/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4557812
half of those aren't retro

Did you just come here to show us that /v/ has shit tastes? We already know this.

Phantasy Star 4
Lunar 2
Romancing SaGa 2
Lufia 2
Earthbound
Dragon Quest V
Wild ARMS
Breath of Fire 3
Koudelka
Moon: Remix RPG Adventure

>>4557852

Just out of curiosity, how old are you? I think /vr/ is getting younger by the day.

>>4557824
Which of the games on OP would you say are bad?

>>4557863
28

>>4557896
Every single one. Holy shit, so much Atlus garbage in one list.

CT and FF6 really are overrated, but I'm not going to get into that. This list has too many glaring issues for anyone to get sidetracked by its curious inclusion of a couple of more conventionally liked titles.

>>4557909
I see.
What are your top 5 favorite JRPGs?

>>4557852
Is Phantasy Star 4 really that good? I haven't played that series yet and I've been putting off that game for some time.

>>4557909
Strange Journey is a masterpiece

Retro games only?
10) Xenogears
9) Dragon Quest 5
8) Phantasy Star 4
7) Final Fantasy 5
6) Skies of Arcadia
5) Shining Force 2
4) Tales of Phantasia
3) Persona 2: Eternal Punishment
2) The Legend of Dragoon
1) Chrono Trigger

Suikoden 2, Lufia 2, Wild Arms 2, and Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete are honourable mentions to be sure

Mother 1 is the best in the series, come at me faggots.

This was pretty difficult to compile because approximately half of my library is WRPGs. I decided not to include Japanese remakes of WRPGs like Ultima or Wizardry, as that may be a gray area. I also decided not to include strategy games, as those are... strategy games. Despite having RPG mechanics they still belong to another genre.

So in no particular order:
>Zelda II
Embodies all the best qualities of 2D platformers at the time, mixed with RPG elements and a great atmosphere. Consistently challenging and equally rewarding.
>Vagrant Story
Fuck the crafting system, but otherwise a masterpiece. The plot has some really cool machinations, and nothing else Square has churned out or ever will produce in the future could hold a candle to Vagrant Story's awesome scenario writing.
>Final Fantasy I
>Final Fantasy II
This is what FF should have been all along, albeit with more dev time dedicated to playtesting and further balancing. The plot and character development may seem spartan compared to sequels, but this lends more to the classical unities than merely being an excuse plot. FF5 onward is just convoluted fan-fiction and waifu garbage.
>King's Field IV
>King's Field II
>King's Field III
Not too many people are aware of how open-world these games are. Events try to move you along a certain route, but you can mostly ignore plot points and push straight to the final area within an hour of starting up. And it's nice being able to explore an interlinked world with no visible load times.
>Romancing SaGa
Although the original game had some lose ends, the PS2 remake was a bit of a letdown in its own regard. There's too much retrofitted stuff that makes the remake overly complex and really does nothing to improve upon the core gameplay. I'll take the SFC version any day.
>SaGa 2 (not RS2, the Game Boy one)
>Dungeon Magic
Okay, somewhat of an obscure mention. It's Famicom's take on Elder Scrolls, complete with spellcrafting and realtime actions. I'm trying to be mostly retro.

>>4557812
In no particular order

Phantasy Star 4
Chrono Trigger
Lufia 2
Final Fantasy 9
Final Fantasy 7
Final Fantasy 6
Final Fantasy 5
Final Fantasy 4
Phantasy Star 1
Live A Live

Final Fantasy VII
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Final Fantasy V
Phantasy Star II
Sweet Home
Lunar 2
Paper Mario
Dragon Warrior IV
Phantasy Star IV
Persona 2

>>4557812
Big fan of the genre, kinda difficult list to do, i will not stay retro-only.

1) A tie between Strange Journey and Devil Survivor 1 (both DS versions not interested on the remasters).

2) Final Fantasy Tactics

3) Persona 3 FES/Portable

4) Dragon Quest 5

5) Dragon Quest 8

6) Tactics Ogre Let us Cling Together both versions

7) Nocturne

8) Digital Devil Saga 2

9) Digital Devil Saga 1

10) All Xeno games (Gears saga)

It's a bit bizarre list is that there so many i love.

But still there is a hall of shame of masterpieces by many sources that i never completed and or played:

Breath of Fire any game.

