/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4511798
That PVM is so nice looking... Want one bad. My Trinitron serves me fine in its own right til that day comes.

What's a good consumer grade 14" set to look out for?

>>4511798
If a monitor is 14", that means that the screen itself is 13" right?

So it's not technically retro but I'm sure most people here use it anyway since the system is backwards compatible and I'm planning on using mine for older games anyway. Is it really worth the hassle of RGB for PS2 over a CRT? If not, what are some good quality component cables that aren't $60+ like the PS3 official cables are?

>>4512003
how exactly is it a hassle?

>>4512003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffiR4E1id-8&#t=21m38s

just depends on whether or not you mind component being slightly worse

>>4512013

Forgive my ignorance but aren't there issues with sync on green through the SCART cables and it not working correctly with SCART switchers? I watched the video on PS2 from MLIG and it seemed like component was just as good from what they were saying without the hassle, and Google results seem to be split down the middle as far as whether component or RGB was the best way to go so I thought I would ask here. Especially since official component cables seem more expensive than good RGB cables. Sorry if it's a dumb question.

I also only have a regular consumer grade CRT so no SCART input yet if that matters.

>>4512016

Thanks for this. The RGB side by side definitely looks a lot better. I guess RGB is better for non-480p? I'm primarily using the PS2 as a PSX machine so I probably won't be getting much 480p anyway, but maybe it's better to just RGB it up and keep the PS2 to interlaced?

Sorry for this, the difficulty for RGB seems to be in PS2 stuff, which is technically not retro per the board rules, but I figured if anyone could clear it up it would be the people in this general.

>>4511987

Yes.

>>4512003

I feel I post this every CRT thread, but the purple monster component cables are pretty damn good. Watch ebay and you should be able to snag a set for $20-30. Very good build quality.

If you have a PVM, check because many will also take component in the same inputs as RGB.

I've been playing PS1 on my PS2 using these and it looks amazing. I've also been watching the dragon box dragon ball z set. You can sometimes tell the animation is made up of photographs of animation cells. Pretty neat.

>>4512062
Not that anon, but is there any difference between the purple and blue Monster component cables? I have the blue ones myself.

>>4512071

err... I guess they are more blue than purple, sorry It's been awhile since I looked at them.

>>4512049
>I also only have a regular consumer grade CRT so no SCART input yet if that matters.

I assume you're from North America? In that case, you should know that RGB capable monitors here do not have SCART inputs. PVMs/BVMs and similar monitors take RGB over BNC.
You can set your PS2 to output RGB over component cables in the menu, so either way you want component cables. This way you will not need a breakout cable, just BNC adapters. For use with a PVM, I have a set that also has a composite lead which I feed into csync. My monitor also takes RGsB but as I recall it didn't play nice with my PS2, so I don't think the PS2 is actually using SoG in that mode.

Reminder to always fall for the meme

>getting an extron crosspoint

Do you think retro-access would let me have their 3d models for their plugs? Planning to make my own cables.

>>4512087
Uhuhuhu what a dumbass

>>4512083
PS2 only outputs SoG when you're playing 480p material.

For SD games i.e all PS1 and the majority of PS2 titles it only does RGBS or YPbPr.

>>4512087
What does he need to get that to work?

>>4512093
>would a commercial enterprise give me commercially sensitive information for the sole purpose of me avoiding buying their product and potentially setting up in competition.

Errr...I think not. Try asking for the lulz though.

>>4512154
They have never had a problem selling out every day. I doubt releasing the 3d printed plugs would change that.

>>4512083

I see what you're saying, thanks for the info about the connections. I was leaning towards RGB but it looks like component is the way to go, especially since I have a few PS2 games that I know I would want to play in 480p. Fortunately the difference between component and pure RGB seems way less than the difference between any other video output, so both SotN and GGAC+ will look more than good enough through the CRT. I'll either find the Monster cables or wait for the HDRV ones that are supposed to come out this month. Thanks for your help.

enjoy some 6th gen

>>4512141
A brain.

>>4512271
Let’s not. Reported.

>>4512003
Actually, RGB and YPbPr for PS2 are near-identical in quality, if not identical.
It's very hard to see differences in quality between RGB an YPbPr for PS2.
It all depends on what kind of cable you use, too bad there aren't any cheap aftermarket YPbPr cables for the PS2/PS3 even with some great options for RGB.
HD Retrovision is gonna put out Component YPbPr cables for the PS2 this March but it's not sure on how much they will be.
They will be cheaper than most of the good options, though. Despite being as well-made as them.
I guess they'll be cheaper than the Super Famicom and Sega Genesis cables they have now since the PS2 cables have no circuitry for transcoding the RGB signal to YPbPr.

Don't believe this RGB > YPbPr for PS2 meme unless you're going to buy cheap cables.

>>4512385
They're gonna need to be cheaper than $50

>>4512396
Then wait for HD Retrovision's cables this March.
Again, I'm not sure about the price but it's probably gonna be cheaper.

Is it bad that i want to build a woodgrain cabinet for my flatscreen trinitron so it looks like a older TV?

The grey/silver does nothing for me.

>>4512454
Sure, go ahead.
That's also what I did.

I also made woodgrain shells for my gcompsw and gscartsw switchers.
Just so it looks more like a finished product and also, I love the whole wooden '70s feel to my woodcarvings.

>>4512260
If you are still interested in getting RGB for use in other consoles and don't have a PVM/BVM there is always the possibility of modding a CRT to accept RGB.
Most CRTs internally use RGB to display their menus or teletext. It is possible to tap into those connectors and effectively replace the OSD menu for a RGB input. There is a thread in the shmups forums regarding the exact steps.

I found this at a flea market a while back.
Is this some sort of pvm? It says tv/monitor on the front. It's kinda small and it doesn't turn on. I don't know if it would be worth it to get it repaired.

>>4512489
No its not a PVM.

>>4512498
Would the image quality on it be any good?
It doesn't look like a regular crt.

>>4512512
it's a tv for cars or caravans. Should have super low tvl.
Color ones are fairly rare.

>>4512489
Studio monitors don't have antennae, so that's a dead giveaway.

Retro access is dead as of late, where can I get reasonably priced US cables?

>>4512087

>>4512260
In a similar thought to what >>4512473 said, there are also rgb to component converters. The retrotek scbv1p3 does a great job and is very well built. The case is 3d printed, but don't let that worry you, it has very good build quality.

Many retro consoles don't output component natively, but going the rgb to component route with this adapter will get you amazing picture quality.

I don't know where you're at in your learning phase, but I think one of the few reasons you'd go component instead of rgb is mainly compatibility with US televisions. Component looks pretty damn amazing, there is a slight difference between the two formats, but unless you're going for a pvm someday, component is an amazing upgrade.

I now have a pvm, but before I did, I went ahead and rgb modded my consoles and used that retrotek adapter on a consumer television. It still looked good, and allowed me to have my consoles all ready for rgb output for when I found a pvm that met my needs.

Where am I best off finding 25+ inch 480p monitors?

Also, why weren't monitor-grade tvs sold at consumer level? Because they would cost too much and no one would buy them?

Are the vertical lines of a TV or monitor reported or do I have to find them out by doing the indian head test

>>4511798
Why the fuck does my TV have ghosting lines all of the sudden?

8 inch pvm, didn't know these small monitors don't have scanlines.

>>4513004
They do, they’re just smaller. Obviously

Moron here.

When you are considering buying a monitor or TV, how do you find out information about it?
Do manufacturers not keep info about all their products?

I'm looking at a SONY PGM-2710, but I'm trying to find a manual or information online and all I've got is manuals on ebay and shit.

Does SONY not keep a database of info on their public products available to the public?

>>4513004
noob

>>4513020
I really couldn't notice any but for sure.

