/vr/ - Retro Games

Get a CRT

>>4545721
I do, anon.
Still looking into scalers/line-multiplier.
And no, my wife doesn't make me ditch my CRT so I would play with her son on our HDTV.

>>4545735
Stick with that its still gonna have less lag / look better than th hdtv

>>4545721
This.

>>4545735
i have a trinitron.

>>4545749
>its still gonna have less lag
With an OSSC you can get it down to 8ms or so which isn't going to impact you at all.
>look better than th hdtv
This is complete bullshit and the "composite on a consumer TV looks better than/just as good as a PVM or upscaler" meme needs to die.

>>4546341
Yeah CRT pushers are crazy and or blind.

I have the XRGB Mini and the OSSC. I would recommend the OSSC. It has less inout lag, handles component sources far better than the XRGB, VGA for the dreamcast, and you can play games in 480i without any extra lag from deinterlacing and more.

I also have a CRT and consider that the best way to play retro games, but let's face it they are not going to be around forever. So yeah I think the OSSC is pretty good alternative.

>>4546341
>With an OSSC you can get it down to 8ms or so which isn't going to impact you at all.

My plasma already has 1 frame lag only, and OSSC makes virtua fighter 2 look like total ass.

>>4546341
Composite on a CRT will most certainly look better than nothing, since that's what the OSSC is capable of with composite. That is to say it doesn't support the most ubiquitous and common retro gaming video output, and that's a pretty pathetic omission for something that's supposed to be a framemeister alternative.

>>4546452
Okay, but why willingly use composite when there are better options available? It's not like RGB is difficult to use on most systems.

>>4546457
There are no better options for the Famicom / NES. It doesn't support RGB, and was not designed to. Modding them by sticking an FPGA inside so you can use FireBrandX™ palettes is inauthentic at best and a meme at worst. I just don't see the reason in omitting the sole video output of one of the most popular retro consoles of all time in a supposedly 'retro-oriented' scaling device, it just doesn't make sense to me. Believe me, I would love to have one, but no composite is an absolute dealbreaker.

>>4545719
Both. Yes, I'd recommend them if you want to output old game consoles to HDMI, they each have things they do well.

>>4546432
>I also have a CRT and consider that the best way to play retro games
Why? Ever since I got a Framemeister I can't imagine going back to shitty consumer CRTs. I genuinely don't understand the reasoning when the picture quality of anything short of a PVM is going to be so poor in comparison. I can somewhat understand the input lag complaints, but anyone that genuinely believes a frame or less of lag is somehow gamebreaking is a fucking idiot.

>>4546484
As I said I own all three. I don't see anything wrong with people using the XRGB Mini or the OSSC. There a great way to play retro games. Even though in my experience I think the OSSC is better in a lot of ways. The reasons I think CRT's are better is because you can play Light gun games and you get no input lag.

The lag you get from the XRGB Mini and especially the OSSC is not any way gamebreaking as you say, I agree with you, I just think having no lag is better than having lag. This maybe subjective on my part but the CRT is the best for the authentic experience. Finally as for picture quality, I've never owned a PVM or a BVM so I can't comment on that, but when it comes to picture quality from a CRT or the XRGB Mini, OSSC on a LCD I could go either way.

>>4545719
I have a framemeister and I'ts amazin, and I'm not up to date on how's OSSC doing but I'd get a good CRT first, and then, if you really, really want to get rid of it, get the framemeister/OSSC.

Bang/buck the CRT, even an expensive one, is going to beat any upscaler.

>>4546472
>oh i'm so poor
>own several high priced gaming peripherals and boxed games

You're not poor.

I don't own either, as I've got a PVM, but I will probably buy one if/when my PVM dies on me. If I had to pick one right now, it would be the OSSC.

It's cheaper, has less input lag, and supports a wider variety of inputs out of the box.

>>4545719


OSSC is great if your display tolerates it. Otherwise the XRGB Mini is fine but it has more lag (like a frame and a half I think). I've had my OSSC for a few months now and I love it personally

HDMI output can be really off spec a lot of the time though so you might want to see if your TV is listed in the compatibility thread anywhere https://www.videogameperfection.com/forums/topic/tv-compatibility/

>>4546584
I'm not homeless, but I'm always teetering on the edge of being homeless. It did take me over a year of saving, a lot of Bing points, and a tax return to get a Framemeister. I could have taken all that effort and bought a modern console like the Wii-U I have been wanting, but then I'd have to start saving for a whole new library of games so instead I opted to save up in order to play the old games I kept.


