/vr/ - Retro Games

Yes

It would be amazing if we could have regular retro VN shitpost threads

God damn, why aren't you learning Japanese?

>>4540906
あなたは遅れています

>>4540926
「遅いぞ」とかでよかろう

>>4540898
You forgot to turn of the interpolation when scaling the pic

>>4540898
*off

>>4540906

Because reading VNs is all it would be used for?

>>4540693
So many fucking stupid weeaboo fagoots ITT. If you want to learn Japanese then do it fucking properly.

>>4540906
cuz I don't have a qt nip gf to practice with :(

>>4541165
>reading vn
>playing jp-only games
>watching anime w/o subs
>shitposting on futaba
>finding true love and happiness

>>4541281
It's gonna take decades of constant practice until you reach that level...

Wow this thread lasted this long here. It does within 10 mins when you posted the exact same one on /v

>>4540906
I'd be down for a /vr/ japanese study discord or somthing, /jp/ and /a/ are shitty. I've been studying casually between classes and am enjoying it.

>>4541354
You're out of the loop bro, DJT doesn't belong on /a/ anymore, it got moved to /int/

>>4541354
That's a shitty idea, something like a game recommendation thread for Japanese learners would be better.

>>4541354
Hell, just listing which retro games have kanji, furigana or kana only would already help.

>>4541291
>It's gonna take decades
You can do all that after a few years of study, except for finding true love and happiness which everyone knows is impossible

>>4541439
I'm done with core6k and still can't read shit. Maybe someday.

>>4540905
Hey there sugar tits

>>4541174
No reason to call yourself stupid anon

>>4540693
さすがにスタイルのいい娘が多いわね!

>>4541441
That's because you should be reading shit with a dictionary, not wasting your time with Anki.

>>4541785
Oh that's neat I never thought of th- FUCK OFF of course i'm doing that already.

>>4541441
hey dude, just stick with it. Trust me, it gets a lot easier. The important thing is to practice the language with shit that you're actually interested in and it'll all come naturally

>>4541841
How long have you been studying? Can you write something in Japanese so I can judge you?

>>4541842
maybe like a year or two, i can pretty much read most of the games I want to at this point so I'm satisfied for the most part. writing and speaking Japanese is a whole different story though, haven't really done a lot of practice in that area

>>4540693

>>4542118
top is so much better. japan sucks at art now.
>>4542308
nice shading

>>4542308
I miss those lush, long hairs, especially tied in a ponytail.

>>4542768

>>4542774

>>4541785
Anki is not a waste of time unless you're doing nothing but Anki. It's the best way to build vocab quickly, but obviously a language is more than just vocab.

>>4542308
>レズ command

>>4540693

>>4543842

>>4543853

>>4543858

>>4542797

>>4541441
What are you trying to read?
Can you read this?

>>4544103
Not him, but I can read it. I'd say it's easy Japanese, but admittedly I've been studying it for years.

I guess the hardest vocabulary is 先導 and the hardest grammar there is 驚かせる. Beyond that it's a string of sentences with verbs in basic forms with nothing to really trip you up. Some might even say 使役 is a basic form too.

How the fuck do you learn Japanese?
I am incapable of learning from a computer screen and hate Anki.

>>4544309
Slowly but securely. /jp/'s /djt/ has a nice startup guide. You should probably start with learning the kana (hiragana and katakana) and reading through a grammar guide (like Tae Kim's). You don't need to memorize it all, just read through the guide once and try to understand everything.

Anki does help though. You'll build vocab more quickly than if you just do reading, but it's certainly not required. The single best way to learn is to read lots.

The alternative to computers is buying actual books to learn. You can buy some easy manga with furigana, like Yotsubato.

The difference with learning a Western language is that both the alphabet and the grammar are extremely different from what you're used to, so you need to first accept that the first steps will be very slow and that you won't be able to properly read the things you want to read for a few months. I've been studying for about half a year and I can now finally play kids' games without too much problems, although if I want to fully understand everything I still have to look up words every two sentences or so. Maybe in another half year I can read VNs effectively (although I probably could start now if I could easily look up words by clicking/highlighting them, it'd just be a slow process).

