/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[01-23] Zanieon releases demo of his map, Main UAC Hangar
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=53887

[01-22] Babel updated
https://babel-mod.neocities.org/

[01-17] Anon release: gp.wad, requires cc4tex
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jvcy01vckqejdpv/gp.wad?dl=0

[01-15] Quake Champions Doom Edition trailer + release date "02-10-18"
https://youtu.be/ccM_t9vv3Ek

[01-15] La Tailor Girl updated to 1.3
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1036072#p1036072

[01-14] Latest version of Cyberpunk Shootdown re-uploaded
https://www.dropbox.com/s/m1837juflyi2u0e/cyberpunkshootdown-v4.2.pk3?dl=1

[01-14] Anon wants to make music for your map:
>>/vr/thread/4521250#p4522475

[01-14] Smooth Doom update
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1837660

[01-13] Crispy Doom 5.1 released
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1837447

[01-13] Doom LMP Uploader: encode/upload demos to youtube
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/98777-doom-lmp-uploader/

[01-12] Nuclear Chunks: a new Plutonia map each Friday, by Khorus
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/98752-nuclear-chunks/

[01-11] Tangerine Nightmare RC2
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1836694

[01-11] Anon map release: Toxic Complex
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/98745-toxic-complex/

[01-11] ProjectILE update:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/9476i5x9040keox/ProjectILE_Zdoom_11.pk3

[01-11] DAKKA news/updates:
>>/vr/thread/4515853#p4516417

[01-11] Anon map release: 4hr speedmap for his friend's birthday
https://my.mixtape.moe/odkpwm.wad

[01-09] Anon map release: his first map, second release removing some ZDoom-isms
https://mega.nz/#!8IRlWCzS!svHMzkM2pjNfTLturNDx4AqPjvhAGKlw2EhjmB43PZI

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>>4546054
Oh my goodness, new art that's adorable

>>4546062
It's not new, but might as well use it.

>>4546054
>>4546062

Lads, how can I get DoomRL Arsenal and DOOMRPG working again? I accidentally updated doomrpg

>>4546054
> MRW I'm still not the OP pic

>>4546080
we'll call you when an application comes up, mr. skeletal.

im gonna make a map which focuses on pain elementals... dont see enough of the guys

>>4546057
>Zanieon releases
thanks for listening lol

>>4545902
Comatose would run like ass on many PCs due to the way it is build.

It was designed to push Boom format to its limits - it is a wide open map with as many linedefs, sectors etc. visible, and as little visual blockers as possible. There's even a dedicated zone made specifically to dump some extra detailing linedefs for explicit purpose of hitting the linedef limit beyondwhich PRBoom crashes.

It will run mostly fine only on PRBoom+/GLBoom+.
My rig which is an oldass 2.4Ghz Core Duo with Geforce 8600 (12 year old gpu) runs Comatose at ~40-50 fps, while most other maps give me 700-1400fps.

>>4522475
Can you make an intro music that has dark and moody fantasy feel to it like Heretic map music (not the menu theme - it's not that good in it)?

Is there any great gameplay mod that adds new monsters or whatever without changing the vanilla aspect of weapons? I really like Bulleteye or Prodoomer enemies but I'd like to play in actual wads and without a forced gun wad

>when a map requires something other than one of the two original iwads

>>4546141
>and here we have the revenant from the original doom

I really don't get the appeal of doom. It's just a top down shooter (2D) played from a first person perspective and with some graphical gimmicks thrown in.

>>4546151
I'm detecting a shitter who just watched another "Doom is not 3D!" utoob e-celeb and believed it

>>4546151
What's wrong with top down shooters?

Does anybody know if Hexen Souls is still going? Feels like it's been months since I last heard about it.

>>4546151
>This is a theory
>a Game Theory!
god I hat those retards
99 times out of 100 they know fuck all of what they are talking about. It is amusing but sometimes their shit directly contradict the source they claim to use, like they don't even read what they cite.

That height difference though.

>>4546151
is every fps a "top down shooter (2D) played from a first person perspective and with some graphical gimmicks thrown in" to you?
anyway i hope this is bait

>>4546191
He's talking about the way maps are formatted in Doom

>>4546192
Oh. Not sure why they mentioned it at all then.

>>4546151
The appeal of doom is the appeal of the first person shooter, it's one of the most clean and pure examples of such.

>>4546143
what

>>4546192
>>4546198
they may be formatted in absolutely any way - they are still translated into a proper 3D space by the engine, where you can distinctly move in all 3 axis.
The ability to move in 3 axis is what makes any simulation a 3D by definition, "buts" and "actuallys" past this point do not matter.

>>4546205
Awhile back we got a video of some new guys that're running Id and they completely fucked up the names of the monsters in the studio.

>>4546210
I don't recall anything like that these past weeks
sauce?

>>4546209
yeah I agree, faggots who go on about it (like in this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb6Eo1D6VW8 jesus christ acting like he just figured it out) are just being smart cunts

>>4546212
I think this was about two years ago during Doom 4's announcement and shit.

>>4546131
You want monster mods, and honestly there's very few of them around.

>>4546185
???
it's like half a head difference

>>4546217
Well Doomguy/Doomslayer is like, 6'2 right? Blaz stands at 5'2 so maybe I should make Blaz shorter.

>>4546131
brutal doom monsters?

>>4546212
he's referring to the gameplay showcase demo the devs did of doom 4 sometime prior to the game's release. one of them was asked 'what was that' in the middle of a fight and he said 'I think that's a revenant' when a mancubus was clearly on screen.

maybe he was talking about one that was in the same room earlier, or he just had a nerve wracking brain fart and got the names mixed.

>>4546185
>slrlrr
I'm sorry just.. that helmet really needs work

>>4546228
Please just let me forget. I don't think about it 'til you pop up.

>>4546228
It's a wee bit late for that now.

>>4546232
slrlrr
you'll never hear the end of this kegan

>>4546247
That wasn't even me.

