/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4548605
What's the point? Get this an everdrive?

The NES one I kinda got since it was $500 for hipsters to brag about.

>>4548616
>What’s the point? Get this an everdrive?

More like wait a week for the Core Store™ to open and load up an SD card with all the ROMs.

>>4548618
So you're pretty much just buying a specific SNES emulator box? Guess that's neat. Wireless controllers kill it for me.

>>4548621
>specific SNES

Wrong.

>emulator box

Wrong.

>>4548625
Hardware emulation is still emulation.

>>4548628
Yea, nah. An implementation in FPGA bypasses all the general-purpose PC baggage that software emulators have to deal with. Given the same degree of accuracy in the simulation, FPGA will always come out on top.

>>4548628
Not him but no it's not idiot. There are millions of words you can provide some kind of dictionary definition for and argue everyone is using it the wrong way, that's not how language works.

>>4548605
why would i use chink knockoff tech instead of just using my actual snes

>>4548645
because your actual snes broke

>>4548646
in that case i'd just buy another snes
they're not exactly rare

>>4548635
>>4548640
It's still emulation though retards. This really needs to be explained to you?

Go read a book you dumb niggers. And thanks for establishing the userbase that buys this shit as hipster children.

>>4548656
books are for faggots

>>4548645
>why would I use chink knockoff tech

Because

1. it isn’t chink knockoff tech - this is legitimate work from a console hacking / engineering legend

2. it has native HDMI output with tons of video and audio options

3. it will (likely) have a way to play ROMs on an SD card for nearly every 8- and 16-bit console and handheld with virtually flawless accuracy

>>4548656
I believe it you who is the nigger here bucko.
:^)

>>4548656
Oh my god, how fucking retarded are you? I already explained to you that dictionary definition arguments are not relevant or appropriate here. I know you had your dictionary definition all ready to whip out for when people correctly pointed out your incorrect use of the word "emulator", but I already explained to you how it does not work here. What sort of mental age does it take to come up with that... 8, 9, maybe 10 at a stretch?

>>4548681
>dictionary definition arguments are not relevant
I don't do niggers speak or nigger arguments or any other for of degenerate speak. Talk like an actual American.

>>4548668
>1. it isn’t chink knockoff tech - this is legitimate work from a console hacking / engineering legend
right but it's not an snes

>2. it has native HDMI output with tons of video and audio options
that's cool i guess but i feel like you could probably figure out a way to just hack composite or hdmi onto an existing snes which would be a lot cooler

>3. it will (likely) have a way to play ROMs on an SD card for nearly every 8- and 16-bit console and handheld with virtually flawless accuracy
snes flash carts already allow this

>>4548687
You're a fucking idiot.

>>4548691
No I just use dictionary words and not special snowflake argument techniques of making words mean something that I or my group made up. That used to be called basic language skills.

>>4548690
>composite
shit i meant component, i always confuse the two because i'm retarded

>>4548656
FPGAs are 100% cycle accurate, if done correctly, and I don't have any doubt it's the same here.

They've been used to get perfect reproductions of arcade hardware for years now.

Dipshit retards that can't tell the difference between FPGA and emulators and immediately shit up threads with garbage need to get the fuck off here.

http://www.jrok.com/hardware/bzf/berzerk_benchmarking.html

>>4548690
There is no HDMI mod yet for SNES.

The best you can do is to run the signal through a line-doubler / tripler ADC like the OSSC, and when you factor that plus the cost of an SD2SNES, then you might as well go with the Super Nt, which is, for all intents and purposes, a real SNES.

>>4548702
Is the issue here that you dumb kids are only capable of understanding the word "emulator" as a negative? That doesn't change the fact this product is an emulator.

why dont' they just reproduce the original chip? if you can make a fgpa 100% accurate why not just make the real thing instead of programing the chips?

>>4548709
I assume it's difficult to just start reproducing a really old chip while FPGAs are mass produced so it costs a lot less.

>>4548706
It does when you're too stupid to tell the difference between software level and hardware level emulation. Which is more like a simulator since the circuits are reprogrammed directly. Try actually researching FPGAs you goddamn autist.

>>4548706
It's as much of an emulator as a Dendy NES is.

>>4548709
There could be edge cases with specific games that produce errors; this happens even in hardware revisions of an original console.

With an ASIC there would be no way to fix the problem once it’s gone to manufacturing. An FPGA means that the simulation can be changed and improved over time. (It also makes the SD card jailbreak and Core Store possible)

>>4548709
The fpga is cheaper than trying to find a chip fab that would spit out only like 10k of these chips. And Nintendo would be likely to come after them.

>>4548705
Why would I bother putting my SNES on HDMI?