Valkirie Profile i ragequit when i discovered i lost the best ending.

Ogre Battles.

Lufia 2.

And specially PS1 Suikodens.

>>4558017
And Vagrant Story, i dropped after not understanding why my weapons were dealing 0 damage

1 SMRPG
2 Lufia 2
3 FF4
4 Chrono Trigger
5 Secret of Mana
6 Paper Mario
7 Earthbound
8 Terranigma
9 Illusion of Gaia
10 Soul Blazer

Not all are true JRPG but anything with leveling is what I chose

Poketo Monsuta Aka
Poketo Monsuta Midori
Poketo Monsuta Ao
Poketo Monsuta Pikachu
Poketo Monsuta Kin
Poketo Monsuta Gin
Poketo Monsuta Kurisutaru
Maza
Maza 2 (That's Earthbound to you baka gaijan tachi)
Doragon Kuesuto III

>>4557909
Chrono Trigger is a great game. While I wouldn't put it in my top three I do say it is up there. While it is overrated by its fanboys by a ton it is still a worthy JRPG in its own right.
>>4558017
I've only played Breath of Fire II. It really wasn't that great. It is serviceable but you miss out on nothing by not playing it. Apparently Breath of Fire I is even worse. Also Suikoden 1 isn't that special as well, it is fairly basic in various aspects. Though if it is your thing to sink yourself into something familiar and go globe trotting while recruiting everyone then I can see why someone could enjoy it.

>>4558031
>baka gaijan tachi

Throw in some Persona and this post would perfectly epitomize /vr/

>>4558031
>poketo monsuta
it's poketto monsutaa
>maza
well the Japanese title is actually just the english word Mother, but anyway it's MAZAA you baka GAIJIN not GAIJAN

shamefur dispray anon-kun

>>4558039
Well after doing one run max S Link on FES, Portable and a Perfect Ending on Devil Survivor 2 i know how to play using guides.

>>4558054
Wow, looks like someone is going to stream their honor getting restored.

1. FF4
2. FF5
3. FF6
4. Dragon Quest 7
5. Legend of Mana
6. Tales of Phantasia (playstation version)
7. Tales of Eternia (Tales of Destiny II)
8. Phantasy Star IV
9. FF9
10. Lufia: The Legend Returns

Tales of Destiny as an honourable mention. Would've made the list somewhere if it wasn't for the encounter rate being way too fucking high. On the bright side, since it's so high, there's absolutely no need for any grinding.

>>4557812
Suikoden II
FF VI
Lunar: SSSC
Chrono Trigger
Robotrek
Breath of Fire
Xenogears
Wild Arms
Suikoden
Ogre Battle

In no particular order.

>>4557996
I wanted to like the King's Field games but the combat is just way too bad. IV in particular was completely unbearable to me.

1. Chrono series
2. BoF series
3. Skies of Arcadia

Not a big fan of the rest.

>>4558039
Not only a great game but also an awesome way to introduce the genre (where most of the master pieces are in the past) to a friend as the game doesn't overstay it's welcome.

>>4557996
If you liked the KF games you should give Shadow Tower + ST Abyss a try, they are like KF except better.

>>4558165
Dang i wanted to try this game, then it didn't accepted my inputs from my PS1 controller.

Yup for some reason the Dualshock 2 who came with the console got outlived by a 16 old Dualshock 1.

>>4558165
>they are like KF except better
Yeah, no. I have both. Personally, I didn't really care for them. So many elements are just there for the sake of making progression more tedious than it should be. The lore is also paper thin, which is odd coming from a developer like From. KF has tons of supplemental lore.

>>4557909
What's your problem with the Atlus games in the OP?

Final Fantasy 7, 8, 10, 13, Kingdom Hearts, Kingdom Hearts 1, 2, Persona 4, the Dark Souls games, Paper Mario games, the Zelda games and Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood are the only good games in the genre.

>>4559000
I forgot about Pokemon.

>>4558986
He just sucks dick

>>4559000
What the hell is that even supposed to be

Anyway best is SWEET HOME really like it

>>4559057
Like I said those are the only good role-playing games.

>>4557812
>Xenoblade
I'll never understand this meme. The rest of those are pretty fucking good, though.

>>4559067
disregard that, I suck cocks

>>4559071
This

>>4558017
The Devil Survivor 3ds port is genuinely so much better though, I really suggest looking into it.