>>4513042
Yeah

>>4513004
>fell for the pvmeme
>fell for the scanline meme
*inhales*
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>4513004
>>4513032
These are the people driving up prices for things they can't even appreciate.

Income inequality is real.

>>4513058
Just because I couldn't notice any scanlines doesn't mean I don't appreciate playing on CRT'S, I fail to see the correlation.

>>4513060
the word appreciate has many defs, anon.
Don't take it personally. I just think you'd save money and be happy with a cheap CRT.
So many people go straight to PVM/BVM without all the knowledge that makes owning a better experience.

>>4513058
Are you talking to me faggot

I'm trying to get a grip on how to properly quantify the quality of this monitor but can't find any fucking info on the piece itself.
And yes I can appreciate it, I've tested the monitor out and can see it's of a higher quality than other CRTs. I'm just not sure if it's worth the price, if I could find another one at a better price, etc.

I want to be able to be like "Ok this is a SONY PGM-2710, it's a 27" BNC 480p X vertical line monitor, I'm willing to pay Y for it"
Instead I'm just bouncing around like a tard.

>>4513063
Not him but cheap CRTs look like garbage. The reason so many fall for pvm hype is they want a screen that's both "authentic" but also doesn't look like a blury mess.

Does someone have the LG ad that describe it's flat tech ? It something like perfect flat tube. I also remember it was for-ants size.
Can't find it anymore and my google fu is weak.

>>4513075
You can make cheap consumer CRTs look great with S-video or RGB-modding. There are also some SD-only consumer sets with component in.
And that's if you're in murika or straya, if you're in yurop, you have scart everywhere.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/AYA-6Ft-6-Feet-Coaxial-HD15-VGA-to-5-BNC-RGBHV-Male-to-Male-Cable-with-Ferrites/265380644?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=10604&adid=22222222227080588492&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=193210317736&wl4=pla-305397054929&wl5=9007594&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=117079826&wl11=online&wl12=265380644&wl13=&veh=sem

I'm looking for a VGA (male) to BNC (male) adapter.

I bought one on Amazon but it didn't work out of the box. I know it was the cable's fault because a different cable worked. (but they wouldn't let me buy it.)

They told me to try Belden cables, and that it needed to be shielded.
Will this walmart cable do?
The cable I bought was about half this price and didn't work. I don't know what ferrites are.

>>4513075
then don't buy sony, because non sony monitors look more authentic and are much cheaper. also the color blending on the shadowmask types more accurately represents what the developers intended the games to look like.

>>4513083
>>4513075

My deal is that I'm looking for a good monitor to play smash and other games on with my wii, in 480p.
So consumer grade shit isn't going to cut it.
EDTVs are prone to lag in my experience, plus they're rare.
Computer monitors are nice, but a bit small. I've got a 20" monitor that looks good. But it likes to black out every now and then when I'm using my Wii on it.

So they only "progressive scan" (or 480p) (or 640x480 whatever) CRTs over 20 inches are going to be these professional grade monitors.

>>4513092
Is that true with all SONY monitors?
Keep in mind I'm doing this specifically for 480p stuff.

>>4513079
The Flatron one?

I've been looking for it myself as it happens. Hope someone here can help us both.

>>4513063
Ah, I see. I already have a 20m2u and it looks great, just went for the 8041q because it was cheap and didn't notice any scanlines. But I've since moved on from consumer sets afyer playing on the 20 inch.

>>4513094
>But it likes to black out every now and then when I'm using my Wii on it.
it's because the wii has a bug in 480p where it periodically sends a 480i frame. You might wanna get a WiiU if only for smash as it still has the multiav out (and hopefuly someone finds a hack/exploit for it).

>Is that true with all SONY monitors?
he's memeing you because he has a sony hateboner.

Off to a great start today, dudes.

>>4513094
>Is that true with all SONY monitors?
if you want the cold, clinical aperture grille look sony had going for em, go for it.

>Keep in mind I'm doing this specifically for 480p stuff.
PC CRT or multiformat monitor. Ikegami, JVC, Panasonic all made top-tier multiformats. Pic is 240p on a Panasonic BT-H1700p

>>4512473

I wouldn't mind doing this but probably something I would do far in the future. There is a guy around the city I live in who does in home CRT repairs and mods and I wouldn't mind asking him if he'd do it either once I get moved in to my new place.

>>4512974

I do plan on either RGB modding my tv or getting a PVM eventually. Apparently my CRT can't display 480p anyway, so maybe RGB into my Shinybow is the better way to go, especially considering how good the PS1 games will look with it. At least I wouldn't have to wait until March for the HD retrovision cables.

So this is my newest acquisition.
The shell has various scratches but the screen is in great condition.
For a 19" it's pretty compact and not too heavy. It's a shadow mask, but it's a "fake" flat screen, so you kinda get a lens effect in corners, but only if you have your face stuck against the screen.

Why does SMB 3 have that cut off on the left? It’s definitley not the TV, but I thought maybe it’s the emulator? On Wii

>>4513142

Forgot pic

>>4512454

I imagine you could do this: https://www.thisoldhouse.com/how-to/how-to-paint-easy-faux-wood-grain

Obviously practice on something else first. This would probably give you the woodgrain plastic look like on atari 2600 or other vintage electronics.

>>4513142
>>4513146
its how the game was programmed. it always looks like that.

>>4513159
This will explain:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfrNnwJrujw

>>4513146

On normal consumer televisions most of that would be cut off or not visible with overscan. If it bothers you, adjust overscan if your tv can do it. It's just how the game is.

>>4513184

Interesting. Well it’s just a 14 inch Trinitron. In the emulator setting sit has a vertical and horizontal crop option that got rid of it.

>>4513107
WiiU has no GCN ports, or it would be perfection.

>>4513214
just get the usb adapter and homebrew it. iirc these are supported in vwii mode homebrew.

>>4513223
I'm not on top of what all is capable with the vwii and the WiiU and the GCN adapter.

Does it work with all Wii games?
Meaning games like brawl, but also Wii VC titles like Smash Bros 64, SM64, etc?
I know it works with Nintendon't.

>>4511798
Okay I just bought a Dell e771p will I have any problems setting it up with a r9 290 I have the adapter for the vga cable. I'm probably gonna use it to emulate up to 7th gen.

I hear that certain CRT have lag. Which one are those.

>>4513267
Anything crt that is HD besides the PVM/BVM series.

>>4512437
Do you have a link to this source or where they will go on sale? Thanks for the tip. I here they make solid products.

What is it about making a crt multiformat that it was only ever a professional technology? Why don't hd crt's have 480i native support?

I'm looking for a 17" PC CRT
mainly for emulation
Sony, Viewsonic or Samsung?

>>4513301
I dunno. Probably expensive. Adds complexity and price to an appliance that most consumers wouldn't even notice the difference in. I had a multiformat PVM for a little while, it took a couple of seconds to change format, and then required a complete geometry reconfiguration once it did, so it was kind of annoying unless you were going to be all 480p all the time.

>>4511798
What Sony model is that? It's kind of giving me a stiffy.

>>4513273

On their site, you can get on a mailing list. Other than that I'm sure someone here will mention it.

I threw out my old crt because it had geometry issues, the corner warped. What's funny was that the tv actually had settings to fix the geometry of the tv and even SECRET options to fix the geometry further, but it always looked like shit no matter how much tinkering I did.

What sucks really bad now is that I got a hacked PS3 that I could load up with every PS1 game, but I've discovered that input lag is fucking terrible with classic games on it for some reason when you play them on a non-CRT display. I don't understand why, but it was super obvious.

I want a new CRT now

>>4513304
Not Samsung. Sony would be ideal, but Viewsonic's no slouch either.