>>4548727
Because all nowadays monitors are either hdmi or display port, and all the older monitors died out.

>>4548721
I don't know about 3rd world knock offs but I assume that the Dendy is clone hardware not an emulator.
>>4548720
Actually kiddo if you look at the post chain (bit different than your reddit) you can see I said hardware emulation. Not that it matters though because it's emulation. This just sad at this point that common core kids ignore the dictionary.

Are here all russians on the board or how else everyone knows what Dendy is?

>>4548727
To get better upscaling of a 240p signal compared to the typical hack job done by the average consumer HDTV.

Also with something like the Super Nt you get a clean, end-to-end digital signal.

>>4548681
Do you happen to be that same guy that goes autistic when someone writes
>aged
?

>>4548736
Yes. That is what I meant
. It is like a dendy. It really has a clone cpu, it really has a clone sound chip, it really has a clone video chip, it really has a reverse engineered bios.

>>4548732
I have plenty of older monitors here that still work. They may not be as accessible to everyone as they'd wish, but I've got plenty of CRTs to last me for some time. Besides, you don't need anything special, you can find people giving away CRTs on Craigslist. I got a Trinitron from Craigslist for free and it works just fine. You never needed the most amazing TV ever for this kind of thing, you just needed one that showed a picture.
I don't understand the issue people have here.

>>4548741
This is the vr board. We talk about all sort of vr type shit. Nes threads are normal.

>>4548736
How do you distinguish between a clone and an emulator?

>>4548747
Tt "cloned" those components in emulation. Guess you could say that.
Kid, read a dictionary. Don't reply back.
>>4548756
Depends. Some clone/bootlegs make no real attempt to play the original they are ripping off. Is this something you're ignorant about?

>>4548754
Yes, these threads are normal, I agree. But people here are from all aver the world, it's an international board. And you discuss Dendy as if everyone here knows what is it. But it's a local russian hardware, how could people here know about it?

if it's not CRT / OG it doesn't satisfy my autism

>>4548761
Stop pretending to know what you're talking about. We all told you to shut up.

>>4548770
I'll stick to real word dictionary terms over made up shit by 3rd world shithole residents. I assumed your lack of understanding the dictionary was because you were young but now it seems you're just muslim.

>>4548773
Back to your >>>/pol/ hole with you, fuckwit.

>>4548762
Not him but the Dendy is well-known and often brought up here. People find it interesting, I've seen it mentioned dozens of times. It's probably the most famous and widespread clone in existance, no reason why people shouldn't know about it.

>>4548762
I learned about it from kinnaman's translated series on youtube from people here. That's why this board is great.

>>4548776
Man solid argument.
>>4548785
It's brought up more often than not for people to laugh at.

>>4548794
No it's not. The point is that guy talking about dictionary definitions and "third world countries" didn't even know what a Dendy is.

>>4548635
>it's better emulation so it's not emulation
kek

>>4548762
>it's a local russian hardware
Sounds like you're confused lad. It's the other big commie country that claims Taiwan.

>>4548705
that's too bad, i'd much rather just have a solid video setup on an original snes

Whose voice did you read that tweet in, Coury or Try?

>>4548702

FPGA is fucking great, but there can be a difference. I own a jrok multi williams board and a real joust cabinet. Even in the same cabinet (i bought the "official" jrok joust to jamma adapter) they are very slightly different. Same cabinet is important because there are williams leaf switches which feel different than regular microswitch buttons.

I bought my joust cabinet for $50 believe it or not, but the boards were really fucked up. I sent all boards to "the real bob roberts" to have them repaired. He used to be a williams tech for williams and bought a lot of diagnostic equipment when they liquidated. The guys a legend at repair. Anyway, while he was fixing the boards I bought the jrok one.

The jrok board is fucking quality but joust does play slightly different. There can sometimes be slight graphical problems, VERY slight but it happened. I'm a fucking sperg about joust and used to play it almost daily until a few years ago. Now, I'm out of practice and forgot patterns. There was also something just a touch off about the physics, i can't remember exactly as it's been a few years, but I could never beat the high score from real hardware on a jrok board.

I don't think it's an issue for anyone really, jrok is great, but there can be slight differences. Again FPGA is great, I'm not knocking it at all.

>>4548605
when does this thing come out

it's going to have the finished version of Super Turrican in it. someone better extract it

Is a 1chip SNES emulating a 2 chip?

>>4548805
Wow an American didn't know what a Dendy is? You don't say?

>>4548818
That sounds like an issue with the specific FPGA implementation, not FPGAs in general. Like I said, "If done correctly".

>>4548826
February 7th

>>4548828
According to the resident retard / troll ITT, yes.

>>4548839
I guess it turns out emulation really is as cool as I thought it was when I was 16 then.