>>4546228
>>4546247
i dont get it

>>4546232
>>4546234
I think the main issues with it are the lack of a gorget (the helmet just.. melds into the neck instead) and shape definition. Are you sure it's too late for it?

>>4546252
previous thread stuff, sorry

>>4546253
huh you take a crack at this yourself? it's not bad...

>>4546252
Someone saw the current helmet sprites of the Doomslayer is some... weird alien thing with mouthflaps or something.

>>4546253
I really don't want to go back and edit 100+ frames.

>>4546131
Colorful Hell. Hard Doom. DRLA Monsters.

>>4546257
don't worry I work for commission ;)

>>4546262
I'm broke. I gotta fix my windshield wipers.

>>4546264
I can probably fix that too while I'm at it.

>>4546256
Yeah it's trying to get the sprite closer to the Night Sentinel look.
>>4546257
>I really don't want to go back
Damn.. well I won't bother you about it, you're usually meticulous about getting things looking right, so I wanted to give some input. Just do what works for you and take it easy!

>>4546270
If I was just starting this then yeah, I'd be willing to go back and adjust the helmets, provided I have rotations, but I've hit the end of the sprites and shit. Sorry anon.

>>4546273
Are you REALLY sure though?

>>4546292
Holy shit, what're your rates?

>>4546292
LOL!!

spicy bear on twink action

any scary doom wads?

>>4546335
Is changing the crosshair color also a part of this mod?

>>4546360

nah the crosshair is independent from the mod, its a gzdoom option

>>4546337
Happy time circus, ghoul's forest, lasting light. Want creepy, but not scary? Strange Aeons, shut up and bleed, Doom 64 EX.

>>4546361
My mistake. I thought you were playing it in 64 EX.

>>4546335
is it meant to be that dark? aside from hud crosshair and those two circles of flame it's just a black rectangle.

>>4546367
Doom 64 is a dark game.

>>4546335
>>4546367
let's brighten it a little

>>4546368
too dark if you ask me. i don't see how that's playable, you can't see anything. maybe a slight improvement when made fullscreen, but not enough.

>>4546368
Isn't the screenshot from The Spirit World, though?

Trying to maximize the comfy for a Martian coffee shop. Thinking of adding some combination bookcase/tables

>>4546423

>>4546423
>icon of sin
>skulls
>martian
Looks more hellish to me.

Satan's Hell Hole
cheese.zip (313 KB, 1994-09-12) - Matthew G. Hooper
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=841

if you've played this you'll probably remember it as the McDonalds wad. lots of new graphics, textures derived from sprites, and so forth, the guy knew what he was doing technically, but the map itself suffers horribly from an excess of symmetry and repetition, along with annoying crushers and teleporter mazes. the fake row of attacking barons was a cute trick. worth looking through but not great to play.

>>4546441
A BBS advertisement? Wow.

Wonder what this guy is doing now. Imagine having been a doom mapper since 1994 - the sheer experience and portfolio you would have!

>>4546447
>A BBS advertisement? Wow.
they're less common in solo play wads but old school deathmatch wads are full of them

>>4546426
hey maybe martians have goat horns and big teeth, we just don't know!
>>4546425
frogs?

>>4546426
>>4546471

I was thinking of what textures might be nice to look at during a dust storm or resonance cascade and kept coming back to that pretty green marble as a focal point. Its part of a water feature, which I hoped made it seem less like something dreadful and tinged with damnation.

Alright ill try again...
Apparently GZDoom intergrated some MBF features ages ago, how do I enable them? I only know how to summon the helper dogs

>>4546054
So just asking, is there a version of the original DOOM cover art with HDOOM monsters? I'm searching for something like it for reasons.

>>4546489
>what textures might be nice to look at during a ... resonance cascade

>>4546519
yes there are several, here is one (mildly nsfw)

>>4546526
PROMOTIONS

i don't like how metadoom's grenade launcher projectiles look like cans i wanna crunch and play with

>>4546504
The only relevant features MBF had are friendly monsters, ability to change sky and a few new action parameters that came with friendly units.

All of which is present in the ZDoom - you can summon any monster as an ally.

Just like in MBF, doing something more with the friendly system reequires editing monsters - in MBF it was done through DEHACKED methods, that are compatible with ZDoom and you can still do that, but it is much easier to achieve same result with decorate.

It also had beta BFG, which is again, easy to recreate through decorate.

The rest were pretty much raisd vanilla limits and thats it.

>>4546526
Perfect for my shitposting needs, thank you anon.

>>4546212
>>4546225
don't forget how some of quake champions references to older id games are kinda wrong
>refering to doom 3 armor pick up as "spare mags"

>>4546583
because no one really cares about doom in a quake game my d00d

>>4546631
won't change the fact they still got shit wrong
not even that playstation smash game would get this sort of shit wrong

>>4546634
i mean it's possible they meant for it to be a different cosmetic and just matched the descriptions up wrong, iirc doomguy also has shoulderpads referred to as a shotgun bandolier and vice-versa

Where would the option to automatically reload be for weapons/wads that need to be reloaded

>>4546642
if the mod has an options menu, it'd be in there
otherwise, there won't be one

>>4546526
>that one in the background with the clothes
I don't get it

>>4546673
"You said you were going on a date with me tonight! Heartbreaker!"

>>4546001
If you think I've forgotten, you're sadly mistaken.

Give me the map or you will be met with a terrible fate.

>>4546692
Yeah I'm still waiting on this too.

Also best/favorite oblige settings?

>>4546692
This anon has 8th Grade Syndrome

>>4546694
Come on it's an oblige map. They're all the same more or less. It won't be better or worse than any other you've played.

>>4546695
What does that mean

>>4546696
This is kind of true but the way he described it at the beginning intrigued me.

Has anyone thought of using AI for doom map making?

>>4546716
What the fug

>>4546692
Same.

>>4546716
is dis blu pikkolo?

>>4546372
Someone just has a cheap LCD with black point in the sky.

