retro gaming, but I mainly watch movies on this one. Honestly though, the lag isn't very bad at all, much better than most lcd tvs.

>>4539501
jump on anything that looks similar and is 27inch plus

>>4533302
i have the same monitor as lgr! he also has this one >>4537975
he used it to demo his pc-88

>>4539809
Do the other inputs work? Are you sure you're sending it the correct video format?

I'll make sure to get Majin Tensei.

andmGi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws6taSpTvHU
Anyone recognise what monitors this nigger's trying to sell?

>>4539325
SMW uses regular res dithering, just checked

>>4540671
Fuuuuu
Funny thing is I live 20 minutes from this place. If they only knew Redditfags were gobbling these up like hot cakes.

>talking to a guy that says he's part of the CRT master race
>he posts a picture of his games on it
>it's not a fucking crt, it's an old plasma TV. I tell him so
>"it's a flat crt!"

How far will the meme go?

>>4541593
Probably underage or early 20-something.

anyone know if there is such thing as underwater webcam esk device that leads out to component. I have a turtle and want to keep him somewhere that i can't see him but will be able to see him through the cam which would be something that's lead out to my tv.

i guess if that doesn't exist then one that leads out to an HDMI and then i could just use some converter or something

>>4541629
everything about this question

>>4541641
come on chop chop there's gotta be someone smarter than this guy to recommend me something

The old guy is still putting out videos guys.

https://youtu.be/6B72nc2MUMA

How are the Trinitron widescreen CRTs? Might be able to get one for cheap.

>>4541659
Based.

>>4541689
they're great, i've got a 34xbr960 and love it

>>4541650
>>>/an/

>>4541629
This has nothing to with gaming, fuck off
>>>/g/

>>4541772
>>4541778
I want it to hook up to a CRT

>>4540671
>>4541483
Just looks like some security monitors

>>4541808
And you need information regarding a waterproof camera, not a CRT

/an/ or /p/ would be able to give you better answers.

>>4541862
found it

My Toshiba CRT has component and I want to turn my PSP GO into a micro PS1 of sorts. OEM cables are $25 bucks or more. Pic related goes for $5-8. Anyone have experience with these? My fear is that they're just gonna output composite.

>>4542646
Should work fine, I've never heard of any generic component cables outputting composite

https://www.amazon.com/Sylvania-LC200SL8-20-Inch-Built-Tuner/product-reviews/B000N45W5G

Pic related

480p 4:3 EDTV 20" LCD

or am I better off playing on a 480i CRT

thanks my friends

using for wii (all games support progressive scan)

>>4542801
You'd be better off playing on literally anything else.

Seriously.

thanks:)

Is "composite is shit" a meme?

>>4543085
It is perfectly usable for gaming (if you're in the US, that or RF were how most people played their shit back in the day), but of course it is inferior to RGB in terms of cleanness and color.

>>4543085
Absolutely, composite is life. I use RF for everything, so composite is that fancy shit.

>>4543085
its only one step up from the definition of shit which is rf. so it's pretty bad.

>>4543085
Its not shit but theres really no excuse not to use at least s-video.

>>4543692
some consoles have composite as their best native output.:sadface:

>>4543085

It's ok for things like NES. It's definitely playable but much lower quality than s-video, component, or rgb.

My thought on it: RF 1/10, Composite 4/10, S-video 7/10, Component or RGB 10/10.

Of course, to top this off, a better tv or pvmeme will look better than a poor one, even with the same hook up type.

waddaya all think eh?

>>4543865
not retro, nice TV though.

anyone know of a streaming device with component out?
I want to use it to watch all my pirated shit on my crt through component I'm using my PS3 right now but want to conserve its lifespan by playing only vidya on it.

Any tips to improve my 20m2u's geometry?

>>4545116
Fuck around with the service menu until you know what you're doing.

>>4545116
Leave it alone.

There's virtually nothing wrong with it.

>>4545149
I feel like the entire image is slightly tilted clockwise and it's bothering me

>>4545163
Put a coin under the right hand corner then.

>>4545116
It's practically perfect, I wouldn't touch that. The quest for perfect geometry is like flying to close to the sun.

>>4545173
>>4545205
Just noticed the actual tube was inserted a little crooked into the chassis upon closer examination, that's what's giving me the slightly sloped image. Guess I'll live with it.

>>4545230
Interesting, in that case >>4545173 sounds like a great idea.

>>4545231
Think it'll be hard to open it up and adjust it myself, or will I be treading dangerous waters and possibly fuck something up inside by doing so?

>>4545240
That one's out of my wheelhouse, I generally take what I'm dealt with CRT geometry and don't do much innards work. I'll let someone else chime in, but my thought is that your geometry is so good I wouldn't risk it, but as stated above, I'm no pro.

Pic is of my Toshiba. You lads think this is fixable in the service menu? I've never fiddled with geometry before and I'd need to track down a remote for this set (though I guess a universal remote would do).

>>4545093
Sorry this isn't vidya related go to g or somewhere else otherwise all the butt hurt bootyheads here will still screaming at you. You'll probs get banned bc that's how fickle these guys' lives are

Should I buy a 21" LG Flatron or a 27" LG Flatron?

I already have a curved screen 27" CRT and I wanted to buy a new one because of these reasons:

- Aperture grill.
- Flat screen.

I don't personally like the look of Sony WEGA CRTs, but I imagine they're pretty similar to these. Also, by not being being Sony it means these are cheaper.