>>4548832
>if done correctly

What a cop-out. A bowl of macaroni could be cycle accurate if done correctly.

>>4548853
Only if you stick your dick in it.

>>4548605
my wifes son loves emulator machines and pvmemes

>not buying of these days things and reliving the glory days of the dingoo

>>4548870
Why the fuck is this thread such a magnet for shitposting autists that need to fuck off back to /v/?

>>4548872
It can’t run higan.

>>4548879
They feed on contention. /vr/ is largely immune to them since by and large the major questions on the topic have been settled long ago. They can still shitpost on subjective topics like "my childhood gaming platform is great no matter how valid criticisms of it may be" but their absolute native element is topics like this one where there are developments that raise discussion that has not yet been arrived at a consensus. Aggressively spouting from positions that have some degree of merit makes them feel insightful.

>>4548903
Or just maybe they don't want to see eceleb shit on the front page. Something that objectivity is cancer.

>>4548668
>>4548656
>>4548605
And it still wouldnt emulate any chip based titles worth a damn!

they couldn't even get chip titles other than DSP-1 and Cx4 on the SDSNES and they procrastinated long enough on SFX.

>>4548902
And this can?

>>4548928
The fact that you think an FPGA is supposed to run software emulators says it all.

>>4548927
They could make a FPGA for those, too. It would have to be it's own cartridge, though. Not built-in. The point of this is to play originals, though.

>>4548927
Never say never. For sure, I’m waiting for Kevtris to spill the beans on what his jailbreak can or cannot do with the Super Nt’s hardware before I buy one, but special chip cores could happen.

>>4548879
>>4548903
Maybe because this is a shithole thread with some fucking nobody autistic eceleb twitter shill screencap as the op. fuck off gramps you're /vr/s worst namefag
>>4548923
this

>>4548832
Yeah I totally agree, if done correctly it's a damn fine thing. The aforementioned jrok board is honestly great. I imagine the issue came from the fact it was a multi game pcb and not focused on one particular set of hardware. I'm no expert in the matter, so I may be talking out my ass here, but I imagine if you're focusing on one particular system you could get closer to perfection.

Again, the issues in joust weren't that bad and unless you were turbo autist or trying to master it for high scores you'd never notice the miniscule differences.

>>4548951
I really hope that it can save states to the SD card, or even make continuous state recordings that can be played back later.

The fact that Analogue hasn’t advertised anything like that doesn’t give me much hope, though.

>>4548923
>>4548974
>We don't want to see the thread at the top of the index so we bumpstorm the shit out of it

Brilliant! I hate e-celeb threads myself but the Super NT is a topic that I AM interested in and it's on topic so.. Maybe hide the thread? If you think I'm so bad maybe filter me?

This is absolutely emulation, regardless of how accurate it is. I don’t even know why it’s debateable.

>>4549041
Good advice. Here’s a reminder how to filter.

>>4549043
Is a model 2 Genesis emulating a model 1?

>>4549028
Yeah, I wouldn't trust those multiboards to be 100% accurate, no matter how few games they might have on them. Would it happen to be this Williams Multigame board? http://www.multigame.com/williams.html

>>4549043
Because you're too stupid to know the difference between software emulation and hardware that's designed to act 100% like the original.

Protip: This isn't an ARM or x86 running Higan.

>>4549050
Does the model 2 contain any hardware to emulate hardware that it lacks from model 1? If so, then yes. But I think it still contains a YM2612 for sound, and a 68000 and Z80, so no, it’s not emulation. Any other questions?

>>4549083
Regardless, you said it yourself, the hardware is ACTING like the original. It’s not original. Thus, it’s emulation. :^)

>>4549050
model2 genesis doesn't use a FPGA

>>4549041
Guy, I've been here since 4chan practically started. The whole 'Ignore and it'll go away" thing doesn't work. All you can hope for is to make the discussion so absolute cancer that the original cancer finally fucks off. Unfortunately this is a never ending cycle.

A shitpost thread is far more entertaining than gen z ecelebrites thinking they're welcome here.

>>4549089
Is a YM3438 emulating a YM2612?

>>4548832
The problem is: can it be done correctly and maintain a reasonable price? And even more importantly, WILL it be done correctly? Given the track record of hardware emulators, the stakes are highly against new products. If this is not 100% accurate and gives Higan a run for its money and a high-five at the end, it's hot garbage.

>>4548605
okay but unless they've made some magical advances in snes clone hardware, it still won't run the usual suspects

>>4549130
it's a hardware replacement

>>4549095
Fuck off all you goddamn pendatic turboautist fuckshits.

>>4549130
Technically, yes. It doesn’t do it 100% accurately either. There are some games that sound different because of it.

