/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4551801
>the best roleplaying games

Oh wait

>the best fight-
wait a minute

Oh boy this thread again

>>4551805
>no snore-inducing autistic turn-based JRPGs with cringe anime characters
And nothing of value was lost.

>>4551839
Not all JRPGs are like that, although I admit some are. Also, not all RPGs are JRPGs. As far as I know, N64 has like 3: Aidyn Chronicles, Paper Mario and Quest 64. The first is ok, second is awesome and third is fucking trash. That's just unacceptable.

Also as previous poster said, there are no good fighting games on either.

>the best shmu-
kek

>>4551801
>the best Doom
There's this meme again.

>the best Mario
>the best Zeldas
>the best Doom
>the best F-Zero (okay, maybe second best to GX)
>the best Star Fox
>the best Mario Kart
>the best multiplayer games in general
>the best shooters in general
>the best platformers in general
>the best of just about everything except weebtrash JRPGs
All of those statements are wrong.

>>4551801
>the best doom
Zandronum is pretty damn good

>>4551801
>the best Metroi-
lel

Imo X is better than GX
N64 all fucking day all my real gamers know what im talking about

>>4551850
Metroid is overrated af
Prime sucked dick
I liekd super

>>4551851
You're an insufferable faggot. Please go away and never come back, namefag scum.

>>4551801
>the best shooters
nah. needs two joysticks. you're a faggot.

>>4551856
Kys nerd

>>4551801
>Best star fox
>Best mario kart
>best paper mario
that's a lot of fucking nostalgia. Not shitting on any of them, cause they're all GREAT iterations of their franchises, but you can't honestly say they're the best

>>4551801
>the best Mario
it's the best 3D mario but it's pretty even with the best 2D mario
>the best Zeldas
OoT is really good but nah
>the best Doom
the levels are great, but they're best played in PC Doom, where you can get that + all official doom levels and everything else
>the best F-Zero (okay, maybe second best to GX)
they're pretty close
>the best Star Fox
nope
>the best Mario Kart
hell no
>the best Paper Mario
yes
>the best multiplayer games in general
actually kind of true, as far as local multiplayer goes. but the gamecube might be better
>the best shooters in general
what the fuck
>the best platformers in general
3D + mischief makers is pretty good yeah. kirby 64 sucks though
>the best of just about everything except weebtrash JRPGs
somehow I get the feeling you were cool with those JRPGs when they were on SNES..
>Nintendo will never make a console this good ever again.
Gamecube is slightly better for multiplayer and DS is better for singleplayer. But it's a great all-rounder, for sure

>>4551842
>Killer Instinct Gold
>no good fighting games
Opinion duly discarded.
>>4551868
You might have some semblance of an argument if you were talking solely about MK or PM, but SF64 is without a doubt the best in the series on every objective basis.

>>4551870
>the best shooters in general
>what the fuck
>Goldeneye
>Perfect Dark
>Doom 64
>Turok series
>Quake
>Quake II
>Hexen
>Duke Nukem 64
The N64 is one of the best consoles ever made for first person shooters.
>>4551862
>nah. needs two joysticks. you're a faggot.
Lmao no you're just functionally retarded. D-pad to move, stick to aim. Practically identical to dual analog. Get your game up brainlet.

>>4551872
there's no fucking dodging in Star Fox 64. you're just steamrolling everything, there's no tension. you have to play bad on purpose to experience like half of the levels. Beating the easy route, then the medium route, then the hard route in Star Fox was a much, much better system. SF64's level system tries way too hard to be original and makes a big sacrifice for it. The original system was original enough with each difficulty level being a different set of levels on its own, you don't need to go and fuck with everything like that. You just have to get past the painful framerate in the original

>>4551878
Doom 64 and Duke Nukem 64 are the only really good ones, because they're strafe aim games which the N64 is perfectly capable of. Goldeneye and Perfect Dark are alright since they were designed with N64 in mind, but it's mostly because of the levels and the gunplay itself was quite boring. Playing Quake on an N64 is absolutely ridiculous, you can't even experience the game properly. I didn't even know Hexen had an N64 version, I'll admit. Might be cool.

>>4551881
>there's no fucking dodging in Star Fox 64. you're just steamrolling everything, there's no tension.
Lol what? No dodging? What the fuck are you even talking about? Let's see you get a 3000+ score run on expert mode and then you can talk about difficulty you dingus.
>Beating the easy route, then the medium route, then the hard route in Star Fox was a much, much better system.
No, it's not. It's boring. What makes SF64's system great is that it gives you an option over how to "use" various planets on the route. For example, you might choose to go to one way because you know it'll give you a higher direct score, but if you're say, low on bombs/without lasers and know that another route will yield more, you might choose to go that route instead. It caters to noob players but both punishing and rewarding their actions, and caters to veteran players by letting them wisely utilize paths for various purposes.