The good news is that even though Jap grammar is pretty unfamiliar to what you're used to and Japanese sentences can't always be exactly translated into English, the grammar rules are actually not *that* difficult. Also, although the alphabet will give you trouble at first, Japanese speech is very simple in that they have only a tenth of the sounds that English has, and there aren't many rules to memorize when it comes to how words are pronounced. If you know the spelling of a word in kana, you'll know how to pronounce it, which is not always the case in English ('read' in past tense and present tense are pronounced differently but spelled the same, for instance).

>>4542524

Have there been any decent recent games like these old games? I don't think I've ever played anything that was made after the 90s and pretty much all the titles I remember are ones like True Love, Season of Sakura, Three Sisters Story, X-change, Love Potion, and Do you like horny bunnies?

>>4544353
There's VA-11 Hall-A. Devs say they're inspired by PC98 games' artstyles. Check it out, you might like it.

>>4544360

Never heard of it, but it looks alright.

>>4544309
Buy a used textbook?

>>4544871
i want more of those

>>4545179
More of what?

>>4546394
I don't even think I'm being biased, I think the old left picture is just straight up superior to the remake art. More expressive face (eyes are more detailed, teeth and bottom lip are detailed in the original but not the remake), wider range of colors (compare old bathtub water vs new, also the pink jacket stands out more against the background than the new brown one), greater use of white highlights in the original gives a bigger "punch" to the overall image than merely using shadows alone (compare shoulder, neck muscles, and hair in old vs new).

I think there's just been a trend over time to make video game art across many platforms and genres more "clean" and homogenized, and it's really unfortunate.

>>4546495
Isn't the whole idea of the right art style to make the face really simplified for easier animation/faster manga drawing process?
Personally I'm not a big fan of the old turbo huge anime eyes, but I've always liked everything else.

>>4546548
>Isn't the whole idea of the right art style to make the face really simplified for easier animation/faster manga drawing process?
Well, yeah. As with most things, taking the easy way tends to produce worse results than doing things the harder way. But if you just happen to like the right more than the left then that's fine.

>>4543858
This old running gag where a chain of misunderstandings always makes Mihoshi end up molesting Ryoko until she cums.

>>4542118
>original is untranslated
For fuck's sake.

>>4546495
The really sad thing is that in the future everything will look like smartphone games, with samey colourful interfaces and cartoonish caricature characters or space marines and zombies.

>>4544871
>>4545763
>>4546394
OFFICIAL YU-NO GIRL POWER RANKINGS

>ASCENDED TIER
Geo Technics Guard

>MOMMY TIER
Ayumi

>TOP TIER
Eriko
Yu-No
Mitsuki

>GREAT TIER
Sayless
Kaori

>MEH TIER
Amanda
Sala
Kanna

>UNKO TIER
Mio

>>4544871
>>4545763
>>4546394
>>4546495
>>4546548
>>4546560
>>4546912

>>4547234
Holy hell, what did they do to Yuuki?

>>4546661
>still EOP'd

>>4547234
Only one that looks better in the remake is Kaori.

An embarrassed Eriko is a CUTE Eriko!

>>4547372
No she doesn't. She looks way too nice and sweet in the remake.

>>4544309
>I hate Anki
I have bad news for you

>>4541785
t. 躾のない怠け者

>>4544103
Also not him, but that's easy enough to read with my ~6750 word vocabulary.

>>4544309
Well you'd best become capable of learning from a computer screen and learn to love Anki because those are your best options.

>>4548976
How do you test that? I did a test online and got 22300 but I don't find that too trustworthy.

Or do you use Anki and so know precisely?

>>4548980
Anki. That's quite a vocabulary, how did you come to acquire that many words?

>>4548985
Studying a lot. Reading porn games and such. Never used Anki. Perhaps should have, but no point now. And realistically I don't think I know that many.

>>4548989
How long did that take you? I've been at it about 14 months, passed the N2 in December 2017.

>>4548995
~5 years.

>>4548995
Actually it's probably been 15 or 16 months by now, but anyway.

>>4548997
Well, congratulations on making it Anon, thanks for answering my questions.

>>4549002
That's good progress.