Pretty good overall though. Strange Journey is my #1 choice as well, probably my favorite game ever made actually.

>>4559071
Babby's first JRPG for the Wii generation. Aside from le epic open world zomg it absolutely nothing new or revolutionary.

>>4557812
A good vr top would include DQ, FF, MT, CT, RS, Pokemon, and maybe Lufia, Lunar, Breat of Fire and XenoBlade.

>>4559527
>Xenoblade

You have to go back.

>>4559446

>The Devil Survivor 3ds port

The addition of Multi-Strike a gargantuanly imba skill is almost solely why i hate the port.

After a awesome boss like Lucifer on DeSu 1 you can wipe Alice on one turn on DeSu 2.

Atlus thought they made a perfect game on DeSu 2 but they didn't the first one was far better and shoehorned stuff from 2 no one asked. The same dev that remade the fusion spells on P3 to balance it.

Another nitpick is that voice acting do not fit this style of game where the characters and animu pics barely move for the voices to fit it seems someone is reading the dialogue for you and i don't like that idea.

Not to mention i usually will read and imagine the emotion on one way but the VA will probably think different leading to many "uh" "ah" "gh" because i finished reading the setence and advanced the text.

This kinda controversial as P3Portable is on my list but i played FES enough to know how the scene was played on 3D and how the characters expressed themselves.

Don't know about but it is true that they lower the soundtrack during voice clips?

Btw making this list was complicated there are no filler entries as not even Chrono Trigger got in.

This is the list of games i love and at least once on a year i stop to replay as a tradition.

>>4559530
Why so much hate for XB? I want to play it on near future.

>>4558054

Those are shitty, inaccurate, and confusing ways to render those words. There are no double consonants in Japanese, only hard ones indicated by a non phonetic mark, ッ. ポ ケ ッ ト PO KE TO.

And MO N SU TA モ ン ス ター contains only one 'a' sound, in the syllable 'ta' タ that is extended into a longer vowel with the mark ー to compensate for the awkwardness of including an 'r' sound which would produce the unwieldy MO N SU TA RU.

I purposely use a leaner, more accurate and more functional method of transliteration. You probably romanize 王 as 'Ou' you fucking sheep. So step off new jack faggot and think for yourself next time instead of swallowing and regurgitating shitty transliteration methods. *Slaps you over the head with a harisen-desu*

>>4557812

Sort of disappointed that Arc the Lad never made anyone's list. I understand Koudelka only showing up like once or twice, or Musashi not being anyone's cup of tea, but Arc the Lad? C'mon.

>>4560536
Shining Force gives me a smile.

But why not 2?

>>4559770
And i'm usually all in for enhanced ports (Disgaeas are gold example).

But for DeSu 1 they stepped on the ball.

On other hand a friend of mine said that 2 3DS is awesome, i can hardly wait to emulation finds it's way on my roaster.

>>4560618
Grew up playing 1, didn't play 2 until I was 20ish. 2 might be the better game but 1 has the nostalgia factor that makes me enjoy it more. A lot of my picks are less about them being objective greats and more about games that I personally enjoyed most.

>>4557812
Nobody mentioned Tengai Makyou Zero, even tho it's very easy jrpg it was very fun to play

>>4559770
>>4560623
You do realize you can just turn the voices off? The characters are fucking garbage anyway, no ones plays DeSu for the story. DeSu1's are more tolerable then DeSu2's but they're still not good.

DeSu 3ds has a compendium so that automatically makes it better in my book. Though I guess our autism is similar, while I plan to buy Deep Strange Journey I will always stick with the original overall and probably only play DSJ once or twice.

>>4558082
Best taste in this thread

>>4561184
final fagassy and good taste don't mix

>>4557812
I'll try to sort them both retro and not retro:

Lufia 2
Earthbound
Zelda 2 (does that count?)
Mario Golf GBC (same question as above)
Final Fantasy IV and VII, it's hard to pick one of the two
Terranigma
Pokemon Yellow
Dragon Slayer (Gameboy version)
Tales of Phantasia/Star Ocean
Fire Emblem IV: Seisen no Keifu

Not retro:
Xenoblade, seriously the content in that game is amazing
Fire Emblem 7 on GBA
Dark Cloud
Severance: Blade of Darkness, not as obscure as it used to be but it still deserves more popularity
Last Story
Paper Mario Thousand Year Door
Advance Wars
Disgaea
Radiant Historia
Lufia Curse of the Sinistrals - yes I liked that

>>4560803
The way the game works makes Compendium pretty much useless.