>>4513409
I have a few Viewsonic PC monitors.
They are pretty good quality. They have high hz, one of them goes up to 160 when you're playing at 640x480.

My only issue (and this is with PC monitors in general) is that it's typically hard to find any over 20 or 25 inches. I want a big one so I can play multiplayer games with my pals like Melee and the like at 480p but with CRT lag.

Also, the 20 inch one blacks out every now and then when I'm playing my Wii on it (I'm using a 3rd party vga cable). I've heard it's because the Wii sometimes outputs a 480i frame, but I don't get the blackout problem on the smaller monitors.

>>4513401
Thanks. They even have a podcast.

>>4513004
8 inch screens don't leave much room for blank space between the scanlines. (I assume that's what you mean when you say "don't have scanlines".)

I can assure you that they are there, they're just quite small.

>>4513409
I already have a 15" Sony but it's just not bright enough for BFI
I guess I'll go for Viewsonic

tfw bought a Craigslist PS2 and waiting for component cables in the mail

>>4513423
The visible blank space was what I meant, but yes I understand now. Thanks, anon.

>>4513436
>everyone has cooler monitors than me

JUST

>>4513436
definitely look into freemc boot

>>4513457
they're out there, don't give up hope
snagged a 14" and 19" PVM for a total of $150, and got a 37" Mitsu for free from some college bros that didn't know what they had
>>4513467
yeah son I'm getting one of those SATA network adapters in the mail so I can load games I'm fucking pumped

>>4513495
>20" PVM FOR $150
Why do some call the pvm a meme

>>4513501
Jealousy that they are unable to acquire their own. Probably due to lack of resources or money.

Is a CRT + Emulators the final red pill?

>>4513542
Any PC CRT running at 240p will look sharper than any PVMeme to the point where you want to blur the picture a little so it looks exactly like a PVMeme

Question: Why aren't de-interlace passthroughs a thing?

I would rather have 240p than 480i on my CRT.

>>4513542
CRT
NES
SMB / Duck Hunt
Nothing else
Final destination

>RF
>Monochrome CRT
>Pong
Nothing else matters

>>4513570
Never cared for what they say.

I have VGA and a monitor for my Dreamcast, but what to do for VGA-incompatible games? All of the S-Video cables that I can find are garbage.

>>4513542
I'm pretty sure no emulator can give you the level of lag (or lack thereof) that an NES can.

Could be wrong, but I'm the guy who points out lag when everyone else is like 'ugh shut up'

>>4513542

No, PVM + original consoles modded to output RGB + Flashcarts are the final red pill.

>>4512271
kek got banned for posting this.

>>4513573

Have an updoot kind sir. /leddit/ is that way >>>

>>4513603
you're not going to get any lag on a PC CRT running an NES emulator. You're retarded

>>4513704
It's the emulator that lags, not the monitor I'm concerned about.
Right?
Or have they made the emulator good enough? Everytime I try emulation it lags.
Is there a specific setup I should be doing?

Also I'm not sure 240p is an actual option for most PCs

>>4513704
but that's wrong. all emulators have a small amount of latency, but this is usually OK because it's low enough that you can't feel it. in fact, that's the reason you think there isn't any at all! how wonderful.
https://byuu.org/articles/latency/

please try and read all of this before replying.

>>4512087
Oh fucking hell, stop posting this please.
I made one lousy mistake and you keep bringing it up.

>>4512141
I got it to work pretty quickly once some kind anons explained why it didn't work.

>>4513457
Keep looking friendo
I got mine for 50€ after months of lurking on eBay.

>>4513845
lag is bad even if you don't feel it imo. just because you don't feel it doesn't mean the game doesn't recognize it.

>>4513871

anon, don't show weakness, they feed on it ;)

>>4513583
pls respond

So I want to pick up Skies of Arcadia for the Dreamcast but apparently the NTSC version does not output over RGB. I only have a regular old 480i CRT, so VGA isn't an option for me. Can I just get a Toro and force the 31Hz output to trick the Dreamcast into thinking the signal is VGA while it outputs in RGB? Otherwise I have to get Legends, and nobody wants that.

>rgb cable for saturn finally comes in the mail
>pseudo saturn cart and action replay cart won't work
>nobody sells saturn mod chips

>>4512369
sheesh was that really necessary?

Just got a new ac cable for my speakers today, so I plugged those bitches in, but now whenever they're plugged in, there's a bunch of visual static on the screen. Could it be a problem with my RGB cables or the ac cable I ordered?

>>4514005
Well it's not like I can't live with it.
I just don't understand why it's such a big deal.

>>4514287
aren't the phantom mod chips still around?
https://www.obscuregamers.com/threads/zer0-2k11s-mod-shop.21659/

want

>>4514515
awesome

Finally got around to putting the ripped complete Star Fox 2 rom onto my modded Wii to play on CRT. That game looks incredible in 240p over Component.

>>4514305
Absolutely. 6th gen is not welcome here in any shape or form and cannot be tolerated to any degree.

>>4514515
wait? wtf is that? that doesnt look like scart? what cable is that for? I NEED THAT TRINITRON HAND IT OVER

>>4514551
We’ve found a new meme boys

>>4514551
Sony, in Japan only of course, released a few TVs with that input. It’s the same connector as the PS1’s video output. It does RGB but there is literally no difference from a pvmeme.

>>4514559
fucking sony. leave it to sony jews to make an even more obscure connector than jp21.

>>4514542
>6th gen is not welcome here in any shape or form

Unless it's white and made by sega

>>4514537

>>4513845
I largely agree with you, but you're out of your mind if you think anyone is going to read a manifesto from byuu.
>>4514601
My Dreamcast is black.

Hey, I have a CRT PC monitor, it is the SyncMaster 765MB, it's a late model and it's very nice. Its VGA cable is soldered to it, and there is a problem with it. It's only displaying Green and this is not due to the monitor itself but its cable. It's not a solder joint, it is in the tip of the cable that connects to the PC because if I move it it recovers the blue and red. Is it feasible to cut the tip of the cable and taper it to another cable that I would also cut? I don't want to open the monitor so I'd rather just fix the end of the cable itself.

>>4513079
bump

Hey guys, my favorite retro youtubers just did a video on pvms, can’t wait to pic one up and show you guys. Got a good deal on one now for $400.

>>4514864
Buy another monitor, avoid samsung and lg

>>4515031
H4G is comfy though.

So I bought this thing and I noticed that it dims the picture. Anyone know of a way to fix it?

>>4515312
Throw it in the trash

>>4511798
that is a CRT for ants

I used to work at a computer store where we took in electronics for a provincial recycling program. Got dozens of CRTs every day. I found a Model M keyboard in there one day, and I know if I'd kept my eyes open then I would have found maybe at least a BVM. Missed my shot.

>>4515371
Same shit here anon...My brother and I would strip schools in Detroit of their old tech and chuck it all into the gym. One day we had to fill an entire classroom up with sets because their gym floor was being resurfaced. We were throwing the shitty dell monitors into the room by the end of the day.

How’s my geometry?

£10 Trinitron

Can't believe I fell for the CRT meme.

£150 down the drain for a shitty second rate experience. Luckily a coworker gave me his old 32 inch 1080p TV, added it as a second monitor to my PC and put it in the corner. Just load up any game in existence on my PC, play with my xbone controller, beer on the side, in my beanbag. This is gaming, this is fun.

>>4512003
>what are some good quality component cables that aren't $60+ like the PS3 official cables are?
They are over $60 now? I remember checking a few months ago and they were around $30

>>4515446
>overspent on a meme-display in a region where every CRT has RGB input
>prefers putting filters on games that ran on a console with an LCD display to begin with
what did he mean by this?