Also, they cost the same. I've found 21" to be the sweet spot for gaming, but I'm really torn between the two. Besides, the 21" is from 2002 and the 27" is from 2007, I imagine the geometry got better with time.

>>4545387
buy the newer one

https://youtu.be/VdRN9gWyJd8

>We don't have any of those old grandpa's TVs left in stock for this video
>Fuck it, we'll just grab a bunch of RGB monitors from storage instead

>>4545579
fucking disgusting. If you're going to destroy a crt send it off with an explosion. Sheeple today are so fucking pathetic they cant do anything right.

Some anon mentioned there was a way to stream random anime in something like 144p through a wii or a PS3 to a CRT. I think through Mplayer? Is that still possible? I hope someone knows what I'm talking about.

>>4546032
WiiBrew says Mplayer has been deprecated and superseded by a better application, but I'm not sure which one that would be. I'm curious about this myself.

>>4546032
>>4546419
Either way, you'll end up with 480i out of the Wii in that situation anyway.

PS3 will also end up giving you 480i, but has the benefit of having a bit more horsepower and the benefit of being able to pair it with a streaming server to send content to it.

>>4546032
>>4546419
It appears that WiiMC is the most recently updated (2013) if you're looking to use a Wii.

>>4546032
PS3 would be more convenient since you can just set up a UPnP server.

>>4546481
Wii can do 240p output though.

>>4546735
Can you force 240p on any homebrew media players though? I didn't see it mentioned as a feature on any of the application breakdowns on WiiBrew.

>>4546735
Yes, but the software you're using has to support running at that resolution.

WiiMC doesn't.

>>4545305
pls respond

>>4546956
it you don't notice an issue, why does it matters?

>>4546985
What?
I obviously notice the issue, especially where it's cut off at the top. I'm asking if this looks like an easy fix for a novice or not.

>>4547050
The red areas indicate overscan. Leave it alone.

I swear 90%+ of posts involving that fucking grid don't need to be made in the first place. Possibly more.

>>4546419
>>4546481
>>4546483
>>4546502

Maybe it was WiiMC? All I remember was it being really low resolution, & being a streamable wii channel with old anime on rotation. I think it was like a legacy stream using a really old format.

>>4532564
To be fair, you can get analog video out on the OSSC and hook it up to your snazzy VGA monitor to play some sweet 240 content and or 480p stuff on it. SNES games on a VGA monitor look fantastic.

>>4547884
Hey I have a similar setup. How are you getting VGA? I got one of these and it looks good, thinking about HDfury but not sure given the price point.

>>4547937
I use the same adapter to get VGA and haven't had any issues with visual quality.

>>4547750
Hmm, I just installed WiiMC, going to give it a shot with an SMB share later. I have a feeling it's just going to be 480i, but maybe there's some settings to nerf the resolution when pulling from a network share.

Anyone have picture settings they recommend for a 24FS120? I've got hdretrovision cables with it

>>4548937
Hey same sitch here brotendo, same set and cables. Right now I have the following settings:

Mode: Standard
Color Temp: Neutral
VM: Off
Picture: 70%
Brightness: 40%
Color: 70%
Hue: In the middle
Sharpness: 20%

These are settings I calibrated in the 240p test suite, I would recommend opening it yourself for reference, with things like sharpness and brightness. Otherwise I'd say use a game you play a lot and know visually to calibrate it. My go-to games are Majora's Mask and Super Mario Bros.

Once again these are just my settings, I think they look pretty nice. Find something you're happy with. If any other WEGA owners wanna chime in, I'm sure it'd be appreciated. I'm actually the OP of this thread, so you can see how my set looks in the thread photo!

>>4547937
The HDfury isn't anything special, the generic cheap ones do the same thing.

Are the widescreen Trinitrons any good? I know there's one model that's suppose to be pretty great, but are the rest HDCRT-tier?

darkwatch poster from the last thread
https://youtu.be/cGkbzHi7wJ4

>>4545093
Either get a cheap piece of shit white Xbox 360, or convert HDMI to component. 360s are everywhere in thrift stores, but if you want something more compact you might as well just convert a laptop or something.

What are those companion boxes called that have many knobs like sharpen, saturation, and possibly scaling like compressing and such? Had one when I was a kid with my Sony TV but I don't know what to search now.

PVM 8041Q with 1 chip Super Famicom through RGB uhuhuhu

>>4552270
I've seen them called video enhancer.

What's the point of a Sony PVM/BVM when the largest they ever made them was 20" and most Sony XBR's have component video, which is almost indistinguishable in quality?

>>4553369
Higher quality build, increased TV lines, etc.

>>4553369
the difference between component video and rgb in quality is very similar, but unfortunately the quality of the display's best input is far from being the sole determining factor of image quality. Why would that be the case? That said, I find 27" to be a nice sweet spot for consumer sets, unless you have a bigger area dedicated to just retro games.

There's also an argument to be made about information lost in the color space conversion to ypbpr, but HD retrovision seems to have done really well compared to those scart converters. They'd have you believe it's identical IQ to a really well made RGB cable, but I find that tough to swallow considering they work by stripping from the sync on composite video. ymmv.

Is it wrong if I like to sit pretty far away from my 15" Trinitron?

>>4553369
29" PVMs exist.
Their form factor allow more efficience space use and/or stacking.

>>4553369

pic related

better than using nintendo brand composite cables to play wii games?

>>4553606
off brand s-video cables are a mixed bag because lots of them are wired incorrectly. s-video inputs will almost always still "work" if you just route composite video to both Y and C, but you aren't getting any of the advantages of s-video and it may well look worse than composite. This saves chinks a little money on making cables like the one you posted because it still has composite output, and they can just bridge the three pins near where the cable ends.