For all intents and purposes I consider myself done with the base part of learning Japanese. Now I focus on retention, specialized vocabulary and active use. You can never train speaking and writing enough.

Also considering learning French.

>>4542308
it's kind of hard to deal with her fingers having so many extra joints

>>4547234
This "remake" is the visual equivalent of the new Ghostbusters movie. Hope to fuck they're getting shat on by native fans of the series, and that it'll usher in a domino effect that kills this cheep, safe, no talent moeblob artstyle that has been making everything worse in Japan for too long.

>>4550324
Not only was the remake shit, had less content compared to Saturn version, buggy at release but also made a patch for the game that added ??? route which was just an advertising for a new shitty remake they are going to release.

>>4548967
あのさ「のない」と「がない」の違い何っすか
僕まだ初心者

>>4551207
In a subordinate clause (i.e. a phrase ending in a verb that's modifying a noun), が can become の

生徒のない学校 = a school with no students

I think が and の are basically interchangeable in this case, maybe someone else can explain what the difference in nuance might be.

>>4551207
The two are the same. Don’t mind.

>>4546495
>the pink jacket stands out more against the background than the new brown one

They might have changed it because it's a "serious scene" and it required "serious clothing".
But wearing a bright pink jacket is part of her damn character. Acting cutesy and way younger than she is is specifically something she did.

>>4552028
I think they made her jacket permanently brown, not just because of that scene. Good point about how dressing cutesy was something she wanted to do intentionally though.

>>4552061
I scrolled down and noticed her entire redesign. It still makes no sense considering the perspective I mentioned. She uses a PONY TAIL. A grown ass business woman!

>>4547234
Wow that looks fucking terrible. The best part about that game was the artwork. I really cannot take these "remakes" of these old classic game with this shitty modern style...

>pc98 thread
>devolves into youcan'tlearnjapanese.jpg
This is why the threads died

>>4552282
It will get better once everybody has learned Japanese and taps into the endless well of games.

>>4541281
>shitposting on futaba
I fucking wish, all gaijin IP and VPN are banned.

>>4551217
>I think が and の are basically interchangeable in this case, maybe someone else can explain what the difference in nuance might be.

In modern Japanese I wouldn't perceive a difference besides a stylistic one.

In classical Japanese が and の overlapped much more. My textbook mentions several different nuances in usage.

>>4552282
Only some posts are about Japanese, most of them are about the games themselves.

>>4553113
This one's on the PC-FX, not PC-98.
If you wanted to post a PC-98 game with Chip-chan you should have posted Carat.

>>4553123
She's also in Metal Orange as the operator.

>>4553439
Her appearance in the PC-88 and PC-98 versions is different though, only the Metal Orange EX port on x68000 has her looking like she is in Carat and Chip-chan kick.
She still looks qt with her blue hair though.

>>4542524
Yes, all of Japan suck at art now because it doesn't exist in a time stasis customized just for you.

>>4550324
There is no moeblob art style. Go take your meds.

>>4544360
I can't bring myself to like VA-11 HALL-A. It has that uncanny "anime not drawn by a Japanese person" look to it.

>>4546962
>hating the objectively best girl of YU-NO
Apply yourself

>>4550890
It's actually a sequel, and they're surprisingly using the notes of the late original writer (who also wrote YU-NO) to make it

>>4546495
Otaking is that you?

>>4542797
Source please.

>>4546394
Both are a mixed bag. Right has the better looking face and hand, but left has the better expression and background. I find it weird how nuAyumi isn't on the verge of tears considering the context.

>>4555839
Look's like Masami Kurumada's style.

>>4555876
name of game?

>>4555876
did they censor her bush? Or is it dithering/seethrough panty fabric that makes it drawn weird

>>4555940
jesus nearly poked my eyes out

what are sopme good games on pc98

>>4556036
Dead of the Brain.
Digan no Maseki.
Libros de Chilam Balam.
Dragon Souseiki.
Shuten Douji.
Illusion City.
Romansu wa Tsurugi no Kagayaki.
Lesser Mern.
Kuro no Ken,
Nana Eiyuu Monogatari 1&2.
Grounseed.
Continental.

Some of the JRPG ones are near unplayably grindy without emulator speedup/frameskip options though.