>>4551886
>Goldeneye and Perfect Dark are alright since they were designed with N64 in mind, but it's mostly because of the levels and the gunplay itself was quite boring.
Perfect Dark alone puts more PC shooters to shame. Using d-pad for movement and stick for aiming, you can replicate dual analog controls no problem, so unless you're one of those retarded elitists who thinks every console shooter is garbage because it doesn't use a spastic mouse control method then PD does everything right. I'm not sure how you can even begin to call the PD gunplay "boring" when it had some of the most satisfying feedback of any shooter and a variety of multipurpose weapons that puts every other shooter to shame. It also had great level design, there are still almost no other games which actually have dynamic objectives that change with difficulty mode, or such a wide variety of objectives in general. I'm not sure where you're getting any of this but I think you're just a salty PC gamer.
>Playing Quake on an N64 is absolutely ridiculous
It's really not. They're great games. Quake 2 in particular has all new maps with superior level design and weapon balancing than the PC version, even some cool additions like muzzle flash (a retarded omission in PC original).

>>4551887
if you don't care about getting a really high score (99% of people) that's irrelevant and you're just annoyed you can't simply play through all of the levels like in the original. People want to be challenged to beat the game, not get a higher score. That 'difficulty' you describe is literally imperceptible to the overwhelming majority of players, whereas in Star Fox they enjoyed the challenge of beating the 3 paths.

>>4551893
Not arguing with the missions, that's the cool part about Goldeney/Pefect Dark, but you can't say 'the most satisfying feedback of any shooter' when it lacks actual aim. It's an auto-aim game, be realistic lol.
>I'm not sure where you're getting any of this
my superior experience, which comes from playing both console and PC, which you seem to lack.
btw i'm samefag as the star fox guy

>>4551902
Turn off the auto aim

>>4551894
>if you don't care about getting a really high score (99% of people)
This is just plain retarded. Have you ever heard of an arcade kiddo?
>People want to be challenged to beat the game, not get a higher score.
You talk about challenge but I guarantee you didn't even unlock expert mode or you'd realize how difficult getting some of the medals is. Again, I'm not sure where you get this retarded idea that people don't find challenge in maximizing high scores.
>That 'difficulty' you describe is literally imperceptible to the overwhelming majority of players, whereas in Star Fox they enjoyed the challenge of beating the 3 paths.
In SF64 people actually enjoyed replaying the game over and over because every playthrough was a different experience. The truth is that almost nobody gave a fuck about the original Star Fox, meanwhile SF64 was and is extremely popular because it endears itself towards being replayed and mastered, a quality SF1 outright lacks.
>>4551902
>'the most satisfying feedback of any shooter' when it lacks actual aim. It's an auto-aim game, be realistic lol.
What does auto aim have to do with satisfying feedback? Almost every fucking console shooter uses autoaim. Not to mention you can literally manually aim, or turn off auto aim entirely. The feeling of the guns is incredibly satisfying and most games don't even begin to match up.
>my superior experience,
Lol good one kiddo. I was probably playing shooters when you were still swimming in your dad's sack. I've played the entire Doom series, entire Quake series, entire Unreal series, all but one game in the Half-Life series, all but the most recent Deus Ex games, the first 4 Halo games, all of the Timesplitters games, Wolfenstein series, Call of Duty series, Metro series, TF2, Prey, System Shock 1 and 2, Bio Shock 1... even obscure shit like Command & Conquer Renegade. I've probably played more shooters than you've played games, and Perfect Dark is a great fucking shooter.

>>4551801
>best Zelda's
No
>best doom
Hell no
>Best Mario kart
Fucking absolutely wrong
>best shooters in general
Holy shit no stop embarrassing yourself

>>4551917
>Ocarina and Majora aren't the best Zeldas
>Doom 64 isn't the best Doom
>MK64 isn't the best Mario Kart
>god-tier lineup like GE, PD, Turok and Doom isn't amazing

>>4551915
You sound like you're 14.

>>4551801
>>the best Mario
mario 3 shits all over 64

>>the best Zeldas
the only good zelda is aol

>>the best Doom
>console fps
lmao

>>the best F-Zero (okay, maybe second best to GX)
not maybe, gx is leagues better

>>the best Star Fox
true

>>the best Mario Kart
ds would like a word with you

>>the best Paper Mario
ttyd is better

>>the best multiplayer games in general
shame there aren't that many to choose from if your friends aren't nintenbabbies. the wrestling games are a good time, though

>>the best shooters in general
see doom

>>the best platformers in general
third gen has the best platformers

>>the best of just about everything except weebtrash JRPGs
it wins in racing games, i guess

>>4551920
>You sound like you're 14.
You sound like you're asspained.