There's also the issue of poor shielding, so sync pulses on Y can leak over to C and you get checkerboarding artifacts which are more noticeable if your display is good (or you're using a capture card). If you google around you might find a "good" set of s-video cables, but I've had bad luck with it. I would say look for an OEM cable first, but the Tomee one might be alright.

>>4553651
>sync pulses on Y can leak over to C and you get checkerboarding artifacts
it's C subcarrier freq bleeding over to Y.

>>4550104
Thanks, tv looks much better now. I've also just placed an order for a test suite cart so I can fine tune it.

>>4553651
i have the cable in my possession. it looks better but maybe that’s placebo? what should i look for on a game like super smash brawl

well, playing dark side chronicles and wow this looks pretty amazing so i guess it’s working better than composite

real bubble hours

>>4553671
Tommee is a really good brand that makes repro's. I wouldn't worry about what the other anon said.

question for those of you who use scart to YUV adaptor boxes with no audio passthrough, what do you do for systems like the SNES? how do you pull the audio? special cable?

>>4555221
Special cable

>>4532269
Quick question, what retro console do you use to dial in your PVM? I used SNES, now other consoles are not quite the right size. I'm just looking for the console to use so everything is decently sized.

>>4555221
assuming you mean scart to yuv, pic related. Some also have a pair of wires going to RCA, but sometimes they are wired to 1 and 3 as they are meant to be used on scart port 2.

Some just drill a hole, put a jack socket and solder to 2, 6 and ground.

Posting this >>4556116 question in this thread too

>>4553671
If it looks better it looks better. It's up to you.

>>4543865
That an FV310?

>>4556119
Americans never adopted an all-purpose solution like SCART as a standard which is what you might be used to. So the fidelity of the input is determined by the type of connector being used. Obviously it's preferable to get a TV with component inputs, or at least s-video. RGB doesn't really exist in the consumer space outside of VGA.

SCART to americans now means "RGB" even if that's not always true, and since the whole thing being used for retro is a workaround to begin with, you get wacky abominations like this thing: >>4555859

>>4555841
I used my Super Famicom and just change h size and v size for anything else

I've been getting into shmups a lot, and am trying to get a bunch of shooters on the Saturn. From what I understand most every one supports TATE mode for beautiful 3:4 arcade play. Will turning my PVM1344Q on its side every time I play and turning it back do any damage? It has really good geometry and everything, would hate to see some issues arise from the occasional TATE game.

>>4556571
Don't turn it when it's on, and let it sit there for a bit before you to use it; That goes for both directions.

You could end up with a bit of a purity change, but on something smaller like that, I wouldn't expect it. And even if it does crop up, so long as you haven't fiddled around with the purity rings on the tube itself (i.e they're still glued down/together) turning it back to normal should get rid of the issue as well.

>>4532563
Mah nigga I have the same exact tv.

>>4553923
yikes, I bought that SONY for $20 at the goodwill and I was pissed I had to pay that much.

when using 16:9 mode on my PVM, I notice three horizontal bars above the image, red green and blue respectively. is this normal? what are the implications of using 16:9 mode for extended periods?

>>4557836

I remember reading in a service manual that the rgb bars above the image were normal.

IDK on the 16:9 mode but I doubt it would be a problem. I assume it's just focusing on the screen differently, though this could be a wildly incorrect assumption.

All right. Not technically retro but whatever. I have an Original Xbox that I want to get component cables for to display on my CRT, this way I can get the best signal. However there is 2 OEM component sets. 1 which is just a cord with the available component inputs and 1 box which allows you to connect your own rca cables + toslink. Does anyone know if there is a difference between the 2OEM versions quality wise? And yes I had a bad experience with the 3rd party and I use the thing for emulators.

>>4557869
In my experience the beam is simply squished vertically so the final image remains high resolution but slightly brighter due to the smaller area the beam is projected unto.
Any data that would otherwise be hidden in overscan is revealed because there's no masking done in the vertical portions of a widescreen frame.

Is this a good tv? does anyone here have this one? the ad says its 28inches and 20$

>>4558227
yes thats probably the best SD flat screen you can find with component. The later wega trinitrons with digital inputs are 480p/1080i.

>>4558227
its good enough. It has all the connections you'll ever need for all NA retro consoles. Flat face trinitrons tend to have some geometry issues but it's nothing that some tinkering in the service menu won't fix.

price wise these usually go for free since most sellers just want it hauled away w/o having to move it themselves. but 20 bucks isn't too bad though.

>>4557904
>inputs

I managed to snag this today in GA! It's a Nanao MS9-29A. It's absolutely gorgeous and stupid big and getting it up three flights of stairs into my apartment was a nightmare

I don't have a signal generator or a way to hook it up yet, but my goal for this year was finally getting around to building a MAME cabinet and the last thing I wanted to do was stick an LCD panel in it

>>4537640
Walk into an arcade.

>>4558273
One is a cord and one is the box as you can see. I ask because the cord seems more expensive by average though I hear the monster cables are of comparable quality.

It's some strange brand known as DMTech which I can't find any info about, but the image quality is actually alright.

>>4557904
I'd expect them to be similar. The box has the advantage of the TOSLINK.

The cheapo ebay ones definitely are bad, they're not proper coax.

>>4558469

I have one of the box ones. I'd say it has the potential to be better as you can use better cables on it (shielded) and the part coming from the xbox is short. The fiber audio is a nice add on.