>>4515452
You fell for what has got to be the biggest bait post I've seen in my life
He threw in all the basic /v(r)/ triggers

>>4515464
You're right, I'm ashamed. This is what happens when I browse /vr/ absentmindedly at work. How could anyone use a beanbag at their computer desk anyway...

Daily reminder the point of a crt is the fucking delay, and if you think otherwise you're probably gay

>>4515519
Kill yourself retard

>>4513557
They are, see the extron RXi boxes. Only really works if the source was a 240p image scaled up with no bilinear filtering or flicker filter.

>>4515312
Turn up contrast

>>4513079
>>4513103
>>4514948

>>4514436
Didn't know about these. Thanks.

I looked around on the net and found a video. Some bong said that if you loosen the screws that hold the cartridge port on the saturn that it starts reading cartridges again for some reasons. Funny enough, this actually worked. And now my saturn is reading my pseudo saturn cart every time. I've read about that cartridge port being really temperamental before but didn't believe it until it stopped working on me. My saturn is in extremely good condition too. Almost new out of the box.

>>4515557
Had one of those die on its own 2 weeks ago
Never buying LG shit again

>>4515557
oh and I guess it's worth mentioning that I actually own that monitor, the 915FT+, and while it really is a superb monitor it pales in comparison to my lacie electron blue IV 19" in terms of vibrancy and brightness. biggest problem the flatron has is that it has a noticeable dip in the top of the picture but other than that it's a great monitor. I'm curious how a dynaflat looks though.

>>4515568
could happen with any brand and you know it. even fw900s tend to shit the bed sooner than later.

>>4515569
you're getting worse than 20Lcunt with your lacie you know

>>4515608
I don't recall ever talking about it in this general. Get off your fucking high horse and go fuck yourself.

just got a free trinitron kv-1326r

whats your favorite adapter so i can connect rca cables into it so i can actually play some retro games on it?

>>4515735
RF to HDMI

>>4515742
This is the only port on the back, shouldn't it be like VHF to RCA?

I was wondering if there's a go to brand that everyone uses or should I just get any random one off amazon

>>4515783
You need an RF modulator. Easiest/cheapest solution is usually pick up a VCR.

>>4515787
I have one with a matching VHF port on it. Can I use like a regular coaxial cable or do I need a special one?

The VCR has Audio and Video in, but not the full Red/Yellow/White slots so I guess I'll just get mono sound. I think the TV itself only has one speaker on top so I guess it doesn't matter.

>>4515802
Ok I got it all hooked up but something isn't working quite right. This is supposed to be mortal kombat 3

Finally splurged a bit and ordered my dream monitor. It arrived last week and I'm finally able to start playing games on it. Absolutely love it.
inb4
>he fell for the PVM meme

>>4515861
Playing VHS tapes looks normal. But I can't get my snes to work properly. Just an extremely jumbled picture

>>4515872
How much did you pay for it?
It looks like it's in a wonderful condition, better than mine at least.

>>4514591
White privilege

>>4511798
nice microwave

>>4515948
$330. Only paid that much because the place I bought one for $270 from actually LOST my monitor. So they refunded me and I said fuck it and picked up this one.

Arrived in perfect condition. Even has the splash guard still!

>>4515974
Well then I'm not surprised.
I paid 50 for mine but it looks like it's seen better days.
At least it's working great.
Enjoy your PVMeme.

>>4515994
Thanks mate. Enjoy yours as well.

>>4515802
yeah its gonna be mono. any coaxial should work

>>4516003
Thanks, I sure am.

>>4516009
I figured it all out, thanks for the help. It's been probably a decade since I heard that high pitch squeal of a crt

>>4516053
Also I noticed some of the colors bleed, particularly red. Is there any way to fix this or do I need a better crt? This is a kv-1326r

PVM fags, /r/ing opinions on the PVM-20M2U. Can get one for $200 in excellent cosmetic and working condition. Is it a good model? Been using a Wega, but I'm interested in checking out what all the fuss and memes are about.

>>4516307
See just a few posts above my friend. I have the medical version of that model and I love it. Just fantastic. The picture is so vibrant, and the monitor itself is aesthetic as fuck. For $200 but it. If anything you can just flip it for $350 easily.

>>4516329
Beautiful monitor. Are there any differences besides the chassis between the two models? The medical version looks much cooler but I'll take what I can get. Thanks for the rec, will be picking it up on Saturday.

>>4516307

Medical version here too. It's fucking amazing. For $200 you better act quick.

>>4516059
Look up purity and convergence for crt displays. Some guide in the OP probably has info.

I think I'll try to take screencaps from the original Blade Runner. The movie is filled with PVMs. It would be cool to have screencaps and we could all sperg out together and determine the models.

What happened, what went wrong? The "future" had PVMs everywhere... we must have hit a divergent timeline somehow.

>>4516307

I too have the medical variant. It's absolutely fantastic unless you need 480p. Which I do.... One day I'll get a 480p compatible 20inch, but until then I'm fine.

>>4516353
The deal has already been made, picking it up on Saturday.

>>4516441
Shit, anyone else have the medical variant here while we're at it? 480p would be nice but I'll be using my Super Famicom and Famicom on it mostly with the occasional GameCube. Good luck on the pursuit, anon.

>tfw everyone has the sick medical variant besides me

Not gonna lie, I'm jealous.

>>4516347
>Are there any differences besides the chassis between the two models?
Couple differences in regards to some buttons on the front, medical version has slightly different input board, and a different power supply design to be certified for medical usage.

>>4516441
Try finding yourself a nice PC monitor, and perhaps a transcoder to go with it.

>>4516456
I've got the medical variant, and a rebadge of the medical variant.

They're good stuff.

>>4516059
the colour bleed like the PRESS START text there is normal, it's a limitation of the low chroma bandwidth of RF/composite video signals. May be possible to modify the set for RGB in for better quality

what sony is this and is the back pain worth it for free?
dude says its 100hz 32"

>>4516724
HD, absolutely not worth it.

>>4516724

If it's the one I'm thinking, it weighs like 260+lbs. It's nice for HD content (especially if it has hdmi port that works, mine doesn't). It's not so good for retro gaming though. It works, but you'll likely have to enable 4:3 mode for it to not stretch the pixels like hell, which makes the screen pretty small. Also, there might be lag on the hd models when using 240 content. I don't notice enough lag on mine to make it unplayable by any means. It seems like much less than a flat lcd tv for example.

>>4514384
shits funny dude

>>4514384
>I just don't understand why it's such a big deal.
Because people who spend the time/money to get an RGB monitor and join this niche of the hobby without the slightest idea of how to properly hook up RCA cables are sad and hilarious. Especially when all you needed to do was fucking google it. Like you couldn't even be bothered to do a few minutes of research before revealing how utterly incompetent you were.

Coming here and making posts like that is like going to a garage and telling the mechanic you don't understand why your oil pressure light is on, because you've put a quart of oil into your washer fluid tank. I'd like to think that most of this community isn't completely cruel and indifferent, but when it's so apparent that you are both unaware of your ignorance and unwilling to try and help yourself, you can't expect people not to laugh at you.

>>4515654
I've mentioned my 22" EB IV a couple of times before.

Perhaps I triggered anon, poor soul.

>>4515608
>20Lcunt
Does he even come here anymore, or was he memed out of existence?

>>4516954
Haven't seen him around in a long time; probably took off his nametag.

17" Viewsonic or 15" Sony Trinitron?

>>4515468
The beanbag is next to my desk, senpai.

>>4513871
Anon, why did you do this? You could have just ignored the post and nobody would have known who you are. But now you have exposed yourself to us.

I personally just think it's funny that you went ahead and bought a PVM and had no idea how to hook up your composite video leads. It's funny.