I used on DeSu 2 mostly as a high score board for my uber demons as i didn't had any necessity to actually use as smart auctioning is a better way to handle things.

>>4561192
Much better than Dragon Quest 7.

>>4559446

why does everybody suck sj's dick off

>>4561208
>that last sentence

Final Fantasy VI
Chronoe Trigger
Romancing Saga 3
Seiken Densentsu 3
Super Mario RPG
Secret of Evermore
Pokemon GSC
Vagrant Story


played a shitload more but didnt care/finish most of those

>>4560536
Is Illusion of Gaia any good? Had it saved in the back of my head as mediocre game, seriously asking.
And is it better than Secret of Mana? I'm not too fond of it, it's okay but I wouldn't count it as one of the best rpgs of all time.

>>4561683
Quintet games age good all arround

>>4561450
It's a great game with some awesome mechanics and a nice twist to the usual "MC is a god of war" that many JRPGs do.

Unless you have really good plan or exploit your MC will be shit even on the post game.

>>4561450
Not everyone, just the ones that want to seem hip.

>>4561861
Only the ActRaisers.

Their SNES action-RPGs are too repetitive and boring.

>>4562163
Based

>>4562163
Terranigma is good.

>>4562163
Hahaha disregard that, I suck cocks

>>4562205


>>4561747

>>4561883
>awesome mechanics
>demon co-op

>>4562226
Not him but yeah, I liked the game but didn't like the demon co-op stuff. Probably the biggest reason I haven't replayed it. It's a chore compared to the freedom you have in the SFC games.

>>4562226
Useless anyway, do not harm the game.

>>4562219
Like SNES have any DMC3SE type of action game with zillions of attacks and combinations.

How can you complain about this game when one of the most beloved games of SNES is AltP where the attack variety is even lower if you discount glitches?

>>4562479
Lonk to the past is trash as well.

>>4562226
I like demon co-op as ot made alignment actually play into gameplay. Though it isn't as well thought out as it could be, I'll say that.

>>4560339
Not him but "Maza" is still technically wrong because it would be spelt "Mazā" since the last vowel is long.

>>4557812
Jrpg is not a genre.

>>4562501
It's mostly a early game mechanic to help out with your low damage output with simultaneous attacks.

Far better options not tied to allignment will appear.

It's not totally bad mechanic it just function like the Granades on FF7.

>>4562495
Jesus Christ what high standards are that what i'm missing that is so god tier on SNES lib?

Don't tell me you are going to answer Rudra or Seiken Densetsu?

In no order:
Vagrant Story
FFT
DQV
FFVI
Persona 2
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Suikoden 2
Xenogears
Chrono Nigger
Pokemon Crystal
I haven't gotten around to BoF, Phantasy Star or Tales series yet. Bost of my favourite JRPGs aren't retro.

>>4557909
Fuck off contrarian faggot. I don't give shut what you say about Arousing and or CT but if you imply Mother is shit you deserve to fucking burn and die.

>>4562734
Fuck stupid autocorrecter.

>>4562479
The fourth post of that thread explains why it isn't a good action game, level design and stat mechanics aren't well done.

>>4558002
>Panzer Dragoon Saga
it's a bad game

>>4562965
For SNES standards a game that recognize timing when inputing comands for different attacks and has more than 4 directions is more than enough.

>>4562965
>>4563064
what game on the snes doesn't recognize 4 inputs? WTF does this even mean??

>>4561781
It's not about only having four moves. There is no variety whatsoever in fighting enemies, exploring the map, switching equipment, linearity of progression. For an Action Adventure it is too clunky and drags out and the fights themselves are tediously long while using the same attack because it's just the most efficient one. Onmap abilities, like the climbing claws, are just mandatory stepping stones to hinder you getting further on that section of the map and rarely bring occasions where you will ever use it again afterwards and get benefits for exploring.
For a rpg it has the minimal requirement to even count as one, supperficially creating numbers which mean nothing (attack/defense/hp) and could just as well be left out of the game. They are only used as barriers for progression, forcing you to be certain level on bosses, switching from doing only 1 damage on level 30 and suddenly 250 dmg on level 31 (eg. witch boss).
The only redeeming factor is the story which at times can be boreseome, having the only real variety in the end when jumping around towns and trying to grow them.