>>4555767
Nope. Never heard of him. Just Googled him though, and I appreciate what he's doing.

>>4555387
I don't really like tsunderes and she's a bitch on every route except her own. Basically every other girl has more positive points about her. I will say that Mio is cute on her own route though, and her H-scene is one of the best.

Is PC98 emulation good yet?

>>4556631
No. Probably won't ever be either, because Japanese people don't give a shit about emulation and Western emulator devs are barely aware of the PC-98's existence. See also the X68000.

>>4556637
Bullshit, it's actually pretty good.

>>4541436
I kinda agree there. Unfortunately I get the impression that there aren't many retro games with furigana due to resolution restraints. Maybe some of the more modern VNs have it though.

Games with only kana are a bitch to play, too. Really make you appreciate why the Japs bother learning thousands of characters.

>>4556637
> Western emulator devs are barely aware of the PC-98

True, but there's a guy working on adding PC-98 support to the DOSBox-X fork. It's something at least.

>>4556684
DOSBox is far more inaccurate than the better PC-98 emulators

>>4555802
Star Platinum

>>4556214
She's only acting like a bitch because Takuya acts like a self-destructing fag.

>>4555894
There sure is a little influence of his, but the artist is Megumi Tsuruma aka G. GOUDA

Posting best Branmarker 2 girl.

>>4556637
>>4556631
NP2 fmgen is fairly good, and there's new emus on the scene like SL9821 that are making good progress

>>4547234
Creator of this here. Here's a minor fix.

>>4547234
Remake would have looked better with someone like Tasuku Iizuki doing the art

What's the best PC-98 version to get? Been thinking of getting into it.

>>4557390
9821 ce2 is what everyone tends to buy

>>4549469
goddamn, the top one is so adorable, hhnnnnnggg

>>4540905
>pretty receptionist in a konami game
it's like I'm playing snatcher again

>>4556758
ZA WARUDO!!!!!

>>4557954
wtf she has no ass? what kind of proportions are these?

>>4557959
Can't have it all

Why does the dithering feel so erotic?

>>4558003
Because you've built an association between the two

>>4558003
leaves more to the imagination.

>>4557898
Still setting up for some PC98, whats this from if you don't mind?

>>4558108
Amy's Fantasies.

It's available in English at asenheim.

>>4558108
Amy's Fantasies.
It's playable in English at asenheim.

>>4558117
Thank you

Okay I've never played any games in this style but it looks amazing

Can I get an essential dithering guide please?

>>4542762
Is anything interesting done with that ice cream?

>>4555195
>>4544360
VA-11-HALL-A's problem is its just a very standard anime aesthetic, with a pink/purple ish filter slapped over to give it "80s/90s cyberpunk" vibes.

>>4558293
Actually, a better question would be what's the name of the game that the girl's from? If I can find the game, maybe I'll be able to answer the ice cream question myself.

>>4557390
Overview of the different models:
http://www.pc-9800.net/db_98/db9821d_index.htm

Stick to pre-1995 models for best DOS game compatibility. In particular you should avoid the Cirrus Logic graphics chipsets. You'll want 86-compatible FM sound hardware; standalone 86 cards are expensive these days, so getting a model with it built in is easiest.

Most people will agree that the An is the ultimate PC-98. They're hard to find and often expensive, though. The pre-Ap3 A-Mate models in general (As(2)/Ap(2)/Ae/Af/An) are the most popular among enthusiasts, since they're fast, have built-in 86 sound, and full PEGC support. Their only downside is that the CD-ROM interface is proprietary and drives are rare. But you can always use an external SCSI drive if you really want one. The Ap3 has a standard IDE interface, but is missing one of the PEGC modes which is used by a couple of games. Still a good choice if you can find one for a decent price.

The Ce(2) and Cs2 are also popular, especially for foreigners because they're compact and easy to ship. They have soldered-in CPUs, though, making them a pain to upgrade since you have to find one of the rare accelerator cards. Fortunately, almost all DOS games will run quite happily on a 25MHz 486SX. Touhou might struggle occasionally at higher difficulties, though. At 33MHz it should be fine.