Honestly though, I don't think it would make much difference, but I don't know of any shit tier ones in the box style.

I have mine modded as well. I have most systems so I mainly use it for playing portables on the big screen.

my meme game has arrived

>>4560181

this is now a /crossover/ thread

enough of the mother 2 please

beat his ASS

https://youtu.be/T7_CychOtto?t=9m27s

Posting some pics of my 20M2MDU.

>>4560914
So sad the file limit is 4MB. Ruining these pics haha.

>>4560937

>>4560940

This thing is available locally for $25, is it worth picking up? Based on some Googling, I think it's probably a KV-20EXR10.

>>4560942

>>4560948

>>4560956

>>4560959

>>4560962
how do you stop the shadow mask from getting in the way

>>4560991
Uhh you don’t. That’s how you get a picture. I’m confused.

Are you referring to the interference you get when filming CRTs?

>>4561003
UHHHH, i'm talking about those black bars that scroll vertically when taking a picture. Every time my camera focuses I get that artifact sometimes and in your photos I see no signs of it even taken really close.

>>4561076
That's the scren refreshing. You have to sync your camera, i think?

>>4561076
>>4561317
Set shutter speed lower than screen refresh rate i.e 1/30 second or slower.

>>4561354
You can still get a difference in brightness based on where the beam is at that moment.

Usually, sticking to clean integers of the refresh minimizes it, but you can still run into it even then.

>>4561076
Adjust the scanlines to maximum output and set the aperture grill on low heat (especially if you prefer a pink center). If you are using composite cables, be sure to plug the red and white leads into the R and G inputs, respectively.

>>4561443
>set the aperture grill on low heat

>>4561076
Yeah that’s not the aperture grille. That’s just the camera not syncing up with the screen refresh. Set your camera shutter speed to 1/60 (if in the US) and it should pretty much be eliminated entirely.

tfw can't find a cheap emotia

>>4558227
>flat screen
intothetrash.jpg

The trinitron I have was made in 1994 according to the manual. In the service menu it has these 60hz options which definitely changes what the TV shows as when loading my PAL Smash Melee, the picture is shifted down until the 60hz option is accepted.

It seems weird that a European TV from that time would even have that as an option since the majority of consumers would be using PAL hardware. Still pretty cool though.

The trinitron I have was made in 1994 according to the manual. In the service menu it has these 60hz options which definitely changes what the TV shows as when loading my PAL Smash Melee, the picture is shifted down until the 60hz option is accepted.

It seems weird that a European TV from that time would even have that as an option since the majority of consumers would be using PAL hardware. Still pretty cool though.

Just picked up a PVM 20M2U this week. Really enjoying it!

>>4562449

Sick sick set-up.

Got a new Tinitron a while back but the speakers are blown, they buzz and compress any kind of bass even when at low volume. Is this fixable or should I be soldering new speakers in?

>>4562619
>not using external stereo setup

>>4562627
Doesn't fit on my bedside table, unless people know of some tiny speakers.

Theres a couple of JVC tvs around my area (facebook marketplace) but I have no idea which one to get I already have a TV with component and composite inputs I just want one with s-video, what would be my best bet? or should I just ask if it has the inputs?

>>4562707
r2c3
r3c2
r3c3
likely all have s-video. the the two silver faced d-series in row 3 likely have component and would be a little newer.

>>4562841
alright thank you.

>>4560946
You absolutely should pick it up, EXR trinis are rare. The 20 is the base model but it's still a prosumer-grade set. Plus they have cute little feet

Are Trinitron PC monitors also good?

>>4562870
Yeah

Why do I feel like 15" is too small?

>>4562380
>It seems weird that a European TV from that time would even have that as an option since the majority of consumers would be using PAL hardware
Most TVs sold in PAL countries since at least the beginning of the 90s have been able to handle 60hz without having to change any settings.

>>4562934
That depends on how you plan to use it. 14''/15'' is quite usable at a desk setup or what have you, but if you're going to be sitting back a few feet or have definite plans of a lot of multiplayer, you may want to go bigger.

Double Dragon 2 on PVM-8042Q via composite. The Firemen on PVM-20L2MD with RGB (Voultar rgb board in SNS-101.

Double Dragon was a bit bright, sorry about that, but you know how it is trying to capture these images.

what do you think would this be any decent?
14'' Philips
something called FSO vision apparently

>>4562870
Diamondtron tubes are also good. Doesn't need to be a Sony aperture grille to be good.

I actually paid $5 for this a few weeks ago because it doesn't exist on the internet. Service manual for BVM-1315 and BVM-1415P/PM

Get it before it's gone, hopefully someone can archive this so it's available online: https://anonfile.com/1cn156dbb1/BVM1315_SM_SONY_EN.pdf

>>4553490
There was someone here that was importing one of those 45 inch Sonys from Japan like 2 years ago but he never updated the story.

>>4563384
That was the consumer version of the 4300, the KX-45ED1.

RIP anon.

>>4562619
>>4562635
Just buy headphones.

I was just given a crt tv. I haven't used one in ages, but it's kinda cool having one again. I might hook up my SNES or Genesis to it later tonight so see how it looks.

I got this guy off of craigslist for $85, seems to work wonderfully. Just need to lug it upstairs and get all my older consoles (and possibly PC) hooked up to it and we'll be in business.

>freeeeeeeeeeee
I can make my dream setup

>>4564356
>$85
Fucking delusional Reddit posters

>>4564356
>$85

You're a tard.

>>4564356
I at least would've bartered it down a bit to something not nuts. Even 50 is a bit much if you ask me.