>>4546716
Thanks, doc

>>4546740
>>4546801
These are an ancient alien versions of the zombie mans, skelegant made them along side the sargents the imps and i think also the chaingunners.

What's the worst wad you've ever played?

>>4546843
Lilith.

>>4546843
what animal

>>4546878

Muskrat I believe

>>4546878
Capybara.

>>4546843

I'm annoyed by Brutal Doom's immersion breaking cinematics. It's impressive, but I can't stand how it disrupts pacing. I imagine some players see the "brutal" death animations as dramatic flare. I'd just rather shoot things, everything being equal

>>4546843
Not the worst WAD I've played ever, but the worst WAD that was suggested to me:
Hellbound. It has a decent theme and visuals are not bad, but it's so fucking boring and dull.

PRODOOMER: ridiculously infuriating solely because such tremendous ammount of effort, that could've been aplied much better if the author had peer oversight during development phase, went into polishing a fucking turd.

>>4546843
That D4T monster addon.
>hurr lost souls, lost souls everywhere

While I should be focusing more on the white tier boss enemies in CH
..Ive found making fireblu and gray enemies a bit more fun in the meantime.
Even tho they are suppoused to be optional

>>4546919
Woah, the CH guy posts here?

Your mod is tremendous fun. With the default weaponset, I have to play on skill 0 to stand a chance.

>>4546843
I don't think I've ever played a bad wad. I've played plenty that frustrated me because I got lost and spent minutes aimlessly running about the map - Ancient Aliens, Strange Aeons, BTSX and these other ambitions wads. Great wads, don't get me wrong, but I tend to struggle with their level design.

>>4546923
Isnt CH started out here?

I feel a bit retarded asking this, but how do I delete Things in doombuilder?

>>4547006
select them and hit the delete key

>>4547006
SUPR/DEL, not backspace.

>>4546843
Regular Day.

Never have I felt so disattached to my favorite game such a Doom as I have when playing this mod.
Doom to me was like the perfect end all-all around cleanser for me.
I would play horrible wads that changed the looks, the sound, the levels, and it wouldn't matter cause Doom was Doom and I was happy to mess around with a game that I believed could not be radically smeared by any other means.

This mod...
It's horrible. It's all the cringiest things cobbled together, hiding behind a game I grew up with so much that even an action packed, bloody and violent based situation like Doom was completely destroyed and made uncomfortable for me.
I hate it. And Doom is slightly less appealing to me than ever before.
Sperg, Autsy, call me what you will, but you asked.

>>4546698
this guy doesn't anime

>Watch Icarus' video about Doom Incarnate
>"...You can dual wield anything"
>mfw
This fucking meme with nuWolfenstein and dual wielding has to stop, invent some interesting alt-fire options instead of just optin for the "You can go full akimbo, lol"

>>4547093
The only actual game FPS (not mods) where you can dualweild anything that I remember are Borderlands (Gunzerker) and nuWolf.
Sadly, Gunzerker is the most boring out of characters since dualweilding and unlimited ammo are his only gimmicks, and nuWolf sucks ass with 60% of the game being retarded story and only 40% being actual shooty gameplay.

>>4547105
Yeah, I know, but dual wielding -anything- could just be a powerup (Like in Guncaster) or you'd only be able to dual wield weapons that make sense like pistols, uzis and the like, it just annoys me to no end when you can dual wield full length shotguns and assault rifles without suffering too much about it.

why no one told me about this?! shit is fun

What are some underrated fps games on pc and console before 96?

>>4547113
I meant dualing 2 diffeent guns at the same time. In Guncaster you can dual only the same gun. Sualing different guns actually can be fun and open new possibilities since a different gun can act kinda like an altfire so you can mixup primary/secondary to your liking. Especially if weapons have different elements and special effects like in Borderlands.

I think the A_Overlay function of GZD can be used to create the same sort of Guns-made-by-combining-parts as in Borderlands, but it would require tremendous ammmount of layer fuckery. Probably would need to be animated as a model first and then ripped to sprites later for consistency, but it IS theoretically possible to recreate Borderlands system now.

>>4547124
Heretic.

>>4546843
On a related note, does anyone have a not broken link for sky may be for zdoom?

>>4547119
never heard of it
>>4547129
no idea such a thing existed

>>4547134
>never heard of it
you're a baron of hell, with a gun!

>>4547076
It looks awful just by looking at the pics. I tend to go for more serious looking wads.

>>4547137
oh cool

>>4547119
It seems like Doom: Rampage Edition but actually good

>>4547119
feels like it wants to be a pillowblaster mod but can't quite get there.

I desire a fantasy themed, Heretic-compatible DRLA with equipments and enchantments.

>>4547146
The gun is good.

>>4546337
Unloved

>>4546843
Some "HD remake" Doom 1 wad somebody posted on here. Slopes everywhere for no reason, a fuckton of ambient noise, shitty metal mp3 soundtrack, just terrible, On a similar note, KDIZD was pretty bad.

>>4546634
>not even that playstation smash game would get this sort of shit wrong
It did. So did Smash Bros. Smash actually got a lot of shit wrong.

>>4547219
>Smash actually got a lot of shit wrong.
What was it?

>>4546843
>>4547213
>its doom.wad but everything is covered in babyoil

>>4546843

Solace Dreams.
I really fucking hate Solace Dreams.

>>4547093
you have no clue what a meme is

>>4547119

IMO it falls into the usual trap of "Play as the monster!" mods/weaponsets in that you're not really using much of the monster abilities, you're still using guns.

>>4547227
He uses the "nu" prefix, of course he doesn't.

>>4547220
>What was it?
They claimed Dedede was perfect.

>>4547236
you are three posts away from blaming '14ers or ranting about the doominati

Hey guys, rate my battlestation

UACHang-Demo1.wad

>>4547220

Just off the top of my head, it listed Peppy Hare as the sole survivor of the Battle of Venom, it said Ayumi Tachibana solved the murder of her friend and then opened up her detective agency, that Samus got the Dark Suit from Dark Torvus Temple...
The point is, keeping track of all sorts of minutae across franchises is hard.