>>4516947
I understand your point of view m8.
But I gotta start somewhere, I had a consumer CRT before getting my PVM. But the backside really confused me, I looked it up online and I already knew that I needed adapters to connect my cables, I also figured out by using Google how to calibrate it and whatnot. The one thing I didn't fully understood was the difference between different types of connections, but thanks to the last helpful thread now I'm not that lost.
But at the end of it all you all had a good laugh and I learned something so I guess all is well in the world.

>>4517002
both sound awesome, but 17" will probably be more usable.

>>4517014
I like talking to you guys, and I wasn't gonna buy one just yet, but after seeing them memed on here for so long and seeing one close by and cheap on ebay, I figured it's the perfect opportunity to get into it.

>>4517021
It's all good hombre, some folks will be dicks, some won't. Everyone starts somewhere. I mean, I got a PVM, and am now selling it to someone on reddit because I'd rather use my consumer sets. It's all memes and personal preference, and as with any personal preferences on 4chan, someone will tell you you're wrong.

>>4517027
My CRT was too big and the image quality was very bad, some low grade shit, gave it on eBay for 20€ and got my PVM for 50.
All in all I'm pleased.

And yes I know how 4chan can be.

>>4517016
That's the lesson you should take away here; You will probably learn something, but everyone will also humilate you for it.

>>4513583
GOD DAMMIT WHY DOES NOBODY EVER GIVE ME AN ANSWER DON'T TELL ME I HAVE TO PLAY PLASMA SWORD ON COMPOSITE

>>4517037
God I love this place.

>>4517038
Don't all the new, good VGA boxes have S-video outputs too? Can't you force VGA mode on incompatible games anyway?

>>4517045
I still maintain it's the best place on the internet for raw content. Fucking words and pictures and unfiltered opinions. Every board here is shit, but in that shit is more actual useful content than you'd get from dick-measuring hugboxes like reddit or whatever the kids are into nowadays.

>>4517058
>Don't all the new, good VGA boxes have S-video outputs too?
True.
>Can't you force VGA mode on incompatible games anyway?
Careful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJOoWP5XF5U

>>4517067
Can't really say I tried other places, my brief visits to reddit or other forums was because of Google but otherwise 4chan is the place I rely upon.

>>4517067
amen to this. I recently made a reddit account to sell my PVM after being reddit free for a couple years and jesus christ it's miserable.
>>4517076
Good to know, thanks anon. All my DC stuff is in storage so I haven't had a chance to test anything in ages.

>>4513436
>tfw when owner of BVM-14M4DE and owner of the lonely heart
dunno what's the difference looks the same and has HR trinitron logo

My dudes, I've been playing around with my xbr910 and I thought I'd use my HDMI audio extractor to connect things to the DVI on the tv. So going HDMI to the extractor, then HDMI to DVI cable from the extractor to the tv. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to work; if I pass audio through I get the image and no sound, but when I extract the audio I get the sound but no image. Is the EDID fucking me right now or something?

>>4517552
yeah, does you computer "see" the TV through the DVI port one way but not another?

got lucky a couple days ago and got a 27inch Sony hdcrt,
its an odd model but its great because it's 4/3 and does not have that 100hz bullshit, it does a great job with 240p, so good that im using it over a real 240p tube.

>>4517892
not retro but here is zelda tp at 480p

>>4517552
Probably is an EDID issue, assuming you're running Windows you can override it with CRU

Very sad news, Try of MLIG has passed away.

>>4517917
I'm afraid I'm gonna need sauce on that

>>4517917
what how?

>>4517917
>>4517973
>>4518046
Lies. Deception.

>>4517973
>>4518046
>>4518059
Unfortunately true. His father found his body in his apartment in an apparent accident, police think he was moving his PVM to a high shelf when it fell and struck his head.

>>4518068
Then give me the source of this news.
Links or it didn't happen.

>>4518074
I’m a moderator of their youtube streams and was fairly close with both Try and Coury.

>>4518091
but does your dad work at nintendo

>>4517917

>>4517197
I dug some old photo if anyone is interested in this model. Wii VC in 240p

>>4515872
These old pro monitors come in such handsome cases. If "prosumer" had been coined a decade earlier, there might have been way more demand for them back then.

>>4518860
I know right ? PVM's and other high end proffesional monitors look way better than the bulbous tv's made at the time.
And the glossy or plain black plastic is one of the biggest reasons they looked so bad imo. Compared to that the mate plastic of the PVM's look godly.

>>4518896
>professional
deeply sorry for this shameful display

>>4513501
because there's plenty of options that look better than a PVM that are way cheaper. People who buy PVMs for hundreds of dollars just heard about them from e-celebs on youtube and don't know anything about CRTs

>>4517067
This
Whenever I fuck up, people here will let me know. Every post I see on Reddit is always positive, nobody challenges opinions.

>>4515519
input lag is something only autists worry about

>ADC
>not VGA

Skunked for all time, Apple.

>>4518904
And this...
Fucking richfags who watch YouTube cunts scream into their face every night about their "retro game room" shot like it's fucking MTV Cribs, and how they found most of their games in thrift stores, and flea markets..It's all bought from eBay and we know it. High end monitors are great, yes. But at least find out why for fucks sake.

Mfw chucked all my crts ages ago.

Newer led bl ain't that bad but in the early 10s late 00s it was mostly shit.

4k+ resolutions scale better on modern screens desu

On topic of crts tho could any of them get to 3000x2000+ resolutions?

Surely some nutjobs here have done it and I don't mean dsr

>tfw 4K OLED
>actually prefer CRT filter on it over actual CRT because of perfect geometry, no wiggle or noise, negligible input lag
>only have to worry about burn in but got a hell of a deal so it doesn't matter
I think the CRT era is finally over

>>4518904
>because there's plenty of options that look better than a PVM that are way cheaper.

Either tell me which ones they are or where I can find the pastebin with all the info I need.

>>4518960
I think you’re a colossal faggot.

>>4518960
If we were talking about whisky, you'd be the kind of person who sips it quickly and doesn't pay attention to any detail but the wretched taste from drinking too fast.

>>4518960
I think you're right anon. Can't wait until I can afford one. 8K even better

Which one of you made this?
https://youtu.be/4JiIM2hQ5ls

>>4519039
Cum fee

>>4518987
Just stick to being spoonfed by youtubers. You're part of the meme

>>4519039
https://youtu.be/zAjg81bPxm8

>>4519039
After watching this it really reaches me. retro gaming is a wire hell

So how do PVM’s compare to late model Euro Trinitrons with RGB cables?

>>4518860
>>4518896
Sony had a line of prosumer displays back in the early-mid 80s.

It was called even called Profeel.

>local listings have each CRT marked as “for retro gaming” with exorbitant prices
I want out

>>4519220
Looks like a Thatcherite's flat.

>tfw 2 PVM's now and the itch to get a third

Why am I autistic and feel the need to get every size under 20 inches.

>>4519293

>>4519294
>tfw over 20 PVMs/BVMs and no signs of conquering my addiction

You're small-time anon

>>4519329
I feel much better now. But over 20, how the hell do you have the space?

>>4519336
Well the fifteen 9-inchers tend to cancel out the four 20-inchers, one 27-incher and one 29-incher.

Plus I'm successfully employed and own a family home so plenty of space to devote to my pastimes.

Any recommendations when it comes to big screen CRTs?

>>4519575
Trinitron 36FV310 that doesn't have fucked geometry

>>4518937
Yeah, they would go to that res, but there was little point as the physical dot pitch of the phosphors wasn't high enough. Interesting experiment though, and if you went interlaced you could go even higher.

Some CRT projectors can go way higher than that as well. The real beast ones, that weight like 70kg and require a specialists degree to maintain. The image from a good one makes modern cinemas look like a bad joke though, no fooling.

Funeral services for Try will be held Sunday, his family asks that you donate to the Autism Speaks charity.

