/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4530752
jrpg

>>4530752
FPS

>>4530760
FPS has more complex design than most games at all. Shoo, console peasant.

>>4530762
>rooty tooty point and shooty
>complex
hilarious

>>4530754
Just use an emulator and fast forward through battles bro.

Another great thread.

>>4530752
>Beat 'em up and shmup
Fixed the thread for you.

Both bmups and shmups are very derivative and repetitive for anyone who isn't a "competitive" player going for 1cc or hi-score. For the average player who doesn't care about "routing", "patterns" and "scoring systems" these games are extremely similar and there's only one or two games in either genre worth playing before you realize how similar and monotonous they are.

Run'n'guns are much more diverse and varied, with way more design space than bmups and shmups. Ghouls & Ghosts, Gunstar Heroes and Contra are nothing alike, and less monotonous than virtually any bmup or shmup by the virtue of having more varied enemy and stage design

>inb4 "where are your 1cc's and hi-scores?!"

>>4530760
super brainlet

>>4530851
back to your containment general doombabby, your genre a shit

>>4530854
duel me in ql

>>4530752
dating sims

Penn Jilette is a dickhead.

>>4530752
whatever those shitty games that Koreans and fat yanks play "competetively" are called, that is literally the diarrhea dogshit

>>4530752
Literally all of them, objectively speaking.

>>4530832
The same is true for musical instruments, for the unintelligent anti learning meat skull spastic cunt blowing the same note like a retard is the same over and over but to the more accomplished person they are gifted with the wealth of depth and knowledge that presents itself when one commits.

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Any genre can die out or even mediums. Anyway modern Fps are boring.

At least Doom and quake are interesting.

>>4530832
>scrubs who want to brute force them instead of play them properly don't like them and they all seem the same if you go at them with the wrong approach
woah

>>4530752
>he forgot shmups
every shmup is the same and you know it

>>4531124
so why does getting good at one not make you good at the others then?

>>4531124
Gradius is not the same as Touhou.

But yeah, most are the same.

Take your shitposting to /v/ where it belongs

>>4531156
Memorization. Shmups are an exercise in memorization and little else.

Most people that don't like beat-em-ups don't try to 1cc them.

Of course Final Fight seems boring when you don't try to learn enemy patterns and just credit feed your way to the end.

>>4531183
If that were true then you would be able to 1cc any shmup after carefully watching a youtube video which you can't.

>>4531190
Who says I can't? Name one difficult shit'emup i'll beat it and post here.

>>4531193
Gradius 3 arcade, spin around in a circle 3 times in the first level and use GAY as your initials

>>4531124
t. literally everyone who plays for survival instead of score and thinks his opinion is worth a damn

>>4531198

>>4531185
This.

The way I see it, a game is a good-natured competition between two parties. Sometimes something can be substituted for another human as the other party, like an AI or enemy formation. However, credit feeding removes the competition, thereby turning it into a "video exercise" rather than a game. You can tell yourself "oh I'm going to feed but I'll play honestly and really try" but inevitably will wind up brute forcing at least to some degree because if your goal is to get through the stage, then of course you will use the most efficient method for as little effort and will never improve or notice the finer details. Why should I master all of the available commands and use all of the items laid out in The Punisher when I can just do my basic combo, die, basic combo, die, etc. as many times as I want?

>>4531207
Good job, now you just have to do the other 95% of the game

>>4531217

>>4530816
jrpgs are still far worse than run and gun or beat em up

>>4531185
final fight is fucking boring when you try and go through the game perfectly too, it slows down to a crawl and becomes fucking tedious trying not to die, bad game design/10

>>4531228
Spotted the dudebro.

>>4531228
>it slows down to a crawl and becomes fucking tedious trying not to die
Untrue. Final Fight is still pretty frantic even when you limit enemy spawns.

There are points where the game doesn't hesitate to throw 10 enemies at you. And given how the AI works, you have to fight them intelligently, because there are a number of different attack patterns each enemy can perform on you. Success in Final Fight means thinking on your feet as well.

>>4531228
https://youtu.be/ulCvAZsNDk4?t=2313
Yes look at how slow this guy's going! Truly a 0/10!

>>4531224

>>4531257
>took 16 minutes
Savestating starting to get a bit tricky, eh?

>>4531257
Tools. Cheats. Save states.

>>4530824
At least it hasn't been corrupted into a /pol/ thread like the thread whining about game prices. It's a shit thread, but at least it's a semi-/vr/ shit thread.

>>4531260
>>4531262
>it's impossible for someone to have played gradius 3 before
maybe choose something more obscure than fuckin gradius next time

>>4531260
>>4531262
Had to pause to take change my niece movie thing. But anyway the game is easy as fuck I don't know what you guys keep complaining about, moai stage right now.