>>4547238
Oh fuck off. It's a legitimate observation. And don't lump me in with that fetishistic retard. Shitty habits deserve to be called out.

>>4547243
filters/10, but otherwise looks cool. i have a soft spot for holographic computer displays

>>4547238
Fuck off. He's completely right.

>>4547243
>filters

>>4547248
What are filters? Is that when you use OpenGL instead of Software?

>>4547247
two
>>4547252
one

>>4547262
Fuck off, 14er.

>>4547262
>>4547263

>>4547263
>>4547267
and boom goes the dynamite

>>4547263
Huh, guess >>4547238 was right.

>>4547271
>Your next line will be: p-p-paint bruh

All because your /v/eddit buzzwords got insulted.

>>4547261

Sort of. Filters are an OpenGL-only rendering technique that takes the pixels and tries to "smooth" them out, which most of the time ends up looking awful.

>>4547279
I see. I usually prefer Software but there was some problem a couple versions ago with it rendering the skybox, so I had to switch to OpenGL.

Maybe there's something in the options to disable filters, I like the pixellated look of these old games. I don't think my screenshot or your examples necessarily look bad though.

>>4547282

It's really a matter of preference. I'll probably give you shit for filters for like one or two posts, but ultimately if you like how they look then go for it. That's the beauty of having options for them in the first place.
To disable you go to Options > Display Options > OpenGL Renderer > Texture Options > Texture Filter Mode.

>>4547286
Ah, just turned them off. I see what you mean - the textures are sharper now, whereas they were blurry before. I definitely prefer them this way, though I'll probably change it up every now and again.

Anyone got that screen cap of anons reacting to High Noon Drifter's title screen without the black silhouette layering? Pizza pie, that's how you know it's amore, that one.

>>4547295
https://i.warosu.org/data/vr/img/0043/35/1508358893765.png

Anyone got recommendations for a good gameplay wad + mapset to play in coop? All anyone plays around here is Complex Doom + LCA with 1 life and it's boring as fuck.

>>4547324

I was just wondering about this. Seconding for any interesting coop experiences.

>>4547320
Thanks anon.

>>4547324
>Complex+LCA
that's zandro for you
I don't know of many gameplay mods that play nice with multiplayer, I guess maybe Samsara? If you don't like the infinite LCA/1LIFE/ARK/RUS/MEME servers, then I don't think you'd like any of the other mods that are on doomseeker 24/7, so I'm out of ideas.

>>4547324
what mapset is that?

>>4547346

Not sure, got it off google images.

You know whats a fun as fuck map? UAC Dead. I highly recommend playing it in Crispy Doom (or Chocolate if that's your buzz) as it really made me feel like playing Doom back when I was a kid. I love the vehicles in the map and how big the area you can around in is.

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/s-u/uac_dead

Modders ITT, what program do you use for spritework? What about coding weapons and NPCs?

>>4547334

Found something interesting - Dark7 Mission Pack + WW Nazis.

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/dark7mpk

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=29815

>>4547384
Spriting: Photoshop for complex layer stuff and frankenspriting
Paint.NET for simple pixel stuff
SLADE for applying proper offsets
coding: Notepad++

>>4547391
How do you 'install' the weapon scripts in a wad tho? Let's say that one of the weapons that I want to make a weapon that hurts you but gives you ammunation for another weapon, (-10hp for 50 ammo, for example) I do the code, but then what? How do I make it appear in my wad along with the maps, music etc.
Sorry for asking this but I can't find any useful information about the matter.

>>4547378
who else made plans to go to Jakarta in December 2010?

>>4547384

Spritework: Photoshop
Coding: Slade 3

>>4547410

Decorate's coding is mostly replacement based, so you'll want your weapon to replace something.
actor MyCoolGun : Weapon replaces Shotgun, for example.
And then it'll show up in the place of the Shotgun.

>>4547410

You add the decorate file to your wad/pk3. Try this link and look into some tutorials, it's pretty simple to do easy stuff once you get the concept

https://zdoom.org/wiki/DECORATE

>>4547425
>>4547426
Thank you a lot for the info, it's gonna be really useful!

Awesome torrent for anyone who hasn't got it yet - Retro First Person Shooter Compilation torrent. I've been seeding this forever and will continue to do so.

Here's a pastebin of the readme - https://pastebin.com/g4QZmxXG

Here's the magnet link -
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:0897a0ac226def99227d3c06f360cd9764c79f31&dn=Retro+First+Person+Shooter+Compilation&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.leechers-paradise.org%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fzer0day.ch%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fexodus.desync.com%3A6969

>>4547439

NP, let me know if you have other questions

>>4547448

Downloading, thanks.

>>4547342
>>4547334
>>4547324
>>4546131
check iboss, internal conflict, master of puppets, and some other wad where it was one person playing as the boss against everyone else as marines- cant think of the name

How do I make a map have no music.

>>4547482
Make the map use a silent one second long track?

>>4547486
Oh. I was hoping there was some way to have none whatsoever.

>>4547501
There might be a way for sure, I remember playing some silent maps in the past, and also trigger atrack after an event, like a boss battle. I'm a complete newbie in modding but that's the first possible solution that came to mind.

>>4547482

Define it in MapInfo to not have music.
Simple as that, really.

>>4547324
>>4547334
there's rga2, that cool beta hexen mod with the real time armor management & wrath of chronos

freedoom > doom

>>4547557

I'd like Freedoom a lot more if they redid the zombieman/sargent sprites.

>>4547560
Sweet jesus what in the hell

>>4547557
>>4547560
and the pinky "replacements"

>>4547560
Does it really mix angled and centered sprites?

>>4547560
hold up, what's going on there? That shotgun was only used for version 0.4 through 0.5, they got a new sprite at 0.6, and that map posted didn't show up until 0.7 or 0.8.