>>4519329
I want one but fuckers have spammed every possible pvm location in my area and horded them.

Has anyone ever tried retro games on a projector?
How was it?

>>4518960
The D32E1WU BVM has perfect geometry.

My LG 4K OLED TV is reserved for everything 7th gen and above (except for the Wii) as well as most of my kino.
I do watch some Blu-rays, D-VHS tapes, and DVDs on my BVM while all my LaserDiscs and VHS tapes go to my BVM.

Is component (YPbPr) better or worse than RGB?
Would component modding my SNES be good enough?
I have 2 Trinitrons (consumer TVs) that do component in.

Is there a large difference between RGB and YPbPr?

>>4520218
YPbPr and RGB are functionally identical. Neither is considered better than the other for retro 240p/480i. For the SNES you can use Retrovision's component cables, they take the SNES's RGB output and transcodes it to YPbPr, this is basically ideal for consumer SD CRT setups like yours. You can also buy an external RGB to YPbPr transcoder like a CSY-2100 or an SB-2840 and scart cables for your consoles.

>>4520218
not a large difference, no.

RGB>YPbPr>>>S-video>>>>>>Composite>>>RF

>>4520218

>>4519293
you say that like theres something wrong with not being a stupid asshole?

>>4520241
sheeet you mean if i adjust my brightness and contrast it looks the same. thats too hard for me

Will emulating games on my CRT monitor at 3840x240@120Hz damage or wear it any faster?

>>4520273
maybe.

>>4520279
That's not an answer

>>4520285
It is, just not the one your spoonfed arse was looking for

>>4520273
did you buy the thing to sit on a shelf or to use? USE IT!

>>4520309
It's not something you can easily google you mean ass

>>4520329
If the 3840 pixel-width is for emulation and integer-multiple scaling for old games, then no, it won't really hurt anything more than using it for an intended purpose would. Take SF2 at 384x224. The transistors for the electron guns and others aren't trying to switch 3840 times per line, the pixels are in groups (here, of 10) so even if the ~120MHz bandwidth (pixel clock) exceeds the CRT's nominal specs (as it would for a consumer CRT) it really doesn't/you won't notice any smear or vertical banding. (I'm not 100% on which of those two options it is, but i think the former.)

As an example of what not to do, if you exceed the bandwidth of a set that will let you, then an image full of vertical black and white stripes produces sort of grey mush, as i understand it. You lose horizontal detail because the transistors (for the guns?) don't have time to go into or come fully out of saturation.

>>4520385
Whether that last will actually hurt the set... i'd guess not, but am not totally sure.

If it wasn't clear, all this still assumes your horizontal scan rate remains within whichever CRT's spec.

>>4520385
>>4520386
What about the refresh rate?

>>4520393
well, does 120Hz vertical scan rate exceed any listed spec for the CRT in question? What are its listed resolutions and scan rates?

>>4511798
So I got a PVM 1454QM like a month ago, haven't gotten around to get the cables for my systems yet, but I've seen it in working condition at the guy's place I bought it from.
Anyone know of any good standard tv furniture to get this thing set up on? Also reliable placed to get the proper cables for any retro systems?

>>4519329
Give some of them to the rest of us. It would be charitable. Help the retro community to thrive, anon.

>>4520678
There's a guy here selling a shitload of 9inch PVM's for 15 bucks each. he had like 16 left last i checked.

>>4520678
I may live in Nottingham but I ain't no Robin Hood. Find your own.

>>4520683
Mine were similar price but are multiformat BVMs. I found someone decommissioning an OB truck and snapped 'em up.

>>4520756
I'm really fucking tempted to buy em all, but i have a 14inch, and no idea what i'd even do with all these 9inches

What's the objectively best CRT available?

>>4520863
Depends on the application.

Hint: Under no circumstances is it the Sony GDM-FW900.

>4520868
(ツ)

>>4520863
There is no objectively beat you retarded faggot.

>>4520872
Wassup?

Get burned buying one?

>>4520879
5€

>>4520885
Oh well you'll know all about how much of a jack-of-all-trades it is then.

Your G2 crapped out yet?

>>4520901
nope, and I have the 1€ fix ready to go, just need a bit of time to do the tests and adjustmens.

>>4520901
>jack-of-all-trades
it's the only widescreen PC crt monitor (barring the carmack monitor, gl finding it).
That automatically makes it the best in that category

>>4520863
Eizo F980

>>4520913
Who needs a wide-screen monitor for retro games? You'll end up having a 4:3 area equivalent to a 19" for most content, with attendant risk of screen burn.

Meme monitor.

>>4520928
some pc games have WS modes (even old ones), or have hacks/ports with WS options.

I still need to play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. on that thing

>>4520932
>some
Exactly. I rest my case.

>>4520937
you must be fun at parties.
fun to laugh at.

>>4511827
if you ditch that standard av cable for a component/s-video, you just might rethink that PVM need.

>>4521043
I doubt it somehow.

The geometry and convergence controls alone on OP's BVM make a massive difference to the quality of image it is possible to achieve. A consumer set (or a PVM for that matter) doesn't come close.

>>4520913
>it's the only widescreen PC crt monitor (barring the carmack monitor, gl finding it).
I mean, if you ignore the FW900's predecessor, the W900, sure.

Any upside from going from a PVM to a BVM? Really happy with the picture quality from RGB on the PVM but wondering if it's worth upgrading.

>>4521298
>W900
have some pics or info ?
cause
"W900" gives me trucks
"W900 sony" gives me phones.

>>4521340
Not him but Sonys VGA monitors are divided into 2 series:
CPD (cheaper, i think it means ComPuter Display)
GDM (stands for Graphical Design Monitor)
Also this counts for rebranded monitors made by Sony.

What you need to search for is GDM-W900

>>4521361
There are also the HMD series,

Not many use that prefix, but it seems to have been intended for use with their VAIO desktops; My best guess would be "Home Media Display".

CPD, I suspect, stands for Color Professional Display or similar.

There's also the GVM, Graphical Video Monitor, and the DDM, Data Display Monitor. Neither of those are really intended for home PC usage or what have you though.

>>4521797

>>4521801

>>4521806

>>4520602
Old tv stands from thrift stores. I'm planning on building a custom stand.

>>4520231
>retrovision's component cables
Wait, you mean to say that the SNES already outputs RGB through the AV port?
That's nuts, didn't realize.

Also, does this RGB to Component conversion cause any delay?

>>4521945
All of the original design SNES models do RGB natively, no need for a mod, although there are things you can do with most models to get it to look a little nicer. The SNES Mini does need modification that can just be wires and resistors for the simplest method.

Practically no delay.

>>4521972

I'll add that with the "mini/jr/101" voultar makes a pretty damn good mod board. It's dead easy to solder in and seems to work very good. It makes the jr model output rgb and s-video too. IIRC it's around $30. I went that route since I've heard some snes have a few issues, fixable, but I just wanted something dead easy that wasn't yellowed. I know there are SNES that aren't yellowed, but the ones I've seen around me look terrible.

I picked up a TCL T-34002 14in CRT. Pic not related as I coudln't find the exact model. What kind of reputation do these small TCLs have? I also have a lot of shit and would like to consolidate it by moving to an Xbox One instead of both a 360 and an original, and a VGA to component adapter to use the CRT with a Powermac G3. Does such a thing exist and does the conversion usually go well?

>>4522030
It's a generic cheapo chinese model.

I don't know of a way to make a G3 give 15kHz VGA out, so just a VGA to component transcoder wouldn't work unless it's an HD CRT. Would you be using it for emulators, or for mac games?

Would you be using it for any retro consoles?