I have a question I'm not sure if this is regarding CRTs but if I were to own a Famicom how would I go about hooking it up to a CRT that doesn't catch the required channels? Can't I just hook it up to a tv antenna like a Trek? Also when I was looking up famicoms on eBay I notice some just say "Family computer" on the front but others feature the "FF" acronym. I was wondering is there a difference between the two or are they pretty much the same? If the TV antenna method doesn't work then I will just find a cheap vcr or dvd player to hook it up.

>>4564860

>>4564889
thanks

>>4564860
Yeah homie just hook the Famicom into a VCR's coax port and then use the VCR's composite out to your tv, much easier than trying that finicky channel 83 bullshit

>>4564860
What in the absolute fuck are you going on about? Dude, just put the colored dicks in the matching colored holes. You'll be alright.

>>4564913
i have a small dvd player and the coax port looks like this, will it still work?

>>4564934
that's digital audio out, not RF video in.

>>4564953
then I'll buy an AV Famicom.

>>4564914

The famicom only supports RF you fucking moron, and requires access to channel 83 which NA NTSC tvs don't have access to. Jesus fuck.

>>4553369
The biggest one they had was a widescreen 32", fool.

>>4565006
You can mod it to support RCA jacks with composite video and mono/dual mono audio.

>>4564914
>Dude, just put the colored dicks in the matching colored holes
/pol/ PLS GO

>>4565023
Or you can be not autistic and get an AV Famicom. But we know what you are.

>>4564572
>>4564589
Yeah, lemme just head down to my Free CRT Emporium and pick one up.

>>4562635

Look on ebay for "amplified pc speakers" or "amplified laptop speakers". Find a small set. Profit. Also look into wall mount speakers, they have brackets that you could mount them to the wall. Soundbars would also work but cost quite a bit more. Also "computer speakers" would probably get you a lot of results.

>>4564860
Get the AV Famicom so you don't have to mess around with retarded shit like RF.

How long until they don't make CRTs anymore?

>>4565494
I don't even think they make CRTs in the public sector anymore.

>>4563420
but doesn't it have image processing ? Lag ?
I guess we will never know.

>>4565596
I've wondered the same thing, but no idea.

The PVM version implies that it supports 15khz and 31khz, but then you have the KX possibly having a frame buffer?

>>4560095
>>4559649
I see. I got the box. Nice to get toslink audio since analog rca is a little quiet on my aging reciever. Thanks for the help guys.

Well, I'm having a nightmare of a situation.

I just tried hooking up my LaserActive to my XRGB Mini via composite to see if I could get it up and running on my home theatre instead of my CRT.

Unfortunately the colors are all skewed and there's a green line down the far left of the screen.

Does anyone have any idea what might be causing this? It looks fine when I hook it up to my CRT and even on the XRGB, laserdiscs don't have any colour issues it's only my mega drive and mega cd games.

>>4566352
>another laseractive bro
Neat, though I can't help with your XRGB situation.
Have any images of it running on the CRT? I'm wondering if it has the same issues that both mine have on their composite signal.

>>4566401
I don't have any pics of it on the crt readily available. What are you looking for?

I've also realised I can just shift the Hue and it looks correct, but fuck me the quality looks very off compared to what I get on the CRT.

Maybe the LaserActive just doesn't play nice with the XRGB. No idea.

>>4565023
>The biggest one they had was a widescreen 32", fool.
errr, other than the 43" PVM in this thread. And the big pro-monitor from other companies. But sure, 32" widescreen.

Anyone in the Boston area looking for a sweet CRT, this popped up on Craigslist this morning. I called the guy and had him check the model number, it's a KV-27FS120, BRAND NEW, in the box, for FREE. The dude told me they bought it for a spare room or something and just never ended up using it and it's been sitting in the box in storage for over a decade. I passed on it because I'm looking for a 480p set, but I'm sure someone here might give it a good home.

https://boston.craigslist.org/nos/zip/d/free-sony-tv-27-wega-triniton/6485116918.html

>>4558371
Post pics of the the back.

>>4567212
To be entirely fair. the 4300 is a unicorn.

That said, the PVM-3230 would sort of beat the D32/A32 depending on how you're going about measuring things. A tad lighter too.(185lb vs 206lb)

>>4564356
I have this exact TV, Anon. I got mine for free. Mine is currently having a power issue, so I've got to fix it up, but when it was running the picture on it was absolutely fantastic.

I picked up the following today. Mitsubishi AM-1401R Monitor/Receiver. I cant find any information on the monitor though. Is anyone familiar with this model? Im not familiar with the inputs on the back. Is there any desirability for this model?

>>4567974

>>4567974
It's a pro monitor from 1989. Cool vintage stuff with limited usability. You could hook up old computers to it using that RGB port. Mostly Japanese computers though, like the MSX or PC-X800.

>>4567987
Ok thanks. I figured I could use it for my old computers but was unfamiliar with that style rgb port.

>>4567992
Pretty sure that monitor is like an early Megaview. It's definitely a neat thing to have, especially if you plan on getting into vintage Japanese computing. It'll still be entirely usable for composite of course and you might even be able to get JP21 into that RGB port but idk cause it's usually described as digital.

>>4567984
If this TV is NTSC USA or Japan then you can get BNC to RCA adapters for the BNC connectors on the back and run composite NTSC from your consoles.

>>4567974
What kind of RGB input is that? Ive not seen one like that and googling came up with nothing either. What region did you buy this in?