What in the fuck is this image, I feel like someone made it specifically to fuck with me since I'm literally the only guy in the universe who's a freedoom enthusiast

>>4546425

make the frogs red

>>4547564
okay fucker do you wanna take this outside
those weird serpent things are beautiful

>>4546526

I'm 31 and what is this

>>4546878

carpincho

>>4547213

>KDIZD

I don't understand the hate boner for KDIZD, beyond that the layouts have nothing to do with the originals

>>4547565
it used to be, many years ago when the weapon sprites were a mix of donated castoffs from unfinished and failed TCs. beggars can't be choosers, as they say.

>>4547560
But they did?

>>4547587
Me personally, I hate it because it took something that focused on gameplay and replaced it with detail and tedium. Doom's selling point in graphics was not how astonishingly realistic (at least for sci-fi standards) the rooms and maps were, it's selling point was that they were pseudo-3D rooms with lots of secrets and shit to explore. Meanwhile, KDIZD feels more like a more retarded Quake 2 with somehow even more tech-demoey sections.

Then you have stupid shit like the super shotgun, grenade launcher, and so on that don't fit in a E1 replacement (let alone Doom 1) since you never really needed them in the original game. They tried to combine aspects of Quake 2 and 4, Doom 2, and Doom 3 with Doom 1 and given that these are all fundamentally different games from Doom 1 -- yes, even Doom 2 -- it comes off as this fucking weird kind of blob of game design to me.

If you haven't played it for yourself, give it a go. It was pretty amazing at the time to even see that level of detail, it blew my mind as a 15 year old, but looking back on it now I don't find it terribly impressive. There's better projects out there, like DoomOne, despite a few questionable inclusions of custom levels.

>>4547587
I don't either, but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck.

>>4547598

I could not finish the first map because I had a problem with the keys and I was playing it with project brutality so I threw the towel

>>4546423

is that lamp made by you?

>>4547324
>>4547334
I loved Destination Unknown by stewboy (mapset). Doesn't need a gameplay mod, already has some interesting twists. Played it coop in ZDaemon years ago and it was really fun.

out of curiosity, there's any W40k mods or skins?

>>4547105
>The only actual game FPS (not mods) where you can dualweild anything that I remember
Guess you either forgot or didn't know about Blood's akimbo powerup.

>>4547105

goldeneye/perfect dark

there is even a bug that allows you to combine weapons

>>4547574
they're worms & no they're not

>>4547651
any modder that has tried shat their pants worrying about a cnd. but there is a DoW viocepack

>>4547279

was the code of this filter released to public?

>>4547105
>>4547678
Since Free Radical technically got mentioned, Timesplitters, too

>>4547196
THE GUN IS GOOD

>>4547694
The penis is evil.

>>4547564
>>4547683
They're probably the best of the bunch, but that's a pretty weak competition.

didn't know there were korean doom mappers.

https://twitter.com/antares031/status/955790213892079616

how do I accept that I lack the creative talent to make fucking anything and so my magnum opus will never be created and nobody else will thereby

>>4547705
lie to yourself pretending otherwise and keep going.

>>4547704
>tfw always thought his avatar was a goomy

>>4547705
Not everyone is Toby Fox. I don't get why you would want to make a great work just for a sake of making a great work. You should make whatever you feel like and if it happens to become really popular, well, whatever.

>>4547704
Isn't NOVA for new mappers?

>>4547716
>some people in the nova 3 project started their maps nearly 3 years ago and haven't reported progress since
wew

>>4547704

There's Doom all around the world.

>>4547705

See >>4547707 and make it anyway.

>>4547715
>Not everyone is Toby Fox
Thankfully.

>>4546367
>>4546371

I've been working on brightening up the colors I use for the lighting as its really hard to see things in some maps, I'm hoping to reach a look similar to that mockup

what demon would be the best at playing doom and which one would be the worst?

Any way to make a ceiling-carry-things-scroller conveyor in ZDoom/UDMF? I've tried before, but it didn't work properly. (floor scrolled and ceiling didn't carry hanging corpses)

>>4547705
You stop shitposting in the thread Tristan.

>>4547715
I want to make it because I'd be able to say that I made it, and it'd also be good fun for me, it corresponds with some of my other interests and (I believe) nobody has made it before

>>4547752
who the fuck is Tristan and why do I keep seeing this name being posted?

>>4547752
my name's not tristan and I don't know who that is

got it a bit brighter

>>4547762
If you told me Midway made those I would believe it

>>4547769
midway made those

I keep using the rocket launcher to try and quickly kill pain elementals only for them to shoot a lost soul at me and make me hit myself with my own rocket. I just have no clue how to efficiently take them out without wasting plasma ammo on something with so little health.

>>4547785
Run up and chainsaw him.

>>4547785
Elementals are pretty sensitive to pain. Whip out any weapon that starts with "chain-" and stunlock them to death. Same can be said for all flying monsters. Hell has a pretty shitty air force.

>>4547785
Go Tyson on him, or just get close and shoot it with the SSG. If you get very close, they can't spawn lost souls at all.

>>4547794
>If you get very close, they can't spawn lost souls at all
Shit, I'll have to try that next time I get a run where I don't reset immediately.
I fucking hate TNT MAP20 so much. Why do people feel the need to make maps that last longer than 20 minutes? I feel I'm going to off myself if I don't beat it soon, I've gotten to the point of resetting upon taking any damage just so I don't get too damaged for the later part of the stage.

>>4547820
Have you never watched the pro monster strats video?

which of these burgers look best? Are they took big for doom's aesthetics?

>>4547829
None of them is stylized enough for Doom.

>>4547705

Take a shitload of Adderall.

>>4547823
No, I try not to spoil myself with walkthroughs unless I'm really in a bind. I only asked about the pain elemental part because of this fucking map and me knocking out chunks of my health trying to take out an enemy that appears less than one-third into it.

>>4547837
Watch doom pro monster strats.

>>4547832

Are they too bright?