>>4521801
Gimme dem 25Ps

>>4522130
Yeah I have a PS2 hooked up to it, might play around with a PS1. Gives me light gun functionality back and PS1 240p over Component. Original Xbox doesn't because the current softmod installed put it into RGB mode and not Yb Pb Cbr. Apparently I can put a file on the hard drive to put it back into that mode, though.
The Powermac will be running Mac games.

>>4520929
Is this one of those inexplicably sexy vector monitors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-F7ZySfgZ0

Makes my penis fucking hard

>>4523058
just a plain old IBM 5151. I thought this glitch/wobble effect that appears when switching screen modes looked kinda neat, however webm encoding turned it into a blurry mess.

those tektronik machines use a storage tube, a different beast entirely.

>>4513436
Darkwatch
Ayyy my boi

>>4518904
>because there's plenty of options that look better than a PVM that are way cheaper.

I would like to know about this.

>>4522139
For Mac games I'd recommend picking up a standard VGA computer monitor.

>>4515557
LG trash

>>4524226
There isnt anything, poorfags just like to delude themselves into thinking their shitty consumer crt looks better than a 1000 line bvm.

>Get electro magnetic field reader because I need one for testing out EMF/radiation levels around powerlines for job
>Decide to use it at home to see what sets it off
>BVM goes up to 0.50 if I get REALLY close to it
>PVM however makes it go bonkers if I get within a foot of the screen reading into the 20.00 range sometimes
>Dell IPS monitor & PS3 also within 0.50 range if you get too close

So...do I throw out the PVM? I feel like this thing might literally give me cancer. Is it possible for something to have broken on the inside somewhere causing this?

>>4525021
>So...do I throw out the PVM? I feel like this thing might literally give me cancer.
You're more likely to be irradiated by eating too many bananas than you are a normal CRT.

Try testing it near a consumer set, and see what sort of reading that gives off. I'm curious.

>>4525021
>Pvms start slowing killing off ecelebs and Redditfags

>>4525026

I don't have a consumer set anymore, but I do have a much smaller 13 inch PVM in the basement I can hook up to see if it gives similar readings.

Results

BVM-D24-E1WU: 0.50
23 inch PVM: 20.00 range
13 inch PVM: FORTY something

Now keep in mind this is all from pointing the EMF reader at each screen from just a few inches away, but that's alarming. However the EMF detector reads 0.0 once i'm 2 feet away from either pvm screen, so I guess the lesson here if you want to play on a PVM, play no closer than 2 feet from the screen.

I'd also like to point out I have no idea how safe any of those numbers are. I just have this thing in my jacket pocket to alarm me when I'm too close to a power line. I doubt both my PVMs are faulty & leaking radiation, & the meter only reads EMF from both when they're on, so it should be fine. Going to look up if either of these readings are normal either way.

>>4524219
aayyyyyyy

>>4525041

>Even if the seal is intact, microwaves as well as other appliances expose you to EMFs. EMFs are measured in milliGauss (mG). The Environmental Protection Agency recommends that you limit your exposure to 0.5 mG to 2.5 mG. When you are three feet away from a microwave, you are exposed to up to 25 mG.

Really makes me Hmm.

welp guise it was fun
time to throw all your Professional Cancer boxes into the trash

>>4521125
>geometry
>convergence

nigga, you're playing through the most basic means possible, and i'm sure you're having fun regardless... why the fuck do you care about such calibrations if you don't even apply it (within possibilities) to your current setup? You're just trying to bring techicalities of a professional monitor to a consumer set, which does not need such things.

I doubt you'll have your experience ruined, or even bother about your image with a good component cable, calibrated CRT (you can even do your point east or whatever thing) when you're playing ~3m away from it in a comfortable couch/seat/bed. I swear, people get so caught up on zoomed as fuck pictures on the internet, that they forget that these images are constantly moving, and your face is not stuck to the screen.

Look dude, i understand the whole BVM/PVM thing, but just remember not to seek something so absurd (and pricy) that you won't even notice all of it's "glory" most of the time. Unless you're ultrasounding a baby, It's like playing snes midi on a surround sound sytem.

>>4525073
>It's like playing snes midi on a surround sound sytem.
(ツ)

>>4521298
There's also a Hitachi wide-screen CRT monitor around the same size. I saw it in person, but couldn't get it because I didn't have enough money left in my wallet after buying their PVMs. It wasn't a rebadged fw900, but it may have been a rebadged w900.

If only modern displays didn't make everything blurry as fuck while in motion
I could even tolerate the shit tier contrast

>>4525041
>>4525021
Does that mean that anyone who ever used a CRT monitor is gonna get cancer?
You don't use those 2 feet away

>>4525209

Maybe, who knows. Like I said, it reads zero when I'm 2 feet away, so any further than 2 feet is probably perfectly safe. Just be aware these things do give off something. I thought it might have just been the degauss magnets in the tubes setting things off, but when the CRTs are completely off is still reads zero. So magnets probably have nothing to do with it. what scares me right now if my sink fixtures are reading a 5.0 mG. I'm guessing that's from lead buildup over the years somewhere in the pipes, but if it's not then I've got a real mystery on my hands.

>>4525021

Anon, I'll pay shipping to take it off your hands. I'm a certified radiation reduction technician so I'll be sure and make it safe.

>>4525236
>Shipping a CRT in the mail

I've seen enough busted up PVMs busted up in the mail to know that's a horrible idea. Why not just find a consumer model & mod it yourself?

>>4525239
I've seen enough CRTs shipped perfectly safely on pallets to know that it can be done very easily if you apply some thought and care to the issue at hand.

>people were smarter than you and are selling CRTs for almost free because they knew about the dangers of banana tier radiation
I feel so retarded now

>>4525239
>>4525242
I've shipped enough perfectly in good cardboard boxes with plenty of adequate padding to know if the shipper knows what they're doing, there won't be a problem.

>>4525267
>if the shipper knows what they're doing
you always assume they don't for crt.

>>4525276
try contacting them first or not buying from ebay

>>4525254
>tfw you get radiation poisoning from eating more than 1 banana at a time

Why didn't I listen to /vr/?

>>4525267
It is always better to ship on a pallet for anything over 20". Always.

Have you ever seen the mess a 40kg BVM does to the "adequately padded" cardboard box it's housed within when it slips and falls even 6 inches?

>>4525239

I already have a 20" medical PVM, was shipped in the mail and arrived perfectly. The key is to double box it and use styrofoam spacers to keep the inner box away from the outer box, then fill the rest with packing peanuts. Cover the glass with foam and wrap the monitor in bubble wrap or something like carpet padding.

I sure would take a pvm for cost of shipping, but it was mainly said in jest.

>>4525305
>Have you ever seen the mess a 40kg BVM does to the "adequately padded" cardboard box it's housed within when it slips and falls even 6 inches?
nope, because my packaging is better than what you've dealt with.

>>4516954
>>4516958
I do wonder whatever happened to him. I think he was younger, so maybe he lost interest in CRT fetishism.

Darkwatch poster again -
My component cables arrived!
Along with a really cute PVM 8045Q

I put it on underscan so it's easier to see. How fucked up is my geometry? Ive been fucking with settings in the service menu but nothing is working. Could there be something messed up that can't be fixed with any service menu? Could recapping help?

>>4525451
i hope you get banned like i did when i posted gta vice city.

>>4525523
nothing terribly wrong with it. turn off underscan and use the cross hatch pattern.

>>4525305
i've shipped over a dozen 20m4u's and they all reached their destination perfectly fine. All you need are some foam blocks, bubblewrap, and two large boxes. Your tv goes padded and such in one box then gets put into a larger box with even more padding and or packing peanuts.

no brainer really

>>4525549
Cross hatch pattern?
Here's another picture with overscan off. The tops are kind of fucked up. There's also a gopd amount of distortion only when the screen is moving. Someone said to adjust pin amp but that didnt really help.