>>4558314
Doki Doki Vacation

>>4558117
>asenheim
thanks man. Never knew about this site. I'm having a lot of fun!

>>4558408
No problemo

Consider this if you use Stylish
https://userstyles.org/styles/132998/asenheim-dark-theme

>>4558304
It doesn't look anything like PC98. The pixels are too big.

>>4554945
Got any with Lina?

>>4540693
What games on this thing aren't moonrune fapfests and worth loading up? HARD MODE: No Rusty.

>>4559009

>>4556735
What doesn't fucking run? Sounds like you need to get good if you couldn't find the right settings. I'm legitimately curious.

>>4556637
Neko Project II Kai seems just fine to me.

You guys are fucking faggots. Get good.

>>4559130

>>4559138
Dayum.

>>4559138
Holy fuck my dick is diamonds.

>>4558338
Thank ye kindly.

>>4559294
fuzzy tits

>>4558408
I love Amy!

I wonder, were there just images for JPCs?
I mean, just images for the sake of images, not game arts?

>>4560263
You mean CG collections? Yes.
https://refuge.tokyo/pc9801/Misc_CG.html

>>4555851
i'd really like a translation of this game

>>4540906
I'm trying but don't have my hopes up.

>>4540906
Don't want to learn multiple alphabets for one language.

>>4560460
No problem then, because Japanese doesn't use any alphabets.

>tfw I learned 1.5K words of the 6k core and I have no idea how im supposed to memorize 4x the amount
>tfw Im having trouble remembering all the kana readings of the kanji and nips randomly use the kana and kanji
>tfw I couldve learned japanese if I kept on going a couple of years ago back

>>4542762
>finally find Doki Doki Vacation's CGs
>none of the h-scenes involve ice cream
>that gif is only for cute and nothing more

Darn.

>>4549469
I'm normally pretty OK with VN remake art, but the top is clearly superior here.

>>4549870
this is just badass

>>4560285
What are CGs?

>>4560069
Hitomi also loves her

>>4559138
>>4559247
>>4559318
I was always a bigger fan of Amelia

>>4560631
Or Naga aka Big Boobs

>>4560667

>>4560706

>>4560614
Computer graphics

>>4560595
It's two different characters in two different games, same character artist

>>4540929
>よかろう
あまりやりすぎないようにね

>>4540898
The girl in the goggles looks so happy.

>>4560631
Where are these from, and where can I find the rest?

>>4561293
They're from the PC-98 version of Slayers and the game doesn't go farther than mild nudity.

I love how the clothing in this old style looks a lot more real due all the creases it has

>>4561431
>that ribbon on her ankle

>>4560474
Do they not write?

>>4561381
Is there any place where I can find a lot of CG from that game?

>>4561439
>x75%
>x40%
What's that?

>>4561475
kanji, katakana and hiragana arent technically alphabets

>>4557959
It was the 90s, asses hadn't been invented yet.

>>4561490
Just google "banpresto slayers e-hentai"

Any PC-98 CG set you can imagine is up on that site.

>>4561509
How much bigger it is than the PC-98 CG

>>4542118
Top is infinitely better.

>>4546661
I'd like a rip of the CD version for 2 and 3. They had voice acting.

>>4561191
あんたってどんだけ地味な人なの

>>4540693
Hello, my name is Mianna Günter over here right there! :D

>>4540693
Westside by Vancouver City Hall right there now, eh?!

>>4560285
How to use this catalog?

>>4540898

>>4562278
Better, canonically correct version of your shitty gif.

>>4560285
nice collection, thanks for the link

>>4562248
On the top are the sections, on the left the subsections. Click on the flag to switch the language.

>>4562248
Click on what you want to see.

>>4561587
Whatever they are, they scare me.

>>4562963
Why? Hiragana and Katakana are nothing compared to the Kanji.

>>4563072
Yeah, but you can't learn Japanese without the Kanji, so saying that isn't helpful.
http://japaneseruleof7.com/learn-hiragana/

>>4563131
I mainly want to remove the misconception that Japanese is hard because it uses three different scripts. The kana are your friends. Katakana lets you identify names etc and hiragana adds structure to sentences
Chinese with its single script is scarier.

Why is she so perfect, bros?