In comparison I'd say even Link did it better since there are multiple tools to differ the action adventure aspect onmap aswell as in fights, giving it more complexity with its combinations. There are alot more benefits of exploring and the map itself is better infused into the playstyle of being action-adventure, not too big and so much hollow world where nothing happens. There is no real implication of being an rpg, att/def/hp is replaced with having 2 sets of weapon/armor and hp as the main exploration bonus to make the game easier (which compensated for unexperience and gives a feeling of progression)

I'm not saying that Alttp is godly by any means, but in comparison it pulls it better off
There have been lots games that have done this type of gameplay better, even on the NES.

>>4561450
Because it's Doomguy goes to Antarctica the RPG.

>>4557812

Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy Legend
Final Fantasy V
Final Fantasy VII
Chrono Cross
Final Fantasy Legend II
Dragon Quest GBC
Pokemon Red/Blue
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy IX

>>4564004

Runners up:
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Super Mario RPG
Xenogears
Legend of Dragoon

>>4562495
Only good post Knuckles has made in the history of the board

>>4564031
Nah, he's made a few lately, though not in RPG threads so maybe that's why you haven't seen them.

>>4564045
Last I saw he was spamming shit like husbando threads of Knuckles, Ugandan Knuckles memes, and posts about how Moscow is in Asia.

>>4564049
Yeah, just a few. Also, the fact that he isn't using a trip makes this hard to judge.

>>4563102
If you stumble on a rare case of a boss you are dealing chip damage you can always keep on and win as the movement and hit recognition of the game is good enough for a skilled person to win.

>>4557812
FF7
Xenogears
Tactics Ogre tho I don't know if PSP version is good enough 4 u fags
maybe Grandia just barely, its a little too lighthearted for my tastes tho.

Eh, that's about it for above good retro-list There aren't that many retro JRPGs that I've played that compare to the enjoyment I've gotten from these, but there's a couple of popular ones I haven't played like Suikoden and Wild Arms. There's a ton of above average ones that I've enjoyed, but I really don't feel like they deserve to be listed.

One of the biggest issues I have with JRPGs is mute protagonist. I fucking hate it, I find it really difficult to get interested in the story when your dude is just giving everyone a thousand-yard stare and occasionally does a sprite animation. There are definitely some games where its done okay-ish, like maybe BoF3, but its still not my kind of thing.

Non-retro list would be much longer for me.

>>4564049
>posts about how Moscow is in Asia.
No matter how much you complain, Ruskies will always be part mongol and thus not true whites like western Europe.

>>4564301
Too bad for you it doesn't matter because Moscow is still in Europe so Tetris is a Western game and not Asian.

>>4564305
Do you also consider Turks European? lmao

>>4564325
What does ethnicity have to do with this? Moscow is a part of Europe. Do you consider Detroit a part of Africa?

>>4564329
The cities don't make the games, the people do, you dolt.

>>4564334
The country of origin is what determines the game's classification you fuckwit. So if a black person in the US makes a game that magically makes it an African game?

>>4564334
Final Fantasy was programmed by some Muslim on a work visa in Japan so I guess it's a Middle Eastern game and not Japanese lol

>>4564243
Or worse he reveals in the end to be a golden nigger who wants to be a King.

The best option bounced on his face, good do 3DS exists.

>>4564243
>Non-retro list would be much longer for me.
Seeing how every game you mentioned is a 5th gen game (except for maybe Tactics Ogre) this doesn't surprise me at all

>>4564412
Oh yeah dude, its full of Hyperdimension Neptunia games, far more superior than your 4th gen weeb t r a s h

>>4564573
Old Wizardry such weeb indeed.

>>4564341
>The country of origin
Then why are you keep repeating that Tetris is a 'Moscow game'? It's a Russian game and Russia is largely an Asian country.

>>4564341
>The country of origin
Then why do you keep repeating that Tetris is a 'Moscow game'? It's a Russian game and Russia is largely an Asian country.

>>4564907
Russia is both a European and Asian country. Everything west of the Ural Mountains is part of Europe. Guess where Moscow lies.

"Moscow is a major political, economic, cultural, and scientific centre of Russia and Eastern Europe, as well as the largest city entirely on the European continent."