>>4547841
I feel I'd be missing out on the genuine experience if I did that. They didn't have video guides for DOOM in 1996, it would give me an unfair advantage. I consider asking people directly about things in a game to be fair game because obviously you could ask your friends back then, but I feel I might as well use saves mid-map if I'm going to start looking at walkthroughs.

>hell revealed map32
it wasn't a good idea at all to load this with smooth doom oh my god

>>4547704
damn

>>4547771

>>4547752
not even my posts.

>mfw I realize Mt. Erbus takes place in the pit of a volcano
Holy shit I must be a special kind of stupid.

>>4547673
in Blood you can only dw the ones of the same type, not dw 2 guns of different types, which is what I meant by "dw anything"

I want to play something bright, fast and colorful. Basically the anti-Quake. Any suggestions?

Oh fug I found a remake of that doom flash game super Sargent Shooter made in unity

https://www.crazygames.com/game/super-sergeant-shooter

>>4547913
Oh, Halo 2 and Halo 3, then.

>>4547885
...oh.

OH

>>4547919
Ancient Aliens, Valiant... or just change the lightning to "bright" in the options menu

>>4547938
>wow it's the same oblige map imported into unity
>wander behind spawn
>try to go back up stairs
>incapable of climbing, have to very awkwardly jump up
>two enemies spawn out of thin air in front of me
>kill them
>almost finish climbing stairs
>game blue screens for no reason
>can still shoot and make movement sounds but otherwise game is ded
>website still aggressive loading ads in the sidebars
7/10

>>4547785
Sometimes I think "just this once I can get him with the rocket launcher without killing myself". And I never can.

How do you think imps live when not killing humans? I imagine they're a mystical matriarchal Zerg species ruled over by several Super-Imp intelligences, each competing for imp hosts to bolster their collective advantage

>>4546185
How did the author of this wad die

>>4547938
well that was garbage

The UAC opened a dimensional portal to another world and mass teleported the galactic waste of thousands of human colonies

I think this is coming along nicely for baby's first .wad. Aiming to have the whole map reasonably complete by monday night.

>>4547958
Not on PC so I havent played it. Halo 1 did not have dualweild.

>>4548032
WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME?!

>>4548059
> very ANGERY chaingunner shooting at incredibly hihg speeds

a mod where chaingunners shoot faster and more accurately the more of them you kill

>>4548059
You stay in there and think about what you've done young man.

>>4548010
I didn't die though. I'm still working on it right now.

>>4547742
Lost Souls and Cacos don't have arms, so they would probably be the worst.

>>4547742
>what demon would be the best at playing doom
Archvile, dexterous fingers, doesn't suffer from tunnel vision like other demons, and mostly does speed runs to keep as many demons from dying as possible while also satisfying their aggressive alter ego.

Anyone know of a good blood/gore mod that's not as messy as Ketchup?

>>4548089
But every shot u shoot u go faster so everything just gets way to fast

>>4548209
Droplets?

SCREENSHOT SATURDAY

>>4548248
Working on the character select. I'm sure you guys can recognize what these icons represent

>>4548253
Damage, range, speed, and uuuuh, magic?

>>4548259
Yeah, melee, ranged, speed, and magic/special.

>>4548253
4 swords
1 bow and arrow
2 shoes
3 jewels

sounds about right
except we need confirmation that blaz does indeed have 3 jewels and not 2
how deep is this genital lore

>>4548253
whose the guy on the right?

>>4548253
Are the boots speed? Why do they come in that order?

>melee damage, range damage, speed, magic damage

>>4548279
Arthur from knights of the round, just a placeholder for now.

>>4548290
Boots are speed, I got a comment earlier suggesting I should put the boots on the far right, I'll be doing that shortly.

Is it true wildweasel is a virgin with rage and is extremely jealous of SgtmarkIV?

>>4547829

They look like pictures

>>4548035

Halo 2 is on PC

Admit it, this image has a lot of truth to it

>>4548360
even thought this is ironic, i was expecterm term instead
>cares about making oc's (what is this sonic)
>wants to be nice with other losers
>wants to act professional about modding, but he does it for free
and mark's would be
>steals and takes the assets he always needs
>doesn't care about coding because he's not a fucking nerd
>brave enough to say the n word and respond to /vr/ to show he's the one who's not mad
>has a patreon blin bling bitchezz
i almost hurt myself

>>4548389
>>steals and takes the assets he always needs
Prove it.

>>4548391
wasn't it this?

>>4547919
The golden souls is like Super Mario 64 but with doom weapons and enemies.

>>4547919
Mayhem 17 is a in development wad themed around Mario

>>4548391
Its common knowledge he steals shit all the time.

>>4547919
play quake and turn your brightness up

>>4547967
>ads
lol ie

>>4546080
The fuck? Is that a Doom64 skeltal?

>>4548459
from DrPySpy yes

>>4548248
dodgeball

>>4548253
Placeholder as fuck. I'll hopefully be getting an artbro to make me some nice portraits for these guys soon.

Should I add an extra window on the right of the character portraits showing their weapons/subweapons? Or do you think the stats and picture are enough?

Does anyone here map for vanilla DOOM1/DOOM2? i.e, with the "Doom" format?

Not necessarily so it would run on the original .exe's - perhaps so you know it'll work with every port, or just because you enjoy the limitations of the old format, etc.

[MAPPER'S BLOCK INTENSIFIES]

>>4548530
Quick, put a hallway that goes to the right that leads to a room with a fountain, and then put three imps and a pinky demon in there

>>4548530
Consider a real life space and what you appreciate about it.

>>4548538
so make a room just fuckin PACKED with pizza

>>4547919
wait so quake isnt fast to you?
fucking nerd

>>4548248
Things are getting spooky.

>>4548538
>>4548546
A room packed with pizza would be pretty perfect. Limited by the default DOOM2 resources I guess a room packed with blue potions

>>4548534
Thanks a lot, I'm working on a light gradients ATM but this looks pretty bad I think. I think where I'm going wrong cutting off the strong light too short - like, it shouldn't fade away by distance, but instead by angle away from the light source. So ideally I'd have beams that didn't reduce their luminosity as they hit the far wall, but instead became fainter as the angle was widened. Going to try it.