>>4563306
>that giant chin

>>4563306
why is she so perfect

>>4563469
>>4563557
Shhhhh

>>4561898
Why are you talking like a 16 year old girl?

>>4563557
Cute! CUTE!

>>4563593
Maybe it is a 16 year old girl?

>>4563637
Or a ~30 year old neckbearded manchild, not sure which one is more likely.

>>4563649
Let's split the difference and go a sad ~30 year old woman.

>>4563151
What's the point? Knowing the much bleaker reality isn't going to convince anybody to pick up Japanese. I concede that it's not the presence of three "alphabets" that are the reason for the difficulty, but one of them certainly is a big factor in it. Japanese is significantly harder (at least from a time-investment standpoint) for an English native to learn than most other major languages in the world because of its kanji (which take easily a couple thousand times as long to learn as the kana syllabaries), because of its totally foreign grammar (as opposed to Chinese, the grammar of which is much closer to English than Japanese is), and because of the 25,000 - 35,000 word (actual # is debated) passive vocabulary you need in order to communicate at a near-native level.

>>4563709
That's just looking for excuses. Have you learned any secondary languages?
Japanese grammar is hardly complicated and 40k words aren't a big deal, especially when you aren't even interested in communicating.

>>4563072
Learning something from a completly different language family is still very scary.

>>4563732
>Have you learned any secondary languages?
ああ、ペラペラで話すのはまだ遠いですが去年の12月の日本語能力試験N2に合格しちゃって、いまでも相変わらず毎日普段の2時間勉強をしたり、未訳の漫画、小説を読んだりしてるよ。だからして、別に言い訳する理由がない、むしろ俺はお前の意見と賛成しないよ。分かりにくいなら自閉症の可能性があるかも。

>>4563768
>自閉症の可能性があるかも
ひどいことを言ってごめんな、ちょっと調子に乗ってしまった

>>4563709
Japanese grammar is trivial. Much more straightforward than English grammar.

Kanji seems daunting at first, but it's really not that bad once you get over the initial shock of having to learn a bunch of characters.

>>4564046
Yeah, >>4563768 and >>4563779 are me, my point was simply that its grammar is more difficult to learn for a native English speaker than the grammar of Mandarin Chinese.

hey /vr/, retard here. how do i into PC98? do i need to learn moonspeak? what are your favorite games for it that don't require translations?

>>4564728
Hey /v/, at least you're self-aware.

>>4564731
Fuck off back to /a/.

>>4564752
He admitted being a retard.

>>4564756
And you're a self-unaware elitist.

>>4564728
Some of the PC-98 games were released on DOS/W95 too, like True Love.
There aren't many PC-98 translations, but their number is growing. From the top of my head, CRW and Macross were translated.

>>4564728
Here are some translations:
http://www.romhacking.net/?page=translations&genre=&platform=3&status=&languageid=12&perpage=20&title=&author=&transsearch=Go

>>4564728
here's a pretty brain dead emulator setup guide as well: https://46okumen.com/pc-98-emulation/

>>4540693

>>4564904

>>4565042

>>4565046

>>4565049

>>4565051

>>4565056

>tfw not waking up in comfy protag room this weekend

>>4565085
Nice Arle poster he got there.

>>4563593
Because this is 4chan, you don't need to talk like a textbook here. It's not my problem that's the only thing you can manage,

>>4565090
If there was a full version of it I would buy it.

>>4563768
>日本語能力試験N2に合格しちゃって

まさか本物のN2くんがいるとは

>>4544871
Are those the original drawings? They lool fucking sweet.

>>4565181
Yes

>>4567121
nice lizard dog

>>4567221
BARK BARK BARK

>>4542118
Why is it that I like the top better

>>4563768
>他人や立場が知らない人にため口を使えないこと
日本語を理解することが出来たのは本当なら、ちゃんと敬語を使えたまえ。

>>4565046
Why post the PC88 version of Cybernetic High-school in a PC98 thread?

>>4568375
damn son.

The games are censored right?, only boobs are shown

>>4568974
Some games before 1991 showed uncensored genitals. It caused a major outcry when the public noticed and forced companies to establish a censorship body and add stuff like mosaic censoring.
Pic related is the game that caused the trouble after a kid was caught shoplifting the game, hence why it's known as the Saori Incident.