>>4546626
I wish I had a PVM or BVM, those are unicorns in my area. Does the OSSC support a wider variety of inputs? I think the Framemeister supports more inputs since it has composite, S-video, D-terminal (Japanese component), RGB, and HDMI. The OSSC has SCART RGB (I do not know if it supports SCART composite and SCART S-video), component, and VGA. I know one of the additional inputs the OSSC can take is RGsB via component which the Framemeister cannot.

>>4546703
I simply can't believe it anymore. If you were teetering on the edge of homelessness you'd be literally out of your mind to keep investing in retro gaming accessories instead of selling it all and taking some time off to find more gainful employment. Nothing adds up, it makes no sense.

>>4546721
Not him but it's just priorities. Some people think I'm insane for living on a very limited income, but to me time is worth a lot more than money. I'm happy not owning a car if it means I'm strolling through the woods looking at flowers with my dog while most of the rest of the world is in their cars rushing to work for a corporation somewhere.

I play most old shit on a PSP these days, but maybe he really, really likes those upscaled games?

>>4546721
>>4546750
Admittedly, I live in an area where rent is stupidly high, at over $1k a month, which takes 2 bi-weekly paychecks to cover. I lack the skills, dexterity, and intelligence to attain a skilled profession so my options are limited. At the time I decided to get the right composite to HDMI device (OSSC was not available at the time), instead of mess around with those other devices. Believe me, I am kinda upset they released the Super Retro Trio with HDMI out now, but at least the controllers I have that were included are Genesis controllers instead of SNES controllers. It is too great a distance for me to walk to work, so I envy your youthful energy.

>>4546780
>. I lack the skills, dexterity, and intelligence to attain a skilled profession so my options are limited.

What do you care most about in this world?

>>4546780
Ohh and I didn't mean I walk to work. Though I work from home so that's technically the case. Also I turn 44 next week so the energy might be youthful but it's one of the only things!

>>4545719
There's also those HD Retrovision cables which does pretty good for those without a CRT.


>>4546787
That is a challenging question which requires deep thought that I am not capable of performing. I guess I care about peace and harmony.


>>4546804
Very cool. My work robs me of my energy.

>>4546703
Nah you're totally right, I was wrong about the types of inputs. I had forgotten that the OSSC doesn't support S-video and composite natively.

Having YPbPr component and VGA inputs just makes it seem more useful to me, I guess.

>>4545735
>my wife
>her son

>>4546780
>Not being able to afford The Super Retro Boy Advance
I could buy it today. Sucks to be you.

>>4546469
OP here and this anon makes a good point.
>Believe me, I would love to have one, but no >composite is an absolute dealbreaker.

I own RGB cables for Wii and Gamecube (seems weird but Gameboy Player too good.)
There's just no way I'm paying so much money to get my N64 RGB or HDMI modded. And RGB cables aren't really cheap either.

>>4547554
Does having a high-end upscaler even make that much of a difference with composite when compared to the cheapest chinese composite-to-hdmi converter?

>>4547610
In terms of latency, yes. Those Chinese converters usually don't recognize 240p, either.

>>4545719
I bought a Framemeister back when the OSSC was vaporware. It does its job very well and I'm quite happy with it, but I do have a few complaints, mainly the ADC noise and the resolution switching delay. I think if I were to do it again, I'd get an OSSC and try to find a transcoder for composite/S-Video sources. In fact I'm considering buying an OSSC anyway and just keeping the Framemeister around for specific games/consoles.

Having said that, I think the majority of people would be better served by the Framemeister, especially if you're not comfortable modding your own consoles. Even if you are, stuff like the C64 has no RGB mod for example, and CGA PC games sometimes look a lot nicer with composite artifact colors. And though I don't personally play a lot of 480i games, the Framemeister's deinterlacing is vastly superior, so that's another factor to keep in mind.

>>4545719
>Would you recommend either?
Lord no. Your wife will probably talk you into buying one for her son though.
>>4546341
>8ms or so which isn't going to impact you at all.
That's on top of the lag from your console, your display and your controller which is no doubt wireless.
>>4546484
Anyone who spends literally hundreds of US dollars on a box that ads scanlines when you can get better customisable results from emulators for free is a fucking idiot.

OSSC adds less than 1 frame of lag. The main lag that one will notice is dependent on your display. If you have a TV with an incredibly good game mode and low latency, it's close (not 1:1) to a CRT.

Playing on a VGA monitor or CRT proper is going to be the best route, but the OSSC is fantastic. Same with the Meister.

>>4547882
don't measure lag in frames, measure in ms

>>4547898
don't measure dick in inches, measure in pounds

>>4547898
The OSSC works on individual scanlines rather than a frame at a time, that means there’s no input lag whatsoever (well, a few nanoseconds if you really want to be precise).

>>4547773
>resolution switching delay
ossc has that, too