>>4564926
>Guess where Moscow lies.
Why should I? Nobody classifies games like that, like you mentioned by yourself.

>>4564931
You're fucking shitting me right?
Am I being baited?

>>4564937
>The country of origin is what determines the game's classification
>keeps repeating that Tetris is from Moscow

>>4564940
Russia is part of two continents. The part of Russia where Tetris was made? It's in the European part.
Stop being retarded.

>>4564942
> The part of Russia where Tetris was made?
Again why should anyone care? Tetris was made in Russia, 2/3rd of which terrories lies in Asia, hence it's an Asian game.

>>4564950
You're so fucking retarded man. Alright, if you had to write an academic paper about Moscow would you refer to it as Asian? No, you wouldn't, because you know damn well that you would immediately get a failing grade for shitty research and are trying way too hard to save face right now.
Moscow is a city in Europe. Tetris was made in Moscow. Tetris was made in Europe.
Get it through your thick fucking skull faggot.

>>4564950
Knuckles fill that name field back in, nobody else is retarded enough to argue this and we all know it's you.

>>4564954
>Tetris was made in Moscow
It's still an Asian game, since Russia is mostly an Asian country.
If a black person in the US makes a game that magically makes it an African game?

>>4564959
Are you misquoted? I'm not the one who thinks that Russia is Western country.

>>4564960
There are multiple transcontinental countries. You can't be this much of an idiot.
Moscow is in the European part of Russia. As in not the Asian part. Why are you so fucking ignorant? You'd never argue about this with a college professor but you can't stand being in the wrong so you have to try to save face on an anonymous imageboard. Fucking sad.

>>4564972
>Using an auto-generated Google Maps screenshot centered on where most of the LANDMASS is located
Lol. I guess shit like the majority of Russians living on the European part of Russia isn't important because landmass is the only thing to consider about countries. 90% of Canada's landmass is uninhabited but that's more relevant than places like Ontario and Quebec, right?

You're either another idiot or more likely Knuckles samefagging as always. This is why nobody likes you and you're another reviled namefag on /vr/

Now show me all the results you can find that list Moscow or any part of Russia west of the Ural Mountains as part of Asia. I'll wait. Fuck, I bet you'll become desperate enough to say the former satellite nations of the USSR are/were Asian too at this rate.

There's nothing more pathetic than seeing the most clueless people on earth act the most arrogant.

>>4564996
>Moscow is in the European part of Russia
Great, nobody ever uses the cities to state video games places of origin, keep repeating that like a fucking idiot, though.

>You'd never argue about this with a college professor
Why would I? I've finished my eductaion years ago, also I never discussed video games with professors.

>I guess shit like the majority of Russians living on the European part of Russia isn't important
When I call Tetris an Asian game, because it's made in Asian country? Yeah, it's really not important.

>90% of Canada's landmass is uninhabited
If those 90% were in South America then Canada would be a South American country, right.

>You're either another idiot or more likely Knuckles samefagging as always. This is why nobody likes you and you're another reviled namefag on /vr/
And you're most likely an Asian slav, who doesn't want to be considered an Asian, probably because of self loathing and nationalism.

>former satellite nations of the USSR are/were Asian too at this rate.
Never heard of Central Asia? Does Kazakhstan also make Western games?

>wow a namefag said something retarded, how shocking
>better respond to his retarded post immediately instead of just reporting it

should I play skies of arcadia, or Terranigma

>>4565116
Do you prefer real time action or turn based battles

>>4565118

I dont know, I havent been able to sit through an entire FF game yet

>>4565048
>Great, nobody ever uses the cities to state video games places of origin, keep repeating that like a fucking idiot, though.
I like how you pretend there's even much of a precedent for countries like Russia and Turkey. I'll save myself more time and ask for sources that call Tetris an Asian game. I'll wait

>Why would I? I've finished my eductaion years ago, also I never discussed video games with professors.
You know that I meant Moscow being European. Keep purposefully ignoring the point because you can't respond to the actually important part. You know somebody's aware their argument is fucked when they have to pretend not to understand what you're talking about and hope they can just shift the goalposts away.

>When I call Tetris an Asian game, because it's made in Asian country? Yeah, it's really not important.
Too bad it's a western game because it was made in Europe, though.