>>4568986
I see, then I need to search the others
Thank you

>>4543870
>incomplete swastika
why does this occur so much in animation

>>4569062
It's a classic Buddhist symbol, there is no correct way to draw it.

>>4569085
Sure that's a buddhist symbol on a Germanic style military uniform.

>>4569062
I think it's pretty difficult to draw well on clothes. It's some weird angles you wouldn't see in nature, but you would also notice when it's wrong because the imagery is so strong.

Like in the pic of it was extended to be more proper, then it would clip into the arm band because it's not centered

What is it about PC-98 that makes it so sharp? The art looks detailed somehow. Brightly lit.

>>4569204
Maybe the fact most games use only 16 colors, or that at the end of the 90s grew a consensus among ero artists that hard lines and saturated colors were bad.

>>4569204
Higher resolution and a larger color palette than Western PCs of the time.

EGC (the standard PC-98 graphics mode) is 640x400 and 16/4096 colors. EGA could at best only do 640x350 and 16/64 colors, and in practice most games stuck to 320x200.

I'm not autistic enough to learn Japanese just to play VNs, but sometimes I wish I was. I guess I'll just have to stick to the translated ones like Yu-No.

>>4569542
You ain't missing much, champs.

>>4569204
The 640*400 resolution.

>all those extremely hard to find or just plain lost late 90s / early 2000s VNs
makes me sad. at least it's easy to find full PC98 collections

>>4569810
>all those extremely hard to find or just plain lost late 90s / early 2000s VNs
Any come to mind?

>>4569550
How many have you played that you became such an expert?

Are any of these translated? Id like to do some studies on this phenomenon.

>>4570074
No. A handful have English releases but not for the PC98.
Learning Japanese is the only way.

>>4570086
>No
I mean I get the point that you're trying to get across, there are very few PC-98 fan translations, but saying there is flat out none is downright wrong.
And there are lot's of translations of ports for other systems but they play exactly like the PC-98 games do, same graphics and music and all.

>>4569845
just do a vndb search and try to find a random one

>>4570116
For the games in this thread?
Windows ports rarely have the same music. Graphics are also often filtered or otherwise ruined. Claiming there's lot is a vast overstatement, not to mention that the licensed games were cheap trash.

>>4542524

In an alt PC-98 future, Mega Drive was 32 bit.

>>4570293
asenheim my ninja
It ain't perfect but it exists.
Just saying, it ain't none. And Yu-No still exists, so at least that should be a recommendation.

>>4542524
What is the anime girl playing?

>>4541354
>discord
nobody uses discord. nobody should be forced to use it either. IRC or nothing.

>>4570316
> in an alt future
kek. really? stop smoking drugs, anon. they're damaging your brain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32X
>CPU: 2 × SH-2 32-bit RISC @ 23 MHz

>>4570116
>there are very few PC-98 fan translations
there are hardly any jp to english translations. it's a massive library of software too. the machine had a very long life in .jp. I doubt we'll see anyone working on conversions in the same spirit as what happened on the consoles. just too much software, so little time left in the universe to convert them all.

>>4541354
The DJT thread on /jp/ is pretty shitty. Just people acting extremely elitist and refusing to give any answer to any question that goes beyond "go look it up yourself".

I agree with >>4570484 that IRC is better than Discord.

>>4561182
"Excuse me, miss, but I found your nose that you dropped back there."

>>4570492
You're right that there aren't many right now, but there actually are a number that are underway currently. It's kinda gaining a small but of steam these days if the number of veteran hackers that have been showing up in the PC-98 Discord is anything to go by.

None of them seem to care about VNs though.

My friend goes to japan once in a while. What's a good 98 laptop?

>>4571247
Refer to this list for specs:
http://www.pc-9800.net/db_98/db9821n_index.htm

PC-98 laptops aren't really ideal for gaming, since most of them don't have FM sound hardware, and the ones that do are new enough that you may run into compatibility problems with DOS games (Windows-era video chipsets mostly don't support 640x200 mode, for example).