>>4568738
It's just a digital rgb port used in Japan. The connector it uses is EIAJ-8.

Is a Sony Triniton XBR any good?

>>4569036
XBR was their high end consumer line, so yes. If you can get one then you should, as long as the price isn't retarded like $85 or something.

>>4565873
hoo boy you fucked up. I'm extremely familiar with the xbox and the second type of official component cables are the best ones made. Excellent shielding, the optical out is on the head of the connector so you fucked up by not doing your research there, and best of all? the HD AV pack gets looser over time because microsoft fucked up the build quality on it.

Sorry m8, you'll end up buying the better set eventually and have wasted twice as much money. My credentials are I have 4 years experience repairing and modifying Xboxes, working on all the different hardware revisions, testing dozens of different AV cables, first and third party.

>>4541593
Sure it wasn't an edtv?

>>4569323
Why are we still talking about Xbox here?

Is there a reliable list of consumer CRTs capable of 480p?

I'm just very confused, because I've found sets that list that they're capable of "hi-scan" and can display 1080i, but whenever I find an account of someone owning the specific model, they say it couldn't do 480p. It's an extremely baffling thing to try and sort through, made even worse by the fact that a lot of online specs are just incorrect, and people selling TVs don't really care to accurately describe the TV or give you the model number.

>>4569683
I think every consumer CRT when straight from 480i to 1080i (with 480p and 720p available but through scaling).
True 480p is only present on multiformat video monitors (and computer CRTs too I guess).

>>4569708
>True 480p is only present on multiformat video monitors
Absolutely certifiably 100% incorrect. There are consumer sets that directly allow 480p, they are just rare.

Jesus, nothing pisses me off more than people spreading misinformation

>>4569778
take a chill pill dude

>>4569778
post said models and where to find them then

>>4569683
pc crt

>>4569824
That's what I was asking, if there was a definitive list. I know a few, but they're big sets. The Samsung TXM3096WHF is one such model. Most are listed as "Enhanced Definition" TVs, as opposed to standard or high def.

>>4569576
I walked him through getting the model number until we confirmed that it was a plasma.

>>4569884
>Samsung TXM3096WHF
This is pulled right from the owner's manual for it (and the 98).

(480i); 480p and 1080i. So 480p is gonna get scaled/windowboxed up into 540p or 1080i.

Is a 8" Trinitron PVM-8042Q worth it for $60?

What about a 14" PVM-14N5U for the same price?

I have a 27u-f510 sharp. It has composite, component and s-video. The picture is absolutely fantastic with really vivid colors. It's the best one I've used other than a 20" PVM. If you can find that model of sharp, I imagine you're wildest retro dreams will come true.

No one ever talks about sharp on here, but I can vouch for this model at least. It's very good.


>>4570247

The 8" has RGB/component. It's tiny but cool. I have one and they are a pretty nice monitor, though small. You're going to want to be computer monitor distance from this as you play.

The 14" is composite or svideo only. Better size, but no RGB. That said, s-video on this monitor (or composite) will probably look better than on a consumer set.

$60 isn't stupidly out of line, though it's about as much as you would want to pay for an 8". $60 for the 14" isn't out of line either but personally I'd rather pay more for a monitor with RGB/component.

Sorry anon, you'll have to make up your mind, but neither is a horrible price.

>>4569708
Noob here. How does scaling to 480p affect the picture as opposed to "true" 480p?

>>4570526
lag for starters, usually between 2 and 4 frames because of added processing.
Then general picture definition.
This can go from still ok to downright horrible like Samsung widescreens CRTs are.

>>4542801
>Sylvania
lol

>>4538818
I have something like this, I don't know if it's the exact same model but it's certainly similar, a 27" WEGA trinitron.

There's some blurring around the edges, particularly in the corners which I guess is just to be expected of flat CRT screens, but most of the picture is sharp as can be. Color wise mine's got a bit of a greenish tinge that doesn't quite disappear completely no matter how I fiddle with the display settings. It's not overbearing but it's noticeable in scenes that are meant to look white, like the Wii home menu for instance. Still, I got mine for $20 and for that price it's all around pretty great, so I'm sorry to hear you missed out on that one.

>>4569884
I believe the KV 34XBR960 can do proper 480p, but I can't be sure. I can't find anything that seems to suggest otherwise like >>4569987

>>4570816
I don't quite see how that other post disproves pure 480p, but im new to this so maybe im missing something. Nothing specifically mentions scaling, it just states the resolutions. If all it takes to forfeit true 480p is to also list 1080i, then the model you speak of is also incapable, because a quick search lists it as HD.

>>4569987
I don't get it, though. If a tv can scan at 1080i, shouldn't it also be able to scan at 480p? Isn't the whole "no fixed resolution" thing one of the biggest advantages of CRTs?

>>4570816
All the Sony HDCRT TVs are also 1080i native.They do handle 480p quite well, but can't scan it straight up. With the exception of a service menu tweak for 1080i stuff, everything being fed to the TV is passed through the "Digital Reality Creation" matrix, and then passed along to the CRT for display.

>>4571084
The circuitry required to scan at multiple resolutions adds extra complication and cost. For HD CRTs, the main thing they were aiming for was compatibility with HD broadcasts and the like, which were done at 1080i. As such, you build around that, and then aim to add support for other resolutions as best as you can from there.

The tubes themselves aren't fixed resolution by any means, but the circuitry driving them can be, and in the case of HDCRT TVs, are; They're locked to 33.6khz, giving you the option of 1080i or 540p.