>If those 90% were in South America then Canada would be a South American country, right.
No, it would be a North American AND South American country. If Ubisoft made a game in the North American part, it would be a North American game. You can't be this fucking autistic.

>And you're most likely an Asian slav, who doesn't want to be considered an Asian, probably because of self loathing and nationalism.
I'm Italian actually but believe what you want lol.

>Never heard of Central Asia? Does Kazakhstan also make Western games?
Name me one Kazakhstan game. Also what the fuck? Places like Moscow and Poland are blatantly part of Europe, you know damn well what I'm referring to.

Also still waiting for the sources I asked for you're conveniently ignoring, Knuckles.

"Now show me all the results you can find that list Moscow or any part of Russia west of the Ural Mountains as part of Asia. I'll wait."

>>4565059
I wish it was that easy, the janitors don't give a fuck

>>4565119
Also if you're playing Terranigma make sure you apply the NTSC patch to make it run at the correct, 18% faster speed.

http://warosu.org/vr/thread/S4557812#p4564301
Ha, Knuckles deleted all of his replies that used his name because he knows he's arguing for something he knows is wrong but he doesn't want his reputation to go even further down the shitter by being associated with it but at the same time he's such an immature child he can't stand the concept of losing an argument. He's trying to have his cake and eat it too.
What a total assblasted faggot. Ban all namefags. Ban all tripfags. Make /vr/ great again!

>>4557813
>chart says /v/
>retard complains that there are non-retro entries
Not surprised in the least.

>>4557931
Not op, but yes, it's very good.

>>4565125
>I wish it was that easy, the janitors don't give a fuck
is that why they deleted his posts? stop trying to look for an argument and stop replying to posts that have nothing to do with the thread topic

>>4565125
>I'll save myself more time and ask for sources that call Tetris an Asian game.
Since it's the common sense you're the one who should provide sources that Tetris can't be called an Asian game. Good luck with that.
>You know that I meant Moscow being European
It's almost you're being close to realising that I'm not arguing with that, lol.
>it's a western game because it was made in Europe
Yeah, just like Japanese game is Western when it's made in office located in Europe.
>No, it would be a North American AND South American country. If Ubisoft made a game in the North American part, it would be a North American game. You can't be this fucking autistic.
This one is your key problem, apparently you can't into simple logic and common sense, since Canada would be considered a South American nation by anyone who isn't an autistic retard, that game and other media released in any part of the country also could be named as South American.
>Name me one Kazakhstan game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3fki2C-kOs
Here, by your microcephalic logic it would be a Western game if it was made in the European part of Kazakhstan.
>Knuckles
fuck off
>"Now show me all the results you can find that list Moscow or any part of Russia west of the Ural Mountains as part of Asia. I'll wait."
pic related, for example. Also,
>all the results you can find
fuck off

I think the real question is why anyone rank vanilla games when so many of these games have had the benefits of balance mods etc made over the years? I couldn't play a vanilla pokemon but mods sure as hell made those games in my favorite rpgs.

>>4557812
I thank the bump it caused even though i'm not the OP, what fuck happened on those walls of text? I'm too lazy to read through all.

>>4557863
You'd be surprised how fast time passes. I was in elementary school when 4chan first started, and now I'm 22

1-10. Xenogears

>>4566348
delightful

>>4557812
Mario and Luigi superstar saga
lisa
vagrant story
earthbound
dragon quest III

So in all honesty is Panzer Dragoon Saga as good as its reputation? I see this game jerked off to high heaven and above but I don't know if it just has to do with its rarity or if this really is jrpg perfection.

>>4566415
Why did you spoil Dragon Quest III? It's the best game in the series.

>>4566348
>that 2hu figure
Son, I am disappoint.

>>4566348
Syu’s Crying Star

Nice.

Retro and no particular order:

1 Mother3
2 Earthbound
3 Chrono Cross
4 Valkyrie Profile
5 Paper mario
6 Chrono Trigger
7 Breath of fire IV
8 Tales of phantasia
9 Super Shell Monster Story
10 Legend of The Dragoon

>>4562973
no u

>>4566415
>lisa
>jrpg
I considered to apply a small brain meme here, but it actually looked too flattering.

>>4557812
JRPG is not a genre.

>>4566736
Space Funeral is the magnum opus of indie hipster rpg's.

>>4566425
This is a JRPG thread, did you expect that guy to play shooters?

