/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4574381
>final fantasy 7
shitty jarpig

>Metal Gear solid
overrated moviegame

>Castlevania symphony of the night?
ruined castlevania

I, as the sole representative of /vr/ (ignore the poster above), declare that all those games are utter shit.

Begone with ye.

>>4574381
Ludonarrative games with easy gameplay.

>>4574381
>VR
Fuck off.
>image.png
>iPhone posting
Double fuck off.

>>4574412
Triggered homie?

>>4574381
FFVII: Garbage that got progressfags and storyfags into the hobby

MGS: Garbage that got storyfags and cinematicfags into the hobby

SotN: Misguided and very unbalanced though not super garbage like the other two, just OK. Didn't kill the industry, just its own franchise

>>4574381
>final fantasy 7
Best entry in the series
>Metal Gear solid
Best entry in the series
>Castlevania symphony of the night
Best entry in the series

>>4574509
>>>/v/
or maybe
>>>/veddit/

>>4574509
Lol get a load of this jokster.

all good games if you don't have your head up your ass but probably overrated and very over priced.

>>4574515
The easier games games always get the most love in the west.

>>4574517
Aestheticfags, indeed

>>4574381
>FF7
solid JRPG that gets hated by nintenFF6-tards.
>MGS
shit stealth game with good story (who cares, read a fucking book)
>SOTN
fantastic game whose most obvious flaw is baby difficulty

the first 2 are masterpieces, the third one is platformer for babbies

>>4574528
>nintenFF6-tards
Or arcade lovers like me that hate how the industry has become just pandering to these progressfags / aestheticfags with babby games that get constantly called the best shit ever.

>>4574381
Big fat games that are sort of middle ground when it comes to quality. If someone tells me those are their favorite games, I'll probably think they're cooler than the average person, but that their taste isn't terribly refined.

>>4574537
why not hate all JRPGs then? why center all the hate in a single game?

>>4574381
^, v, ^

Games for non gamers

>>4574537
Progress systems faggot strikes again.

>>4574693
Arcade hating fag strikes again

>>4574695
Not even a hater bro, just wanted to say you're a sad pathetic little man.

>>4574696
Diff guy. Maybe retards like you need to stop overrating easy games because that's all you can play.

>>4574693
yeah, at this point his posts should be classified as spam

>>4574682
It's baby even for JRPG standards and it was the second best selling PS1 game, popularizing baby JRPGs outside of Japan, particularly in Europe.
>>4574693
>>4574696
Triggered progressfag strikes again, and that other guy wasn't even me.

>>4574701
So, what do you want me to do, praise games for sacrificing any kind of balance and challenge just to grab the people that are prone to get addicted by permanent virtual rewards, which outnumbers those that play to engage with game mechanics?
Fuck off back to /v/ if you really love muh progress that much.

>shitty nonsense
>just nonsense
>Gothic metroid

>>4574710
>So, what do you want me to do
get a trip so I can filter your tripe

>>4574710
That's precious coming from a Redditor.

>>4574719
>>4574725
I've never once seen you defend your shitty progress systems so it's obvious you're just trolling.

>>4574735
Nothing to defend, really, go back to your gambling scams for children, I mean, arcades.

>>4574758
>progressfags calling other games gambling scams for children
OK, the projection and irony here is way too much for me to handle. This is a more decent bait, at least; you made me laugh.

>>4574537
Are you saying FFVI is any different you retard?

>>4574762
So butthurt you can't stop replying eh? Have a Pity (you)

>>4574764
Yeah, it's weird why he even brings FFVI up, most fans of that like FFVII as well since VII is a pretty similar game, just a tad simpler, slower and more cinematic. I guess it's the typical war some fanbases have over which popular entry is the best and thus they have to hate the one that's not their personal favorite.
Anyway, babby games. Just that VI didn't get to Europe so the negative impact VII had there was even bigger.

>>4574687
Faggage's back with a shit take. Not enough shitty voice acting and QTEs for you?

Ff9 was best

Mgs3 was best

Portrait of ruin was best

>>4574815
you grew up with a ps2 didn't you?

>>4574880
>ff9
>portrait of ruin
>ps2
I get that this is /vr/ and you have to abandon any sign of intelligence if it means you can show off your superiority complex, but you're putting in some extra effort today.

>>4574815
stupid fucking brazillian

>>4574381
they are good. :)

>>4574381
All fantastic, beloved games

>>4574381
They are playstation games

>final fantasy 7

Didn't play, but from what I hear, switching 7 discs must have been a pain.