>>4549089
This has to be a troll. NOONE could legit be this stupid.

>>4549160
Not an arguement.

>>4548605
Wait can someone explain what this is?

>>4549168
Also not an arguement.

>>4549172
Sure. It’s a meme emulator box for faggots.

>>4548605

>>4549183

>>4549172
A snes with hdmi output. If it turns out decent itll obsolete getting a 1chip snes and a framemister if you're looking to play on modern flat screen.

>>4549214
So should i sell my 1chip-03 right now nefore it drops in value? currently is around $150-200.

>>4549189
>>4549183
SOY

>>4549220
Nah. People will always love original hardware. The super nt is for the person that wants a siple solution that doesn't want to deal with up scaling or crts. And we dont know how shit or not it is yet.

>>4548753
>I have plenty of older monitors
>I've got plenty of CRTs to last me for some time
>I got a Trinitron
>I never needed the most amazing TV
>I just needed one that showed a picture
>I don't understand the issue

jeez dude, we get it, you like to talk about yourself and your dirty house filled with old tv's, doesn't mean that the mass majority of people can't wish for having a television set that didn't come out the same year M.A.S.H. was a hit series. If you are interested in using the extra space you have at home to fill it with CTRs then suit yourself, but don't be obnoxious about how people could have potential problems with this compared to just having a unit with hdmi.

>>4548741
hello newfriend

>>4549041
>>4548974
>pic related

>>4549250
So, you have nothing worth saying, k cool. 1/10 for making me reply.

>>4548635
>>4548628
>>4548640
Wait just how good is it emulating
Will it have identical or reduced input latency as compared to an SNES?

Is it "just as good" as an snes?
Does it have wired controllers?

>>4549401
It has a FPGA. The FPGA is arranged to simulate a SNES. That is electrically, it is actually pretending to be a Ricoh 5A22 interfacing with a S-SMP etc etc etc.

It is like having a system on chip or clone console than it is a retron5 or raspberry pi.

>>4549449
Ok so this is a completely different level than just some faggot putting snes9x on a raspberry pi.

So would you say it's just as good about the lag?
Would it be able to play off of SD cards?
That would be more functionality than an SNES of course, but still...

>>4549458
It has an SD slot and its design is similar to the ANT Mini which can not only load roms from SD but can load additional "cores" to its fpga to simulate other consoles. The hope is that it will also do this only better with a bigger FPGA as well as cheaper (the ANT Mini was like $400 IIRC). Also, yes it has SNES controller ports they're just using a wireless dongle for an 8bitdo SNES30 wireless controller in OP's image

>>4549485
What would the video out be?
HDMI?
Composite?

I'd imagine they'd have RCA and also HDMI.

Would be ideal if they allowed for multiple outs, like composite, S-video, component, AND HDMI. Cover all the bases.

>>4549240
There are simpler solutions that don't cost 200 bucks. This is for people who want the advantages of emulation but think that emulators are beneath them.

>>4549517
The base unit is HDMI only, which was apparently a cost-saving measure to keep the price down.

The Nt mini has HDMI plus analog (RGB / component / S-video / composite) out via 15-pin D-Sub connector, but only one of them could be used at any time.

This time around for the Super Nt, Analogue is offering an external DAC that they say adds no lag. You’ll probably be just fine with any of the other adapters out there.

>>4549568
Its for the normie that wants plug and play easy. Everything else that i know of requires "skills" that normies see as too difficult.

>>4548832
Everything is perfect "If done correctly" dingus

>buying an emulator box

What is even the point? This isn't the fucking 90s, emulators for 8 and 16 bit consoles are accurate enough for there to be no noticeable difference between an emulator and an emulator box. If you want 100% accuracy then use real hardware, if you want convenience then use an emulator.

>>4549083
Regardless, you said it yourself, the hardware is ACTING like the original. It’s not original. Thus, it’s emulation. :^)

>>4549485
So there's a chance this thing might be able to run other ROMs too? Because if this can run NES, SNES, Genesis, GB, and GBC stuff, I'd probably pick one up for an easy to set up and run emulator box for couch co-op with a friend.

and maybe GBA games too, though I'm not sure how strong the hardware is of this.

>>4548605
>sgb2
what a show off.
just get a modded sgb lol

When are preorders supposed to start shipping out for this thing?

>>4550239
February 7th, is this the first you're hearing about the system? The date was announced like a week ago and posted in this thread

>>4550090
Yes, there's a pretty good chance but I personally am not even considering buying one until I know for sure. I expect this thing will be very popular and massively produced though.

>>4548628

by this definition every hardware revision past v1 of a console is "emulation"

>>4549936
why are you screaming?