>>4551918
>OOT and MM
surpassed BY ALttP
>Doom 64
Doom 1 is the best. Undisputed fact.
>Mk64
Double Dash beat it only a gen later
>all that soy tier trash
Doom 1, 2 , and final, Quake 1 and 2, Blood 1 and 2, Duke, Shogo, and Unreal all have those beat.
Get better taste

>>4551915
it's Star Fox 64. I promise you most people who played it were not paying attention to the score. I admit I didn't even know expert mode existed, but I wish I could have picked that instead of having to unlock it. I guess I'll have to play it again and pay attention to my score to do so..
I played thorugh it with a friend when I was really young, then relatively recently played through it myself and thought it wasn't nearly as fun but you've honestly convinced me to give it another try to see what expert mode is like
> it endears itself towards being replayed and mastered, a quality SF1 outright lacks.
I've played through SF1 like 6 times lol.
>What does auto aim have to do with satisfying feedback? Almost every fucking console shooter uses autoaim. Not to mention you can literally manually aim, or turn off auto aim entirely. The feeling of the guns is incredibly satisfying and most games don't even begin to match up.
I think Goldeneye and Perfect Dark kind of feel like shit with auto-aim off, which is probably why it's on by default and so strong.
>I've probably played more shooters than you've played games, and Perfect Dark is a great fucking shooter.
I mean yeah, Perfect Dark is at least on par with most of the games you named, and it's certainly better than fucking Half-LIfe and Halo, only really losing to Doom/Quake/Unreal/TF2, but most of those games aren't that great. I guess by those standards you're right, N64 is by far the best console when it comes to FPS. I guess I"m just not easily impressed by FPS.

>>4551805
wtf was ocarina of time then? you jizz goblin.

>>4551928
>surpassed BY ALttP
In literally no way whatsoever.
>Doom 1 is the best. Undisputed fact.
The fact you'd say Doom 1 when Doom 2 is literally the same game with better levels, better music, an extra weapon and more demons is enough to discard your opinion outright. Doom 64 wins on account of having actual atmosphere, no trash MIDI metal, better art style and the best weapons and levels.
>Double Dash beat it only a gen later
Yeah if you like retarded 2-person mechanic, a bunch of literal baby characters and worse levels.
>all that soy tier trash
Oh, so you're just mentally retarded, okay.

>>4551928
little cucks like you dont know shit about n64.

you know the hits, that's it.

>>4551928
>surpassed BY ALttP
Nope, AlttP is babbys first paint by numbers dungeon ordering.
>Doom 1 is the best. Undisputed fact.
Close but DOOM 2 is the best
>Double Dash beat it only a gen later
MK is one of those franchises that gets better wit each subsequent installation.
>Doom 1, 2 , and final, Quake 1 and 2, Blood 1 and 2, Duke, Shogo, and Unreal all have those beat.
This is the truth

>>4551932
> I promise you most people who played it were not paying attention to the score. I admit I didn't even know expert mode existed, but I wish I could have picked that instead of having to unlock it. I guess I'll have to play it again and pay attention to my score to do so..
I was totally intent on reading the rest of your post and continuing our debate but this completely invalidates anything further you have to say. You pass judgement on the game and call it easy when you were too retarded to even get a medal on every planet and unlock the second half of the game. Unbelievable.

>>4551936
>Doom 2 is better than doom 1
All that extra added stuff aside, you can't possibly say the levels and music is better in 2 than 1. You're a fucking retard
>ALttP isn't better
I can't agree with you. OOT is literally Ztarget and mash B to win. At least the 2d zeldas required a semblance of skill.
>Double Dash
I also mentioned Wii, which surpassed it.
>You're retarded
So you can't refute and prove why the N64's shooter lineup was better. Gotcha.

>>4551940
The N64 has like 7 games tops worth playing. Give me some recs then

>>4551945
dude that's my point. why the fuck do I have do a playthrough where I let falco die or take longer to kill the boss or whatever arbitrary conditions I need to fulfill just to experience all the alternate planets, and do all that befor eI can play expert mode?

>>4551950
>why the fuck do I have do a playthrough where I let falco die or take longer to kill the boss or whatever arbitrary conditions I need to fulfill just to experience all the alternate planets, and do all that befor eI can play expert mode?
Holy fuck this is the kind of magnetic autism that you just can't leave alone. What the fuck are you talking about? There's no "special conditions", you literally just have to A) have all of your crew members alive and B) hit a certain score to get a medal, usually 150. That's it. You fucking suck at video games.