>>4525235
>>4525041
All CRT televisions and CRT monitors have a high electromagnetic field. However as you may already know this drops considerably with distance. Basically play as far as you can from it or if you can completely out of the field.

>>4525540
I won't, but thanks ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>4525021
>>4525041
What units are you using?

>>4525623
what kind of distortion? What are you running exactly? That tiny amount of geometry issue you're seeing there is pretty normal.

>>4525523
Use the grid pattern. What you've got there looks like normal horizontal bending from imperfect HV regulation on brighter/darker lines.

>>4525337
>>4525342
>>4525564
I'm just wondering why you would go to all that trouble when you could simply strap it down securely to a pallet and pretty much guarantee it's safe arrival.

Cheaper to ship heavy stuff that way too.

>>4525935
Might be kinda hard to see with the shitty camera quality. Whenever something scrolls there's some distortion.

>>4525985
how are you running the 240p test suite? What system are you using?

>>4526013
everdrive on a snes.

>>4520218
Pretty much the same.

>>4520863
The D32E1WU BVM.

>>4526026
>D32E1WU
worse dot pitch than the d24.

>>4525978
it's not too much trouble the box just fits through my front door and the UPS store is only a few blocks away. I don't recall but i believe shipping was only ~150 but it didn't matter since the buyer would always pay shipping

>>4525623
>>4525523
>240p Test Suite Open
>"How's my geometry"
>Two posts in, still no grid pattern or linearity

>>4515404
That looks very good, especially for a flat trinitron

>>4525021
ITT: emf is now nuclear radiation

>>4525523

Every CRT I’ve owned has had some sort of small distortion on the edges. I don’t think it’s fixable and just the nature of the screens.

That looks very good to me but I understand the frustration once you notice it that’s all you see.

>>4526650

Also sometimes I found adjusting the contrast and brightness can improve it somewhat.

>>4525021
>>4525026
>>4525036
>>4525209

You guys need to realise there's a world of difference between ionising and non-ionising radiation in terms of energy levels. Only the ionising kind causes banana cancer, and no meta-studies have shown otherwise. And there's a world of difference again in terms of energy between high-frequency EMF radiation and low-frequency EMF radiation like the 50/60Hz fields around power lines. At ~60Hz refresh this will be what the meter is reading from the PVM, and it's probably off by a factor of ten anyway as anon >>4525930 notes because the US uses milligauss not microtesla like human beings do.

This ignores electric fields of course, but those are almost certainly harmless as well.

TL;DR I wouldn't sweat it.

>The current state of LCD technology
>Still no screen that can do clear motion like a CRT can
>Not even OLED fixed this

This is the future people choose now keep buying your 8K meme screen goy

>>4526725
for oled to worke you need black frame/line insertion.
which is really just reinventing the raster beam refresh, kinda ironic.

>>4526783
OLED is already having problems with brightness levels
BFI is just gonna make everything look like shit compared to even a cheap composite only CRT

>>4526365
my bad
the warping during movement is really what bothers me the most

>>4526861
Looks almost perfect, you might be nitpicking.

>>4526861
>>4526869
Agreed.
Leave it like that. Mines worse than yours and I'm pleased with it (after messing with the geometry settings for a week I gave up and accepted my fate)

>>4526869
>>4526890
I'm fine with the still image, it's just the warping during scrolling that's really noticeable. Does that not have anything to do with the geometry? Is there something else I need to do to fix it?

>>4526904
You're the guy from the last thread right?
I'm sorry, I can't really help you with that.
I don't know much besides calibration settings, there are other anons here who most likely can pinpoint the issue, if not you could try other forums.
Best of luck to you anon.

>>4526915
Yeah, I gotta do some heavy googling and fucking around to fix this.

>>4526925
I could try having a look as well.
No promises.

>>4526931
already posted a gif here
>>4525985

>>4525698
Let’s see about that! Reported.

>>4526861
posting linearity cause why the fuck not
maybe having flash on will help

>>4527182
The corner circles are somewhat egg-shaped which points to a mild linearity issue at the extreme top and bottom edges. Side-to-side looks fine to me.

What make and model set is this? So I can point out any applicable geometry adjustments available.

It just bought this

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Retropie-Raspberry-Pi-3-Mini-Retro-Games-Console-Choice-Of-Case-NES-SNES-GB-etc/282798123114?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Did I do well?

>>4527303
I hope this is bait

>>4527308
It's not. Why?

>>4527346
Because it has no place in this thread.

That's why.

>>4527376
Well this was the closest thread I could find, I did not think it was worth a thread for itself. Did I do well though?

>>4525021
>electromagnetic radiation causes cancer

american education

>>4527393
You could have put together that package for well under 1/2 the asking price so no, you did not.

>>4527408
Yeah but I am computer illiterate and I really did not fancy doing it. I tried emulating on my PC and I could only get zsnes to work, everything else was confusing as fuck and to time consuming.

>>4527417
Hey its ok, the seller profited from your dumb ass and you got a stupid proof emulation machine, you should be proud, its the extent of what you can do.

>>4527436
Thanks man! :D

Cute

>>4527303
And what does this have to do with CRTs you retarded faggot?

>>4527605
Well if he wasn't such a retarded faggot he could output 240p via composite to a CRT I guess.

That's really reaching though seeing as he can't even manage to put together a literal Lego system and load it with a pre-made image, saving himself many potatobucks in the process.

uuh, i need a new tv.

>>4527417
>Incapable of emulating the simplest of /vr/ systems
Anon, I think he's beyond our help.

There also about 5 other threads in the forum relating to emulation, in absolutely no way is this the "closest thread".

>>4527786
Looks good to me, hombre.

>>4527248
PVM-20M2MDU
i've been trying to adjust v linearity in the service menu, or will I have to open this fucker up and manually adjust it?

>>4528252
Can you take a picture of all the geometry adjustments available to you. Can't find what I_m looking for in the service manual.

V-LIN is best adjusted while running the vertically scrolling grid in 240p Test Suite rather than using a static image btw.

>>4528367
http://neohyphengeo.com/PVM20M2MDU_SM_SONY_EN.pdf

Page 21 shows everything in the service menu.

>>4525090
Yep, now you really showed me! I should use a high quality surround system for analog midi sound that'll be split into stereo and mono throughout 5 speakers! I'm sure it will be an enhanced experience compared to a midi track coming from 2 silly speakers, i mean, think of the nuances i missed all this time!

You get the previous analogy, buddy, but if being a smartass gives you reassurance, go for it. This is my final post on this exchange. Enjoy your handful of "dolby surround" snes titles on the costy, dedicated apparatus.

>>4527929
the screen isn't off center and the contrast isn't too dark?

Does anyone i America still Service PVMs? Mind looks to be on it's last leg & I wouldn't mind shelling out $100 for someone to fix it up.

My main issue is what I want to call "scanline uniformity". For some reason scanlines never showup in the middle of the screen, but they do show up along the edges of the CRT. It's just the very middle where solid white colors blur together, Hard to explain but that's the gist of it. Also it seems like it's darker than when I first got it, so maybe the caps are about to die or something.

>>4528380
page 35 of the pdf or 5-4 of the manual is the regular geometry adjustments

>>4528404
Probably needs capacitor replacement. Don't know where you'd go to get someone to do it for you.

>>4528404
I imagine $100 might cover an initial analysis and quote but not much more.

Full cap replacement by a technician will likely run to many hundreds.

>>4528636
not him but how the fuck do i learn to recap my own shit

>>4528713
It's pretty easy. Remove capacitor, read the label on the side, order one that matches, stick it in. Repeat until bored.

>>4528726
Do I need to know any soldering?

>>4528740
Yes. They're big through hole parts so cheap equipment and noob skills are sufficient.