Anyway, the biggest thing you need to look out for is a model with "86音源互換" FM sound. Looks like the Na*, Nr15+, Nw*, and Nx models have that. A CD-ROM drive is nice to have as well, since a few games make use of CD audio. No need to worry about CPU or RAM, since all of those models have plenty of both.

Bear in mind that you'll also need a 24kHz-compatible monitor, since you're not going to want to play games on a mid-'90s laptop LCD. Looks like the RGB-out connector is a 10-pin mini-DIN, so you'll have to buy or make an adapter to go from that to your display.

I really like old anime and these threads always turn my penis into the big penis
can you recommend me some good games?
also, is the pc98 emulation any good?

>>4571357
The game you just posted
Get the windows version with all the patches

>>4571359
I don't know the name of it

>>4571360
YU-NO: A Girl Who Chants Love at the Bound of this World

Artist here

What's the best PC98 model for drawing? And what art prograns do you recommend for it?

>>4571540
That's a stupid fucking idea. Idiot.

>>4571540
An Amiga is far more preferable for that purpose.

>>4571361
>weeb humor

>>4571540
One running Windows 2000 and an old version of Photoshop.

>>4571540
They all look like beige boxes, draw a X68000 or FM Towns instead.
Use open source software like GIMP or Inkscape.

>>4571562
As beige boxes go, some of them look pretty cool IMO.

>>4571247
PC-9821 Na12. Source: I have two.

>>4571540
Also artist here
Why the fuck do you want to use a PC-98 for drawing?

>>4571357
You posted the best one (YU-NO).

>>4571357
>these threads always turn my penis into the big penis

>>4571361
I find it so bizarre that they throw in a line in Spanish just like that...

>>4571809
Frequently when there's a random English word/sentence thrown in the original Japanese script (which happens pretty often), the translator will translate it into Spanish in the English translation, so that it remains a foreign word. Otherwise it would just blend into the rest of the English script. I dunno if that's what happened here though.

>>4571604
I have a lot of free time and want to experiment. If I'm gonna get a PC98 I might as well use it for more than just 90s anime titty games yknow?

>>4559118
Touhou
Seriously though, the hardware is simply too shit for most types of games

>>4572249
How is a Pentium shit for most games?

>>4572303
It somehow is, fuck off.

>>4572303
1. The system was proprietary so users were stuck with the garbage video card and other under-powered hardware
2. After DOS/V and later windows 95 took off people switched to generic PC hardware anyway

>>4572327
But NEC even offered 3D accelerator cards.
And it's note like you didn't get doujin hardware.

>>4561612
>filename

the same sei shoujo from discipline?

>captcha asked me to identify taxis

>>4572164
I guess, but I still don't get why you'd want to draw with 30 year old software, but hey, more power to you.

>>4571809
t. retarded spic

>>4544309
Try learning another easier language at first then use the experience from that to learn Japanese. Mandarin has caveman-tier grammar (much simpler than most European languages lacking tense, gender, or even plurals) with a very similar sentence structure to English and you can double-dip with the characters to make reading Japanese a cinch.

>>4569204
Languages that use the Roman alphabet can get away with much lower resolutions than languages that use Chinese characters so expensive machines like the PC-98 cranked up the pixel counts so they could be used for business letters and such.

>>4573128
The same thing happened with LCD displays in HD I guess

Was the original art 1st drawn to paper, and then scanned from there, or did the artist work directly with a tablet and some digital paint tool? The level of detail here is astonishing. Especially keeping the period hardware limitations in mind.

>>4573489
It was drawn on paper first (there are examples that have been posted earlier in this thread).

>>4573489
they used both methods. digitizing tablets and pens have been used by artists since the 80s. Some mavericks only need a mouse.

>>4544309
You'll need something like anki if you don't want learning vocab and kanji to take take forever and be frustrating.

>>4565056
why don't you write the title in the file names? this is a board about video games, maybe people want to play the games

>>4572482
Nope, it's just the full japanese name of the Battle Team Lakers games/anime. The game are alright TRPGs with a lewd Sailor Moon vibe. And cow tits.

But it turns out Sei Shoujo has been with Active for a long time. So, if you want old-school Sei Shojou, check the Mahjong Fantasia series or Angel Halo.