The N64 was so trash. Give me Saturn or PSX over it any day.

>>4551952
isn't that how you get the medals for each planet? according to google I have to get the medal for ALL of the planets before I can play expert mode

>>4551949
Body Harvest
Silicon Valley
Blast Corps
Snowboard Kids 2
SpiderMan 64
Chameleon Twist
Rocket : Robot On Wheels

>>4551949
>All that extra added stuff aside, you can't possibly say the levels and music is better in 2 than 1. You're a fucking retard
Yes I can, because they are. Not that it matters anyway since you can play all of the Doom 1 maps in Doom 2. Don't be so dense.
>I can't agree with you. OOT is literally Ztarget and mash B to win. At least the 2d zeldas required a semblance of skill.
>2D Zelda
>skill
LOL that's a fucking riot. No Zelda game takes skill. Zelda isn't about skill. It's about funny little brain teasers and exploring scenic environments. It's a game you play to relax.
>I also mentioned Wii, which surpassed it.
Yeah yeah, okay, you have shit taste, moving on.
>So you can't refute and prove why the N64's shooter lineup was better. Gotcha.
Fucking lmao, you literally just said "you're a fucking retard" for calling Doom 2 the better game and now you're using this autistic argument? I wasn't even calling you retarded because of your comments about the games, but because you're parroting /v/ soy memes like the gay little child you are. I don't even need to refute your point given that many of the games you just listed are even on the fucking N64 and there's nothing you could do to objectively tell me how any of them are better than Perfect Dark.
>isn't that how you get the medals for each planet? according to google I have to get the medal for ALL of the planets before I can play expert mode
I don't understand what your problem is. For literally anyone else this would be considered a positive aspect. You beat the game a few times, exploring different paths till you get a medal on every planet, then you unlock expert mode which increases the difficulty, adds new mechanics and remixes enemy/item locations. What is so hard to understand about this? It's literally just giving you extra content and incentive to replay the game. You bitch about difficulty but you couldn't even get the medals, jesus.

last point meant for >>4551958

>>4551954
>Give me Saturn or PSX over it any day.
>Arcade Ports: The Console
>Trash JRPGs and Knockoff 3D Platformers: The Console
Whooooooo

>>4551965
it would be a positive aspect if I could simply play every planet without having to fulfill the conditions to go down all the different paths. If ic ould just do 3 consecutive playthroughs of all the planets like in the original and unlock an expert mode that would be sweet. I just remember the game woudl only send you to certain planets if you let someone die or you didn't go through some arches or whatever. seems kind of annoying to replay the planets I've already done until I happent o stumble upon whatever those conditions are

>>4551965
>doom 2
It's levels turn into monster closets and slaughtermap by like map16 and slowly descends from there. Doom 1 was fucking amazing bite size chunk episodes that were creative and never lost momentum.
>All those games were on the N64
Why the fuck would anyone want to play Doom or quake with the borderline autistic N64 controller? Or any controller for that matter.

>>4551846
This

>>4551978
I could try explaining to you that replaying the levels is fun because it's difficult to appreciate them in a single playthrough and they're filled with interactive events and secrets, but somehow I feel that would be lost on you. Enjoy playing your linear, brain-dead 3D shmup.

>>4551918
They're utter shit compared to the earlier 2D Zeldas

>>4551979
not him and I agree FPS is generally shit wiht a controller but DOOM is actually perfectly fine because the aim is so simple and mostly strafe-oriented. and you don't need to do any difficult movement unless you're speedrunning or something so it's whatever.

>>4551983
the problem is they weren't very funt he first time I played through them, because they were just a steamroll, and it didn't draw me back. Star Fox is so fun to replay because it isn't a braindead steamroll. But maybe the levels are more fun with expert mode

>>4551801
The N64 was not that good

NIN
TEN
TODDLER

>>4551868
>star fox 64
>not the best
it is when all the sequels are trash

>>4551954
Saturn>N64>>>PS

>>4551801
>the best Mario
>the best Zeldas
>the best Doom
>the best Paper Mario
Plain wrong.
>the best multiplayer games in general
>the best shooters in general
>the best platformers in general
>the best F-Zero (okay, maybe second best to GX)
Debatable.
>the best Star Fox
>the best Mario Kart
Correct.

>>4552675
the fµck u just mirin in this maggathread the sixty4 stands above all even the treamast

>>4551878
>being this delusional
>being this insecure
the state of (you)

>>4551801
The only one out of this list I'll give you is best Star Fox.

>>4551801
Meh, PSX is still better with none of those things.