>Metal Gear solid

I liked Twin Snakes more. But a Solid game overall.

>Castlevania symphony of the night

I got bored and didn't finish it. Don't get the hype. The metroidvania meme it spawned is terrible though.

>>4575279
Yeah, forgot about the Metroidvania crap later down the road. So scratch that, SotN contributed to ruining games substantially as well, then. Just in a lesser way then the other two, just making a lot of newer """retro-style""" games crappy.

>>4574381
-Overrated
-Overrated
-Actually good, but /vr/fags tend to get their panties in a twist whenever it's mentioned

>>4575279
You like Twin Snakes more? Whew.

>>4574771
>most fans of that like FFVII as well

Not that guy but you're having a giggle, right? Most VI fanboys hate VII with a passion and constantly go out of their way to shit on it every chance they get.

>>4574381
Chrono Trigger is better, Thief is better, Castlevania 1-4 plus Rondo of Blood and Bloodlines minus Simon's Quest are better.

>>4577216
I already addressed that point
"I guess it's the typical war some fanbases have over which popular entry is the best and thus they have to hate the one that's not their personal favorite."

>>4574381
All top-class games that /vr/ is tired of hearing about and so will bash them. Ask them for actual reasons these games aren't good and you'll get nothing but buzzwords and stuttered excuses.

>>4577249
>top-class
lol
Anyway, liking demanding and interesting, engaging games is a thing, and these games definitely aren't

>>4577249
Stfu

>>4577250
That's very subjective, anon.

>>4577268
It's not that subjective; let me explain.
What do video games offer as a medium that others don't? Engaging game mechanics. It's an active, interactive hobby.

Therefore games whose appeal is mostly tied to other mediums like literature, movies, music, etc. are essentially lesser games. People may enjoy those cinematic experiences, but good GAMES they aren't.

We fans of old games that are mostly based on challenge with game mechanics are VERY tired of games being praised for being "more than a game", for their plot, hell, anything but how they play. It's made it so games have declined as a medium, and it's a shame. And games like FFVII and MGS marked a big shift into that direction we dislike.

>>4577297
So in what way do FF7, MGS, and SotN lack engaging mechanics? Is it not engaging to hunt down items, figure out which materia combinations work, min/max your party in a way that you choose, participate in mini-games, simulation aspects ex Chocobo raising, etc? Figuring out on your own the methods for beating Emerald and Ruby Weapon? Challenge runs involving self-imposed restraints such as low-level runs, no materia,
no equip, etc. and thus having to make use of unusual setups and tactics (comparable to forcing yourself to 1CC arcade games)?
In what way does MGS lack engaging mechanics? If you want, you don't have to answer codec calls. The stealth action gameplay is fun, and the game offers challenge missions that are purely mechanics-based. Even if you discount all of that, it still offers plenty of interesting things that can only be achieved in video games, like the part where you need to check the back of the case for Meryl's code, or when Psycho Mantis reads your memory card. Fourth wall breaks like that are fun and interesting in video games, but there's no way for a book, movie, etc. to do that without being ham-handed, so how is that not engaging? It's completely unique to the medium, albeit in a way you don't approve of (or maybe you didn't know about these?).
SotN is pure video game with like 3 cutscenes and you don't seem asspained about that one in particular so I'm not gonna bother with it. Is it easy? Sure. Does a game have to be difficult to be fun? No.
Either way, dumb arcadefags like you are not the majority, and people who actually like video games will continue to do so regardless of your whining that you can't 1CC a JRPG.

>>4577317
No game mechanic is engaging if there's no challenge involved.
Imagine the most complex control scheme you can think of for a character. Then set that character in a flat world where you can't lose and just have to walk to a designated point. It would be a very dull gaming experience (some would probably enjoy it for muh aesthetics or whatever).
Games like FFVII, MGS and to a lesser extent feel much closer to that extreme that than intense arcade games.
Sure, the materia stuff is seemingly complex, but the game doesn't present any interesting stuff to do with that. You're having fun playing with numbers but it ultimately doesn't matter, and once you figure this stuff out it becomes very hard to go back.
If you have to resort to self-imposed challenges (which are fun, I'll admit) to make your game interesting then it's a sign it's not very engaging to begin with.
SotN borders on walking simulator after a while.
>dumb arcadefags like you are not the majority
Did you really have to resort to this fallacy?

>>4577328
I did, because the only response you can give is "it's not as hard as 1CCing an arcade game, so it's not worth playing." We have different outlooks on things, and will never see eye to eye on this, so I thought I'd at least insult you before leaving the thread.