This isn't to say that you CAN'T have stuff that can support both 480p and 1080i, just that you're not gonna see it on a consumer TV.

>>4564570
Got two of these fuckers home today. Need some adjustments but fuck I'm happy. One went to a good bro and I'm keeping the other one.

A friend of mine gifted me a nice little Sony Trinitron KV-20FV300.

How bad is this convergence? can this be adjusted with the rings?

I'm relatively new to CRTs but I know how to discharge them and work without killing myself.

My only other CRT experience was with a Viewsonic Professional 220f that I bought in 2016 as new-old stock in the box. it died after a month and I can't diagnose it without better tools so it's in storage.

Thanks for your time

>>4570605
Isn't it one of Vestel's shitty brands?

>>4571101
>service menu tweak for 1080i stuff
Please elaborate

>>4571207
240p test suite has a grid pattern. open that up and start finger fucking those rings.

>>4571930
There is a setting in the service menu, HDPT, that allows you to bypass some of the signal processing done by the TV, that can supposedly reduce the delay introduced by the TV, but only for 1080i signals.

I haven't had the patience to get my HS420 going decently enough to test it, so I can't comment on it directly aside from that it exists.

to post something important in a thread thats about to die or wait until new thread gets made for my post to be ignored. the struggles

>>4569036 here.

I picked up a KV-32XBR90S and it seems like the video doesn't work. I can clearly hear and feel the power come on, but the screen is black with some flickering red, green, and blue lines in the very top of the top left corner. Any ideas?

BVM-1315 troubleshooting for anyone interested:

I recently bought one. Had issues where it turned off immediately after powering on. As it powered on the OVERLOAD light turned on, then instant power down.

Googling told me to turn down brightness and contrast. I did that using manual mode (by depressing the buttons on front panel for brightness and contrast) and it fixed it.

It wasn't perfectly straight forward since when not in manual mode (switches depressed) it powered off immediately upon powering on. There is a lock on a pull out drawer on the right side, long story short, if you remove the front bezel, you can access and remove the drawer's face, letting you take off the locking tab on the lock. This lets you open the drawer whenever you want.

Once the lock is disabled and the tray slides out, you can adjust the board which controls auto mode. Very simple, but impossible to fix if the drawer is locked. Also RGB mode and a lot of useful stuff is in here.

So, for anyone who's finished this blog, moral of the story is this: most sellers have no idea about this old tech, if you take a gamble you might get a bvm for cheap. If they say it shuts off immediately upon powering on, they probably don't know to adjust contrast and brightness, having a locked drawer compounds the issue. I don't think PVMs have this protection circuit built in, but a lot of BVMs do.

I'll post some pics soon.

>>4572791 here again.

I tested all the inputs (3 composite and S-Video inputs) and the audio works fine. That tells me the issue is somewhere in the video processing (obviously). I assume this can range anywhere from bad caps or a broken connection to a bad tube? I noticed that the screen is showing a very dim flickering light across the top. I can post a picture if needed. Based off of what I previously described, does anyone have at least a hunch?

>>4570521
Sharp is well known. They made units with built in NES consoles that have some of the best possible pictures for that system.

anyone have headphone amp kits/circuits links ?
I might need some for a con and I would like each console to have an headphone amp with 2 out (with volume adjustable for each).
Cause the puny mono speaker (for those which have one...) won't cut it in a con noise.

>>4573037
>calls the famicom nes

Just picked up a trinitron from goodwill in great condition.

All of my consoles are nice and sharp with svideo or component, but when I try to use a computer with Svideo the image quality is blurry and it only reports 29hz

anyone have any insights?

The computer I'm using has a core2quad and an 8600gt running windows 10 ltsb

>>4575459
This is entirely normal. TV out isn't great and never was.

Think bandwagon jumpers will move on now that the analogue super nt is out?

>>4576330
They may, 97% of them only play Super NES. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

>>4576330
That's only the Nintendo market of newfags.

Can someone help an anon out?
Every time i select an input on my trinitron, the input name, Video 1, or 2 always stays on the top left of the screen and wont go away.

>finally get a component cable for my PS2
>playing PSX games
>the diphering looks like shit when it's that sharp
>the colors looks amazing compared to composite though

Guess you can't win them all...

>>4577398
embrace the dither
enjoy the dither
love the dither

>>4577398
PSX is like the only console that actually looks better the blurrier it is (with the exception of a handful of 2d games).

>>4569323
Yeah but the optical out connector is on the plug into the console part so that wouldn't work for me anyway. Besides I can just use decent cables to get nice shielding too.

>>4576980

Your remote should have a button that says display on it. If you don't have a remote you'll have to check if it's accessible from the menu.

Were Samsung's smaller CRTs from the late 90s or so any good? Specifically the ones sold in Europe, they might have been made by Vestel like that other Korean brand Daewoo.

>>4572068
Just want to add to this.
I had a Sony TV with HDPT turned off.
It did reduce lag to practically nothing(I read somewhere that it gets rid of all lag).
However, it can only do it through 1080i and it introduced some nasty interference bars when done through HDMI.
If I remember right, getting 1080i though component can only be done with something like HDFury.
I didn't want to drop $200+ for one(not to mention have any lag introduced), so I just dealt with the interference bars.

It's practically useless for retro gaming, since you'll have to deal with converters to get your consoles to output 1080i.
I got really lucky and found a cheap Gefen Home theater scaler that outputted 1080i while doing it in less than 6ms.
Unless you're gonna drop money for a scaler like that, get a separate TV for retro gaming and HD gaming.