>>4548568
also hmmmm foliage.

>>4548517
I have done few maps, but the limitations feel aggravating.

>>4548572
>Limited by the default DOOM2 resources I guess a room packed with blue potions
Just replace the potion frames with multiples of a pizza box, either draw one or take the sprites from like Symphony Of The Night or something.
Then maybe add small GLDefs lump with the appropriate lines so that they don't emit any dynamic lights for people on GZDoom.

>>4548579
>Just replace the potion frames

You lost me there. I really need to learn all this actual "modding" stuff. I don't even know how to put in my own music, make my own textures, do any scripting, etc.

>>4548603
Doom modding is super-easy. For replacing the potion, what'd you'd have to do is:
1. Get Slade 3
2. Open up YOUR wad
3. Add the pizza sprites
4. Rename them as "BON1"-sprites. However, there are about 4 frames of animation for potions, so you'd rename them "BON1A0", "BON1B0", "BON1C0" and "BON1D0". The A,B,C,D... stand for the frame of animation, and the last number is rotation. 0 means it is always facing to player.
5. Convert them to Doom graphic format.
6. The new frames override the base DOOM ones when your wad is loaded.

>>4547742
>>4548148
Would you be able to Archvile-jump yourself? That would be cool

>>4548215
Basically Steamed Hams YTP for Doom

>>4548391
Literally all of the weapon shit in v18 is vased on Mike, Eriance, WildWeasel and DoomNukem code/sprites with supplementary assets from allover the place with no credits given, even though people were demanding it for quite some time. He was confronted about it, gave a mention to few (very few) people, then began frankenspriting shit together to get away from direct copypaste of assets, and abandoned crediting, thinking that using a sprite for frankenspriting is technically not "use" and does not require creidt - in fact, you can still see remnants of some of DoomNukem's work even in V21 (like shotgun), but covered under a thick layer of paint and bs.
Recently, he "generously" gave creidt on a screen that does not ever show up due to a convenient bug, and even then all the people that actively denied him pemission to use their work are listed there as "contributors", implying that they gave him explicit permission to use their assets (which they didn't)

>>4548639
>tfw latest GZDoom does not support latest BD

>>4548514
It'd get a bit cramped, but if you already have the sprites and they are small enough, might as well try. Not many games tell you that much and so it'd be fine without it in any case.

>>4548517
yes, if i do a map i want it to work on the engines that i actually use. doom2 with rendering limits removed is almost good enough for anything i'd want to do (plus sometimes some of the more basic boom features, nothing too exotic though). zdoom/udmf additions i don't think add anything to the game and just make it more complicated for no gain and restriction to engines i don't like using.

>>4548648
If I add a second window, it wouldn't be much wider than the portrait window there, and I'd probably scoot it and the list of character names to the left a little.

>>4548059
He hates smudgy filters and non-vertical verticals.

>>4547885
>and starring John Cena as Duke Nukem

>>4548619
>Doom modding is super-easy
Hence why we've had two decades of good mods.

>>4548639
>That font
I'm surprised BD hasn't had its own dedicated source port yet

>>4548703
There are no good coders that would be willing to work on anything BD related. Too much brazillian spaghetti.

>>4548389
>>4548397
>>4548639

Hello weasel, didn't know you browsed /vr/

>>4548734
pretty sure ww does not even browse 4chan
he has his own playground

>>4548734
>>4548737
why do people hate Weasal?
i don't know much about him besides the NAZIS! mod

I can't unread BD as Brazilian Dicks

>>4548743
looks like a couple of butthurt shitters

>>4548746
Why can't you stop thinking about dicks?

>>4548743
IDK why would anyone hate him. Maybe he was a dick to someone on ZDoom forums, but IDK - I only browse projects and resources subforums and never anything else, so I may be missing out on all the drama. He is not as active as a modder as he used to be, but back in the days he made a lot of good mods and was (and still is) quite proficient with the code side of GZDoom

>>4548750
I can't avoid helping me a good vuvuzela

hm.
this looks like a bit of a shitshow.

>>4548783
at least you can telefrag the cyber towers

update: i don't think these guys are getting anywhere any time soon

>>4548797
>>4548783
cool map. what wad?

>>4548248
not working on it anymore but here it is again

>>4547384

Does no one use Aseprite for Doom work, especially if you have Photoshop as an option?

>>4548579
You're so god damned stupid, anon. The potions would obviously be pizza slices.

Psst, hey. Quake 2 is retro now.

>>4548845
It always was because its pre 2000.

>>4548847
Oh, right. I've just always assumed retro in terms of Vidya meant >=20 years old

>>4548821
slaughterfest 2012, map30

I have no fucking clue how you're supposed to survive it; even if I manage to get half the chaingunners killed by pure infighting, the other half won't get hit by any stray shots, and the moment I fire a stray shot, I'm dead

>>4548248

>>4548849
you could be pedantic and say that it's not technically retro since it was released in late december of 1997 so it's not quite 21 years old yet

>>4548850
i think you teleport up and run around the edge plasmaing chaingunners out of the way. i don't know, i watched somebody on twtich do it and he made it look easy.

>>4548868
... that works. that is the absolute last thing I'd do in that situation, but it actually works.
fuck me that's stupid.

>>4548248
A lot of REKKR maps wouldn't fair well in DM, so for many maps I'm re-piecing the single player areas into new layouts, or just flat mapping out a new DM arena, separate from the single player maps... Which is what I'm doing atm.

>>4548248

Bigfont and smallfont in, taken from Mega Man X.
M_DOOM is, of course, placeholder.

>>4548643
can't wait for the three year wait before releasing an update that lets it work again

>>4549014
>M_DOOM is, of course, placeholder.
damn

>>4549014
That font is bad
and you should feel bad

>>4549006

I'm told that you want to avoid being symmetrical for DM maps.
It's cute, though.