>>4577345
They don't need to be arcades to be much better. In the case of FFVII, that game is baby even by JRPG standards. SotN is notoriously badly balanced and easy even for its genre. MGS is a bit less of an offender (mostly because there wasn't many other games like that) but it just popularized cinematic stuff as the norm instead of selling the games through good mechanics. No need to bring up fallacies.

ff7 i don't really care about. metal gear and symphony of then night were fine

>>4577368
>MGS is a bit less of an offender (mostly because there wasn't many other games like that)

There were plenty of stealth games before MGS

>>4577608
It definitely wasn't a popular genre. There were some examples, of course.

>>4574412
calm down buddy, did you take your pills today?

>>4574381
>final fantasy 7
I prefer nes-snes era.
>Metal Gear solid
Never played it.
>Castlevania symphony of the night
Best Castlevania and fantastic game.

>>4574381
>Final Fantasy 7
It's good. The translation is awful, the story is hokey, and the music is outstanding. Somehow these all come together and make it a blast to play.

>Metal Gear Solid
I love it. The story is just the right amount of serious and weird. Somehow it gets away with ludicrous tonal shifts. In the base game, the gameplay unfortunately never gets to shine. HOWEVER, if you get the VR Missions stand alone expansion, you get hours of gameplay that take advantage of the intricate and awesome gameplay.

>SotN
The progression in this game feels so god damn good. Every little thing you do feels like making progress.
>Killing enemies gives experience
>Level ups are frequent and feel meaningful
>You're constantly revealing more of the map
>New items constantly allow you to cover more ground
>With enough skill the hardest enemies can be beaten at super low levels and reward you with a shit ton of experience and level ups
>Backtracking is never a chore because every time you HAVE to backtrack you've always gained enough new abilites and level ups that you just crush everything in your path. Very satisfying.

Symphony of the Night is tighter than an airlock.

>>4578881
This is what I always mean when mentioning the storyfag / aestheticsfag / progressfag crowd, and guys like these are why these games are popular, since they outnumber us fans of game mechanics and with what they've bought in the last 20 years they have determined fate and sad current state of the industry.

>>4578919
the fate and the current sad*

>>4578919
please cry more you obnoxious whiny faggot, cry in every thread you can

>>4578881
>intricate and awesome gameplay
what intricate gameplay? game feels 20 years older than Thief in the mechanics department.

>>4578939
Why are you even here if your mindset is so modern gaymer-like

the amount of teen fags that never experienced these games at the time if their release giving their two-bob is pathetic.

all classic games.

>>4579064
you're awesome just for that reaction pic, you plonker

>>4579064
If anything it's the younger ones that are into these games, if you liked older stuff you are much less prone to like these easy games.

>>4579076
you wern't blown away by mgs at release? there was literally nothing like it! better times. waiting for tips in magazines and so on, discussing the shit we tried the previous night at school. cool as fuck. it was like we were all on a treasure hunt. i cant bear listening to these younger twats dog these classics.

>>4579084
I wasn't looking for a cinematic experience in my games, why is this so hard to understand? I was busy playing stuff like Street Fighter Alpha 2 back then.

>>4579084
Not that anon, but I was surprised how "cinematic" MGS was. Not on the cutscenes (I didn't understand English back then, so I just skipped every cutscene), but on that final tunnel section in the jeep. That's cinematic.

>>4579093
the gaming industry didn't revolve on what you was fucking playing, faggot.

gaming was going 3d, gamers were going on 3d adventures and it was amazing how well these pioneers got right straight away.

OOOOHHHH BUT YOU WAS MORE INTO STREET FIGHTERRRRRRRR LOL Wanker.

>>4579101
>you was
And yeah, trust me, I know what direction the industry took after that point. Doesn't mean I appreciated that direction, and I dislike MGS for heavily contributing to that direction I disliked.

>>4574412
>Getting triggered by niggas on their phone

>>4574381
The only good games in their respective series, listed from best to worst by OP.
Well done !

>>4574494
>progressfags
Whats a progressfag?

>>4581191
People that play games due to being addicted to permanent extrinsic rewards instead of the inherent fun of the game mechanics.
"Man, HearthStone sure makes me angry and isn't fun, but I have to play today so I can get my daily gold and unlock more cards."
Not many people played games where you could grind in the west, particularly in Europe, before FFVII. As a result, the new generation of players that had FFVII as a big impact on their childhood now thinks that the point of playing video games is to get rewards in them, if you don't get anything they're pointless. "I mean, what's the point of doing this if the game doesn't reward me for it?". You can see how this has effected the industry later down the road.