>>4557975
>any FF game above Xenogears
>any DQ game above Xenogears
>shitsona above Xenogears
>Chrono Trigger above Xenogears
>any JRPG above Xenogears
Oh you fucking retard.

>>4567064
>shitty platforming, can also be interrupted by a random battle
>poorly told and poorly paced convoluted story
>meaningless combo system where you just spam your strongest combo
>unfinished disc 2
>low enemy variety
>high encounter rate

you're lucky anyone put this trash on any list other than "top 10 shittiest games ever made"

>>4567089
You have to go back

>>4567112
cry more, fag

>>4566348
Nice guitar anon.

>>4566421
>Doge pic
>creepy old couple
>bikini ladies
>stars and stripes
>pumpkin candle

wtf is this mess of a corner

>>4566421
It's not that is perfection its just fresh, never duplicated and caps off a rail shooter series with a unique story. If it had a lot more time in development it could have been totally incredible but as it is it feels big and empty which some people are very critical of but others can believe as part of the setting. It's also fairly short without much post-game content and my own biggest criticism of it, it's too easy once you get the hang of it and your skills set correctly. Needed more balancing.

My list in no order

Chrono trigger

Valkyrie Profile

Final Fantasy 6

Final Fantasy Tactics

Terranigma

Ilusion of Gaia

Zelda a Link to the past

Breath of fire 4

Xenogears

Earthbound

>>4567614
looks like this person has actual loved ones

In no particular order:

Valkyrie Profile
Super Mario RPG
Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy V
Lufia 2
Grandia II
Romancing SaGa 3
Breath of Fire II
Breath of Fire IV
Bahamut Lagoon

Honorary mention to Sailor Moon Another Story.

>>4561450
The atmosphere, OST and premise sucked me in. I played it for hours at night after work in a dark room and it was one of my fondest playthrough experiences. I personally think the writing is abysmal though, the game isn't subtle at all. Digital Devil Saga is miles ahead of it and is also my #1 JRPG ever. Phenomenal fucking game.

>>4571574
DDS is god tier.

>>4567614
The old man in the photo with the old lady most likely a veteran, and that flag was given to the family during his funeral. The dog is just a picture of a family dog because not everything is a cancerous reddit meme. The quote is probably something that would sound pretentious to you, but probably hits home with the people of the family. Pumpkin candles because bitches' periods go crazy in the fall time and makes them have intense cravings for pumpkin.

>>4572632
>actual plausible explanation
Am I in the twilight zone?

>>4572768
Well the old man and the lady is definitely true. The Department of Veteran Affairs does provide flags for deceased veteran's funeral for free, and families will frame the flag folded up.

>>4557931
It's pretty good. Some shit like... a character left my party because I accidentally clicked on some dialogue box or some shit... happened so I sold it in anger.

Dragon Warrior Monster

>>4557813
nor good

Not personal preference, ARPGs not included:

Dragon Quest IV
Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy IX
Chrono Trigger
Suikoden II
Phantasy Star IV
Pokemon Crystal
Earthbound
Tales of Phantasia
Super Mario RPG

Yes, they're all overrated, but they are objectively the best. If it were my own list, only Suikoden would've survived.

>>4573832
Then only mention Suikoden II. I don't get this line of thinking: "If something is popular then it's objectively better", it that was the case we would all be on /v/ praising FIFA 18 as our new lord and savior.

>>4557812
Personally?

1. Tactics Ogre - Let Us Cling Together
2. Ogre Battle 64
3. Ogre Battle
4. Super Mario RPG
5. Crystalis
6. Densetsu no Ogre Battle
7. Tactics Ogre - The Knight of Lodis
8. Fire Emblem 4
9. Chrono Trigger
10. Sweet Home

>>4557812
Final Fantasy VI
Suikoden II
Shin Megami Tensei II
Tales of Phantasia
Valkyrie Profile
Breath of Fire 2
XenoGears
Shining the Holy Ark
Star Ocean
Panzer Dragoon Saga

>>4560371
more like popful fail lmfao

>>4574450
It's not that it's popular, I've played all but one of them to completion and consider them all objectively good. But I'm not really impressed by high production values or accessibility in games.

I'm currently having a much greater time with Stranger of Sword City than I did with any of those games, but I fully admit my tastes are stupidly specific.

>>4578529
What's this objectively good garbage you're talking about? If they are boring to you then I don't understand.