/vr/ - Retro Games

>mother 3
Not retro. Not even that old. Less than 12 years old in Japan.

>>4588181
honestly are we not at the point where gba games are retro, the console is almost 17 years old, and they used all the same visual techniques to produce as snes games

>>4588185
Mother 3 is 6 months younger than the Wii.

>>4588185
>is board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>>4588154

>>4588186
yeah it was one of the last games developed for the GBA, but it had been in development since the early 90s.

>>4588186
*older

>>4588187
yes i know, im not op, but still questioning the rationale especially seeing the hardware is leaning on 2 decades old.

>>4588194
There's a dedicated board for meta discussion

>>4588201
I did not realize that, but in the future i will go there for this type of discussion. thank you.

>>4588181
Could've posted emulated Earthbound screens as well but who gives a shit.
Of course autists will always find some stupid reason to complain.
Point was: more people should emulate for crisp graphics in awesome resolution.

>>4588202
No problem hombre, this thread itself isn't off-topic so I wasn't trying to be a dick. /qa/ is a newish thing after all.

>>4588206
>>4588201
Take a look at /qa/. There is nothing but shitposting there.

>>4588206
np man, i just feel like that specific era of gaming kind of doesnt have much of a place here or regular /v/

>>4588154

>>4588154
>GBA
>Framemeister
>200$ Component Cables
>OSSC
Wew lad. Your stealth underage console thread is a failure.

>>4588203
but that's not how the games are supposed to look..

>>4588154
Or, just spend $50 on a GCVideo mod.

>>4588154
>Framemeister
>200$ Component Cables
>OSSC
>Flashcarts
>HDMI Mod
>RGB Mod

Half of this shit isn't necessary if you're playing on a CRT TV, or at least a non-HD LCD TV. It's not like either of these is difficult to track down.

>certain games and systems are just better off emulated
Generally no, because then you have to worry about issues like input delay, which is critical for fighting games. Emulation isn't a bad route to go if you do your research and use software that's highly optimized to reduce input delay, but the availability of platforms in that case can be pretty slim.

>>4588202
>>4588201

You're both faggots

>>4588154
Why didn't you just get the GBA player for GC

>>4588257
Big fuckin' deal, you giant autist. What next, you're only allowed to play them at the age of fourteen hunched over a shitty CRT at 6am because "t-that's how I used to play it!"?

CRT faggots need to kill themselves and take their oversized shitbox TVs with them.

>>4588327
Input delay and emulation is a dated subject that is of no issue anymore. There isn't even a fifth of a frame of emulation delay on most emulators.

>>4588525
Go away kid. The games were designed around those resolutions and the limitations of a crt. Emulation is fine, but it is obvious to the majority what benefit crt displays have.

Look at the picture. The text lines up perfectly with where a crt would segregate the visual lines. You can't even attempt to deny this, so don't bother replying.

>>4588327
For pixel games you're generally right but for modern 3d games, higher resolution + HD textures is superior (although this is /vr/ and not exactly relevant). Also, input lag is not really a thing unless your machine is slow.

>using filters hardware and software

some information you may find interesting about input lag and how the Canoe Emulator of the SNES mini does. It also shows you how Retroarch installed in the SNES mini does.

My big regret is Plok doesn't work with canoe (it has an annoying sound glitch).

>>4588550
I think the most glaringly ugly example of this is the HUD elements in N64 games. Without CRTs they look super fudged

>>4588542
>Input delay and emulation is a dated subject that is of no issue anymore
Do some research before making blatantly false claims. Input delay will always be an issue as long as emulation authors take the lazy "as long as it just works" approach without bothering to optimize their code. And the issue is especially prevalent with so many frontends like Retroarch assimilating emulation cores and adding additional overhead to them.

>>4588542
>There isn't even a fifth of a frame of emulation delay on most emulators.
all of them have at least a full frame
>>4588587
>And the issue is especially prevalent with so many frontends like Retroarch assimilating emulation cores and adding additional overhead to them.
Actually retroarch is the least laggy way to emulate several cores if you use hard gpu sync and frame delay

>>4588154
>Spending $1000+ to make it look like absolute shit, have 35 frames of input lag, not playing the game the way it was intended to be played
>CRTs free on the side of the road everywhere, choosing not to do this

It's hard to believe someone could be this retarded, but here we are.

>>4588593
>Actually retroarch is the least laggy way to emulate several cores if you use hard gpu sync and frame delay
No it's not. The original non-libretro-lobotomized cores have less lag on their own. About the only reason to use something like Retroarch is if there are simply no emulators ported to whatever odd architecture you feel the need to use for your emulation purposes. And even then, you may as well forget emulating anything that requires precision input timing like fighting games.