>>4549019
:(

>>4548849
I think once we reach the year 2020, it's fair to say that any game that's at least 20 years old would be eligible for this board.

But that's just my opinion.

>>4549014
>>4549019
>>4549027
It's just that irregular line width and bumps on the letters make the font harder to read. In MMX these letters are fuckhuge, but in Doom menu they appear much smaller and kindof blend together too much since "bumpines" reduces recognisability somewhat.

>>4549027
>I'm told that you want to avoid being symmetrical for DM maps.
Well this one's already done. But most of them are very asymmetrical.

How does "W1 floor start moving up and down" work? What's the logic behind it?

Why dont we have a discord server? Im tired of hanging out in IcarusLives channel and the dead /r/Doom.

How to nerf zdoom marines in DOOMRPG+ DOOMRL A?

>>4549078
we don't need one

>>4549078
We have a general

>>4549035

Are they fuckhuge? I didn't change the size, they should be the same as they are in MMX.
Well, I'll see if I can streamline the bumps and make them more uniform.

>>4548248
i'm kinda green at this doom modding stuff but i'm plugging away at a mod where you watch teams of monsters even though they're all humanoids except for the dog kill each other forever because they keep being spawned in

inspired by hate arena, "battle simulators" like totally accurate battle simulator, and skulltag's CREDITS map

>>4549078
If you want one so bad then make one.

>>4549006
>The entire map is a revenant
NOW THAT'S AGITATION!

https://a.pomf.cat/fcavto.wad
It's about two minutes long. I'd appreciate any critique so I can go into my next map with a better understanding.

>>4549140
Meant to include this screenie.

>>4549118
Maybe I will

Lads, I fucked up somewhere in doomrl or doomrpg. Most human spawns are corrupted marines with the default weapons for each class

>>4548248
I like outdoor areas.

>>4549212

what texture packs do you use to make outdoors?

>>4549140
>>4549149
There were a couple of spots with awkward textures, and I'm not too big a fan of that door in the beginning with no indication of it being a key door. That doesn't really matter all that much, though.
Also, I didn't really have enough ammo for the Arch-Vile at the end, but also didn't have a reason to fight it. There are so few enemies in the main room that it didn't do anything.

Is it possible to export a doom automap?
If yes, how?

>>4549247
Update.
Didn't think of looking it up on reddit. There I saw that you can export a map to image file in SLADE.

>>4548248
I decided to put the exit for my first map in something inspired by the Star Trek shuttles.

>>4549235
Thank you. It's definitely possible to leave with a couple shells and rockets but I intentionally made ammo tight. A few more small pickups scattered about is probably a good idea.

>>4549278
reminds me a bit of UAC_Dead

>>4549287
I got the idea from Mars War. The author is the same guy behind internet explorer is evil.

>>4546692
I am that anon. I just got back from a trip. I am on this right now.

>>4549285
Even then, there really isn't too much a reason to fight the Arch-Vile.

>>4548248

Bloodborne HUD now in ZScript flavour

>>4549301
>>4546692
>>4546765
Sorry for the holdup, real life madness had occurred.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/iiuifucxdxa97q5/house_of_shadows.wad

>>4549212
> stalkera grenade launcher
hell yeah

>>4549312
The mech mod was xa necro

>>4549312
I started it before fully reading the last thread post and GOOD GOD 2077 MONSTERS

>>4549368
Haha. Yes. I haven't beaten it yet. I've mostly hold down the church.

>>4549217
Its a mix of Redneck Rampage (yes, really), Shadow Warrior and some Powerslave stuff.
There's some Duke and AVP as well.

>>4549368
it's 2000 imps and troopers + a few lost souls, and you get a single shotgun. it's very very slow to play. more a test of endurance than anything. i just died with 189 kills after getting impatient and trying to push ahead.

>>4549508
I've been using mods to fuck with it. For example, H-Doom and the mech mod I talked about earlier.

>>4547587
>>4547601
Largely it was the drama at the time of development and release. Old grudges die hard. Also that fucking dildo.

>>4549515
>Also that fucking dildo.
what dildo?

>accidentally associated .wad files with skulltag, now the skulltag icon is on all of them
This bugs me more than it should.

>>4549140
-bad floor texture/flat alignment
-unmarked key door
-didnt have enough ammo left at the caco/elemental fight and couldnt avoid them

>>4549108
Flame Mammoth was such a lame fire boss.

>>4549519

>what dildo?

>>4548840
I use aseprite for animations and GIMP

>>4549508
you do get a chainsaw/chaingun/rocket launcher later, although I can't say it's worth even getting that far
it also gives you cells without ever giving you a gun that uses them

retard newfag noob faggot here
there's meant to be a secret behind the wall in pic related but the texture appears to have seeped through into the room I'm in, how do I get rid of this

>>4549592
Are you planning on playing ZDaemon?

>>4549601
gzdoom

>>4549573
I got to like 700 kills before getting fed up. I might 1337hax myself a BFG and godmode just to finish the map.

>>4549603
he's making fun of your gamma setting
that error could be a line the wrong way round, or a missing texture on the wall, or just a misclicked flat assignment, i don't know

>>4549519
there's a running joke on ZDF where you stuff a dildo somewhere into the files

>>4549592
Either you have to click the lines in question and press f, or you have to adjust the texture heights.

>>4546057
Netronian Chaos updated to V3

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=57964&start=210#p1036981

>>4549638
oh. very amusing.

>>4549625

>>4549659
If I finish it I'll post the final area

>>4549625
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/graphics/anniweap

>>4549665
sweet will be looking for it.

>>4549659
>>4549671
Alright, with all this support I feel like I have to finish my expedition. I won't let my anons down.

One question though, how do I get that annihilator weapon? Just include whatever file it is with ZDL and summon it?

>>4549679
No idea I was just fucking with it but lost interest when the oblige wad didn't load up first level. So I'm searching for more cool wads to fuck with the level with.

>>4549679
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/graphics/re4trw

Weeb shit in my doom? Yes please