>>4578345
Those interference bars are something I've seen with mine as well, but I couldn't say whether it was something wrong with my setup or if it just came with the territory.

Good to know though.

Just picked up this dinosaur at an estate sale not too long ago. A 1970 Sony Trinitron KV-1220U. It was dusty, dirty and had crusty old food on the nobs which I took the time to clean up.
I'm going to have it repaired and RGB modded in the coming weeks.

>>4578851
>RGB modded
How do you do that? That would be very useful for retro enthusiasts in the US.

>>4578864
Not too sure, I'm having someone in LA install it into the tv.
I think it involves a separate RGB board added into the tv and attached to whatever it's supposed to connect to.
I'm not the professional, the guy I'm going to be paying is though.

question, how do you go about fixing a rotated/tilted image? essentially it looks like this (black=physical edge of PVM, red = image), but a bit exaggerated to get the point across. i can kind of remedy it by adjusting settings in the service menu but it'll obviously never be straight. i'm assuming i have to open the PVM up to adjust this? i couldn't find anything in the service menu, please advise /crt/

how deep is a 15" pvm?
i have a really shallow desk, not sure if it will fit

>>4578864
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbi9HEz-cww

>>4579021
Even in their picture at the end it looks nothing like a BVM. It looks like any consumer component television. I mean, it's a big improvement, but comparing it to a PVM/BVM is retarded on multiple levels.

>>4532559
you fucker

got so close to getting a 14L5 for $75

I had 2 8 inch and 2 1343MD's and a 20M2MDU

I sold both 8s and both 13s like an idiot cause I needed the money

fuck me

>>4534193
i just found the PVM version of that monitor for $30 today

I hope to god I get it

>>4542801
fuck off 480i CRT

Wii VC is 240p on component

>>4579021
>we turned a consumer television into an RGB consumer television
>it looks just like a $1000 BVM!

wat? By that logic, every USA component television and European SCART television look just like BVMs. They pretty much turned a $20 CRT into a $25 CRT.

>>4579951
at some point he said it looks like an arcade monitor, which is way more correct.

So I have an extron crosspoint. I know you can hook up Composite video despite it having the rgb labels on the back.

My question is, if I hook up a device into it by Composite will the extron be able to output that image if the outgoing cables are component?
Basically Composite in and component out. Saying it makes it seem like a no brainer that this isn't possible but I'm still curious to know.

I'm trying to hook up a security camera to my extron by Composite but I have all the outputs leading to my tvs by component. Really hoping I don't have to start running a bunch of Composite cables all over the place just for the one camera.

>>4579005
google should pull up the service manual, and the service manual will have the dimensions.

>>4578951
Which PVM? I think most will require you to open the set and rotate the yoke. Be careful. And DESU I'd go get a throwaway freebie consumer set and play with rotating the yoke on that first, watching how the rotation, forward-backward movement and angle the yoke makes with the neck all affect the convergence and purity.

>>4578307
Samsung made their own tubes, and their later ones from 48cm sets are actually really nice. I've used a few in arcade cabs, though it is a fair amount of work to get the convergence right once you lay them back.

>>4571960
Slow down, clown. For starters, that anon posted up a pic of a very tiny area of the screen in question.

>>4571207
Anon, if you posted up that same word being displayed on different areas of the screen, would it look identical, or would the colours be skewed differently in different places?

>>4572968
You turned a dial on the front and fixed the problem? Do you think it came out of the factory in this condition?

so I got this. How badly would old games look on this?

>>4533302

To be fair, CRT prices in general were fairly low before /vr/'s creation, then after the pseudo-retro boom happened everything got jacked up, now even old pc hardware is getting outrageously expensive.

>>4581034

>>4581124
Yeah I just tried f zero x on it. Doesnt look bad when theres a still menu but in motion theres alot of ghosting. My crt also has better colors. least I got it off a curb.

>>4580558

I'm not fully sure if I remember this correctly, but I think I read somewhere PVM yokes are often glued or epoxied into place. I may be really wrong on this but thought I heard it somewhere.

>tfw have to manually adjust the divergence on my PVM because it doesn't have OSD menus

what a mendokusai yare yare oniichan

>>4580574
>You turned a dial on the front and fixed the problem? Do you think it came out of the factory in this condition?

Probably not. I have no idea of the history of the monitor, but I bought it from an online e-cycler place. I imagine they tried to test it and saw it powered down so sold it as is for parts. For whatever reason, the internal adjustment board had contrast and brightness turned too high. On this unit it is accessed through a locked pull out tray/drawer so they would have no way to adjust it without effort. It was easy, but I imagine e-waste recyclers don't troubleshoot old stuff that doesn't work for very long. I googled the symptoms and saw on some ancient forum post that bvm often do this if brightness or contrast is set too high, it even says it in the manuals.

My thoughts were worse case scenario I would have to recap the power supply, if that didn't work, I'd be out $100. It was a crap shoot but it paid off.

I also recently got a PVM-8042Q (8" with RGB) for $35. It was sold as not working. They said the power light comes on but the screen doesn't turn on. They didn't have the cables to test it (bnc). I assumed that they were expecting it to show static like a tv with nothing hooked up. PVM don't have built in tuners so there would be no static. When on without input it's a fully black screen that is dark enough that you can't easily tell it's on. I didn't have to do a thing to it other than put a power cord on it from an old PC.

>>4579951
>wat? By that logic, every USA component television and European SCART television look just like BVMs.
they do. don't be mad you fell for the meme

>>4579672
>>4579951
It was an intentionally clickbaity title, i.e.: a joke.