Retroarch a shit

>>4588615

and the arcade version
but who in their right mind would use Retroarch for arcade anyway?

>>4588608
https://forums.libretro.com/t/an-input-lag-investigation/4407/313
>Whether using audio sync or vsync, higan has significantly higher input lag than RetroArch.
>>4588615
1. that image doesn't specify which core retroarch is using
2. windowed mode is worse for input delay than fullscreen

>>4588442
>>>/qa/

>>4588616
mame has really good input latency. there's no reason you'd use retroarch for it like you said.

Op here, faggots.
I own a CRT. I own a GC GBA Player (2) with an RGB cable. So don't start with that shit. You can enjoy CRTs and still acknowledge that for certain games you should emulate them and not be an autist about it.
Even fighting games can be decently emulated with low latency and even played online without any lag you faggots would notice, see Melee on Dolphin or even Smash 64.

>>4588621
>>Whether using audio sync or vsync, higan has significantly higher input lag than RetroArch
I don't recall anyone in this thread suggesting Higan. Is this some kind of straw man? RA might be have less delay than some other options, but it's by no means in the top tier.

>>4588630
those Dolphin builds are built specifically for melee, separate from the official build of dolphin made by a completely different team, and don't focus on accuracy at all. it's different from general emulation. they are great though

>>4588634
the point is it's retroarch bsnes core vs higan.
>No it's not. The original non-libretro-lobotomized cores have less lag on their own.
that's what I was replying to
here's retroarch snes9x vs real SNES+CRT if you're curious
https://forums.libretro.com/t/an-input-lag-investigation/4407/424

>>4588154
>certain systems are just better off emulated

That's only true for early PC games like C64 and MS-DOS.

how do I play this without it crashing?

>>4588154
>Thought shaders were just memes

>Didnt realize they actually made the game better.

Emulation isnt always the best experience but its usually the best option.

>>4588327
>input delay

An absolute meme

>Emulation isn't a bad route to go if you do your research and use software that's highly optimized

Why not learn to configure a few little tweaks?

>>4588615
That was from before critical lag fixes were found for SNES cores. RetroArch today has next frame response with SNES.

>>4588608
>>4588587

You have no clue what you're talking about. It's been proven that RetroArch can get next frame response so your argument there is already BTFO.

Please stop parroting mindless bullcrap that Haze spouts about RA because he's just butthurt about their MAME cores.

>>4588185
>honestly are we not at the point where gba games are retro
Retro is an era, not an arbitrary passage of time. GBA is not retro and never will be.

>>4588735
>how do I play this without it crashing?
As long as you don't do it while driving I think you'll be fine

>>4588185
>>4588194
Allowing the GBA opens the door to people asking about the PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube since they came out the same year as the GBA. Allowing the PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube opens the door to people asking about the DS and Xbox 360 because they came out when the PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube were still relevant.

It would also open the door to threads like pic related. The line has to be drawn somewhere.

>>4588608
>The original non-libretro-lobotomized cores have less lag on their own.

>>4588210
>bnes v83

Why are you using that shitty core instead of Nestopia or Mesen?

>>4588634
>make claim about non-libretro having less lag
>get proven wrong
>hurr I wasn't talking about higan!

Fuck off with the goalpost shifting.

>>4588154
Brb, just off out to buy a $1000 PC so I can run Higan at a reasonable performance level.

>>4588542
Depends on what emulator it is. Some are better than others.

>not getting on the pvmeme before all the youtube hipsters drove up the price
Your loss man.

>>4588930
horrifyingly accurate

OP your aspect ratio is all retarded and gay. GBA is 3:2. Kys

>>4588930
You can wavedash in tekken 1 noob

>>4588930
We can judge a game as retro by their graphics as well. There's a bunch of new ones that are behind their time

>>4588181
Fuck off, idiot. There are retro games that were released this year. Retro isn't defined by age, it's defined by aesthetic. Also mother 3 is about 50 years old anyway so just shut up.
>>4588542
The best emulators have it down to 1 frame.
>>4588608
That is absolute horse shit my friend.
>>4588621
>higan
Higan is a lost cause. The RA forums members worked out that higan (both standalone and the RA core) has higher lag than any other SNES emulators and offered to fix it. Byuu threw a tantrum and refused. So don't use Higan.
>>4588735
I imagine mednafen will run it fine.
>>4588894
Except with Higan :^)

>>4591269
>lying this hard
Where did byuu touch you?