>>4531265
Record an .inp file or video, otherwise it's useless even without the suspicious behaviour such as posting screenshots casually while playing and taking way too long to beat a level despite not dying.

If you notice, the reason why I'm taking so long is because I'm timing out every boss (I find it easier this way)

>>4531268
Adjust the difficulty to highest.

>>4531269
Nope. Gonna play on my terms.

>>4531274
Ah faking it. Dismissed.

>>4531274
Waste of time since you can cheat in literally any way from save states to invincibility
>>4531271
Timing it out doesn't account for the extra time spent in the third level sorry to say

>>4531272
Nah. I'm not resetting now, fuck you.

>>4531282
The extra time was because I had to pause it, my niece called

>>4531287
Then you're not playing on the true difficulty. So fuck you.

easy breezy I beat the gme

>>4531304
0/10, didn't even have the patience to finish the post chain

>>4530816
I already do bro. I can enjoy jrpgs for a few hours but even at 1000% speed they are still boring a f. Plus I have ocd so they are impossible.

>>4531331
That's not ocd. That's adhd.

>>4531303
gradius 3's higher difficulties just increases the rank, which doesn't matter because the first loop has a rank limit that caps out around the moai stage

>>4531309
The thing is Arcade games are fucking trash

>>4531335
I have both. ocd to 100% collect all items, weapons, endings. and adhd because I give up half way through.

>>4531357
Arcade games are the best. Modern games are super easy.

Now go play your modern ludonarrative dissonance games.

>>4531274
cheater confirmed lol

>>4531357
Doesn't mean much when coming from a guy who was too dumb to figure out how to backflip.

>>4531365
True ocd is seeing things you don't want to see. Like germs or Jesus stuff or fat ugly pammy jones touching you in mental images. So you go back and do it over again the right way to clean the images. Or quit.

You have hoarders mentality.

>>4531382
yep im also a hoarder. I also have major depression are you a psychologist? I literally have to start games over if I miss any item and have to read gamefaq guides just to find everything.

>>4530752
trading cards games

>>4530752
I managed to make it to the end of this thread with no one mentioning racing games

Good job guys

rogue likes. whatever pokemon stadium is.

>>4530832
Ghouls and Ghosts is more of a platformer than a run and gun. Most of the weapons are useless anyway.

>>4531789
racing games aren't even popular. they only make up 5% of the market, which is about on par with fighting games.

>>4531395
I learned you have to let go of things. Shake your head and say no no mentally. Or go on ocd pills. You'll see better results later years later.

Guys, stop biting these shitty baits. It's like the only way these arcade games get discussed here is by responding to trolls. Just let it go, it's not a personal attack.

>>4531789
I really like arcade racing games.

>>4532216
you mean gas em ups?

>>4532223
they're called seatbelt scrollers

>>4530880
I think OP is talking about games, anon.
>>4530768
Complexity comes from both player input and the game's design. Arcade games have easy to understand inputs most of the time (they have to be pick up and play by design) and thus their complexity comes from their challenging game design.
>>4530832
>Fighting games are bad because player button mashes randomly
>FPS are bad because the average player barely moves and can't aim
>Platformers are bad because the average player emulating them savescums
>RPGs are bad because the average player grinds to death to remove any possible strategy it might have
>Adventure games are bad because the average player looks up guides and never has to solve a logical puzzle by himself.
Nice argument, anon. Bait harder next time.
>>4531183
Memorization alone won't do shit and you'd know this if you had actually played them.
>>4531185
No matter how many times we tell them this they'll still come back to troll. Some people just don't truly enjoy game mechanics or challenge.
>>4531193
>Name one difficult shit'emup
The ignorance is too strong to contain. Anyway, Ketsui's Ura loop. Good luck, anon. See you in a few years. Enjoy your save state runs, anon.
>>4531209
>You can tell yourself "oh I'm going to feed but I'll play honestly and really try" but inevitably will wind up brute forcing at least to some degree because if your goal is to get through the stage, then of course you will use the most efficient method for as little effort and will never improve or notice the finer details. Why should I master all of the available commands and use all of the items laid out in The Punisher when I can just do my basic combo, die, basic combo, die, etc. as many times as I want?
Yep, this is why I have doubts when I suggest credit feeding while actually trying and then try to beat the game with less coins each time, if you don't feel the actual tension of losing the run it's harder to improve and play at your best.
Cont.

Cont. from >>4533023
>>4531335
It's neither, it's just recognizing when something is not sufficiently stimulating to you. Basic human nature, we get bored so we do stuff that will challenge us or is productive.
>>4531357
Sup /v/, did you know that your 2012's top 100 games has zero arcade games on the list? You're not special by having that opinion.
>>4532223
Carlers, anon.

>>4533023
you couldn't let a shit thread die, could you? You just had to reply to all the bait like the autist you are